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If the room or profile doesn't say "no whispers" - one uninvited whipers should be allowed

I am starting this topic from a different angle to another topic called uninvited whispers
Continuously whispering when not invited is plain bad and ignorant and there is no place for them in chatrooms. Also whispering in a room that states no whispering is also not on.
But they are there for a reason - a person wants to say something without the others in the room reading it.
Before I whisper I read that persons profile
If the profile says that they don't want whispers - I don't.
If the profile dosn't - then I always ask myself
1. do I ask that person if I can whisper and send the message to everyone
or 2. do I whisper the words "please can I whisper?"
I prefer the second because if I did the first way I might look a perve (we all are). Alot of us are shy and don't want others to know we want to whisper. However if I get a whisper or a message in open chat saying no or no reply - I don't continue.
There should be nothing wrong with ONE uninvited whisper.
Let me know what you think especially from those who try to responsibly whisper
Vell as you visit my room on server 2 on a fairly regular basis, i agree, there are sometimes good reasons for a whisper, if only ask if its ok to whisper.
But its unfortunate that sometimes when people whisper without being told they can, they get rather aggressive when they are asked not to whisper.
i never mind someone whispering me asking if thats ok, as long as they respect my answer if its a no.
Good point made well Vell, thanks
Goldsmith
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Quote by Vellvell
There should be nothing wrong with ONE uninvited whisper.

I notice from your profile that your status is not set to "target" - sorry I mean single female.
I'll guess that (like me) you don't receive many whispers in the average month, and so if perhaps on the odd occasion somebody decides to try their luck, then I guess you don't object. That's fair enough I suppose.
Now imagine the scenario of the single female. Whispers appearing every thirty seconds or so. Do they have to say no to stop any further comment, Is ignoring it sufficient?
Sorry to say that when looking at it from this angle, your suggested modification to the site rules doesn't sound as appealing?
dunno
Quote by Vellvell
I am starting this topic from a different angle to another topic called uninvited whispers
Continuously whispering when not invited is plain bad and ignorant and there is no place for them in chatrooms. Also whispering in a room that states no whispering is also not on.
But they are there for a reason - a person wants to say something without the others in the room reading it.
Before I whisper I read that persons profile
If the profile says that they don't want whispers - I don't.
If the profile dosn't - then I always ask myself
1. do I ask that person if I can whisper and send the message to everyone
or 2. do I whisper the words "please can I whisper?"
I prefer the second because if I did the first way I might look a perve (we all are). Alot of us are shy and don't want others to know we want to whisper. However if I get a whisper or a message in open chat saying no or no reply - I don't continue.
There should be nothing wrong with ONE uninvited whisper.
Let me know what you think especially from those who try to responsibly whisper

With the greatest of respect I disagree with you....
1) if you go into a room that for example says "no whispers before asking first" then are you not in effect disregarding the room owners wishes? the person who took the time to set up the rules before you went in......
2) If you can tell me what the problem is with asking "x, can I please whisper you?" in public rather than in private, then sorry I'm not quite seeing it...... dunno for me it is a common curtosy issue
if I got whispers (1 from each person in the room) on a regular basis... because people are going out and coming back in, I can imagine how annoying it gets
Great to be getting replies to my post some for and some against. The idea of the post was to put my view from a responsible whisperer and to ask that we arn't all tarred with the same brush.
I know there are a few that have been intimidated by whispers which haven't been controlled. But this reflects society where there are bullies in every way of life. Those that do bully must be removed and those that don't think or are ignorant must be shown the error of there ways.
fabio thanks for your reply - but if you read my post again and for further clarification if there is a misunderstanding -
if the chatroom says "no whispers" or "ask before you whisper" then there must be no uninvited whispers.
Also if a person profile states "no whispers" then whatever room it is - no whispers should be directed to that person.
However there are the other rooms with no rules and this is where the poll and post was directed at to introduce a protocol for polite whispering.
This should mean that if you are inundated with whispers and there is a protocol you can report that person for not following it if they are not following it, you can put on your profile *no whispers" and I believe there is a tool in the chatroom that prevents whispers. But selecting that might mean that you don't meet a person who is genuine and too shy to tell you in pubic what he or she thinks.
Please try to look at it from my side - as I have tried to look at yours. If a room to discusses whispers please refer them to this page
vellvell
Quote by Vellvell
However there are the other rooms with no rules and this is where the poll and post was directed at to introduce a protocol for polite whispering.

Sorry to chop up your post Vellvell... but the chatroom rules apply to every room regardless of the title.
It is entirely the hosts choice whether to write "no whispers" in the room title but whether they do or whether they don't, it is a site wide rule not to whisper without first asking permission and receiving a positive reply in the room. The room title has no bearing on this other than to serve as a reminder.
The chatroom rules are here for you to see. :mrgreen:
My personal feeling is that whilst I can see what you're saying... it's annoying to receive an uninvited whisper regardless of the content. Asking to whisper in a whisper defeats the purpose of the rule, you've already whispered so why bother to ask? dunno
My preference goes with site rules, ask to whisper in the room, receive a positive response and then you whisper. Then it's my choice to accept or decline the whisper depending on my mood. If someone whispers me to ask if they can whisper then I wouldn't whisper back, I'd give them an answer in the room. wink
Quote by fabio
2) If you can tell me what the problem is with asking "x, can I please whisper you?" in public rather than in private, then sorry I'm not quite seeing it...... dunno for me it is a common curtosy issue

I can give you an example here - if someone is exploring their sexuality they may not want the whole room to know they have made initial contact with another individual (e.g. a member of their own sex, or a TV/CD), let alone the embarassment of asking and then getting a public cold shoulder.
Not advocating changing the rules, but you asked for an example..... wink
Quote by Varken
2) If you can tell me what the problem is with asking "x, can I please whisper you?" in public rather than in private, then sorry I'm not quite seeing it...... dunno for me it is a common curtosy issue

I can give you an example here - if someone is exploring their sexuality they may not want the whole room to know they have made initial contact with another individual (e.g. a member of their own sex, or a TV/CD), let alone the embarassment of asking and then getting a public cold shoulder.
Not advocating changing the rules, but you asked for an example..... wink
Wouldn't you just send a PM then? That keeps it private and no-one else needs to know. I know I've had PM's from people saying "I saw you in chat..."
:wink:
Yep a PM is an alternative way of doing it - like I said, I wasn't advocating a rule change, just giving an example of why someone might want to whisper first rather than asking in open chat.
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i'm a single girl and get loads of uninvited whispers and sometimes i just turn pc off as it is stress , look at it from this veiw ,,,,, in chat ur chatting to friends u always talk to and someone whispers u , this takes the text up a row so when like me u get 3 4 or 5 in a row u have then lost the conversation u was having and have to say no to all them , then people u were talking to think u are not responding and u spent the next 10 - 15 mins playing catch up ,
now from my point this is too much over and over again so its not just cause its rude it stop u chatin and doing ur thing so if i get them , i tend to ignore them , if they go on i cut n paste them and so on . it say on my profile to ask and i usually say yes unless its a bad time to get caught up in them ,this is my veiw and hope it helps a little to understand how stressfull uninvited whispers get over and over again ...
thanks , welshdish
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i'm a single girl and get loads of uninvited whispers and sometimes i just turn pc off as it is stress , look at it from this veiw ,,,,, in chat ur chatting to friends u always talk to and someone whispers u , this takes the text up a row so when like me u get 3 4 or 5 in a row u have then lost the conversation u was having and have to say no to all them , then people u were talking to think u are not responding and u spent the next 10 - 15 mins playing catch up ,
now from my point this is too much over and over again so its not just cause its rude it stop u chatin and doing ur thing so if i get them , i tend to ignore them , if they go on i cut n paste them and so on . it say on my profile to ask and i usually say yes unless its a bad time to get caught up in them ,this is my veiw and hope it helps a little to understand how stressfull uninvited whispers get over and over again ...
thanks , welshdish

Spot on, Welshdish :thumbup:
I find whispers - even polite ones, intimidating and it's the reason I don't go into chat much.
It's like this -
Imagine you are standing in an actual, real-life bar, with a group of people, listening to a conversation, maybe joining in, having a stress free time, enjoying the general chat - and then suddenly someone you don't know, cuts across everyone else, leans in close and, out of earshot of everyone else whispers - "hey babe - fancy getting together?"
That's the way it feels to me in a chatroom. It's not only disruptive and annoying, as Welshdish says, it's also - to me, anyway, intimidating.
whilst i agree with the bulk of original poster is there not an option toturn off whispers and if someone is polite enough to ask then put them back on again and only reply to that individual as a couple but mainly me on cam or in room(fem) the one thing that pisses me off is phone numbers, ring me, hear me cum, this that and the other get a life i am currently looking for my first bi fem experience and because of persistant pesters most genuine females dont speak up or even come into rooms any more for the fear of us not being a genuine couple and just a male posing as such
yes the option is in the tools menu located at the top right of the chat text window along with enable sounds etc
Quote by Welshdish
i'm a single girl and get loads of uninvited whispers and sometimes i just turn pc off as it is stress , look at it from this veiw ,,,,, in chat ur chatting to friends u always talk to and someone whispers u , this takes the text up a row so when like me u get 3 4 or 5 in a row u have then lost the conversation u was having and have to say no to all them , then people u were talking to think u are not responding and u spent the next 10 - 15 mins playing catch up ,
now from my point this is too much over and over again so its not just cause its rude it stop u chatin and doing ur thing so if i get them , i tend to ignore them , if they go on i cut n paste them and so on . it say on my profile to ask and i usually say yes unless its a bad time to get caught up in them ,this is my veiw and hope it helps a little to understand how stressfull uninvited whispers get over and over again ...
thanks , welshdish

this is why i agree with Asking before whispering.
i tend to treat the room the same was as if i was to chat to someone in public... if you was in a crowded bar, place at work, or even at home, would you whisper something in to someones ear with out first saying "can i speak to you for a second" ..probably not.. and why? because its considered rude. so why do the same thing on here.
aslo.... i find chatting to a person for a bit in the main room, and enjoying the banter before asking to whisper, normally results in a more possitive responce
it does my head in when people whisper without asking and getting permission.
and to be honest it really grates when someone whispers asking can they whisper?? you thick fooking twat is what i think, i wont even respond, by whispering can you whisper you have defeated the question.
to be honest most whispers are not required, especially at initial stages, small talk is nicer to start with, not personal info that can only be exchanged in private.
how hard is it to ask someone if you can whisper them?
i tend to say no anyhow as the min you go into whisper and discover they have nothing intresting to say they think they have the right to forever whisper you.
xxx fem xx
Great replies to my original post.
Dirtygirly did mention in her reply that uninvited whispers were against the rules and I can't argue against that because I have agreed to them
Persistent whispering seems to be the bane of some posters. Perhaps SW needs to provide an option in members profiles to turn off whispers for those that don't want to receive them. I hope any further posts will support this together any other views.
vellvell
i take it you havnt been in chat for the last few weeks lol since we changed to 5 cams the option to block all whispers was added as well ... just a shame that people on your friends list cannt have an automatic enable whisper option as well but hey ho its an improvement all the same