Yes.
Exactly.
Just sitting quietly, doing nothing, when I get accosted by a member of the law-enforcing agency....Q&A session....then calmly told that the local force is considering getting ASBOs' out to stop the car-park-crawlers...said, "what for" ?
and "what am I doing wrong that justifies that" ?
Then got told that I don't need to be doing anything wrong, just that my actions may be giving others cause for distress.
Crap.
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That's absolute bollocks and they only said it to you to scare you off 
I work part time with the local council and Police force and Magistrates Court and have sat on a number of panels where ASBO's have been served to both adults and juveniles.
Believe me, it takes a damn sight more than sitting in a car park to even be considered for an ASBO, let alone have one served on you :small-print:
There are many things to be taken into consideration before an ASBO is served, so don't worry about it.
I've never heard of one being issued for sitting in a car :shock: :undecided:
Tracy-Jayne
I work part time with the local council and Police force and Magistrates Court and have sat on a number of panels where ASBO's have been served to both adults and juveniles.
Believe me, it takes a damn sight more than sitting in a car park to even be considered for an ASBO, let alone have one served on you :small-print:
There are many things to be taken into consideration before an ASBO is served, so don't worry about it.
I've never heard of one being issued for sitting in a car :shock: :undecided:
Tracy-Jayne
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Yeah its nonsense J mate , I HOPE they try one on us . Id dearly love to get the compensation after court !
yeah, fuck em..i would have grabbed the packet of cheese and onion crisps off his dashboard, crushed them then popped the bag mate..the recruitment standards are falling all the time, and with many of them now, if their brains were made of dynamite, they wouldn't have enough to blow their helmets off.
recently, we were caught bang to rights. the copper said he wouldn't report it if he got a shag. he must have twigged that i was more than a little apprehensive, and asked me what the problem was..i replied that i'd never fucked a copper before..that wiped the smile off his face
anyway, its hard to take that crap seriously, and i'm sure you didn't..but it does get your back up..in fact, i've just demolished my house with a sledge hammer contimplating the implications..i'm now sitting admidst a pile of rubble in my underpants typing this, and getting a few strange looks from passing pedestrians i can tell you :shock:
recently, we were caught bang to rights. the copper said he wouldn't report it if he got a shag. he must have twigged that i was more than a little apprehensive, and asked me what the problem was..i replied that i'd never fucked a copper before..that wiped the smile off his face
anyway, its hard to take that crap seriously, and i'm sure you didn't..but it does get your back up..in fact, i've just demolished my house with a sledge hammer contimplating the implications..i'm now sitting admidst a pile of rubble in my underpants typing this, and getting a few strange looks from passing pedestrians i can tell you :shock:
Warming the Bed
There was an article in Metro (free rag they give out atstations in the morning in the London area, no idea if it's more widespread thanthat), anyway, in this there was an article earlier in the week where a Chief Constable or similar was saying that their force was considering ASBOs to curb dogging/gay cruising, if my memory of it serves me correctly.
I can't be 100% sure of which area they were talking about, and I should have kept the paper and mentioned it here earlier but it slipped my mind. Someone else on here might recall more details.
But if you think that's bad, wait till the sods get the ID cards law going. You'll need to flash that everytime you do anything!!
I can't be 100% sure of which area they were talking about, and I should have kept the paper and mentioned it here earlier but it slipped my mind. Someone else on here might recall more details.
But if you think that's bad, wait till the sods get the ID cards law going. You'll need to flash that everytime you do anything!!
Sample:
The defendant is prohibited from:
Soliciting or loitering in any road, street or public place for the purposes of prostitution.
Committing any lewd or obscene act in any public place.
Entering the areas bounded by and including , as shown on the map annexed.
Site:
This sounds boringly familiar.
Reading Motorcycle news this week....asbos' for agressive driving ?
And: An asbo for a woman who kept answering the frontdoor in her knickers...
The defendant is prohibited from:
Soliciting or loitering in any road, street or public place for the purposes of prostitution.
Committing any lewd or obscene act in any public place.
Entering the areas bounded by and including , as shown on the map annexed.
Site:
This sounds boringly familiar.
Reading Motorcycle news this week....asbos' for agressive driving ?
And: An asbo for a woman who kept answering the frontdoor in her knickers...
