5 years in and still looking for that first time experience, up to now just seems to be time wasters and pic collectors lol, there must be SERIOUS people out there  ???

new to scene and wanna play with discreet like minded people that can be patient and understanding of newbies,( ideally looking for a couple that can mentor us and show us around ) would love to meet a couple to attend a club with, we are signed at jay-dees club. Would love to find that elusive women to help satisfy my wife`s curiosity and give her the experience she deserves and take her to heaven ( i can stay out of it if preferred but would be present )

we are just jo averages , we wear our lives , all the usual hang ups about ourselves lol. She is a mother and wears her scars with pride which makes me love her all the more. so If you are vain, looking for perfection etc then please move on as don`t want to be tied down with those issues.

if we get to chatting then we expect honesty, if we say or do something that offends then please let us know, after all a problem isn't a problem if you are not aware. prefer chat via chatroom ( message tennis is too frustrating ), can cam to confirm who we are , never chatted via cam yet but would alleviate a lot of misunderstanding's that arise from messages.

Are there any genuine couples out there, tired after just the short time we have been on of people with Ulterior motives. If you want to just SEXT and talk dirty then find a site for that. If you want to collect pics then there are plenty of sites for that too.

WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR SINGLE MALES or BI-MALES so please don't bother. We also only want to play TOGETHER so if only interested in 1 then don't waste time please.

PS we are smokers 

PPS no pics on profile then please dont bother us. Wouldnt go shopping for packaging with blank boxes/tins so if you cant make some effort then dont waste peoples time.

EDIT 15/4/18 dropped down to basic subs as paying for time wasting just aint our thing