As posted in the dogging section....
We went to the well known lay bye in Essex last Friday. This was our second ever time out. Pulled up about 8ish, lights off, a few other cars were already parked up..
We start to kiss and generally get warmed up, a guy passes the car as close as a roller in a car wash..My partner is slightlyl spooked by this.
I say dont worry he's just checking things out.
We continue kissing and I'm stroking her breast etc, barely 2 minutes later 2 guys appear noses pressed on both windows.
This time she is so spooked by things she says, she cant relax here and its not how she hoped it would be..to be honest I felt put off by there lack of manners...We decide to leave straight away. Back home both feeling frustrated we agreed that as we were new to this it may have been better to have arranged a meet with another couple....Or maybe carpark fun is not for us....
If only the 2 guys would have waited for a signal from us I'm sure they would have been in for a real treat.....Guess we need to assess other forms of meeting others!!
Any suggestions???
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To be perfectly honest, if you'd not given the fellas a clear indication of your intentions, but were at a regular dogging location, then maybe you only got what you -seemed like- you were asking for (hope that doesnt sound shitty, lol, isnt meant to)
Maybe you should arrange a meet at a location know only to you or at a time known only to you. That way you know who to expect and what time to expect them. Then once there, DONT give any indication that you intend to / look as though you intend to put on a show to anyone you haven't made arrangements with.
Then, when your arranged meeting partner(s) turn(s) up, you all know where you stand.
Planning makes a big difference.
Maybe you should arrange a meet at a location know only to you or at a time known only to you. That way you know who to expect and what time to expect them. Then once there, DONT give any indication that you intend to / look as though you intend to put on a show to anyone you haven't made arrangements with.
Then, when your arranged meeting partner(s) turn(s) up, you all know where you stand.
Planning makes a big difference.
morning thrash out a few realities..first, you may have read all the rules about etiquette, signals and appropiate behaviour, thats fine, thats the fantasy out of the way..you saw the into a carpark known for dogging, and this will happen..the respectful guys will stand back, they will be full of beating a little faster, but you wont even see them..cause the others will be on you, walking around the car, peering through the windows, shining torches on their dicks, tapping on the glass, forming social circles whilst leaning on your car, trying to engage you in conversation, following you up the road, following you home, hemming you in, driving at you on full beam or parking at ninety degrees lighting you up like a christmas tree, watching you through night vision or just plain shining the torch onto your missus..ok, so you've been out twice, the majority of that is yet to happen then, but worry not, it will.
.....so what do we do..add the experience to the long list on the board?,yeah, you'll get loads of replies from the fellas saying what awfull behaviour, i'd never do that, no wonder there are no couples about that help?.well this board has been going long enough now, and despite the numerous bad etiquette stories, nothing has changed, so the answer is will your story, or mine change dogging for the better..the guys that contribute to these pages tend to be respectfull, so your replies will be predictable, giving you the impression that somehow the rude behaviour was unusual, it isnt, if you didn't encounter that on your first outing, you were lucky, thats all.
......how are you going to deal with it?.well, you could pack it in, join the other couples that put it down to experience and shut shop, but you wouldn't still be here if that was the feeling..you could change your m/o, accept that a minority will be straight on you, and do your show anyway, but, these guys wanna fuck your girl, and be first in the queue, they want to force the issue, thats why they aint waiting, you stop showing and they are gonna follow, they think that you are taking them somewhere nice and private so they can fuck her without all those slow idiots watching..you dont want that either?
.....have you noticed i've learnt how to space paragraphs now? thats why i'm overdoing it a , well do what we do..nothing, just sit and wait..they will get irritable, bored and give up on to the radio, take in the atmosphere, work out the psychology, its a great learning ground, look at the stars, whatever..you see, you call the , if and when things are right, go for it, the good guys will tend to stick around, and wont tell the pratts what you did, although it'll get out eventually..failing that, try another venue, we know of one where the guys are 100 percent respectfull, they wont tollerate twats at their venue, those that try it are soon dealt with, its a great atmosphere there, but those places are far and few between..
