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Sexlightened
Quote by meandher6367
we a couple new to dogging scene. but how can u tell the difference between st8 and gay guys. we just looking for st8 guys but cant find a way of telling the difference
If he's gay, as soon as he realises that it's a couple he wont come and watch!
If he is bi or straight does it matter? Unless you want to become interactive! ? is that you question?
One good way I surpose it for you both to play with yourselves and see which window they choose to look through! you might get a clue
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Warming the Bed
Quote by outlaws2001
we a couple new to dogging scene. but how can u tell the difference between st8 and gay guys. we just looking for st8 guys but cant find a way of telling the difference
One good way I surpose it for you both to play with yourselves and see which window they choose to look through! you might get a clue
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I don't think you can tell much from which window the dogger goes to. Myself I'll tend to go to the guy's window first. This is because I think it's less threatening to the lady. If they both seem happy with me being there then I'll go around to her side of the car. Even then I'm likely to move again if I think the best view will be from somewhere else.
Obviously 99% of the time all this decision making is not necessary since I find that I'm alone in the car park!
James
hiya
i find that after talking to the couple (if they do converse first) i normally ask what they are looking for? as im straight ill let them know that in the conversation if they are wanting straight guys they will tell u, if they looking for bi guys they will tell u, the moral of this is just ask or tell them (politely) u want straight guys, then least there wont be any confusion on anyones part.
hope that is of help to you
i find that after talking to the couple (if they do converse first) i normally ask what they are looking for? as im straight ill let them know that in the conversation if they are wanting straight guys they will tell u, if they looking for bi guys they will tell u, the moral of this is just ask or tell them (politely) u want straight guys, then least there wont be any confusion on anyones part.
hope that is of help to you
Sexlightened
to help this thread meandher have got to come back and let us know if the are looking for a watcher or someone to join in!
Hi James, why do you go to the guys window first? is it to make the couple feel safe?
I can understand that but do you then want to talk?
Only from our point of view if you come over to talk that is all you will get! I'm affraid! we get "caught out" so you have to creep up on us!
the playing with yourself to see which side he would go was a bit tounge in cheek! a song has just pop into my head "Straights to the left of me, bi's to the right. stuck in the middle with you (Mrs Outlaw)"!!!
Hi Jomu, communication, well verbal we don't do until afterward, think, as I said above we need what they want clairifying.
Hi James, why do you go to the guys window first? is it to make the couple feel safe?
I can understand that but do you then want to talk?
Only from our point of view if you come over to talk that is all you will get! I'm affraid! we get "caught out" so you have to creep up on us!
the playing with yourself to see which side he would go was a bit tounge in cheek! a song has just pop into my head "Straights to the left of me, bi's to the right. stuck in the middle with you (Mrs Outlaw)"!!!
Hi Jomu, communication, well verbal we don't do until afterward, think, as I said above we need what they want clairifying.
hi mr& mrs outlaws see where you are comeing from but every cpl is different, l mrs k prefer the dogger to go staight to hubbys side i think its good manners and also i rely on him to let me know if he thinks hes ok always trust him to spot anything dodgey.
I still need to feel safe even at my age ha ha. And the best way to find out what they are into is to talk first they soon let thier guard down, but yes always the chance of talking the night away and i can talk for England.
But saying all that if its only a show im putting on theres no need to talk at all but if i want to play then i really need to know what is what.
mrs k :gagged:
I still need to feel safe even at my age ha ha. And the best way to find out what they are into is to talk first they soon let thier guard down, but yes always the chance of talking the night away and i can talk for England.
But saying all that if its only a show im putting on theres no need to talk at all but if i want to play then i really need to know what is what.
mrs k :gagged:
Sexlightened
Quote by KISSING K
hi mr& mrs outlaws see where you are comeing from but every cpl is different, l mrs k prefer the dogger to go staight to hubbys side i think its good manners and also i rely on him to let me know if he thinks hes ok always trust him to spot anything dodgey.
I still need to feel safe even at my age ha ha. And the best way to find out what they are into is to talk first they soon let thier guard down, but yes always the chance of talking the night away and i can talk for England.
But saying all that if its only a show im putting on theres no need to talk at all but if i want to play then i really need to know what is what.
mrs k :gagged:
Hi Kissing K,
I now see what you mean I really didn't think about it from that point of view!!
Warming the Bed
Quote by outlaws2001
Hi James, why do you go to the guys window first? is it to make the couple feel safe?
I can understand that but do you then want to talk?
Only from our point of view if you come over to talk that is all you will get! I'm affraid! we get "caught out" so you have to creep up on us!