Warming the Bed
This woman..they wouldn't happen to have printed her address? Only I have a lot of post for her that's been misdelivered...
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This woman..they wouldn't happen to have printed her address? Only I have a lot of post for her that's been misdelivered...
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
having just read jomu's link, it looks as though the police might be looking at dogging in the same context as kerb-crawling? or am i seeing that incorrectly? which kinda makes it one of those impractible laws such as marching little louts to atm machines in order to pay on the spot fines? i'm always way out of my depth on these matters of legality, so i'll leave it to the collective judicial brains to clarify our games legal status..but it does look like asbo's are seen as brownie points for government to pacify the people by trotting out the statistics, ie, asbo's served, equates to a better safer britain, that being the case, hitting targets of least resistance would be seen as most productive.
it would also suggest, that 100's of asbo's could be served at raves, and boy-racers in dogging sites could soon be a thing of the past? yeah yeah, i was kidding :lol:
I've been reading about this stuff.
It seems that the usual rules of evidence don't apply, as such.
There seems to only a need to prove a NEED for an asbo to be issued to prevent a NUISANCE occurring. As such, it seems that only a few people need complain for the issue of said asbo to be approved.
There is also no right of appeal against the issue, it would seem that if you disagree with it (if you are the subject) your only way of forcing the issue would be to ignore that would be a criminal offence, for which normal rules of law apply, as such you would then be able to challenge the things.
There is a whole load of guidance on the issue of asbos'.....read it yourself..... ....but reading about those issued to date, it would also seem that in many of those issued the guidance seems to have been ignored.
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It seems that the usual rules of evidence don't apply, as such.
There seems to only a need to prove a NEED for an asbo to be issued to prevent a NUISANCE occurring. As such, it seems that only a few people need complain for the issue of said asbo to be approved.
There is also no right of appeal against the issue, it would seem that if you disagree with it (if you are the subject) your only way of forcing the issue would be to ignore that would be a criminal offence, for which normal rules of law apply, as such you would then be able to challenge the things.
There is a whole load of guidance on the issue of asbos'.....read it yourself..... ....but reading about those issued to date, it would also seem that in many of those issued the guidance seems to have been ignored.
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Quote by jomu
It seems that the usual rules of evidence don't apply, as such.
There seems to only a need to prove a NEED for an asbo to be issued to prevent a NUISANCE occurring. As such, it seems that only a few people need complain for the issue of said asbo to be approved.
There is also no right of appeal against the issue, it would seem that if you disagree with it (if you are the subject) your only way of forcing the issue would be to ignore it.
Jomu forgive me saying it mate, but you really seem to be panicking about sod all
The proof of NEED for an ASBO to be issued is actually quite high.
First the police, local council and several other agencies have to work together in establshing that the said person has caused and will continue to cause, distress/harm/various problems, if not served with the ASBO by way of restraint.
If they were issued willy nilly as you are suggesting they will be on doggers, why do you think those of the criminal faction do not have them served left, right and centre?
The woman you mention having one issued for answering the door in her knickers would have also displayed other behaviour likely to cause distress or harm.
You make it sound like something in The Sun by suggesting it was issued "only for answering the door in her knicks" :roll:
There is more to it than that, but of course, like the tabloids press, you have chosen to pick out the titilating bits for effect
I know from first hand experience that when someone has their name put forward for an ASBO, it is only done after a continued and sustained behaviour pattern which causes distress or physical harm to other people or property.
Being caught in a car park sitting in your car would not get you an ASBO :!:
However, if on the other hand, you have a string of convictions after being caught dogging and prosecuted for it, THEN you may be considered for an ASBO. This would then show your behaviour pattern and probable intent to continue such behaviour if not restrained.
Contrary to what you say, one can appeal against the issuing of an ASBO and many have done so.
We have a juvenile here in Dorset who has taken his appeal as far as the European Court of Human Rights. They didn't lift his ASBO, but it demonstrates that there is the right to appeal against having one issued against you.
Incidentaly, it took various agencies over two years to gain the ASBO for this youth in the first place. They are not issued on the spot ffs!
Two years of hard graft for us to have the order issued and his appeal started even before it was served on him
Personally I think you seem to be on a downer of late. If dogging causes you so much misery, why not give it up and take up dominoes instead :roll:
Tracy-Jayne
I thought about that last night, after staring into the lights of yet another law car...the third in as many hours.
