Thanks T & G, had a fab night, met some lovely people, pity they weren't with us lol.... only kidding was good to meet old and new friends..... didn't see a camera in sight........
sorry i'm shy.... if I didn't say hi..
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Casanova
Quote by Peanut
You can have a British passport, belong to the British forces and kicked butt for Britain as much as you like, it still won't make you a native Brit. No more than me moving to Pakistan and eventually gaining Pakistani nationality either for myself or my family will get me to be a native Pakistani.
I'm just betting the scarecrow was your favourite character in the Wizard of Oz!
No wonder your called peanut. You said british not a native of britain. A native of britian. Sorry to inform you I am a native of Britain oh dear me...
na⋅tive /ˈneɪtɪv/ Show Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. being the place or environment in which a person was born or a thing came into being: one's native land.
So if someone in the street is told choose between you and I as to which is British and which is Asian. They'll choose you as the Brit?
You are 2nd generation British, you are not native British, there is a succinct difference. The fact you choose to ignore it using semantics is your problem not mine.
Ordinarily on a day to day basis there is no difference to me between the types of Brit, but the fact of the matter is we are having a discussion based on what is traditionally British and I'm guessing that your upbringing had more to do with Asian traditions than British ones (take note I used "more" and not "solely"). Even your religion is not traditionally British, so for the purposes of this discussion please desist from the semantic bollocks you have been using. You know full well what I mean and what I have been referring to.
As a sidebar it tickles me that you highlight a part of what I wrote then proceed to write stuff that bears no relationship to it at all.
You do talk some ****. Making assumptions again...bored with you....
Casanova
Quote by Naughty Wigan Couple
A couple of years ago we went to Ypres and the Menin Gate. Every night at 8pm, the last post is sounded and flowers are laid to remember the thousands who died in the 'great War' (their words, not mine). I have never in my life felt so humbled as I did when I heard the haunting sound of the last post being played. The road had been closed, and hundreds (no exageration) of people stood in silence.
If these people can do it every day, then I feel that the least we can do, is give 2 minutes of our time to remember EVERYONE who has died through war.
So true done same too x
Casanova
Quote by flower411
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.
Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.
I think that clip just goes to show what a nice well behaved lot the muslim demonstrators were !! :shock:
Did I miss something ??
If this is some kind of dig flower411 then my friend you have been take to be made a mug, this is an edited version showing the worst of the protest. This is by a BNP member and I am sure they are alot more video's on YouTube by them. :shock:
Taken to be a mug !!!
I commented that they seemed a nice well behaved bunch !!!
I see much worse than that outside the One Stop Shop just round the corner from me every weekend !!
I didn`t see anything I`d take particular exception to except for a few crappy placards obviously written in the same hand and a couple of rabble rousers keeping everybody warm with a bit of chanting :shock:
Was I watching the wrong clip ????
I apologise, sorry I was thinking you was being sarcastic.
Casanova
Quote by Peanut
You can have a British passport, belong to the British forces and kicked butt for Britain as much as you like, it still won't make you a native Brit. No more than me moving to Pakistan and eventually gaining Pakistani nationality either for myself or my family will get me to be a native Pakistani.
I'm just betting the scarecrow was your favourite character in the Wizard of Oz!
No wonder your called peanut. You said british not a native of britain. A native of britian. Sorry to inform you I am a native of Britain oh dear me...
na⋅tive /ˈneɪtɪv/ Show Spelled Pronunciation Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. being the place or environment in which a person was born or a thing came into being: one's native land.
Casanova
Quote by Mr-Powers
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.
Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.
I think that clip just goes to show what a nice well behaved lot the muslim demonstrators were !! :shock:
Did I miss something ??
If this is some kind of dig flower411 then my friend you have been take to be made a mug, this is an edited version showing the worst of the protest. This is by a BNP member and I am sure they are alot more video's on YouTube by them. :shock:
actually its a video from the NEFA Foundation set up after 9/11 in America.
I do know what the NEFA Foundation is and why it was set-up, now you find this foundations views seem to be very biased and I have seen footage and leaflets being used by members of the BNP in West Yorkshire.
Casanova
Quote by flower411
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.
Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.
I think that clip just goes to show what a nice well behaved lot the muslim demonstrators were !! :shock:
Did I miss something ??
If this is some kind of dig flower411 then my friend you have been take to be made a mug, this is an edited version showing the worst of the protest. This is by a BNP member and I am sure they are alot more video's on YouTube by them. :shock:
Casanova
Quote by Peanut
A British citizen can still be an immigrant. Having a British passport is not the same as being a British resident.
From British now you go on to British citizen and British Resident? What are you trying to clarify? What is british? is it an citizen or a resident? :haha:
My family past generation have been in the armed forces for britian, my late grandfather had documents that stated he was a british national not a british citizen, so what does that mean to him, if you called him anything thank british I'm sure he would have kicked butt .