Yes, I go to the drivers side to make the couple feel safe. I'm not going there to have a chat, unless that is what the couple wants. Once they know I'm there one of two things can happen. I can be told leave if I've read the signals wrong. I think it is easier for the man to tell me that they are not interested than the woman; as I said I've no wish to frighten or upset anyone. The other possibility is that they see me and are happy. Usually there is some sort of acknowledgement that they have seen you, even if it's just a glance. As I said last time, once they know I'm there I feel free to move round to the passengers side. On the other hand sometimes if she is giving him a blow job then the best view is at the drivers side.
I'm sure that my cautious approach means that sometimes I miss out, but at the end of the day I wouldn't want to think that someone was put off of dogging just because I was impatient.
James
hmm..i always feel for the fellas when it comes to this "approach" scenario 
oh to be a mind reader eh guys?
some couples will signal..we don't see it much ourselves, and only ever resort to it if the guys are extremely reluctant to approach.(much depends on the level of activity at the particular venue, and whether the action is more often dogging, than couples "courting").
we don't like to use signals because it implies an invite, whereas, as with "outlaws" our preffered scenario is to be "caught in the act", and as such, we'd usually not even aknowledge the doggers presence..its variable. often, if the window is going to come down at all, it'll only happen after you have been watching for a while, and things have "hotted up" inside :lol: in our experience, doggers will circle for best position, and opt for the window that offers the best view at the time..i'm also sure many of the fellas that watch us are bi..its not an issue, but then its not anything we need to know :lol: mind you, it makes me fucking jump when i look out, only to see a lady peering in :shock: :lol: it happens.
as previously suggested, their are several schools of thought..showcouples may not encourage chat, however, there are those that wan't that verbal interaction first...indeed, its all some couples do want. :lol:, be cautious, ask yourself, "if something kicks of at the other end, do i want to be the only fucker stood here listing to this couples life story"? it happens, getting friendly might seem like a good idea, but get too familiar and you'll be torn between missing the show (or more), or offending the couple :lol: .playing couples may wish to speak with their playmates first, and they have greater reason to do to lay down the basic ground rules, to assertain the mental state :lol: or to get more comfortable with the guys first...for these couples, a little of the "stranger" element that we ourselves desire,is removed. some such players have their regular groupies, from which they hold no secrets as to their personal lives...its a game that encompasses the whole spectrum, but in general, "showcouples" are far less likely to socially interact with their doggers first.
from the doggers point of view, jeff probably plays a wise game..i'd suggest that the guy doesn't try to instigate conversation..not least for the fact the target couple might not be into the game :lol: far better to walk past the vehicle..driver's side, (for its he that would be more likely to speak first, and he might get the hump if you ignore his role in the equasion) :lol:don't forget, the lady might be your target, but even though a couple, by definition comprises two individuals..you'd do well to respect they are, for the purposes of dogging anyway,usually acting as one. often the lady, having explained to her partner what she desires from the evening,(or if the couple are regulars, familiarity might make the explanation uneccessary), and it'll be left to him to do all the initial talking and to explain the do's and don'ts..if you regard him as a taxi driver, having to take his woman to be sorted by "real" men due to his inadequacies, you'll probably lose :lol: if walking past would look mildly ridiculous, then linger nearby.. nothing appears to be happening, the driver doesn't open his window, doesn't speak if its already open or a signal isn't forthcoming..return to your vehicle, they'll know you are there now, so wait a few minutes, then wander over again..if things look as if they are kicking off, get in a little closer, with caution, (remember, not all couples signal) use the trees, if any, for cover..maybe move in from behind the vehicle...its the game..you'll feel nervous, but ain't that part of the thrill? :lol: the couple will probably be running a commentary :lol: "where are they now"? "its ok, he's coming over, he's behing the tree, i can see his fag glowing, quick get your tits ooot" :lol: ..but if it could go pear shaped of course...make sure you can get back to your car before he gets to you :lol: (your age, size and level of fitness will be a factor) :lol: but you'll get across the carpark faster with your trousers up, than he will with his pants down :wink: don't forget..don't drive up to, then park right next to a couple..you'll piss the couple off, they'll probably wheelspin out, that'll fuck the guys .that could hurt..if the other cars are parked 40 feet away, then park 40 feet away..nervously timid is way better in this game than numb nutted arrogance :wink:
as for the gay thing..thats easier..the driver should hold the largest dildo he can find up to the open window..ask "who's up for a piece of this" whilst slapping it aggressively into the palm of the other hand..if the guys run, they are they are hesitant, they may be curious..but if they drop their pants and form a queue...then they are probably gay..none of this helps in reality, cause if its straights you seek, they'll be long gone.
