which part of london are you in? i'm going out to one or two recommended spots in NW london tonight - my first outing - so if this area is of use I can let you know how it goes! I expect to: a) read loads of my book "Perfume" b) get to know a lot of other doggers c) fail to get relief of my extreme horniness built up all week and starting to flip me into autopilot, so much for free will for a while ;-) d) not be disappointed Have fun everyone. I'm very encouraged by my chat with a regular dogger at Raqs on Friday tho, so I will persevere for a while. He recommended me two spots in this area and seems to have got to know and meet up with several couples quite easily. Good luck Mark