So is a british resident someone that lives in britain, well you don't have to be a british citizen to live in britain, any EU citizen can live in britain. :doh:
Quote by Peanut
I'm not telling you anything, what I'm pointing out is the observation that you appear to be.
Your observations are incorrect and far from it, I am not offended but you seem to be.
As my late grandfather used to say he and his friends fighting for britain and all the blood, sweat and toil or other nations,
put the Great in Great Britain, so being British the part for him was he was the Great of Britain. Casanova
Quote by Peanut
Suit yourself, but you are certainly giving a good impression of being offended. When the hell have I said I know more than you? I even told you that I am not well read on the subject. I know fuck all about religious matters and actively make sure I know nothing about it because as I said I find the subject boring and silly. So where you got that assumption from I have no idea.
so now your telling me i'm offend which I am not
Casanova
Quote by Peanut
The only time I use muslims as an example is when it's relevant to the conversation I'm in. Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck whether someone is muslim, hindu or a Jedi fricken' Knight. What is far more relevant to me are people's actions.
Strong use of language, I don't understand how Muslims are relevant to xmas apart from most celebrate it.
Quote by Peanut
As for the newspapers, I haven't read a newspaper in more than 10 years (with the exception of occasionally waiting for my meal to show up in the Chinese takeaway), and I've never, ever bought a newspaper on a regular basis. My reason not not reading or buying them is precisely because I think they report news in a biased way, if indeed it is news that is being reported. So ultimately you've got your last comment so wrong it couldn't be more incorrect.
Sorry I've got it wrong but I do agree with you alot of material out there is biased.
Quote by Peanut
But back to the comment that started this sub-thread. I still think that it's ridiculous for an immigrant to come to a country that offends his/her sensibilities whether that be cultural or belief. For example I wouldn't dream of moving to Indonesia because their lack of separation between religion and government is ludicrous, but if I did I'd expect to have to follow the rules and culture of the state.
I don't thevillians mentioned any immigrantmore councils and the PC police doing this, because they may offend someone somewhere. So if your going back to the orginal post, there is some confusion as I will openly say as a muslim if they banned use of christmas or celebration of the birth of Isa (Jesus) I would be highly offended. By the way I am not an immigrant, my parents and grandparents are british too.
Quote by Peanut
We, in the UK, are so intent on not trying to offend people that we offend people. This is what happens when one tries to affect all the people all the time. Over the last few decades whatever small amount of customs and culture Britain had has been eroded to the point that there is pretty much nothing left that is truly British.
As far as this post and the subject of christmas and offending people maybe rather than thinking people are offended it is time to ask if people are offended. The BNP often puts out alot of false info that people seem to latch onto but don't considered even if it is true. Same as the media and the PC police.
As far as people born under the british flag aboard are british (or was the case before 1947), so some of these immigrants are actually british.
British customs and cultures is a mix from when we used to go around the world and came it ours.
Sadly somethings we did were wrong but things happen. I don't understand how customs and culture has been eroded? and what is truly British? Casanova
Quote by Peanut
This paragraph speaks volumes to me. You seem intent on being an offended muslim by thinking that I'm having a pop at muslims. You would be mistaken. The headgear and bikes was based the Sikh's exemption from having to wear a crash helmet (stemming from a court case in the 80s I think).
I love the way you put it speaks volumes, I am never offended and would never be offended by someone who thinks they know more than I do. Questions why I had to mention wasn't muslims for you then to write was Sikh's that is false. It was a Sikh in the Police force how didn't want to remove his headgear and wear the helmet. The motorbike crash helmet was a Rasta not wanting to show his 7 locks, in small heath Birmingham.
Casanova
Quote by Peanut
There did seem a hell of a lot demonstrating in London over the cartoons, If my memory serves me right there was someone wearing a certain jacket, for which he was arrested for. :shock:
So who was demonstrating? Not all muslims but a minority of muslims.
Where did you get the idea that ALL muslims were being referred to?
Well you never made it clear a small minority were offended. Instead you put people and kentswingers had some I idea there was alot of demonstrating, part of free speach. Everytime there has been a something on the forum regarding religion or religious intolerances you examples include muslims. I question how much you really know and how much is you reading the papers and believing everything they say is true?
Casanova
Quote by Phuckers
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.
Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.
Well you answer it well, it is not all muslims but a minority of them, I think if all the muslim's decended on London you would have alot more there. Sadly alot of people take what a minority do or think and believe it must be all of them thinking the same.
The burqa is a custom of certain culturals nothing to do with Islam. The headgear was nothing to do with Islam was to do with Rastafarianism and Sikhism.