oh to be a mind reader eh guys?some couples will signal..we don't see it much ourselves, and only ever resort to it if the guys are extremely reluctant to approach.(much depends on the level of activity at the particular venue, and whether the action is more often dogging, than couples "courting").
we don't like to use signals because it implies an invite, whereas, as with "outlaws" our preffered scenario is to be "caught in the act", and as such, we'd usually not even aknowledge the doggers presence..its variable. often, if the window is going to come down at all, it'll only happen after you have been watching for a while, and things have "hotted up" inside :lol: in our experience, doggers will circle for best position, and opt for the window that offers the best view at the time..i'm also sure many of the fellas that watch us are bi..its not an issue, but then its not anything we need to know :lol: mind you, it makes me fucking jump when i look out, only to see a lady peering in :shock: :lol: it happens.as previously suggested, their are several schools of thought..showcouples may not encourage chat, however, there are those that wan't that verbal interaction first...indeed, its all some couples do want. :lol:, be cautious, ask yourself, "if something kicks of at the other end, do i want to be the only fucker stood here listing to this couples life story"? it happens, getting friendly might seem like a good idea, but get too familiar and you'll be torn between missing the show (or more), or offending the couple :lol: .playing couples may wish to speak with their playmates first, and they have greater reason to do to lay down the basic ground rules, to assertain the mental state :lol: or to get more comfortable with the guys first...for these couples, a little of the "stranger" element that we ourselves desire,is removed. some such players have their regular groupies, from which they hold no secrets as to their personal lives...its a game that encompasses the whole spectrum, but in general, "showcouples" are far less likely to socially interact with their doggers first.
from the doggers point of view, jeff probably plays a wise game..i'd suggest that the guy doesn't try to instigate conversation..not least for the fact the target couple might not be into the game :lol: far better to walk past the vehicle..driver's side, (for its he that would be more likely to speak first, and he might get the hump if you ignore his role in the equasion) :lol:don't forget, the lady might be your target, but even though a couple, by definition comprises two individuals..you'd do well to respect they are, for the purposes of dogging anyway,usually acting as one. often the lady, having explained to her partner what she desires from the evening,(or if the couple are regulars, familiarity might make the explanation uneccessary), and it'll be left to him to do all the initial talking and to explain the do's and don'ts..if you regard him as a taxi driver, having to take his woman to be sorted by "real" men due to his inadequacies, you'll probably lose :lol: if walking past would look mildly ridiculous, then linger nearby.. nothing appears to be happening, the driver doesn't open his window, doesn't speak if its already open or a signal isn't forthcoming..return to your vehicle, they'll know you are there now, so wait a few minutes, then wander over again..if things look as if they are kicking off, get in a little closer, with caution, (remember, not all couples signal) use the trees, if any, for cover..maybe move in from behind the vehicle...its the game..you'll feel nervous, but ain't that part of the thrill? :lol: the couple will probably be running a commentary :lol: "where are they now"? "its ok, he's coming over, he's behing the tree, i can see his fag glowing, quick get your tits ooot" :lol: ..but if it could go pear shaped of course...make sure you can get back to your car before he gets to you :lol: (your age, size and level of fitness will be a factor) :lol: but you'll get across the carpark faster with your trousers up, than he will with his pants down :wink: don't forget..don't drive up to, then park right next to a couple..you'll piss the couple off, they'll probably wheelspin out, that'll fuck the guys .that could hurt..if the other cars are parked 40 feet away, then park 40 feet away..nervously timid is way better in this game than numb nutted arrogance :wink:
as for the gay thing..thats easier..the driver should hold the largest dildo he can find up to the open window..ask "who's up for a piece of this" whilst slapping it aggressively into the palm of the other hand..if the guys run, they are they are hesitant, they may be curious..but if they drop their pants and form a queue...then they are probably gay..none of this helps in reality, cause if its straights you seek, they'll be long gone.
Sexlightened
Quote by j_e_f_59
Hi James, why do you go to the guys window first? is it to make the couple feel safe?
I can understand that but do you then want to talk?
Only from our point of view if you come over to talk that is all you will get! I'm affraid! we get "caught out" so you have to creep up on us!
Yes, I go to the drivers side to make the couple feel safe. I'm not going there to have a chat, unless that is what the couple wants. Once they know I'm there one of two things can happen. I can be told leave if I've read the signals wrong. I think it is easier for the man to tell me that they are not interested than the woman; as I said I've no wish to frighten or upset anyone. The other possibility is that they see me and are happy. Usually there is some sort of acknowledgement that they have seen you, even if it's just a glance. As I said last time, once they know I'm there I feel free to move round to the passengers side. On the other hand sometimes if she is giving him a blow job then the best view is at the drivers side.
