Definition of Dogging?

13 Sep 2005

Over the last few days we have had some really good posts on here :shock: talking about what to wear, what not wear, how you would react if someone walked away etc etc (its been like the good old days) so I thought I would ask what, in your opinion, is the true definition of dogging?
I know that from our point of view, dogging as always been about going out and the two of us having fun in or around the car knowing that we are being watched and hopefully the doggers will be playing with themselves. We have always said we are not into pre-arranged meets and would rather just go out and take our chances on there being someone around.
However, things have started to change a little for us and recently we have done pre-arranged meets :shock: and have started to be more involved in the playing, so at this moment in time I am not sure how I would define dogging. Whether it be showing, watching, light playing or even full sex!
So come on, what is dogging to you! If a complete stranger asked you to define it, what would you say?
And if anyone points me to the little blue tab at the top of the page I will scream lol

13 Sep 2005

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(its been like the good old days)

You should have been here last night Mrs Wiggy, I used banghead

and :doh: lol

Anyway, back to the question:
For me, it's like being 16 again and seeing things I shouldn't really be seeing but having a vague permission to see - like when I had a Saturday job at a newsagent and snuck home a copy of a dodgy porn mag and Forum, I shouldn't have had them but I was in the stockroom so kind of had permission to see them! redface

:lol:
It's also a bit like when you used to play hide and seek as a kid, you were all excited because you'd found the best place to hide but could see the others, you're tucked away, stifling a giggle and nearly wetting yourself at the fear/thrill of being caught. It's hard to translate that into adult terms but it's just the erotic thrill of being party to something private in a no names/ no chat environment. I like the idea of chancing upon someone who vaguelt knows I'm there but is too lost in the moment to care.
Oh, it made sense in my head!! :lol:

13 Sep 2005

14 Sep 2005

'One picture is worth ten thousand words'
Frederick R. Barnard in Printer's Ink, 8 Dec 1921.

14 Sep 2005

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Never buy those dented cans with no labels at the supermarket again G! :twisted:

14 Sep 2005

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So come on, what is dogging to you! If a complete stranger asked you to define it, what would you say?
And if anyone points me to the little blue tab at the top of the page I will scream

When we were kids some 40 years ago it was called touting as nobody had cars. It would entail being in area's used by courting couples and in those days being able to run away too;-) We are also into photography now and our little camera allows us to see our nights enjoyment on the giant TV as well as storing it on computer cd;-)
old couple

14 Sep 2005

Wasting petrol sitting around for hours freezing to death in dark for nothing
Or totally brilliant fun with strangers and lots of pleasure depending on what sort of night Ive had
Or great fun with friends with plenty of laughs, all depends on what happens.
Way petrol prices are going I'm scuppered though sad

15 Sep 2005

Didn't Dirty post an opus in here.......or am I hallucinating? (in which case, why aren't I hallucinating about something with dirty pictures?) :huh: biggrin

15 Sep 2005

dirty did indeed post something, you didn't imagine it at all lol

it was long, even by my stardards, and kinda said what i meant..but oh dear, it was just soo boring..i lived with it for 5 minutes, then decided i was talking a lot, but as usual, saying very little..chimpanzees do much the same thing :lol: and of course, i was very, very drunk redface