And I'm not getting in a panick.
Just peed off.
I'll probably read in next sundays free toilet paper about several old ladies getting mugged last night in their houses.... While the law were patrolling carparks to deter people enjoying themselves.
Oh well, time for an expedition.
What will it be, Brighton next weekend ?
Or maybe Lincs....
I'll see what pennies are available.........
And I'm not getting in a panick.
Just peed off.
I'll probably read in next sundays free toilet paper about several old ladies getting mugged last night in their houses.... While the law were patrolling carparks to deter people enjoying themselves.
Oh well, time for an expedition.
What will it be, Brighton next weekend ?
Or maybe Lincs....
I'll see what pennies are available.........
Sex God
Quote by jomu
I'll probably read in next sundays free toilet paper about several old ladies getting mugged last night in their houses.... While the law were patrolling carparks to deter people enjoying themselves.
Or look at it another way . . . they may patrol known spots to deter thieves and muggers, rapists, boy racers and so on.
After all, it wouldn't be the first time you've read about someone being beaten up and robbed in remote spots either would it?
Still got your chin on the floor I see :dry:
T-J
Lets hope you get lucky tonight. You might cheer up a bit then
if ASBOs are the end product of a long chain of events, then it would indeed seem that doggers being banned from carparks en-masse for a pre-determined period of time would be unlikely.
carparks known for nocturnal perversion, can however, at times, be almost carnival like in atmosphere, with every car entering, irrespective of whether the occupants consist of kiddies wanting a wee wee on the way back from the seaside, being accosted by sausage weilding fast flange seeking numbnuts. naturally, the police are going to take an interest.
the police patrol known, and potential trouble spots nightly, remote carparks happen to be within those parameters, and as such, will at some time recieve a such a visit, mostly however, in our experience, the visit is merely a drive-through patrol.
there seems to me, and again, these are only our own observations, that the more attentive visits fall into two catogories. the first, being as a result of a directive, the officers, irrespective of opinion regarding dogging, acting in accordance to the guidelines set out, usually in the form of taking down registration numbers, personal details and asking people to leave the carpark.
the second, being on the initiative of the officers, who, whilst on patrol, but being of a certain character will endeavour to amuse themselves and verify the power their position bestows by harrassing people unlikely to protest or resist..when acting in a solo capacity, or accompanied by a like minded or subordinate colleage and away from the restraining influence of multiple comrades, these are often the encounters that we percieve as being somewhat outside the envelope regarding the authority they insinuate. in such circumstances, and within an envioronment unlikely to produce hostillity, these officers are able to vent their egos and bear witness to their power in a manner that a similar oppertunistic visit to location known for bare knuckle fights within an irish travellers site would be unlikely to produce.
for example.
illustration one.
policeman enters dogging site, 60 percent of cars immediatly vacate the carpark. when questioned, assuming the dogger is married and employed, he will act subserviantly and politely. if asked to leave, he will usually do so without complaint..if the officers authority is brought to question, he will usually make things difficult for the happless motorist with the threat of producers etc..this treatment is less often dished out to couples, as the threat of marital disruption is absent thus depriving the officer of his pschological advantage.
illustration two.
policeman drives into irish travellers site, parks amongst spectators to a fight over family honour. policeman is dragged from car, debagged and said trousers set alight. meanwhile, his panda is systematically dissassembled and the blue light inserted into his now bare bottom.
the question is this. whilst few would dissagree that appropiate policing of carparks is welcome and neccessary, is this policing, at times, disproportionate to the actual amount of crime experienced in such venues? both as a result of policing policy and the actions of individual officers. if jomu witnessed three visits in as many hours, then unless his venue had a particularly high incidence of actual, or anticipated crime, then this would appear to be an unbalanced use of resources? whether these visits were official or oppertunistic is a different matter, and if they were the latter, then maybe there is a case for harrasment? like i said earlier, i'm out of my depth with matters of officialdom, and there may be no such case to answer, but i do know of a copper that had to give an official appology to a dogger that insisted on taking the matter to the police station..
carparks known for nocturnal perversion, can however, at times, be almost carnival like in atmosphere, with every car entering, irrespective of whether the occupants consist of kiddies wanting a wee wee on the way back from the seaside, being accosted by sausage weilding fast flange seeking numbnuts. naturally, the police are going to take an interest.