I'm sure that my cautious approach means that sometimes I miss out, but at the end of the day I wouldn't want to think that someone was put off of dogging just because I was impatient.
James
We respect what you say so whatever way you go about it is fine.
It just from our point of view we don't just go out for a couple of hours for a shag! We sometimes go out from mid morning or afternoon until the early hours the next day. So there are quite a few pauses during that time for talk, cups of coffee or read a book together!
If you was to come up to our window whenever one of these activities are happening we are not going to switch into sex mode and give you a performance, we don't just turn it on, we've tried it and you might get a good show but it ain't a real turn on for us!
so we only start to have sex when we are up for it and there is no one close to the car unless it is someone we know very well!! If someone comes close before Mrs Outlaw is turned on then the skirt or dress will slide down and all action will stop and then talk and or make a cup of coffee!
so whatever method you have found that works for you, then do it. Our posts on this were from only a narrow point of view, ours! Because our involvement is just as exhib's and we don't interact, we was a little blinkered, others including kissing K have pointed out about the interactive side of things and we take on board that it is the best way to weed out who or who not to be involved with!
As always, dirtydoggers put up a much better post to explain what we was trying to say! Hail the DD's
Quote from the DD's "running commentary "where are they now?" "It's ok he's coming over now"..."He's behind the tree" "I can see his fag glowing, quick get your tit's oot"
perfect!!! been there and done it many times
:lol: good luck james in your approach and hope you have many happy landings
why, thank ya kindly "outlaws" .actually, you raise another good point, one which i should have included in my earlier post..thats for guys not to assume that because a couple refuses to show, or play on demand, they are timewasting..many couples, ourselves included, make a night of it..at some point, we'll probably show,sometimes more than once, maybe take some photos to suppliment our collection, whatever... i suggested on my previous post that the guys linger, then walk if nothing is happening., only to return after a short interim..i'll explain further.
if on the second survey, the couple haven't taken your interest as their play.(some do, depending on circumstances ie, they are in a hurry, or there is only one or two guys, and the couple are worried about losing them) ..go. leave them the attention you give them will act as a prompt, often, they'll play when they are good and ready..that might be minutes, or hours away :lol: show to order does occur, ...but, you cannot beat "bagging" a couple during the height of passion, and letting them get started, at their own pace will be more rewarding for all, ladies are notorious for not sharing our ability to get highly aroused during debates regarding the virtues of running redex through the fuel system before an impeding emmissions test 
:lol: .. remember, couples are there for their own fun..you, as a dogger, are but an accessory to that :wink: yes, couples do need guys, exhibitionists such as ourselves cherish our voyeurs, after all you are on the endagered species list :lol: but its still easier for us to have fun as a couple, than it is for you as a single guy :lol: so whilst the scales are tipped in our favour, we'll usually call the shots :lol
we often see couples at play, that have been long considered "a waste of time" :lol: its just that they are more selective, and choose to wait until the usual greeting party has lost interest..but play they do, often to the disbelief of the mob when told the "bird that just sips fucking tea all night" has just swallowed more semen than the bermuda triangle :wink:
often we'll see new couples turn up at our local at around 9pm...yet its well into the early hours when they kick off...its the ole patience thing again..patience and , i'm glad i'm part of a couple :lol: :lol:
.actually, you raise another good point, one which i should have included in my earlier post..thats for guys not to assume that because a couple refuses to show, or play on demand, they are timewasting..many couples, ourselves included, make a night of it..at some point, we'll probably show,sometimes more than once, maybe take some photos to suppliment our collection, whatever... i suggested on my previous post that the guys linger, then walk if nothing is happening., only to return after a short interim..i'll explain further.if on the second survey, the couple haven't taken your interest as their play.(some do, depending on circumstances ie, they are in a hurry, or there is only one or two guys, and the couple are worried about losing them)
..go. leave them the attention you give them will act as a prompt, often, they'll play when they are good and ready..that might be minutes, or hours away :lol: show to order does occur, ...but, you cannot beat "bagging" a couple during the height of passion, and letting them get started, at their own pace will be more rewarding for all, ladies are notorious for not sharing our ability to get highly aroused during debates regarding the virtues of running redex through the fuel system before an impeding emmissions test :lol: .. remember, couples are there for their own fun..you, as a dogger, are but an accessory to that :wink: yes, couples do need guys, exhibitionists such as ourselves cherish our voyeurs, after all you are on the endagered species list :lol: but its still easier for us to have fun as a couple, than it is for you as a single guy :lol: so whilst the scales are tipped in our favour, we'll usually call the shots :lolwe often see couples at play, that have been long considered "a waste of time" :lol: its just that they are more selective, and choose to wait until the usual greeting party has lost interest..but play they do, often to the disbelief of the mob when told the "bird that just sips fucking tea all night" has just swallowed more semen than the bermuda triangle :wink:
often we'll see new couples turn up at our local at around 9pm...yet its well into the early hours when they kick off...its the ole patience thing again..patience and , i'm glad i'm part of a couple :lol: :lol:
I save myself all this grief.