All apart of Islamophobia, not one of you mentioned, any other religion, oh it's the muslims again lol, not celebrating xmas. We some muslims do, only they consider it the birth of one of the important prophets and not the son of god.
my muslim friend call him prophet Isa(Jesus)which is a recognised in Koran
Excellent you've got it right he is called Isa, which comes from a change in Aramaic. Classified as Jesus, the son of Mary in Islam, Isa is a messenger of God who had been sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā'īl) with a new scripture, the Injīl (gospel).
Casanova
Quote by kentswingers777
Well this clip shows some of the demo.
Not wanting to get involved, just answering your question.
Bearing in mind this was on the streets of London.
Well you answer it well, it is not all muslims but a minority of them, I think if all the muslim's decended on London you would have alot more there. Sadly alot of people take what a minority do or think and believe it must be all of them thinking the same.
The burqa is a custom of certain culturals nothing to do with Islam. The headgear was nothing to do with Islam was to do with Rastafarianism and Sikhism.
All apart of Islamophobia, not one of you mentioned, any other religion, oh it's the muslims again lol, not celebrating xmas. We some muslims do, only they consider it the birth of one of the important prophets and not the son of god.
Casanova
Quote by kentswingers777
There did seem a hell of a lot demonstrating in London over the cartoons, If my memory serves me right there was someone wearing a certain jacket, for which he was arrested for. :shock:
So who was demonstrating? Not all muslims but a minority of muslims.
Casanova
Quote by Peanut
Do I really have to define "ethnic minority" for you? It's a commonly used phrase that most people understand.
No I don't believe it's generalising full stop, let alone extremely. There are very few, if any white people with religions that don't celebrate Christmas who speak out about how offended they are by Christmas.
The point I was making, which seems totally lost on you, is that certain people, most commonly people who have religions and customs that have been imported into the UK, who always seem to be offended about something or other. For example, the moslem women doing an impression of Batman get the hump and are offended if they are told to take off their ridiculous garb due to security concerns. People were outraged and offended by a Danish cartoon, people were offended when they were told they had to take off their headgear whilst riding a motorcycle. Certain people just love it and look for reasons to be offended if for no other reason than the simple fact it gets them noticed.
It's customary for visitors to a country to follow the rules and traditions of the country they are in... with the exception it seems of the UK. Over here it's the Brits that have to change their customs and traditions in case we offend the visitors.
In a nutshell Peanut thinks it's fucking ridiculous.
As you seem to be so well read on the subject, I think you may be able to enlighten me, regarding muslim women they wearing the burqa. I thought that it has little to do with religion more to do with the cultural background or am I wrong.
Who was offended by the cartoon? wasn't it a small minority or are you just generalising again, are they muslims?
Which people were offended when they were told they had to take off their headgear whilst riding a motorcycle? or is that a generalisation again, are they muslims? Least make yourself a bit clearer.
Casanova
Quote by Whipsnspurs
i haven't read through everyone elses posts. but when i read something like this the same question always comes to mind. 'why choose to live in a country who's beliefs and traditions offend you so much?'
not to sound racist, i'm not in anyway because i'm happy for whomever to live here. but for crying out loud; i wouldn't go to live in another country and expect them to change what they believe in or celebrate! if we offend you so much stay in your own country or move somewhere that suits your needs better!
whips
Funny what you put.... some people do not necessarily come from other countries that don't want christmas or don't celebrate christmas, believe in creation, have differing religons, etc. So what would you do with the people born here thrown them out?
What you put does sound racist.
to answer you question zeddies:
to be racist is to discriminate against another race and their beliefs and or principles/traditions. therefore those who are offended by ours and want to ban our traditions, stifle our beliefs and set against our principles are the ones who are being racist.
i don't believe i have actually done that have i?
you see i really couldn't care less what anyone else believes in or celebrates. i don't have regard for any religion what so ever. however, what i do have is a healthy respect for those who do. i respect their right to choice and to carry out their own choices in their own way. what i expect in return is exactly the same. if they don't like what other people do they should shut up and put up with it the same as i do with them.
those who are born here are brought up knowing what this country celebrates. so for me personally if they don't like it tough! christmas for me has nothing what-so-ever to do with jesus. if that offends people i don't care. it's my opinion and i have as much right to it as anyone else has to theirs. but i am not about to go running through the street telling everyone else that they should wake up and smell the coffee, there is no god.......blah blah blah.....
everyone has a right to their own opinion and this country, for whatever reason, has celebrated christmas for donkies years. why should millions be deprived of something for the sake of a handfull of people who would not give up their own beliefs and traditions if we said so?
whips
But are you not discrimating against other beliefs of not celebrating xmas, and xmas is about Jesus.
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