the police patrol known, and potential trouble spots nightly, remote carparks happen to be within those parameters, and as such, will at some time recieve a such a visit, mostly however, in our experience, the visit is merely a drive-through patrol.
there seems to me, and again, these are only our own observations, that the more attentive visits fall into two catogories. the first, being as a result of a directive, the officers, irrespective of opinion regarding dogging, acting in accordance to the guidelines set out, usually in the form of taking down registration numbers, personal details and asking people to leave the carpark.
the second, being on the initiative of the officers, who, whilst on patrol, but being of a certain character will endeavour to amuse themselves and verify the power their position bestows by harrassing people unlikely to protest or resist..when acting in a solo capacity, or accompanied by a like minded or subordinate colleage and away from the restraining influence of multiple comrades, these are often the encounters that we percieve as being somewhat outside the envelope regarding the authority they insinuate. in such circumstances, and within an envioronment unlikely to produce hostillity, these officers are able to vent their egos and bear witness to their power in a manner that a similar oppertunistic visit to location known for bare knuckle fights within an irish travellers site would be unlikely to produce.
for example.
illustration one.
policeman enters dogging site, 60 percent of cars immediatly vacate the carpark. when questioned, assuming the dogger is married and employed, he will act subserviantly and politely. if asked to leave, he will usually do so without complaint..if the officers authority is brought to question, he will usually make things difficult for the happless motorist with the threat of producers etc..this treatment is less often dished out to couples, as the threat of marital disruption is absent thus depriving the officer of his pschological advantage.
illustration two.
policeman drives into irish travellers site, parks amongst spectators to a fight over family honour. policeman is dragged from car, debagged and said trousers set alight. meanwhile, his panda is systematically dissassembled and the blue light inserted into his now bare bottom.
the question is this. whilst few would dissagree that appropiate policing of carparks is welcome and neccessary, is this policing, at times, disproportionate to the actual amount of crime experienced in such venues? both as a result of policing policy and the actions of individual officers. if jomu witnessed three visits in as many hours, then unless his venue had a particularly high incidence of actual, or anticipated crime, then this would appear to be an unbalanced use of resources? whether these visits were official or oppertunistic is a different matter, and if they were the latter, then maybe there is a case for harrasment? like i said earlier, i'm out of my depth with matters of officialdom, and there may be no such case to answer, but i do know of a copper that had to give an official appology to a dogger that insisted on taking the matter to the police station..
Sex God
Jomu causes me distress. I get distressed that he is getting more dogging fun that me
From what I read in my paper ASBO's get served on complete nightmare people, not us fun loving law abiding folks.
Regards
Harry Jones
From what I read in my paper ASBO's get served on complete nightmare people, not us fun loving law abiding folks.
Regards
Harry Jones
Sex God
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From what I read in my paper ASBO's get served on complete nightmare people, not us fun loving law abiding folks.
Regards
Harry Jones
Thanks Harry. That's kinda what I was trying to say, but got it a bit long winded
T-J
The discussion rolls on.................
Info: The Greater Manchester area has issued the largest amount of ASBOs' in the uk....by miles...604 by 1/3/05.
Examples of anti-social behaviour that can be tackled by ASBOs and ABCs includes:
Harassment of residents or passers-by
Verbal abuse
Criminal damage
Vandalism
Noise nuisance
Writing graffiti
Engaging in threatening behaviour in large groups
Racial abuse
Smoking or drinking alcohol while under age
That's the home office speaking above, not me.
Who cares...no law in the layby tonight...but three couples were..one young and active, one middle aged and active and one where the guy was tv-ing it and the woman watched..and another pair drove in and out...they'll be back..
asboseeing you lot after I've had my beauty sleep...it's a bit early..
Oh, and the SH system clock is wrong !
Info: The Greater Manchester area has issued the largest amount of ASBOs' in the uk....by miles...604 by 1/3/05.
Examples of anti-social behaviour that can be tackled by ASBOs and ABCs includes:
Harassment of residents or passers-by
Verbal abuse
Criminal damage
Vandalism
Noise nuisance
Writing graffiti
Engaging in threatening behaviour in large groups
Racial abuse
Smoking or drinking alcohol while under age
That's the home office speaking above, not me.