If there's no sign of activity within, and a walk-past doesn't see any OR get death threats from within, then I put the seat back and listen to Radio 1....
This is very restful, and twice now I've had guys walk over and ask if I'd like to watch...once it was just "like to watch me wank"....Mind you, I've also had a couple drive out shouting that they were going to find somebody that wanted to watch them and not wankers like me.......(radio 2 was on and I'd gone to sleep)
Then again, I was at my favourite layby a few months back.....just finishing a thermos of coffee on a picnic table (nobody about, the gayguys had all gone home), when an astra pulled in and a couple came over to the table and the guy started to shag her...(a bit off-putting really...the coffee was still hot)....after a few minutes of grunting and moaning, he said she liked a good roasting....so I put aside my moral values (the no joining rule) and did the biz...
So, with all this light-flashing and wandering-about- lurking-in-the-trees-and-waiting, the best times are usually when it all happens and you'd only been bird-watching or gone into the wood for a pee.......................................................
Then again, once I was sitting on the riverbank, pole in hand (fishing pole) and a couple arrived on the opposite side and started shagging....oh well, that f**ked the fishing for the day...
If there's no sign of activity within, and a walk-past doesn't see any OR get death threats from within, then I put the seat back and listen to Radio 1....
This is very restful, and twice now I've had guys walk over and ask if I'd like to watch...once it was just "like to watch me wank"....Mind you, I've also had a couple drive out shouting that they were going to find somebody that wanted to watch them and not wankers like me.......(radio 2 was on and I'd gone to sleep)
Then again, I was at my favourite layby a few months back.....just finishing a thermos of coffee on a picnic table (nobody about, the gayguys had all gone home), when an astra pulled in and a couple came over to the table and the guy started to shag her...(a bit off-putting really...the coffee was still hot)....after a few minutes of grunting and moaning, he said she liked a good roasting....so I put aside my moral values (the no joining rule) and did the biz...
So, with all this light-flashing and wandering-about- lurking-in-the-trees-and-waiting, the best times are usually when it all happens and you'd only been bird-watching or gone into the wood for a pee.......................................................
Then again, once I was sitting on the riverbank, pole in hand (fishing pole) and a couple arrived on the opposite side and started shagging....oh well, that f**ked the fishing for the day...
Quote by jomu
I with all this light-flashing and wandering-about- lurking-in-the-trees-and-waiting, the best times are usually when it all happens and you'd only been bird-watching or gone into the wood for a pee..
no need for the "paint the fence", nor "wax on, wax off" for an ascended master like yourself jomu
thats also true of my mate "the master"...always makes us laugh when the lads post up "the carpark was empty, so i left" :lol: :shock: like jomu says, thems the best fucking times its in those circumstances, demand exceeds supply :lol: ah bollocks, i haven't got time to launch into the story of the four couples, might have been 5 including us...just sitting around waiting for a dogger :lol: absolutely fucking true...one guy turns up in a silver mondeo..no, it'll have to wait, but you get the idea? :lol: he didn't get laid actually..he fled when one of the girls tried to "get in first" by wandering over to his car..she normally does ten a night, and he probably recognised her :lol: fucking funny though ...there used to be a scottish fella down our place, he'd go round all the cars telling the drivers old bill were checking out the venue down the road, and were heading this way, emptied the venue a treat..worked every time, the fucker :lol:.first time we met him, we'd seen all the cars leave, one by one..so we left too..only for him to tear down the road after us..we pulled into a layby, and he pulled in front.."its ok, nay problem..i've just spoken to the coppers, and they are taking details of an accident, thats all" :lol: he hadn't counted on us leaving too :lol: he had all the talk alright.oh well, summer will soon be here..the best action to be seen at our usual will be 2 or 3am. :cry: home at 4am, birds singing, drink of gin on the patio, bed at 5am..mrs d feeling rampant..me pretending to be asleep..then the twat wants foreplay too. :shock: :cry: ..foreplay over by 5:30..jump on, roll off at 5:32....i think we'll pass on the watching this year
, just do the show, then back home..leave all the interesting stuff to the others 
just haven't got the stamina for it anymore :cry: :lol: 
Casanova
Drivers door or Passengers door? Whether to converse before or not? Bi guys or straights only? wow...all good stuff and a thread can be made out of each of them.