.....so, to sum up..dogging is great, it is sexy horny fun that will make your girl feel like the sexiest woman alive, maybe she is, i dont know her..you'll feel good too..the good guys are out there, they tend to be overlooked when the small minority of numbnuts are spreading their rules and signals, it looks good on paper, and gives us the feeling that somehow the game is structured, it isnt, its like a bloody war zone sometimes, well it is at our place, its on an army training range, well near enough anyway, bloody mortars and helicopters overhead, cant get a shag for machine gun fire somenights..you are gonna have to chill mate, the guys are in your face, but there aint much violence out there, just got their brains where their bollocks should be most of the time..get used to it quick, have fun with it, play your game not theirs, they will lose interest, that makes room for the good guys to step in..you will both love it.
.....private meets, emotive topic with the gang at the moment..give it a go by all means, but dont get your hopes too high..your next post will be a contribution on the "what a waste of time" thread, ha ha..ooh, the guys are gonna love me for that :thumbup:
.....so what do we do..add the experience to the long list on the board?,yeah, you'll get loads of replies from the fellas saying what awfull behaviour, i'd never do that, no wonder there are no couples about that help?.well this board has been going long enough now, and despite the numerous bad etiquette stories, nothing has changed, so the answer is will your story, or mine change dogging for the better..the guys that contribute to these pages tend to be respectfull, so your replies will be predictable, giving you the impression that somehow the rude behaviour was unusual, it isnt, if you didn't encounter that on your first outing, you were lucky, thats all.
......how are you going to deal with it?.well, you could pack it in, join the other couples that put it down to experience and shut shop, but you wouldn't still be here if that was the feeling..you could change your m/o, accept that a minority will be straight on you, and do your show anyway, but, these guys wanna fuck your girl, and be first in the queue, they want to force the issue, thats why they aint waiting, you stop showing and they are gonna follow, they think that you are taking them somewhere nice and private so they can fuck her without all those slow idiots watching..you dont want that either?
.....have you noticed i've learnt how to space paragraphs now? thats why i'm overdoing it a , well do what we do..nothing, just sit and wait..they will get irritable, bored and give up on to the radio, take in the atmosphere, work out the psychology, its a great learning ground, look at the stars, whatever..you see, you call the , if and when things are right, go for it, the good guys will tend to stick around, and wont tell the pratts what you did, although it'll get out eventually..failing that, try another venue, we know of one where the guys are 100 percent respectfull, they wont tollerate twats at their venue, those that try it are soon dealt with, its a great atmosphere there, but those places are far and few between..
.....so, to sum up..dogging is great, it is sexy horny fun that will make your girl feel like the sexiest woman alive, maybe she is, i dont know her..you'll feel good too..the good guys are out there, they tend to be overlooked when the small minority of numbnuts are spreading their rules and signals, it looks good on paper, and gives us the feeling that somehow the game is structured, it isnt, its like a bloody war zone sometimes, well it is at our place, its on an army training range, well near enough anyway, bloody mortars and helicopters overhead, cant get a shag for machine gun fire somenights..you are gonna have to chill mate, the guys are in your face, but there aint much violence out there, just got their brains where their bollocks should be most of the time..get used to it quick, have fun with it, play your game not theirs, they will lose interest, that makes room for the good guys to step in..you will both love it.
.....private meets, emotive topic with the gang at the moment..give it a go by all means, but dont get your hopes too high..your next post will be a contribution on the "what a waste of time" thread, ha ha..ooh, the guys are gonna love me for that :thumbup:
Sex God
They didnt sound that bad to me . What is perhaps it would help to reply if you tell us all the scenario that you had hoped for ?
Sexpert
it all seems to have changed over the last six months.
when i started as a single guy dogging most or everyone put their internal light on, just to let you know who they were. Nowadays it is the rarity!
A recent thread asked couples what they wanted the guys to do and the vast majority said they preffered the guys getting out and to walk past the car or standing near to their own so they can see who they are. this i do always.
but every situation is different and i tend to find that couples just seem to start when they want and dont give signals or lower the window, so whats a guy to do?. we walk a little nearer...still uncertain...still unsure if we are about to get some angry guy leaping out his car...and to date its not been a problem.
obviously there is always the odd moron who parks right next to the couple and stares or goes straight up to the window within seconds...this will always happen...word of mouth helps ...ie tell then to f*** off
my advice is stick with it....discuss what you really want...and prearrange meets at relatively unused car parks
when i started as a single guy dogging most or everyone put their internal light on, just to let you know who they were. Nowadays it is the rarity!