Who cares...no law in the layby tonight...but three couples were..one young and active, one middle aged and active and one where the guy was tv-ing it and the woman watched..and another pair drove in and out...they'll be back..
asboseeing you lot after I've had my beauty sleep...it's a bit early..
Oh, and the SH system clock is wrong !
JOMU
You hit the nail on the head there.
The list of things that an ASBO ....CAN BE ISSUED.....
the word CAN....
There is a law that has covered this and every other situation and it has been in force for years........BREACH OF THE PEACE......
all one needs to do is conduct likely to cause fear and/or alarm....to members of the public
anyways, think the coppers are right to patrol car parks, I did, (some years back tho) Its the idiots and numpty's that bugger off and then complain.
my twopence worth..
cheers
B
xxx
You hit the nail on the head there.
The list of things that an ASBO ....CAN BE ISSUED.....
the word CAN....
There is a law that has covered this and every other situation and it has been in force for years........BREACH OF THE PEACE......
all one needs to do is conduct likely to cause fear and/or alarm....to members of the public
anyways, think the coppers are right to patrol car parks, I did, (some years back tho) Its the idiots and numpty's that bugger off and then complain.
my twopence worth..
cheers
B
xxx
Yes, the "evidence" has to be submitted to a magistrates court, sitting in its civil role.
Anyway, as I said.......crap............one of the guys (sitting in his gay role) a bit further down the carpark used to be a councillor........
Of more concern to me are the potholes in the layby.......I must have a word with the ex-councillor....
Anyway, as I said.......crap............one of the guys (sitting in his gay role) a bit further down the carpark used to be a councillor........
Of more concern to me are the potholes in the layby.......I must have a word with the ex-councillor....
Considering the number of stories on here about people having trouble with idiots whilst dogging, do you not think it'd be a good idea to just stop doing it? I don't get the appeal of dogging really, aside from the obvious "quick free shag" appeal to single guys.. It's easy for someone to say "I'm not harming anyone by doing what I do" and it's true, you aren't, but the fact is there's a lot of stupid people about, and the second some eejit throws a brick through the window of a car that's a problem "causing fear or alarm to members of the public" (ie YOU) and a problem for the police who have to fill out reports, take statements etc, and that is why they would try and crack down on dogging.
Perhaps the police are just trying to protect you. If you just did it in a hotel or somewhere the problem wouldn't be there. You can't have it both ways, you either take the risk of nutters/idiots and police as part of the deal or don't do it at all.
Perhaps the police are just trying to protect you. If you just did it in a hotel or somewhere the problem wouldn't be there. You can't have it both ways, you either take the risk of nutters/idiots and police as part of the deal or don't do it at all.
I don't mean that, I think if you want to do it then do it. I just mean, you take the bad stuff with the good. If by dogging you create possible problems for yourself then you have to think "ok, I like it enough that I can take the risk of being attacked, or arrested or whatever"
You can't really complain about the police for attempting to stop crime, or questioning you for loitering of whatever. I don't think asbo's is the way to sort it out though. maybe you should organise your own security, but then I guess it wouldn't be that fun without a little bit of danger.
You can't really complain about the police for attempting to stop crime, or questioning you for loitering of whatever. I don't think asbo's is the way to sort it out though. maybe you should organise your own security, but then I guess it wouldn't be that fun without a little bit of danger.
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Yes.
Exactly.
Just sitting quietly, doing nothing, when I get accosted by a member of the law-enforcing agency....Q&A session....then calmly told that the local force is considering getting ASBOs' out to stop the car-park-crawlers...said, "what for" ?
and "what am I doing wrong that justifies that" ?
Then got told that I don't need to be doing anything wrong, just that my actions may be giving others cause for distress.
Crap.
I drove to a secluded car park alone eager to see some action one Summers day, as I sat there I watched numerous vehicles come and go over a thirty minute period, then, a police car arrived to check if there was anyone breaking the law.
By that time I was fed up with seeing no action, so I got my folding table and chair out and proceeded to have a drink and a sandwich, after checking all the other cars, the police came round past me and as he looked over to see me eating and drinking sat alone, his face was a picture and I raised my cup of coffee to him, he smiled and drove on. I never saw what I had gone there for, but I enjoyed the view from the car park.
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