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"Room title contains disallowed words"
I am getting this error message whenever I try to add "no whispers" or "no whispering" on the room title! Means I can never have a room that states a preference for chat staying in the main room. I have seen the "no whispers" request on other people's titles so obviously it is not a problem for everybody?
Curiously enough, another example of a disallowed word is "tessellation" lol
Tessellation is considered far too hardcore for this site! ;)
And :welcome: to the forum Mr and Ms Pie.
So why cant we have "no whispers" in a chat room title ? smile
Can't you block whispers?
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Can't you block whispers?

Yes but i still wonder why we cant have "no whispers" in the room title.
The reason that you cannot have "no whispers" in the room title is that it is not a site rule, as there is a facility to block whispers now.
People can chose to whisper the same as people can chose to block the whispers.
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The reason that you cannot have "no whispers" in the room title is that it is not a site rule, as there is a facility to block whispers now.
People can chose to whisper the same as people can chose to block the whispers.

ok
The list of 'banned words' for room names contains mostly the usual words that most normal people would expect. No I'm not going to list them. However we are now finding that people are adding zeros instead of the letter o, or ones instead of the letter i. They are also putting spaces in the word.
Once found, these attempts are also added to the list and the rooms are closed
banghead
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The reason that you cannot have "no whispers" in the room title is that it is not a site rule, as there is a facility to block whispers now.

I am sorry but this makes little sense. I could start a room called "random chat no wanking" - even though there is no site rule against it! By the same token, if I wanted to encourage whispers (as in "random talk whispers welcome") I am also not allowed to do that. In the smaller rooms especially you often see the keyholder leaving a line saying "Welcome, feel free to whisper" or something to that effect.
And yes Ian I have been tempted to add "wh1spers" (which still works, btw), but I am too obedient lol Now curious to know what other words are disallowed! (And why).
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The reason that you cannot have "no whispers" in the room title is that it is not a site rule, as there is a facility to block whispers now.

I am sorry but this makes little sense. I could start a room called "random chat no wanking" - even though there is no site rule against it! By the same token, if I wanted to encourage whispers (as in "random talk whispers welcome") I am also not allowed to do that. In the smaller rooms especially you often see the keyholder leaving a line saying "Welcome, feel free to whisper" or something to that effect.
And yes Ian I have been tempted to add "wh1spers" (which still works, btw), but I am too obedient lol Now curious to know what other words are disallowed! (And why).[/quot
Ian I’m also curious to know what words are band,
tell us more please
Because it's optional whether to receive whispers, you can't put 'no whispering' in the room title? This is ridiculous and makes very little sense.
Recieving a webcam is also optional. funny old thing I just opened a room called 'you will be kicked if you show your web cam'. Guess what, it opened without a problem.
So presumably I can open a room that doesn't allow cams and warn and, if subsequently necessary, kick people that violate that rule?
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Because it's optional whether to receive whispers, you can't put 'no whispering' in the room title? This is ridiculous and makes very little sense.
Recieving a webcam is also optional. funny old thing I just opened a room called 'you will be kisked if you show your web cam'. Guess what, it opened without a problem.
So presumably I can open a room that doesn't allow cams and warn and, if subsequently necessary, kick people that violate that rule?

