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@HnS
If it hadn't been for the light show, I would have missed the start as I misunderstood the start time shown on the good old BBC (may be age related, of course lol).
However, what I failed to grasp was the significance of the 'stand-off' in the tunnel where neither team seemed prepared to be the first out on the ground
Anyone care to enlighten me?
If it hadn't been for the light show, I would have missed the start as I misunderstood the start time shown on the good old BBC (may be age related, of course lol).
However, what I failed to grasp was the significance of the 'stand-off' in the tunnel where neither team seemed prepared to be the first out on the ground
Anyone care to enlighten me?
Quote by Max777
@dean
and PIE? Hariett Harman, Jack Dromey, Patricia Hewitt et al calling for sex with 12 year olds to be made legal?
Or is it one rule for Labourites and another for Conservatives in your little wonderworld of Tom Watson, the caped Westminster crusader
please show where any politician of any colour has asked for sex with 12 years olds to made legal....you really are talking total rubbish GNV.
Harriet Harman was legal officer of the National Council for Civil Liberties ( now Liberty) and her husband chaired the NCCL in the 70's. Patricia Hewitt who was later a cabinet minister was its general secretary. The Information Exchange was affiliated to the NCCL. In 1996 the NCCL issued a press release calling for the lowering of the age of consent to 14.
Is GNV talking rubbish?
It's over 40 years ago Max, so in dean's little world of left wing fantasy, it doesn't exist :lol2:
Quote by deancannock
no I would never google that as such like searches are registered !!
It shows the level you have sunk to, that you would suggest that any MP of any party would advocate changing the law for the age if consent to be lowered to 12.
GNV...your recent comments do not become of man of your intelligence. We all have differences of opinion, else the world would be boring place, but I'm sorry to say your recent comments fall below a standard of decency.
and so they should be....
All I googled was Harriet Harman, Jack Dromey and Patricia Hewitt in the same search box which gave rise to a significant number of references to their joint involvement with PIE and their desire to allow as young as aged 10. Despicable people. That is what is meant by falling below a standard of decency, mate! There are different accounts of what age was supported (some accounts say 10, some 12) but in any event, that these dreadful people even had it in their mind to support such a wicked notion and remain in free circulation beggars belief.
That you are suspicious of googling them speaks volumes... and can only lead one to the belief that you do after all associate them with and are anxious about being tarred with the same brush, as a devout supporter of Labour and it's terrible record on PIE (the Information Exchange organisation), Rotherham and no doubt other Labour regimes to follow. But don't worry, PIE was thankfully disbanded years ago but their awful desire to legalise sex with young children lives on regardless.
Funny how the self appointed -catcher-General Watson fails to make reference to his Opposition Bench colleagues with the same gusto he applies to smirching the good name of Baroness Thatcher and Baron Brittan, both of whom served their Country in exemplary fashion - something sadly lacking in the bunch of no-marks of your persuasion who followed them.
Quote by deancannock
@dean
and PIE? Hariett Harman, Jack Dromey, Patricia Hewitt et al calling for sex with 12 year olds to be made legal?
Or is it one rule for Labourites and another for Conservatives in your little wonderworld of Tom Watson, the caped Westminster crusader
please show where any politician of any colour has asked for sex with 12 years olds to made legal....you really are talking total rubbish GNV.
Obviously in denial (again) dean.
Google it - one thing you are good at :lol2:
Quote by deancannock
Read back through the thread. I've already answered that question previously.
Gone back through all 6 pages....I can plenty of times you have sought to distract from that question...but no where that you have answered it !! Nearest you came is when you said as Mrs Thatcher was dead she can't be found guilty. I'm sorry but she can....if documents arise that show she knew and choose to do nothing and ignore, then she is guilty. Jimmy Saville is dead.....but I can't see to many people calling him innocent. Cyril Smith is dead....but can't see many people calling him innocent.
Simple enough question....If it is found by a totally independent enquiry, now headed up up, by a judge from new Zealand, with no links to nay party or any other British establishment, that a ring operated within Westminster ...will you openly condemn the people involved, and anyone involved with a cover up ??
No comment about Harriet Harman, Jack Dromey and Patricia Hewitt then I see. Those awful people still in the so called 'establishment' who were the founder members of PIE - just as a reminder - the diabolical organisation which called for sex with 10 year olds to be made legal.