A recent thread asked couples what they wanted the guys to do and the vast majority said they preffered the guys getting out and to walk past the car or standing near to their own so they can see who they are. this i do always.
but every situation is different and i tend to find that couples just seem to start when they want and dont give signals or lower the window, so whats a guy to do?. we walk a little nearer...still uncertain...still unsure if we are about to get some angry guy leaping out his car...and to date its not been a problem.
obviously there is always the odd moron who parks right next to the couple and stares or goes straight up to the window within seconds...this will always happen...word of mouth helps ...ie tell then to f*** off
my advice is stick with it....discuss what you really want...and prearrange meets at relatively unused car parks
Casanova
I agree with DirtyDoggers 110%. I'd like to think of myself as one of the good guys (I would say that wouldn't I?) and I too get frustrated by the guys who screw it up for others.
One thing I would like to add to DD's points, is that after a little bit of "people watching", on most car parks you tend to see that someone always seems to be the "alpha male" of the doggers there. At this point you have to hope that he is one of the good guys, because if he is, and you as a couple tell him who it is who is messing your night up, and why, and tell him what he and the other good guys have missed out on as a result, then it may be the first steps towards "peer pressure" instilling some discipline amongst the bad guys on that car park.
One thing I would like to add to DD's points, is that after a little bit of "people watching", on most car parks you tend to see that someone always seems to be the "alpha male" of the doggers there. At this point you have to hope that he is one of the good guys, because if he is, and you as a couple tell him who it is who is messing your night up, and why, and tell him what he and the other good guys have missed out on as a result, then it may be the first steps towards "peer pressure" instilling some discipline amongst the bad guys on that car park.
Sex God
Quote by bigben169
Thank you for the advice, you offer some interesting perceptions to mind reading...lol
W'e're away for a few day but will be in touch through pm about other locations...
Thanks again..Ben
Just a bit curious (In question to your pm)......... Did you want to meet just you? Are you a couple or single?
S n Big G
Quote by mattius
it all seems to have changed over the last six months.
when i started as a single guy dogging most or everyone put their internal light on, just to let you know who they were. Nowadays it is the rarity!
A recent thread asked couples what they wanted the guys to do and the vast majority said they preffered the guys getting out and to walk past the car or standing near to their own so they can see who they are. this i do always.
but every situation is different and i tend to find that couples just seem to start when they want and dont give signals or lower the window, so whats a guy to do?. we walk a little nearer...still uncertain...still unsure if we are about to get some angry guy leaping out his car...and to date its not been a problem.
obviously there is always the odd moron who parks right next to the couple and stares or goes straight up to the window within seconds...this will always happen...word of mouth helps ...ie tell then to f*** off
my advice is stick with it....discuss what you really want...and prearrange meets at relatively unused car parks
...it must be difficult for you guys, really, i do appreciate the dillema you are faced with. sometimes when i post, it sounds like a scathing attack on everything and everyone associated with dogging, at such times you must think, " ole dirty, what a miserable fucker he is", well, you would be miserable too, if you had to shag my missus..
.........often the carpark sex scene appears complex, whereas, most aspects are quite simple, once you understand some of the thought processes involved, there isnt the need for rules as such, you will interact as the situation will still get it wrong on occassion, but when it all goes wrong, you'll have a clearer understanding why..you said yourself, every situation is different, which is why no couple here can give you a set of rules to adhere to.
........as one of the couples that advocate the " stand up and be seen" approach, i would say that your methods are appropiate, as do i appreciate the frustration felt when, despite your curtious handling of the situation, the resident vultures steal your prey from under you, sometimes things don't seem fair do they? certainly the more hardened couples will be less sensitive to the way guys approach, familiarity with the situation will surpress some of their defensive instincs, but good manners and sensitivity to a couples needs will always be advantageous, i'm sure you are doing that already.
Sex God
Mr D
I wont contradict owt youve said mate , but were still really unclear , unless they tell us , what this couple(if thats what they are after the PM we had from the male) actually expected or wanted from their dogging experience .
I wont contradict owt youve said mate , but were still really unclear , unless they tell us , what this couple(if thats what they are after the PM we had from the male) actually expected or wanted from their dogging experience .
what do you mean, you got a pm? how come we didn't get one? grrr, gonna have to change that avarar, mrs d's picture aint reeling em in evidently.
........can't comment on bigben's situation, you have the advantage over us there, but having now spoken to a few " couples" in a chatroom, there does seem to be a tendacy for singles to masquarede as couples in order to gain info on unadvertised locations, as an attempt in getting the confidence of another couple, so as to arrange a meet, my parter cant make it this time, but will come next time type of thing, or just the ole wank fantasy. there have been a few on here, as you mentioned before..
........can't comment on bigben's situation, you have the advantage over us there, but having now spoken to a few " couples" in a chatroom, there does seem to be a tendacy for singles to masquarede as couples in order to gain info on unadvertised locations, as an attempt in getting the confidence of another couple, so as to arrange a meet, my parter cant make it this time, but will come next time type of thing, or just the ole wank fantasy. there have been a few on here, as you mentioned before..
Sex God
and always will be mate :-)
cant decide , were torn over the avatar , we love her current one but the more pics of her we see the better lol .
cant decide , were torn over the avatar , we love her current one but the more pics of her we see the better lol .
Just to put everyone in the picture...yes we are a REAL couple!!...Not experienced mind..My PM was sent as I was away on business 2 days alone in Oxford area...Simple really!!..
As to a report to what we expected, well lets just say once my partner is warmed up she likes to have lots of varied fun...Unfortunately 2 guys faces pressed at the window like mad axe men didnt set the scene for her...
As to a report to what we expected, well lets just say once my partner is warmed up she likes to have lots of varied fun...Unfortunately 2 guys faces pressed at the window like mad axe men didnt set the scene for her...
Nobody gives signals anymore, there are too many people waiting for a local carpark, last night, there was a couple showing, not playing. They are known as a show. Newby one rolls in, gets right onto the car...then decides to try to open the door and get in....end of show, exit from car park of couple, rapidly. Had a word with the guy....decidedly thick...no chance of redemption...all couples are players....just hope he doesn't try it on with a car load of druggies...well........
Maybe if your woman wasn't ready for the scene it would have been better to try it out at an open car park....get her used to it ?
Known dogging sites are not renowned for politeness.
Maybe if your woman wasn't ready for the scene it would have been better to try it out at an open car park....get her used to it ?
Known dogging sites are not renowned for politeness.
Sex God
Still dont really understand what is was you did want from dogging then ? Not being difficult , but what would have been the right thing to happen ?
Ok, I'll try and explain how it is for newbies!
During sex we regulary tell each our fantasys, the one fantasy we both share is being found naked in the back of the car while having sex. We both agreed that once at this point of sexual arousel our inhibitions would go out the window as fast as we opened it for someone to grope.
We have spoken at length about spicing up our sex but both agreed it didnt feel right, to us anyway, to arrange meets in the traditional way with other couples. We both prefer the possible incidental meetings through carparks. My partner has also said that she may be interested to experience another girl but for the same reason this should also be an incidental meeting.
So what did we expect on the night..Well having been to the same place once before, where it seemed we parked at the wrong place, on the second occasion we hoped after parking in the correct place we would find other couples that would enlighten us on the way things worked etc, this possibily taking some pressure off us..
As things transpired we we're the only couple there, which was fine by us, although in retrespect we were after all nebies. But having read on this site how once we were comfortable we would send a signal to others to approach, we honestly felt the guys there would respect this.
Maybe in hindsight I should have simlpy told the guys to back off until we were ready, but by this point my partner was genuinly scared....She remarked after it was like a scene from the zoombie films...lol
Our ideal scenario would have been to find, spoken and maybe played with another more experienced couple there, which would hve eased my partners nerves, they may have also passed on our rules to the guys.
What would have happened on the night in question had the guys played the rules. They certainly could have watched us with our light on fcuking naked, possibily groped my partner through the window to increase her orgasim, to have done this they must be clean..(my partners top priority)..Maybe received a wank!...They would not have been allowed to fcuk my partner as we both agree this is something that we dont wish to happen...
Any thoughts?
Ben
During sex we regulary tell each our fantasys, the one fantasy we both share is being found naked in the back of the car while having sex. We both agreed that once at this point of sexual arousel our inhibitions would go out the window as fast as we opened it for someone to grope.
We have spoken at length about spicing up our sex but both agreed it didnt feel right, to us anyway, to arrange meets in the traditional way with other couples. We both prefer the possible incidental meetings through carparks. My partner has also said that she may be interested to experience another girl but for the same reason this should also be an incidental meeting.
So what did we expect on the night..Well having been to the same place once before, where it seemed we parked at the wrong place, on the second occasion we hoped after parking in the correct place we would find other couples that would enlighten us on the way things worked etc, this possibily taking some pressure off us..
As things transpired we we're the only couple there, which was fine by us, although in retrespect we were after all nebies. But having read on this site how once we were comfortable we would send a signal to others to approach, we honestly felt the guys there would respect this.
Maybe in hindsight I should have simlpy told the guys to back off until we were ready, but by this point my partner was genuinly scared....She remarked after it was like a scene from the zoombie films...lol
Our ideal scenario would have been to find, spoken and maybe played with another more experienced couple there, which would hve eased my partners nerves, they may have also passed on our rules to the guys.
What would have happened on the night in question had the guys played the rules. They certainly could have watched us with our light on fcuking naked, possibily groped my partner through the window to increase her orgasim, to have done this they must be clean..(my partners top priority)..Maybe received a wank!...They would not have been allowed to fcuk my partner as we both agree this is something that we dont wish to happen...
Any thoughts?
Ben
bigben, ta for the additional , lets look at it in a little more detail. you had an expectation of how the evening would unfold, which was formulated through reading the guidelines here, and maybe etiquette advice on other websites, ok, so you did a little homework, but although what you read was valuble and constructive, did little to prepare you for the actuality.
ok, so we have an advantage over you, experience, the good old school of hard knocks, which, has made our expectations a little more realistic than yours. the upshot being, the night that you described, as being intimidating, would to us, have been a good evening. it also is worth mentioning, the textbook scenario that you anticipated exists, we enjoy such nights often.
lets just have a look at two sectors within the dogging whole, which although a minority, seem to be the major reason for dogging disasters, and hence the biggest issue open for discussion on the board, that of the hardcore players who constitute the extreem end of the market. before i continue, let me point out that this is a generalisation only, in essence its an over simplification, but for the purpose of illustrating the point, it will do, just bear in mind, there are other variables concearned.
right, we'll refrain from describing the guys in derogatory terms, as really its relative, in that they play the game at a more extreme level. we call them arseholes because their methods often undermine the respectfull attitude of the majority and cause the more sensitive couples to flee. more often than not, these hardcore doggers will be experienced players, there may be among their ranks, apprentices, which from an early stage, decided that shows were not their interest, the agenda was sex, either being blown or fucking. their best survival would be to join the ranks of the pack players.
the couples in this sector constitute the flip-side. these couples may once have been exhibitionists, quickly escalating their game to gang-bang status. their level is of no consequence to us, other than colouring the attitude of these guys. again, through experience, these couples, as with the guys will be de-sensitised to the usual issues regarding instinctive responses, and as such, the usual rules of engagement that effect us, have little meaning to them matters not how these couples or players got there or why, but the fact is, they represent the hardcore element seen at many major venues.
ok, so there is this compatability right? couples that invite an immediate approach by participating males, and subsequently, guys that show little reserve in their quest for sexual gratification. obviously sites that have their quota of gang-bang couples, will, conversely have their attendant hardcore playing males, our venue is such a place.
now for the incompatility, and the reason why these guys are derided by the majority. first though, it should be pointed out, that whilst these guys can, and frequently do operate in a solo capacity, often their preffered method is that of the preditory pack. this offers several advatages, not least the protection afforded from the discontent majority. whilst the inexperienced, respectfull players and voyuers will refrain from a full on assult, the hardcore will storm in on the assumption that the couple will be up for it, this ensures that not only are they first in the queue, but if part of a pack, they will enjoy a manopoly on the couple, even warding off other doggers in some self appointed private orgy.
the problem arises when a new couple arrive at a location. the hardcore, unaware of the level of your game, will play their usual hand. naturally, if you are a hardened gang-bang couple, you will be undaunted by this approach, and they will enjoy first pickings. if you are players, with enough experience to be undisturbed by the forward attitude, again, there wont be much confrontation, the guys will be happy to wait until you are ready, you will be confident enough to communicate your intentions, in the knowledge you can see them through, again, there will be little hostility. the guys will however group together, there will be little chance of outsiders getting into the equasion. however, for showing couples, unless their intentions are made clear from the onset, or couples with less confidence and experience, the situation often looks too intimidating to comfortably stay, and so will often leave. the guys will assume these couples were "only" showers, their hasty departure will be of little consequence to them. it is a loss to the voyuers and respectfull players, hence the animosity.
oookay, back to you guys. in the example you cited, were the guys just voyuers, happening upon you whilst playing, then innocently assuming that you were one of the increasing number that show in the unlit gloom of your vehicle? well, i cant answer that, its out of my experience. for a more reliable insight, you need to think about the time factor involved, but its subjective. if you feel they were straight on your car, the chances favour them being hard players, if the approach was more considerate, they were probably watchers, open to the idea of involvement if the oppertunity arose. if they were the former, would they still watch?, maybe. some walk, some stick around, while others will attempt to befriend you, on the assumption that you'll become players soon.
what to do then? well, you could have sat it out. hardcore doggers are notoriously impatient, verging on the hyperactive. they dont settle long, especialy if there is an alternative venue nearby, and there isnt a scout doing the rounds. in my opinion, and jomu's if i read him right, you'de be better off at a less intense venue, where maybe a show is a once in a blue moon event. that way, at least you know the guys will be well satisfied, and the experience will be far less intimidating for you..
your other option is to visit us, where your girl can partake in a mutual flange eating excersise with mrs dirty, and an assembled doggery comprising the most respectfull wankers in the county, all in the tranquill surroundings of a woodland glade. can it get any better than that?
ok, so we have an advantage over you, experience, the good old school of hard knocks, which, has made our expectations a little more realistic than yours. the upshot being, the night that you described, as being intimidating, would to us, have been a good evening. it also is worth mentioning, the textbook scenario that you anticipated exists, we enjoy such nights often.
lets just have a look at two sectors within the dogging whole, which although a minority, seem to be the major reason for dogging disasters, and hence the biggest issue open for discussion on the board, that of the hardcore players who constitute the extreem end of the market. before i continue, let me point out that this is a generalisation only, in essence its an over simplification, but for the purpose of illustrating the point, it will do, just bear in mind, there are other variables concearned.
right, we'll refrain from describing the guys in derogatory terms, as really its relative, in that they play the game at a more extreme level. we call them arseholes because their methods often undermine the respectfull attitude of the majority and cause the more sensitive couples to flee. more often than not, these hardcore doggers will be experienced players, there may be among their ranks, apprentices, which from an early stage, decided that shows were not their interest, the agenda was sex, either being blown or fucking. their best survival would be to join the ranks of the pack players.
the couples in this sector constitute the flip-side. these couples may once have been exhibitionists, quickly escalating their game to gang-bang status. their level is of no consequence to us, other than colouring the attitude of these guys. again, through experience, these couples, as with the guys will be de-sensitised to the usual issues regarding instinctive responses, and as such, the usual rules of engagement that effect us, have little meaning to them matters not how these couples or players got there or why, but the fact is, they represent the hardcore element seen at many major venues.
ok, so there is this compatability right? couples that invite an immediate approach by participating males, and subsequently, guys that show little reserve in their quest for sexual gratification. obviously sites that have their quota of gang-bang couples, will, conversely have their attendant hardcore playing males, our venue is such a place.
now for the incompatility, and the reason why these guys are derided by the majority. first though, it should be pointed out, that whilst these guys can, and frequently do operate in a solo capacity, often their preffered method is that of the preditory pack. this offers several advatages, not least the protection afforded from the discontent majority. whilst the inexperienced, respectfull players and voyuers will refrain from a full on assult, the hardcore will storm in on the assumption that the couple will be up for it, this ensures that not only are they first in the queue, but if part of a pack, they will enjoy a manopoly on the couple, even warding off other doggers in some self appointed private orgy.
the problem arises when a new couple arrive at a location. the hardcore, unaware of the level of your game, will play their usual hand. naturally, if you are a hardened gang-bang couple, you will be undaunted by this approach, and they will enjoy first pickings. if you are players, with enough experience to be undisturbed by the forward attitude, again, there wont be much confrontation, the guys will be happy to wait until you are ready, you will be confident enough to communicate your intentions, in the knowledge you can see them through, again, there will be little hostility. the guys will however group together, there will be little chance of outsiders getting into the equasion. however, for showing couples, unless their intentions are made clear from the onset, or couples with less confidence and experience, the situation often looks too intimidating to comfortably stay, and so will often leave. the guys will assume these couples were "only" showers, their hasty departure will be of little consequence to them. it is a loss to the voyuers and respectfull players, hence the animosity.
oookay, back to you guys. in the example you cited, were the guys just voyuers, happening upon you whilst playing, then innocently assuming that you were one of the increasing number that show in the unlit gloom of your vehicle? well, i cant answer that, its out of my experience. for a more reliable insight, you need to think about the time factor involved, but its subjective. if you feel they were straight on your car, the chances favour them being hard players, if the approach was more considerate, they were probably watchers, open to the idea of involvement if the oppertunity arose. if they were the former, would they still watch?, maybe. some walk, some stick around, while others will attempt to befriend you, on the assumption that you'll become players soon.
what to do then? well, you could have sat it out. hardcore doggers are notoriously impatient, verging on the hyperactive. they dont settle long, especialy if there is an alternative venue nearby, and there isnt a scout doing the rounds. in my opinion, and jomu's if i read him right, you'de be better off at a less intense venue, where maybe a show is a once in a blue moon event. that way, at least you know the guys will be well satisfied, and the experience will be far less intimidating for you..
your other option is to visit us, where your girl can partake in a mutual flange eating excersise with mrs dirty, and an assembled doggery comprising the most respectfull wankers in the county, all in the tranquill surroundings of a woodland glade. can it get any better than that?
If the guys are "original" doggers, just out for the watching and not joining-in, they would have waited for the couple to go "down" (get on with the sex)
I cannot comment on the "pack" mentality, since I don't do talking on site and chose to not have anything to do with the "social" side of parklife, other than to notice that the "talkers" are usually not the "do-ers" and tend to be still talking while the couples are shagging.
The guys that get onto the car immediately it stops are the ones that have to get home early...the later you get into the park the better your chances of getting the more appreciative audience, the wasters would have gone home by then.
Again, the opposite view may be your preference.
All my comments, and those of others, are generalisations and may not cover every eventuality.
Your best way of looking at this is that if you expect your audience to show-up on cue and to only do things you expect them to, and when you expect them to, then it's better that you chose another game to play.
I cannot comment on the "pack" mentality, since I don't do talking on site and chose to not have anything to do with the "social" side of parklife, other than to notice that the "talkers" are usually not the "do-ers" and tend to be still talking while the couples are shagging.
The guys that get onto the car immediately it stops are the ones that have to get home early...the later you get into the park the better your chances of getting the more appreciative audience, the wasters would have gone home by then.
Again, the opposite view may be your preference.
All my comments, and those of others, are generalisations and may not cover every eventuality.
Your best way of looking at this is that if you expect your audience to show-up on cue and to only do things you expect them to, and when you expect them to, then it's better that you chose another game to play.
Sex God
There goes Dirty trying to pull for missus Dirty , with his dirty advuse mac on LOL ( only kidding mate ). Well thats cool Ben , its nice that you filled us in on the information , and your scenario seems fairly standard for the newbie dogging couple .
All of what Mr Dirty says ( as usual ) is true , and the difficulty arises when you try and set down a list of do's and donts . We have said for years that it is an impossible situation , not only would enforcing rules and regulations on a bunch of complete strangers be impossible - but in fairness even if you could you would fuck the whole experience up . You see swinging clubs , parties and the like cant be compared to dogging in most cases . The trouble lately is that dogging is seen by many as a cheap alternative to going out and making a circle of swinging friends in the conventional sense , and that was never what it was about . A huge part of its real appeal is the downright unpredictability and seediness of it . Along with the seediness and surprise aspect of the scene must also come a certain element of risk - wether that be of meeting someone unpleasant or of the evening not being enjoyable , or of meeting nobody at all .
Its supposed to be 'out there' and unorganised . It supposed to be strangers in a darkened carpark , its supposed to be risky and illicit . Whenever it stops being those things it is just swinging in a draughty environment .
Im not having a pop at your lady , in fact Silky screamed like a girl possesed the first time a dogger crept up to her window and she wasnt ready ( and we were both seasoned swingers at that time in other areas of the swinging world) . The difference is it didnt put her off , after she calmed down she found it first amusing and then a turn on .
Dogging the way its spoken about here often makes it seem almost a less difficult option for those new to swinging , but its far from that and in fact id say the opposite is true and you need quite some resolve to get pleasure from it . Many of the people on this board prefer arranging meets and knowing they are safe , talking at length and getting to know their doggers and building a relationship with them . We dont judge them as long as they are having fun , but that isnt really what dogging is about , and to expect polite and gentlemanly doggers all the time is to set yourself up for dissapointment .
Advise ? Well for what its worth id say that perhaps a club would be a better starting point for you and your good lady , you can still maintain anonimity if you wish , but have the safety net of rules and management to help her relax .
Hope That helps a bit anyway , and good luck with it all.
All of what Mr Dirty says ( as usual ) is true , and the difficulty arises when you try and set down a list of do's and donts . We have said for years that it is an impossible situation , not only would enforcing rules and regulations on a bunch of complete strangers be impossible - but in fairness even if you could you would fuck the whole experience up . You see swinging clubs , parties and the like cant be compared to dogging in most cases . The trouble lately is that dogging is seen by many as a cheap alternative to going out and making a circle of swinging friends in the conventional sense , and that was never what it was about . A huge part of its real appeal is the downright unpredictability and seediness of it . Along with the seediness and surprise aspect of the scene must also come a certain element of risk - wether that be of meeting someone unpleasant or of the evening not being enjoyable , or of meeting nobody at all .
Its supposed to be 'out there' and unorganised . It supposed to be strangers in a darkened carpark , its supposed to be risky and illicit . Whenever it stops being those things it is just swinging in a draughty environment .
Im not having a pop at your lady , in fact Silky screamed like a girl possesed the first time a dogger crept up to her window and she wasnt ready ( and we were both seasoned swingers at that time in other areas of the swinging world) . The difference is it didnt put her off , after she calmed down she found it first amusing and then a turn on .
Dogging the way its spoken about here often makes it seem almost a less difficult option for those new to swinging , but its far from that and in fact id say the opposite is true and you need quite some resolve to get pleasure from it . Many of the people on this board prefer arranging meets and knowing they are safe , talking at length and getting to know their doggers and building a relationship with them . We dont judge them as long as they are having fun , but that isnt really what dogging is about , and to expect polite and gentlemanly doggers all the time is to set yourself up for dissapointment .
Advise ? Well for what its worth id say that perhaps a club would be a better starting point for you and your good lady , you can still maintain anonimity if you wish , but have the safety net of rules and management to help her relax .
Hope That helps a bit anyway , and good luck with it all.
:lol: :lol:Hi,
im a 31yr old guy from Essex, im looking for couples to watch & perhaps join in with in the Essex area.
My big frustration by the dogging locations is that they are filled up with gays, and rude and aggressive men.
If you are looking for some fun, where limits and expectations are respected, then please drop me an email, and hopefully we can get together and have some fun.
I hope to hear from you soon,
best wishes
Brigsey
im a 31yr old guy from Essex, im looking for couples to watch & perhaps join in with in the Essex area.
My big frustration by the dogging locations is that they are filled up with gays, and rude and aggressive men.
If you are looking for some fun, where limits and expectations are respected, then please drop me an email, and hopefully we can get together and have some fun.
I hope to hear from you soon,
best wishes
Brigsey