On the contrary, had I spotted your room title ' you will be kicked if you show your webcam' I would have closed the room and spoke to you regarding it's closure.
Chatroom user rules
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/chatroom/user-rules.html
Under 'Opening Rooms'
You cannot kick someone from a room due to the colour of their skin, their geographical location, sexual orientation, their membership status or if they are not on cam. If, for example, you want a room for Couples only, you should make this a Private room with a password, so that entry is by invite only.
Toots I have already read that rule and it clearly states that you can't kick someone that isn't on cam. Fair enough, I see no problem with that. What it doesn't say is that you can't kick someone who is on cam in a no cam room.
Although the situation would be ludicrous it goes to show that the rules are very much open to interpretation if someone wanted to make a point. I firmly believe that this has come about as the original rules have slowly modified and changed over the years to crack down on certain abuses, the most notable one being directing. The rules simply state that certain words are banned, but doesn't say which. But presumably words that aren't on the list are ok? However, I'm wandering on a tangent there.
The OP questioned why you cant have the term 'no whispering' in a room title. I agree that it seems a little ridiculous, so do several others. furthermore I have been able to prove that the software doesn't prevent you from opening a room with 'no webcams' in the title, therefore exposing a loophole that maybe someone might like to close before it actually becomes a problem.
Back to the original question of 'no whispering' in the room title. When did this change? I clearly remember rooms that said exactly that in the room title. More importantly why did it change? the rationale that recieving whispers is optional doesn't really seem like an effective answer given that the whisper block is not 100% usefull in all circumstances.
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Toots I have already read that rule and it clearly states that you can't kick someone that isn't on cam. Fair enough, I see no problem with that. What it doesn't say is that you can't kick someone who is on cam in a no cam room.
Although the situation would be ludicrous it goes to show that the rules are very much open to interpretation if someone wanted to make a point. I firmly believe that this has come about as the original rules have slowly modified and changed over the years to crack down on certain abuses, the most notable one being directing. The rules simply state that certain words are banned, but doesn't say which. But presumably words that aren't on the list are ok? However, I'm wandering on a tangent there.
The OP questioned why you cant have the term 'no whispering' in a room title. I agree that it seems a little ridiculous, so do several others. furthermore I have been able to prove that the software doesn't prevent you from opening a room with 'no webcams' in the title, therefore exposing a loophole that maybe someone might like to close before it actually becomes a problem.
Back to the original question of 'no whispering' in the room title. When did this change? I clearly remember rooms that said exactly that in the room title. More importantly why did it change? the rationale that recieving whispers is optional doesn't really seem like an effective answer given that the whisper block is not 100% usefull in all circumstances.

I had a look back at some posts/info from Admin and it looks like the whisper rule was updated around November 2010 (other more experienced OP's may correct me on this) with a further update to the banned words/the room titles concerning whispers in Mid- July 2011.
I don't know why the banned list is not published but from my point of view I'm glad it isn't just cos some will always try to circumvent the system, giving them advance warning by way of publishing the list could possibly make things unnecessarily busy for the OP's with members room creation antics etc.
It may be the case and since you've pointed it up that 'whispering' is added to the banned list but that isn't my decision.
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"random chat no wanking" .

I'd love to know where the facility was to stop wanking is tho wink,
Has there been a new added upgrade to the site lol
Some of the room titles are rejected because they attempt to restrict how people should use the site over and above the rules and T&Cs.
The site admins simplified the rules some time ago because they were becoming unnecessarily complex and because new facilities were introduced. Whispering (and being able to block it) is an example where the historical "no whispering without getting permission first" rule was no longer needed.
Any room title should not seek to restrict people's access to the site and should not be in contravention of existing rules. This is primarily covered by the following:
"You cannot kick someone from a room due to the colour of their skin, their geographical location, sexual orientation, their membership status or if they are not on cam. If, for example, you want a room for Couples only, you should make this a Private room with a password, so that entry is by invite only."
I know it doesn't specifically mention whispering, but if we included every possible permutation of what is not allowed, it would be an extremely long list. One area where we have had continual problems in the past is with regard to couples-only rooms, which it why this is mentioned.
To answer the OPs question about "tessellation", we use a combination of automated and manual facilities to check and deal with inappropriate room titles. This word happens to match to one of the automated functions but not in the intended way. I've therefore sent admin a pm to take a look.
We know that the rules do not cover every possible permutation; site admin trust the Chatroom Ops and members to use the site in a sensible manner, and where there are problems the Ops make a reasoned decision based on common sense and site knowledge. If we encounter a situation we've not been in before we discuss it and refer it to admin where appropriate so we have an agreed approach for future.
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Now that is an excellent answer!
blimy you peeps are complicated, if you dont want to see cams dont watch them, dont complain if they are on/off, if you dont want wispers you can turn it to authorise then they wont popup automaticly, this is not rocket science
It would be good though that if they looked into an ability to create rooms that have parameters, ie 'fem/couples/male' age etc. This would then prevent people getting into that room etc.. So it would allow open rooms but with limits.
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blimy you peeps are complicated, if you dont want to see cams dont watch them, dont complain if they are on/off, if you dont want wispers you can turn it to authorise then they wont popup automaticly, this is not rocket science
It would be good though that if they looked into an ability to create rooms that have parameters, ie 'fem/couples/male' age etc. This would then prevent people getting into that room etc.. So it would allow open rooms but with limits.