each time i wan't to contribute to this one, my mind shoots off in a million directions at once..the question is too big.."what pants to wear dogging"? i can handle, but what is the "definition of dogging"? phewie
as for opinion, urm...
let me say this...we drive into the woods and park up..a little touchy feely starts the chemistry between us, and soon we are panting with lust as we grapple with eachothers clothes, ripping them off and discarding them with carefree abandonment. the naughtiness of the situation sets us giggling, and outside, we are aware of the shadowy figures now congragating at the window. our passion for eachover is greater than the arousal dampening effect of self consciousness, as mrs dirty wraps her oh so long legs around my back..a face stares in, his hands cupped to the glass and his nose distorted..mrs d makes a comical remark about bank robbers, my face falls against hers as we both stiffle our sniggers..when our excitement reaches boiling point, we both collapse, the figures return from whence they came..the gesture of a wave as we leave says it all...
probably that would be the traditional view of dogging as it was when evolving from the non-consentual pastime of "pimping" or "touting" maybe? for me, dogging is so much more than a definition, more an attitude of mind..sadly, the fast food, fast life era has discovered carpark sex, and those subtleties are being undermined in the persuit of "fast flange" and "labia to go"..ultimately its the guys loss though..the spirit of dogging will always reside in a percentage of people, both now, and in the future..as it always has might have to change our tactic slightly to give those desires expression, but we do not have to compromise. carpark eroticism, wether showing, or disceet participation as an expression of sexuality will always survive, wether the same can be said for the latest
trend of "hot dogging" remains to be seen.
we recently mentioned that we might be changing our gameplay..that is true, and has come about through three or four experiences..not bad, but erotic..although quite unconnected to what we would term "organized dogging"..that isn't to say we are fed up in any way regarding the current situation..we're not..it has been, and continues to be fun..our change would be a diversion, maybe a fine tuning, maybe a subtler form of the game we now play, we'll discuss it here, now, would make this post way to long, then i would delete it again :lol:
but if you saw my post last night serendipity, and want to follow up on any of the comments i made, feel free to discuss..it wasn't the content that made me wipe it, no, it was the fact it was all over the place again :lol: :lol: when i was half way through, i couldn't even recall the question...i thought it was about "touting" then realised that was something "oldcouple" had said surprised

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16 Sep 2005

I love these BIG questions. This one is up there with "Why are we Here?"!!
My view on dogging, rom the single guy viewpoint, is turning up for eroticism, watching a couple play with the bonus coming if participation can follow.
All of the people I have met recently have been really nice (couples and single guys alike) and I know NWG probably think this......the definition of dogging may now have evolved for the real doggers to incorporate the social side of things.
Its hard to come up with a definition in one sentence as everyone has their own limits - so it is different things for different people.
On a social note - has NWG invited Serendipity to the Wigan Munch???? It would be supa dupa to see her there!!!!!

16 Sep 2005

And not a single mention of a dog anywhere !
Has anyone ever seen someone turn up.. with a dog... on a lead??? dunno

16 Sep 2005

Yeah I guess Mr D is right , the question is very big and virtualy unanswerable . In fact it crosses my mind that its trying to answer questions like that which can spoil a perfectly fun pastime . Dont get me wrong Mrs Wigan its a great question , and Im not having a go for at you for asking it . I just reckon that like alot of abstract ideas and fantasies that are fun and amusing and exciting - if you analyze them too much you remove all their effectiveness.
Thats really why I always dislike people listing 'guidelines' or 'etiquette' or worse 'rules' of dogging . Its a thing that appeals to people for so many different reasons , and more importantly its part of a bigger-much bigger picture . Many long term members of what is loosely known as the 'swinging community' have expressed over the past few years that the scene isnt what it used to be . This applies as much if not more specifically to dogging . My theory of why its not what it used to be is simple - its not as naughty ! A huge part of what makes many sexual activities appealing is their forbidden and seedy aspect , and like it or not no one is as shocked any more about carpark liasons or swinging clubs . they are becoming routine parts of a rapidly changing society . Taking away the aspect of these activities removes a large part of the excitement for many . It also means many who previously wouldnt have even come near to having the courage to attempt them feel just about comfortable enough to try them , but they arent comfortable unless they can try their version of what is swinging or dogging . So they want rules and regulations so that they can assuage their doubts about what they are doing right or what other participants are doing wrong . In applying such rigidity to what are supposed to be spontaneous situations they simply succeed in homogenising and watering down the very excitements that they found so facinating .
In truth fantasies are best if they remain so for the majority and are acted out by only just enough rare individuals to confirm their believabilty - as soon as they become common they become routine and dull .
In answer to the question for us dogging is an exciting mix of exhibitionist thrill , pride in showing off our sexual freedom and desire for each other . Showing others that we can be so comfortable in each others sensual moments as to share it and gain sexual excitement from their desire . Also it should be seedy and tacky and risky as well as meaningless to all those involved except for us . For them it is simply a chance sexual spectacle and for us a demonstration of our sexual liberation without the need for exchange of bodily fluids with anyone but each other . Voyeurs ( the true ones) and exhibitionists are the ultimate form of safe consensual sexual gratification . When my love displays herself for a stranger she does it for herself and feels her sexual power in their desire , she feels the desire from me and she also does it for me as she knows it excites me to display how lucky I am to have such a desirable and sensual creature as she as my partner . Every man wants to believe that women are capable of total sexual abandonment and lust , and the display in carparks goes some way to suggest that the woman involved is the embodiment of that fantasy .
We still like to show and most times its still fun , we like to try and make sure its fun for everyone else involved as well - but most of all dogging for us is about us and some of the greatest most sexually charged evenings dogging we have ever had have been when no one else has shown up .
I guess thats an opus too
Peace

16 Sep 2005

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I just reckon that like alot of abstract ideas and fantasies that are fun and amusing and exciting - if you analyze them too much you remove all their effectiveness.

Maybe that is part of the problem with the way dogging seems to be potrayed lately and perhaps me questionning it is a sign that I am also falling into the trap of questionning where my boundaries are.

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My theory of why its not what it used to be is simple - its not as naughty ! A huge part of what makes many sexual activities appealing is their forbidden and seedy aspect , and like it or not no one is as shocked any more about carpark liasons or swinging clubs

Again, this also worries me (only when I am a bit bored and nothing else to think about) but people are no longer shocked by things like dogging. If someone had told me about this a couple of years ago, I would have been in a state of shock, I would never believe it happened and would have thought it was the imagination of some very randy old men who went out looking for sex cause they had nothing better to do. Now I think it is naughty, errotic, sexy and most of all, makes Mr naughty and myself feel like we are something special because we share this fantastic thing, this big secret which share with a couple of thousand other people on here, but which is the last thing our real life friends would ever expect us to be involved in. Is it me 'growing up' or is the attitude to sex and everything else changing behond all recognition?

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In answer to the question for us dogging is an exciting mix of exhibitionist thrill , pride in showing off our sexual freedom and desire for each other . Showing others that we can be so comfortable in each others sensual moments as to share it and gain sexual excitement from their desire.

For me, that is what dogging is about, but the general conscencous, (in my opinion which has been derived from the numerous posts asking for a dogging meets) is that dogging no longer seems to be about showing, and it now seems to be that loads of doggers 'expect' participation as the norm. Have things moved on too much, will the couples be expected to move on as well? If we only want to show, will we be left on our own at the end of the car park as no-one wants to watch the 'pervy' couple who does not want all twenty of the other doggers to join in? We have already taken the next step (discussed in great detail for hours and hours before we did it) but just how far are couples 'expected' to go before a dogging turns into a free for all and is changed to full outdoor swinging?
I always remember the post by Silk and Big G which said just dont take it serously, maybe that is half the problem, I think too much!
Silk and Big G, Dipy, Mr D, Drexx, Harry, Old couple and JTS kiss

Postie

17 Sep 2005

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I always remember the post by Silk and Big G which said just dont take it serously, maybe that is half the problem, I think too much!

Dont go changing xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

20 Sep 2005

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My theory of why its not what it used to be is simple - its not as naughty !

If we were looking for one line to sum up the definition of the decline of dogging, there it is gang....totally spot on! It's not as naughty, it's almost become something to be ticked off a sexual To Do list! I can't say when it started, as I am the one person in the country who didn't hear about Stan Collymore but I imagine it became a mainstream phrase and topic of discussion as soon as it hit the red tops!

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For me, that is what dogging is about, but the general conscencous, (in my opinion which has been derived from the numerous posts asking for a dogging meets) is that dogging no longer seems to be about showing, and it now seems to be that loads of doggers 'expect' participation as the norm. Have things moved on too much, will the couples be expected to move on as well? If we only want to show, will we be left on our own at the end of the car park as no-one wants to watch the 'pervy' couple who does not want all twenty of the other doggers to join in? We have already taken the next step (discussed in great detail for hours and hours before we did it) but just how far are couples 'expected' to go before a dogging turns into a free for all and is changed to full outdoor swinging?

This is a really interesting comment, we've discussed it on numerous occasions and there has been a change, couples wanting couples has become more prevalent and it is outdoor swinging for the majority of them from what I've seen but more worrying is that there really does seem to have been a blurring of the lines between Dogging and Gangbanging, probably media induced along with the younger guys who fertile imaginations and no ability to look without touching -sorry if the under 25s here don't like to read that, but I honestly think that most of that generation have discovered full on sexual activity far too early and too easily, so an appreciation for erotic experiences is yet to develop in most of them if it ever does, because they've had too much too soon.
I avoid busy sites on purpose, I might miss out as a voyeur but I don't want to find myself in a melee of boys who are taking directions from the trouser department and don't understand that no touching means exactly that.
Dogging in the way that many of us see it (non particpatory, watching only) is a long long way from naughty, it's pretty innocent compared to some car park activities! lol

20 Sep 2005

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there has been a change, couples wanting couples has become more prevalent and it is outdoor swinging for the majority of them from what I've seen but more worrying is that there really does seem to have been a blurring of the lines between Dogging and Gangbanging, :

I think that was what I was trying to say, but as always, it takes me five pages to say what you did in five lines redface

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Dogging in the way that many of us see it (non particpatory, watching only) is a long long way from naughty, it's pretty innocent compared to some car park activities!

Absolutely nothing wrong with innocence, its something everyone starts with, unfortunately in alot of cases, it just doesnt hang around for long enough! Perhaps if some of the 'youngsters' started to realise that being 'innocent' is fun and can still be very naughty!

20 Sep 2005

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being 'innocent' is fun and can still be very naughty!

Absolutely!!! :twisted: biggrin

(P.S. Niiiiiiiiice new avatar Mrs Wiggy :rascal: )

20 Sep 2005

Alright girls all we have to do now is find a sexy innocent ..........................perhaps we are looking in the wrong place :-)
xx

20 Sep 2005

you no since you put the post in ....i have been racking my brains to come up with some thing
But all i can see in my mind that describes dogging .............is a load of peeps acting like that nodding dog in the adverts biggrin

meaning every one is looking around all the time watching to see if they might get court
its a wonder there head don't drop off!.............sure makes me dizzy.........but then again i am a dizzy old tart anyway..........thought i would put that in before any one else :D

21 Sep 2005

Debs, you crack me up!!!
All I can imagine now is loads of the 'Churchill Dogs' sat in car parks and everytime a couple drives they shout 'Oh yes, yes, yes' lol

21 Sep 2005

back to the original question and definition in the first opening thread.
i dont know whether dogging can be catogorised into whether there is just a show or whether full on sex with participation is involved. I think the term just relates to the illicit and unknown expectation and not to what happens during the situation That i suppose is the beauty, not knowing what will appear or if anything will happen.
however i do think the scene has changed. Everyone now knows the term and what it involves, hence the added proliferation of boy racers and police.
Whereas up to a year ago it was just simply sitting in a car and hardly ever talking to anyone whilst waiting, it now appears to be part of the scene to make friends and openly discuss every aspect
its less scary and less illicit

21 Sep 2005

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Debs, you crack me up!!!
All I can imagine now is loads of the 'Churchill Dogs' sat in car parks and everytime a couple drives they shout 'Oh yes, yes, yes'