It is reckoned that this new enquiry, if it ever gets off the ground, headed by Ms Goddard will not report before 2018. It's terms of reference are yet to be determined but it is thought that it will mainly focus on more recent events such as Rotherham and measures to prevent this type of establishment abuse ever happening again. Good luck to them. This is a more pragmatic approach to take.
Now, I'm sure Ms Goddard is a resourceful kind of person; the thought of £791 per day (if she is to be remunerated at the same going rate as Chilcot - his rate set in 2009 hasn't changed) must be quite alluring and I wouldn't doubt that, like the Chilcot débâcle, it will undoubtedly stretch far beyond the 3 years suggested. I mean, you cant rush these things, can you?
No, I won't dean.
Will you CONDEMN Harriet Harman and her equally nasty husband Dromy for their (founding, no less) part in PIE (mentioned in your link)?
No, of course you wont.
As Toots has said, you seem too selective in your choice of who to support in this and you seem to support the nasty people spreading vicious lies like your man Tom Watson. Perhaps he has been taking lessons in how to be a messianic prick from past master Bliar.
As my 'ol Gran used to say... them's none as blind as them who refuse t'see.
Will you CONDEMN Harriet Harman and her equally nasty husband Dromy for their (founding, no less) part in PIE (mentioned in your link)?
No, of course you wont.
As Toots has said, you seem too selective in your choice of who to support in this and you seem to support the nasty people spreading vicious lies like your man Tom Watson. Perhaps he has been taking lessons in how to be a messianic prick from past master Bliar.
As my 'ol Gran used to say... them's none as blind as them who refuse t'see.
Quote by deancannock
Not wanting the truth....have I ever stated I didn't want an enquiry into the Iraq war ??? If you bother to look back Toots you will see you posted a similar link and I answered. fact is both Labour and Tory party voted for action in Afghanistan and Iraq. The Lib Dems can maybe hold the moral high ground as they didn't. However as stated again and again...IF wrong doing is found to have occurred, I will without hesitation CONDEMN the actions, and the ask that the people concerned are named and if can be suitably punished !!
However TOOTS....It is now been shown that Mrs Thatcher clearly withheld offenders, names, and sought to cover up the situation. It is obvious to anyone with a shread of an open mind, that the reason for this, is because she knew it would lead back to her cabinet, her allies and her close friends.
So seeing that the documents now clearly show she withheld and covered this up. I ask do you condone her actions or CONDEMN her actions.
As more documents are realised and the full extent to her cover up is exposed, maybe you will once again come back and CONDEMN her and her actions.....
and your evidence is?????
No doubt you also subscribe to the view that Lord Brittan was a too..
Only he's dead too so can't answer for his actions or defend his innocence.
The Lord High Catcher General - your blessed hero - strikes again. Wonder how long it will be before Tom Watson is caught with his trousers round his ankles and his dick up some juvenile's arse...
Quote by herts_darlings1
Actually gullsonroad, perhaps you would like to take this opportunity to condemn the murderers and those who assisted them?
You don't have to, just a thought. After all you are free to do and say as you please.
To be honest herts, knowing guls controversial style of posting after quite a few years of observation, that he didn't glorify their actions is enough for me to be satisfied as to the intention of his post and I don't think he needs to do more to portray his inner feelings of disgust and dismay at the killings and the perpetrators.
Allez les Bleus!!
Quote by dsfrancetoo
Went to get my copy of Charlie Hebdo this morning, only to find out that they had sold out quickly, as it did in the rest of France apparently. Returning home, I listen to the news to find that copies are selling on ebay for over £500, now I don't think this is right, nor what it is all about, and hope the profits that any of these arseholes make will be given to Charlie, got my doubts though, profiteering bastards.
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We have the same problem getting a copy too in our locale. 5 million copies gone in a flash!
Perhaps the Jahidists bought all the copies to keep it off the streets...
There were 90 A list 'dignitaries' and enough security to cover 900 of them Toots so, whilst I hear what you say, I can't agree,
Benjamin Netanjahu is a big enough target on his own for a terrorist attack; that he made the trip shows the strength of his conviction.