Drivers door or Passengers door first - my preference is for the Passengers side (and sometimes getting into a mess when a lady is driving The reason basically is to send a signal that I'm straight and am interested in females. In mist of the car parks in my neck of the woods (or golf course as the case may be) there are about 10 times as many gays as dogging singles, and gay guys do make a point of being a nuisance to couples in an effort to get rid of the hetero scene on "their cruising patch". What I try to do with "body language" is to say "I'm not gay, I'll not be a nuisance". Admittedly, this may be a local thing and in other areas, as has been said before, the done thing is different.
Pre-show conversation - I don't go in for that unless I get "yoohoo'd" by the couple. I always end a show with a polite thank you and this has often ended with a chat afterwards, when the overwhelming feedback from the couples who I have spoken to is that guys who talk the couples to death are viewed as a pain in the behind. As the couples point out, if they wanted bland conversation, they could have gone to the pub. Very often tyhey are on a tight time scale (OK DD and others make a night of it, but everyone is different I suppose) and they don't want their playtime wasted by idle chit chat over nothing. So, and again being mindful of being wrong on occasions, by the laws of probability, I'll keep my mouth shut. And anyway, waiting until after a show cuts down the chances of having spilled all your beans to an inquisitive press reporter couple.
Bi's or straights - I've been asked what I know of certain people (e.g. that guy in the red Mazda etc) as to whether they are kosha, or if they are gay or whatever, and I do feel that unless the dogging couple's guy is bi, that they only want to mix with straight guys. My patch is known for there being a number of gay cruisers with HIV playing unprotected, so it's natural to want to avoid that risk. Condoms go so far from protecting against the risk of what a bi guy might bring from the gay scene, abstainance is safer still.
Wow, another epistle. Just goes to show though that what's right in one corner of the country might be totally wrong elsewhere. A bit of local knowledge and flexibility of approach does wonders.
Drivers door or Passengers door first - my preference is for the Passengers side (and sometimes getting into a mess when a lady is driving
The reason basically is to send a signal that I'm straight and am interested in females. In mist of the car parks in my neck of the woods (or golf course as the case may be) there are about 10 times as many gays as dogging singles, and gay guys do make a point of being a nuisance to couples in an effort to get rid of the hetero scene on "their cruising patch". What I try to do with "body language" is to say "I'm not gay, I'll not be a nuisance". Admittedly, this may be a local thing and in other areas, as has been said before, the done thing is different.Pre-show conversation - I don't go in for that unless I get "yoohoo'd" by the couple. I always end a show with a polite thank you and this has often ended with a chat afterwards, when the overwhelming feedback from the couples who I have spoken to is that guys who talk the couples to death are viewed as a pain in the behind. As the couples point out, if they wanted bland conversation, they could have gone to the pub. Very often tyhey are on a tight time scale (OK DD and others make a night of it, but everyone is different I suppose) and they don't want their playtime wasted by idle chit chat over nothing. So, and again being mindful of being wrong on occasions, by the laws of probability, I'll keep my mouth shut. And anyway, waiting until after a show cuts down the chances of having spilled all your beans to an inquisitive press reporter couple.
Bi's or straights - I've been asked what I know of certain people (e.g. that guy in the red Mazda etc) as to whether they are kosha, or if they are gay or whatever, and I do feel that unless the dogging couple's guy is bi, that they only want to mix with straight guys. My patch is known for there being a number of gay cruisers with HIV playing unprotected, so it's natural to want to avoid that risk. Condoms go so far from protecting against the risk of what a bi guy might bring from the gay scene, abstainance is safer still.
Wow, another epistle. Just goes to show though that what's right in one corner of the country might be totally wrong elsewhere. A bit of local knowledge and flexibility of approach does wonders.
Quote by dirtydoggers
.there used to be a scottish fella down our place, he'd go round all the cars telling the drivers old bill were checking out the venue down the road, and were heading this way, emptied the venue a treat..worked every time, the fucker
I take it you're talking about the same scottish guy I know ?
There can't be two like that in the country, can there ?
I think he wore out his welcome down there a year ago, and got thumped !
Anyway, he's over here now !
And to answer the original question, how to tell gay from guy ?
Who gives a shit ?
You wanna be watched ?
Presumably you'll be busy with other matters so you won't notice that some of the guys will be watching your tackle and not the missus' ?
Quote by jomu
I take it you're talking about the same scottish guy I know ?
There can't be two like that in the country, can there ?
I think he wore out his welcome down there a year ago, and got thumped !