I think the problem around the cam issue is simply sometimes a room can be taken over with "wow u look gr8" "love to see *insert appropriate body part*" "fancy a shag" "give it to her harder" coming from all sides towards someone on cam who may well be in 2 rooms and not talking openly in either because they are deep in whisper. Whilst someone may not actually be watching a cam they are given a running commentary from other members who seem to think they are going to come out with the one line that will get the cammers attention.
And the way I understand it to have an open room that only allows certain sections of the site in - ie couples/fems/males would be against the AUP as it discriminates against them entering part of the site. Hence why this was debated a while ago and it was decided it would have to be a passworded room with its own group set up to notify their members of the password of the day.
As for the no whisper room title rule, i miss the old days lol. Yup i usually have my whispers set on authorise but it doesnt stop the annoyance factor rising seeing "xxx wants to whisper you blah blah" popping up. (i have a very long block list now). I appreciate that its no longer site policy as we have our own control over our whispers now but is it really discriminating against a group and therefore against AUP to have it in a room title? Not sure I'll ever get my head around that one.
P x
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As for the no whisper room title rule, i miss the old days lol.

The good old days lol
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I appreciate that its no longer site policy as we have our own control over our whispers now but is it really discriminating against a group and therefore against AUP to have it in a room title? Not sure I'll ever get my head around that one.

I deliberately didn't choose the word "discriminate" in my previous post (not trying to be nit picking but I am trying to explain as best I can) - the decision taken by admin was that instead of having a continual debate between those who would accept whispers without being asked and those who wouldn't, they would put the control into members' hands by giving them the tools to control whispers (I appreciate it doesn't always work 100%).
Given that it's the members who choose who can and can't whisper them, the site default is that there is no restriction either way on whispering. Therefore to add it into a room title is placing additional restrictions on members over and above the site rules and effectively changes the playing field.
well i can understand the rules regarding couples only rooms, on a site that is made up of a much larger contingency of males, cynical i know.
but sorry this is a swingers site with far to many rules and regulations, it sounds sometimes like a government run web site.
we cannot think of a single reason why there should not be a couples only room, it is not like there are only to rooms listed in the list of rooms. having a single room that obviously a lot of couples want seems like a good idea. the problem with that is the way it is at the moment and in the past from what i have heard is that single males were being kicked constantly from that room. i am sure there is a way of software only allowing a couple profile into that room. it is not discrimination in my view, it is simply giving one section of the membership what they want. :notes:
i am sure that single males would not object to a single males only room :rascal:
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we cannot think of a single reason why there should not be a couples only room, :

I can think of a raft of reasons why it may be not such a good idea or at least not one implemented by software to recognise couples only cos once you go down that route a host of other groups of people would want their own room, bi-females only, lesbian room, bbw, cd/tv/ts. single male, etc etc etc.
If it ever was introduced I could see further problems with verification, not everyone is honest with their profile settings re single/couple. A few singles masquerading as couples, one is seemingly spotted, the host(s) of the room think they're on to something, booting them into touch and then the problems start with 'I know they're a couple' from one side of the fence with the others 'nah it's single bloke' and once the rot sets in the credibility of the room is lost and you're back to square one.
I'm sure this was raised a few months ago but why a few couples that know each other don't start a private room, invite only (password protected) spread the word amongst their couple friends and it would soon get busy but as of yet I haven't seen anything in the rooms that have gone down that avenue and if there is a genuine call for a couples only room it would have been there by now?
I'm sure the admin gave it some sort of green light with it being a simple invite only/password protected room with few conditions put in place? It might be that the idea could be resurrected?
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we cannot think of a single reason why there should not be a couples only room, :

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I can think of a raft of reasons why it may be not such a good idea or at least not one implemented by software to recognise couples only cos once you go down that route a host of other groups of people would want their own room, bi-females only, lesbian room, bbw, cd/tv/ts. single male, etc etc etc.

well as far as i am aware that has not happened? as far as we are aware the site is predominately single males, single females and couples. as far as we have been told there has always been a couples only room, but never a regular single males only room, or a single female only room dunno
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If it ever was introduced I could see further problems with verification, not everyone is honest with their profile settings re single/couple. A few singles masquerading as couples, one is seemingly spotted, the host(s) of the room think they're on to something, booting them into touch and then the problems start with 'I know they're a couple' from one side of the fence with the others 'nah it's single bloke' and once the rot sets in the credibility of the room is lost and you're back to square one.

does that not already happen? we see that all the time. men pretending to be part of a couple. surely a couple looking for a couple do not meet anyone without more of a verification, other than a quick chat on here?
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I'm sure this was raised a few months ago but why a few couples that know each other don't start a private room, invite only (password protected) spread the word amongst their couple friends and it would soon get busy but as of yet I haven't seen anything in the rooms that have gone down that avenue and if there is a genuine call for a couples only room it would have been there by now?

i was told that this did indeed happen a couple of years ago :dunno: do not know how popular it was.
there must be a genuine call for a couples only room, as it is always the only room on saturday night, outside of the pool or beach bar that is full. the pool or beach bar is where members are put when you first enter chat, any other room a member has to go into themselves. i have checked the couples room on many a night and it is one of the busiest rooms on chat. so i kind of wonder why that is.
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I'm sure the admin gave it some sort of green light with it being a simple invite only/password protected room with few conditions put in place? It might be that the idea could be resurrected?

that would be a very good idea, but could other members then feel excluded and start moaning that they are not allowed in :dunno:
if the couples only room is so busy, then surely there must be a call for it :dunno:
we are not that bothered to be honest as we do not go into chat that often, but when we do we usually head for the,,,, couples room.
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if the couples only room is so busy, then surely there must be a call for it dunno
we are not that bothered to be honest as we do not go into chat that often, but when we do we usually head for the,,,, couples room.

Here we go again, let you search Chatroom Lounge for the previous threads on a Couples only room.
However back in March following the result of the most recent call for a couples only room several members set up the by 'invite-only' couples 4 couples Group - http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/groups/7073/
The basis for this is that a room for only couples was being asked for, so only couples would be accepted into this Group and whereby one of the Group members would open a private/password protected room each day, with the password posted on a 'sticky' thread within the Group's own forum and/or messaged out to all Group members using that part of the Group's contact functionality.
Seemed to work, however since only a few Couples joined the Group there was often the situation whereby there were 2 Couples rooms opened in Chat, one 'public' and the other 'private'.
No points for guessing which one you will see most of nowadays ?
Is there a way for people to be notified when they try to whisper someone who has switched whispers off? I (LB1) switch off my whispers often when in the chatroom, as I can't keep up with them all and prefer to chat in the main room usually. But, I have had situations where people have made comments about me being rude for "ignoring" them - I don't want to upset people, so it would be great if people got an automated message pop up when trying to whisper someone who has switched whispers off - at least they'll know why they're not getting a reply!
Lilith xx
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Is there a way for people to be notified when they try to whisper someone who has switched whispers off? I (LB1) switch off my whispers often when in the chatroom, as I can't keep up with them all and prefer to chat in the main room usually. But, I have had situations where people have made comments about me being rude for "ignoring" them - I don't want to upset people, so it would be great if people got an automated message pop up when trying to whisper someone who has switched whispers off - at least they'll know why they're not getting a reply!

I was going to copy this into Good ideas and suggestions for the site/admin, but somone beat me to it! ;)
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Is there a way for people to be notified when they try to whisper someone who has switched whispers off? I (LB1) switch off my whispers often when in the chatroom, as I can't keep up with them all and prefer to chat in the main room usually. But, I have had situations where people have made comments about me being rude for "ignoring" them - I don't want to upset people, so it would be great if people got an automated message pop up when trying to whisper someone who has switched whispers off - at least they'll know why they're not getting a reply!

I was going to copy this into Good ideas and suggestions for the site/admin, but somone beat me to it! ;)
Thanks guys - glad you agree that it's a good idea! :-)
Lilith xx
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As for the no whisper room title rule, i miss the old days lol. Yup i usually have my whispers set on authorise but it doesnt stop the annoyance factor rising seeing "xxx wants to whisper you blah blah" popping up. (i have a very long block list now). I appreciate that its no longer site policy as we have our own control over our whispers now but is it really discriminating against a group and therefore against AUP to have it in a room title? Not sure I'll ever get my head around that one.
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I was just wondering if there is any facility to retain a users block list from people who have been put on an ignore list from the messages mailbox that can automatically be applied in chat and vice a versa?
Right now, like others, I have to keep a manual list of people I don't want to receive whispers from in chatrooms and individually block them as they pop up in chatroom lists... both annoying and time consuming.
Also the only facility to ignore someone is if they have sent a message to your mailbox. This is not an option with IM's and as I found out last night, is equally open to abuse. Could there not be an option like the wink or contact me options to block or ignore someone direct from their profile?
I don't know why but there are some members who get their kicks out of being mean and malicious. I would love the opportunity to head trouble off at the pass - this would save admin and ops time and effort from having to be involved all the time...
What do you think?
As long as ironing doesn't get added to the list I'll be happy
lol