The yanks are just running scared and prefer to watch football. That said, why couldn’t the Vice President or the Secretary of State make it? The SoS was already in Paris after all and both the President and VP had free diaries. Instead, they sent a disposable 'B' lister who no-one has ever heard of! There are a significant number of American ex-pats in France. They must be gutted and totally ashamed of being American.
Why did Obama get the Nobel peace prize? Many questioned it at the time and now I can see why.
Benjamin Netanjahu is a big enough target on his own for a terrorist attack; that he made the trip shows the strength of his conviction.
The yanks are just running scared and prefer to watch football. That said, why couldn’t the Vice President or the Secretary of State make it? The SoS was already in Paris after all and both the President and VP had free diaries. Instead, they sent a disposable 'B' lister who no-one has ever heard of! There are a significant number of American ex-pats in France. They must be gutted and totally ashamed of being American.
Why did Obama get the Nobel peace prize? Many questioned it at the time and now I can see why.
In a word (or two) herts, from the celebrated philosopher François-Marie Arouet aka Voltaire, your post can be summarised by saying "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
I couldn't agree more.
I'm sure there are many who will show their solidarity in different ways but hopefully few who will do so like Obama wearing slippers watching football on the telly whist other world leaders - even those who are sworn enemies like the leaders of Israel and Palestine - gathered in Paris in support of peace.
Isn't it poignant that when the WTC towers were hit, one of the first world leaders to visit the States in person in the aftermath to stand with America against the outrage was Jaques Chirac, then President of France. What a shame that the Commander-in-chief nor his deputy could be arsed to make an effort to stand with France on this occasion. Sums up their arrogance really.
Perhaps Charlie Hebdo might reflect on that with a caricature cartoon of Obama in his tartan slippers, glass in hand, cheering on the game...
I couldn't agree more.
I'm sure there are many who will show their solidarity in different ways but hopefully few who will do so like Obama wearing slippers watching football on the telly whist other world leaders - even those who are sworn enemies like the leaders of Israel and Palestine - gathered in Paris in support of peace.
Isn't it poignant that when the WTC towers were hit, one of the first world leaders to visit the States in person in the aftermath to stand with America against the outrage was Jaques Chirac, then President of France. What a shame that the Commander-in-chief nor his deputy could be arsed to make an effort to stand with France on this occasion. Sums up their arrogance really.
Perhaps Charlie Hebdo might reflect on that with a caricature cartoon of Obama in his tartan slippers, glass in hand, cheering on the game...
After the show of solidarity in towns and villages all over France today making a stand against terror (over 2.5 million in Paris alone), let's hope that those less well informed about the beautiful French people will now eat their words.
To hear the Marseillaise being sung spontaneously not only in our small local commune by a vast crowd, but up and down the land as a mark of defiance against those who wish ill of the French gives my goosebumps goosebumps.
This outpouring of strength and unity and the show of strength of the mighty French state makes me proud to be a resident here and less fearful for my safety than I ever did in the UK and on those increasingly rare occasions I venture back.
Vive la France!, Vive la Republique!
To hear the Marseillaise being sung spontaneously not only in our small local commune by a vast crowd, but up and down the land as a mark of defiance against those who wish ill of the French gives my goosebumps goosebumps.
This outpouring of strength and unity and the show of strength of the mighty French state makes me proud to be a resident here and less fearful for my safety than I ever did in the UK and on those increasingly rare occasions I venture back.
Vive la France!, Vive la Republique!
1 million copies of Charlie Hebdo will be printed for circulation next Wednesday.
I hope they will be available in the UK and that you will show some solidarity by buying a copy.
I'll be getting my copy here in France whilst remembering those fine people who were butchered in cold blood a week earlier.
I hope they will be available in the UK and that you will show some solidarity by buying a copy.
I'll be getting my copy here in France whilst remembering those fine people who were butchered in cold blood a week earlier.
Quote by Gerty35
From what I read, OPEC are following the market trend to preserve their position against the short price. If they were no to do, they could lose even more market share by trying to keep the price high.
GnV, can you expand on this for the financially uneducated !
Basically, market forces. If someone else is selling your commodity at a lower price the market will undoubtedly go with the lower price rather than rather than buy higher against some misguided loyalty.
The Sheiks recognise this, so to avoid overstocking and maintain some cash throughput, they sell at at lower price too. Nothing sinister, just survival. If Lidl sell Champoo at £10 a bottle cheaper than Threshers, you'd go to Lidle, right?
Quote by Gerty35
Good for the consumer as takes the edge off prices. All the costs savings don't get passed on to the consumer so more profits for the corporations which in turn should improve dividends and help the pension funds ?
But if oil prices stay low I'll bet the government finally increase the level of fuel duty, something they have had to hold off for the last years due to the high prices, why would they want us to get the benefits when they could get their mits on our money.
Bit more curious why OPEC are letting the price drop so low. Two schools of thoughts this end, they have so much money a slight reduction in income doesn't mean anything to them and the very low oil prices are crippling Russia.
From what I read, OPEC are following the market trend to preserve their position against the short price. If they were no to do, they could lose even more market share by trying to keep the price high.
I think the Ruskies are more worried about gas supplies right now...
Quote by deancannock
The Telegraph is a strong Tory supporting paper....none stronger...so hardly sensationist !!
I just thought we had become civilised enough, not to tear animals apart for entertainment. Foxes indeed need to be controlled, but far more humane and easier ways. What's next the legalisation of Badger baiting !!!
Well, they tried that in all but name... what an unmitigating disaster that was....
Quote by Trevaunance
To be fair it doesn't seem to me that the Tories are doing anything different to wht they have done before. It certainly isn't some sort of clandestine manifesto promise that no one suspected.
Let's also remember that they didn't want the hunting ban in the first place.
It's the same commitement as they made in their manifesto for the GE of 2005 and 2010. And despite winning in 2010 they haven't done a days work towards repealing the Act, so I'm afraid sensationalist headlines do not change my opinion that this Act will remain as statute.
Not quite so sure about that Trev..
Firstly, there's a bunch of Scottish Labour MPs voting in the English Parliament currently which makes it not quite so certain the Tories would win the vote.
Secondly, the presence of a significant number of left handed shakers in the coalition gives party planners the jitters.
English votes for English MPs in the next parliament (assuming Cameron's fortunes hold) and the left handed deposit loosing shakers burned at the stake might make matters a little more certain.
Quote by In a different thread GnV
"the only good thing said was that the british people should rule britain"
If Red Ed gets the keys to Downing Street next May, perhaps he'll consider a merger with the Elysée Palace alongside his bestest mate François Hollande - renown after kiss and tell disclosures by his most recent ex - the Rottweiler, in her recent book - that he absolutely detests poor people. They can console each other over crates of finest Krug...
But of the British ruling Britain, I agree. I hadn't appreciated that it is the Scottish MPs - mainly Labour of course - who prevent the English from enjoying their centuries old sport of hunting with dogs and no doubt a few more things too.
Good then to see Mr Farage enjoying a glass of good old British ale at a Boxing Day hunt rather than the more traditional toff's tipple. This really is a 'man of the people'.
Seems we're on the same lines dean... well, same gravy, different turkey...
"the only good thing said was that the british people should rule britain"
If Red Ed gets the keys to Downing Street next May, perhaps he'll consider a merger with the Elysée Palace alongside his bestest mate François Hollande - renown after kiss and tell disclosures by his most recent ex - the Rottweiler, in her recent book - that he absolutely detests poor people. They can console each other over crates of finest Krug...
But of the British ruling Britain, I agree. I hadn't appreciated that it is the Scottish MPs - mainly Labour of course - who prevent the English from enjoying their centuries old sport of hunting with dogs and no doubt a few more things too.
Good then to see Mr Farage enjoying a glass of good old British ale at a Boxing Day hunt rather than the more traditional toff's tipple. This really is a 'man of the people'.
If Red Ed gets the keys to Downing Street next May, perhaps he'll consider a merger with the Elysée Palace alongside his bestest mate François Hollande - renown after kiss and tell disclosures by his most recent ex - the Rottweiler, in her recent book - that he absolutely detests poor people. They can console each other over crates of finest Krug...
But of the British ruling Britain, I agree. I hadn't appreciated that it is the Scottish MPs - mainly Labour of course - who prevent the English from enjoying their centuries old sport of hunting with dogs and no doubt a few more things too.
Good then to see Mr Farage enjoying a glass of good old British ale at a Boxing Day hunt rather than the more traditional toff's tipple. This really is a 'man of the people'.