Anyway, he's over here now !
thinking about it jomu, it probably is
nice enough fella, but talk about guilding the lilly yeah, he made the mistake of verbally availing a crowd of his aversion for a particular "timewasting" couple..only he didn't look over his shoulder first, had he done so, he would have noticed the fella who's wife was being so colourfully described,stood behind him :shock: oops :lol: gays, straights..BIs? well, we get them all in the forest too..oh, and the TVs..of course we do..the difference is, that although the edges get blurred, the action is usually kept seperate. ie, gays concentrated around tea time, then, early evening till gone midnight its mostly straight stuff, the TVs come to pick off the frustrated doggers in the early hours :lol: .. two, more popular "cruising" areas are in the vicinity, so the gay element, although in evidence, isn't concentrated at our to tell whats what, the couples play in the car, over the car or on the tables, the gay fellas walk into the woods..i've been approached whilst out alone, only did that a few times, back in the early days, but as a couple, they never show an interest..too much action in the gay world for them to worry about converting me :lol: ..we don't know who watches, nor do we care much..(now't about me to arouse the passions anyway :lol: however, we wouldn't use a place that had such a high ratio as partyman describes, no point, fuck me, there are more than enough straight fellas out there already, aint there? :lol: we "show" to please..both ourselves, and our voyeurs..and we'll do that in the most productive places, established cruising haunts, where couples ain't particularly welcome, ain't gonna be high on our do know of such a place too, its a perfect spot, but we'd never bother "showing" there..mrs dirty is the exhibitionist, i only go for the ride :lol:
the "which side to approach" issue ain't really an issue..most couples, including ourselves don't much care...if the window is going to open for chat, it'll more likely be the guy's side..makes sense to be there, if it ain't gonna open, he'll be better able to suss you his side anyway...if its going to open mid-show, it'll usually be the lady's side...if the guy watching is gay, then he ain't gonna reach in.....if he is bi, then he might. if the lady is gonna blow, then it'll often be through her window(unless the fella is really hung, and able to reach her lips, through his window) :shock: , if she is gonna shag, then the driver will usually get out, then go over to her door...but the initial chat, if any, will usually be from his side, through his window..and yes, i've seen arrangements to go somewhere private, made to the guy at the driver's side, while three guys have been fixated on the lady's door with their dicks out, needless to say,.they got left behind... :cry:
..a percentage of fellas may resent the guys approaching the ladies side first..loads of reasons which ain't worth going into here,
but i guess most of us understand the way it works. usually its the newbies, and then, more likely to be the male, that underestimates his subconscious reactions, regarding guys showing sexual intent toward "his" woman, 
whilst showing no regard for his presence..that scenario is often interpretted by him as being disrespectfull, or threatning.:lol: :cry: (depending on his size, weapons or character and those attributes the dogger, or doggers may in turn posess) :lol: his reactions might not always be those "he" anticipated..after all, its what they went for, isn't it?..but if you see the way an average guy reacts to someone glimpsing his birds arse in a pub, even though she was encouraged to wear that leather mini-skirt by him, to make him feel good, and to make him feel proud, and to make "them" want her, to desire her, and want to shag her :lol: you'll get my drift?.i agree, its deeper than that,and of course, there are many other factors involved..but its something we witness time and tima again at dogging venues..it wasn't that long ago two guys were attacked by a fella weilding a bottle..they ran faster than he, but they'd only walked past the motor, and peeped in, her side..she screamed, he went mental :lol: and yeah, no surprises there, it was their first time too...they didn't return..bloody good job, if the press had gotton hold of her identity it would have been interesting..(no, she wasn't famous). :roll: .usually such erratic behaviour leaves the lads bemused, as to what could have gone wrong., they think its something they did..such questions have been put on this forum by puzzled doggers, not realising that a mini tornado was probably brewing in the driver's head :lol:, and their approach was the straw that broke his back :lol: i call it the adjustment period, the first few visits where things could get a little interesting :lol: at this point, some couples will give up at the first hurdle, throw a post on the board to the effect of "pushy guys" never to be heard of again :lol: others will reflect, and wonder if maybe they over reacted to some pretty innoffensive gesture, hope for them maybe, if they can laugh about it.. :lol: trouble is, often they'll have a mental picture of what the night "should" play out like.. good doggers, like "the master", and "singledogger" will give them that, unknowingly, but, by the way they act instictively, :lol:, either through experience, their characters in general or more often a combitation of both..(i didn't include harry, he's got the character, thats why the couples love him, but he doesn't get out enough)
:lol: thats why most couples are "drawn" to such people. .to lose such a small percent might not be seen as a great loss, especially when the guy seems like he's off the rails :lol: ..but we are talking damage limitation here :lol: play the right hand, you could lay the ace..its "the master's" speciality..he is the virgin dogger breaker innerer (didn't sound right did it)? 
ops: but he does very little that might be taken as offensive, basically he doesn't give the madmen a reason to attack him :lol: .most male partners won't see a dogger approaching his side as disrespectful, yet a small minority might feel snubbed if the guy approaches the lady's side first..pissing the guy off ain't often productive :lol: would be an excercise in damage limitation to opt for his side first maybe? if its a gender identity thing at some sites, such as partyman's local, well that might be a different issue, but i'm going on most couples frequenting predominantly straight areas .like i say, mrs dirty wants the attention, not me :lol: 10 fellas wanking at my window might do my self esteem good, but it wouldn't do diddly for hers :lol: :lol: :lol: pull a bird in a nightclub, and take her for a snack afterwards..if you take her to a burger joint, and she is a veggy..she might walk, you might have offended her moral viewpoint, she might see no future in such a relationship, she might be repulsed at the thought of snogging a "beef chops" :lol: ..take her for a cheese and tomato pizza, and she eats meat, it probably won't have a bad she is veggy, it could be a positively good one .you can always order pepperoni if she really craves flesh :lol: so, if its only a leg over you want, then pizza hut is a safer bet :lol: damage limitation..most probably wouldn't give a damn..but we are talking details here.. :lol: whats more important, a shag or a kebab? yeah, when you are pissed, ok, i know..and they look the same anyway you say? :lol:
"shows" are a rarity at our place these days..used to see it more two or three years ago, often it would be drive in, show, then fuck off quick.. :lol: if the couple stuck around, the lads would assume there was going to be more on offer, and virtually glue themselves to the couples vehicle for the night :lol: sometimes the lass would have stripped off before rolling into the venue..they'd show, then she'd leave in the buff too..usually with a convoy :roll:
if we are "showing" in the smaller carparks, (something we tend to do more now), then we too will drive in, do our thing, then leave..to chat afterwards would be to risk being caught in the social web next time..a lesson we learned the hard way in the early days at our regular place :lol: now, if we visit the big site, at a weekend, to show for "strangers" is nigh on impossible...we know too many couples, and fellas..and its nice to chat with them once in a while, catch up on the news, ..oh, we'll show if the oppertunity arises, but we are usually interupted when spotted by a comrade :lol: other than that, we'll take some photos..no problem with the guys we know being there for that, its good fun...thing is, mrs dirty likes to see the action too, and we'll stick around if things look promising..being a couple in a carpark at night doesn't make entertaining compulsory, no more than its expected of a woman police officer :lol: (although i did once ask) :lol: crowds don't intimidate us, and so we'll go and have a look whilst the picnic table is getting dismantled :lol: the lads are generally fine, and find mrs dirty's interest, intrequing :lol:we couldn't give a damn about the fellas that resent us being there..we ain't there for them anyway :lol: but thats why are outings are often for the duration..if the average dogger put in those hours, they'd see a helluva lot more too :lol: having said that, we don't go out that know couples that hang around the carparks almost every night..for us, once a fortnight would be more like it..although my work schedual has meant we've not been out for a few weeks now :cry: anyway, if we didn't suss things out, i wouldn't have so much to write about...ok, i get the hint :lol: twats
thing is, the newbie guys reading this will think "fucking hell, is it that complex"? :shock: the answer is yes, but realisticaly, and for practical purposes, no. :lol: experience is the master in this game, most of the time..my mate "the master" has got no interest in such nonsense, and he'll openly say i'm a cunt when told of my ramblings.. :lol: remember that bit in "enter the dragon"? bruce lee says to the student, after having asked him to demonstrate a kick, "now, how did that feel"? the student replies, "erm, now let me think"...bruce slaps him over the head, and replies, "don't think, feeeel, its like a finger pointing away to the moon".the student looks towards the finger, whereby bruce slaps him again.."don't concentrate on the finger, or you'll miss all the heavenly glory" fuck me, there is no better philosophy..j_e_f's signature goes along similar lines :lol: if you "think" about putting the brakes on when a car pulls out in front of you, you'll probably crash :lol: having trained your body to drive, it'll brake for you..having trained your body to do kung fu, it'll block the punch, unless you think about it, then you'll get hit :lol: .having trained your body to dog... :lol: :lol: but don't ever think about it , you'll get nowhere like that :lol: don't think dogging, feel it ,:lol: thats why there's no substitute for getting yer arse oot there :wink:
earlier post edited due to me tagging that last bit onto it in error, then deleting it :oops: so if the spelling is still crap, yeah, i know..wasn't edited for that reason :lol:
