Hiya folks
well the day has come...
my swinging days are over
it,s not for me anymore .. my personal health & well being are more important to me than sex
too clicky & too many idiots liars & backstabbers (you know who you are)
wishing you all the best
Tommy
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Sex God
Very sad news that one of the 'proper' doggers/ swingers or whatever you want to be called is leaving.
We both wish you all the luck in the world in whatever it is you are doing and take care.
Very sorry to see you going :cry:
We both wish you all the luck in the world in whatever it is you are doing and take care.
Very sorry to see you going :cry:
Warming the Bed
Hey Mr.T, Its Raj here? we met only once and I found you to be a real true gentleman. Im very sorry to hear of your problems and just want to wish you all the best in whatever you may do. But dont just leave like that... do hang around and visit sometimes.
Best wishes to you mate... true gent
Best wishes to you mate... true gent
Sex God
Yeah Tom , if people are assholes then they should be told :-) to be honest mate all the lovely qualities you suggest are quite common in any walk of life, so we shouldnt be surprised if we encounter them in swinging. An asshole with his dick in his hand is still an asshole so dont give up your hobby just cos of them.
Sex God
well yeah assholes will always be assholes Dip, but he could talk about it and chances are alot of people would get some information from it and would support him. He wouldnt have to name anyone, naming and shaming is always more about revenge than it is about actually getting somewhere with a problem.
Disagree with you there.......Assholes love being assholes and once word gets around that a site allows assholes to be largely fireproof then they gather like moths to a flame.
Naming is about prevention, not revenge....how likely would it be to muck someone around (being polite there) if your ID and the details of what you did are going to be plastered all over the site?
Naming is about prevention, not revenge....how likely would it be to muck someone around (being polite there) if your ID and the details of what you did are going to be plastered all over the site?
Sex God
Well you sound quite adamant and I dont really feel in the mood to start a row about it so we will agree to disagree - fact is naming an asshole will never 'shame' them - if they were capable of that level of introspection they would apply the judgement themselves. Similarly any kind of 'monitoring' or vetting by concensus is by its very nature open not only to lovely reasonable people like you guys but is also open to assholes as well, and they will inevitably use it for revenge or their own nefarious idea has been muted and discussed at length here and one of the things that has always led me to respect the members and decision maker at this forum has been that they have always rejected it for just the reaons I mention.
I think judgement of individuals is best left to individuals or at least private discussion with people whose opinion you trust and respect, after all one persons asshole is another persons ideal anal sex partner. :-)
Peace
I think judgement of individuals is best left to individuals or at least private discussion with people whose opinion you trust and respect, after all one persons asshole is another persons ideal anal sex partner. :-)
Peace
As always....I defer to the "management" but judging from pm's and emails sent to us over "issues" on this site in the past, I will never be convinced that the majority view is honored on here. One must always remember that on a pay site, the maximum number of users generates the maximum income and an assholes cash is as good as the next guys.
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Quote by dippergt750
As always....I defer to the "management" but judging from pm's and emails sent to us over "issues" on this site in the past, I will never be convinced that the majority view is honored on here. One must always remember that on a pay site, the maximum number of users generates the maximum income and an assholes cash is as good as the next guys.
there are over 900,000 members. The majority is therefore more than 450,000. I think we are in a better position regarding what the members want than you are, don't you think? Are you telling me that over 450,000 members have contacted you? Who set you up as the collater of this information and how were the membership informed of this?
We tend to look at the bigger picture rather than what cannot be more than a handful of PM's you must have received. and if you have received more than that and feel so strongly about it, why haven't you forwarded this on to the management to discuss, rather than bringing it to the forums where it would have little or no effect?
Mal
Sorry Mal
not quite the way it works as there will always be more non voters than voters therefore the winner will be the one with the majority of votes cast
this is really a straw poll but if nothing else this might high light the need for a proper vote or further action
In any event one way or another however big or small the members have spoken and should be properly acknowledged by management/owners and not dismissed in this way
not quite the way it works as there will always be more non voters than voters therefore the winner will be the one with the majority of votes cast
this is really a straw poll but if nothing else this might high light the need for a proper vote or further action
In any event one way or another however big or small the members have spoken and should be properly acknowledged by management/owners and not dismissed in this way
Sex God
Like I said I didnt wanna start a row. I understand your point of view Dip honestly I do. However the prevailing atmosphere on SH since we first joined many moons (and pre paysite days) ago was always a simple 'cream rises to the top' system. There has always been basic decency and abuse rules which are always enforced (and dont think I havent found myself on the wrong side of them more than once)but the judgement of someones desirability or personal trust worthiness etc has always been the perogative of the members themselves. I was never all that happy by the site becoming commercial and voiced that at the time, but I have been pleasantly surprised since that the new owners appear to have for the most part left the regulation of the site in the hands of those few patient members who have always largely ended up doing a great job (a few notable exceptions but far far in the minority) Mal has jumped to the defense of those unpaid few and I understand that as well, but since I have a feeling that both you guys and Mal are good folks I would say lets all just be happy for what we have in this site and agree that the positives have always outweighed the negatives.
Peace
Peace
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Quote by funfor2sw
Sorry Mal
not quite the way it works as there will always be more non voters than voters therefore the winner will be the one with the majority of votes cast
this is really a straw poll but if nothing else this might high light the need for a proper vote or further action
In any event one way or another however big or small the members have spoken and should be properly acknowledged by management/owners and not dismissed in this way
This is not dismissal, it was acknowledging that if you feel strongly about it, then voice your feelings directly to Admin and they can make that decision based on responses from the membership. At the moment we have a voice of one, namely Dipper, who seems to feel they are talking on behalf of the majority. If they are, then they need to provide this information rather than just say they have the ear of the majority.
I deliberately haven't brought into this discussion about the good or bad of naming and shaming, that to me is a separate discussion. it has been discussed before and deemed not a good idea by those who participated in it. If someone wishes to restart the discussion, please feel free.
Mal
Sex God
Of course sometimes they dont listen and get a wee bit up emselves 
Shall we all just have sex >?
Shall we all just have sex >?
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Quote by Silk and Big G
Of course sometimes they dont listen and get a wee bit up emselves
Shall we all just have sex >?
ok - see you in half an hour!
Mal
Sex God
Hehehe if all else fails ..flirt XXXX
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Make lubricant not bombs
would it not be possible to bring in some sort of feedback rating system like a very well known auction site. For example, if a guy is genuine, he will get positive feeback score and other members/couples/singles etc will be in a better position to judge people before they reply/make contact whatever. I'm sure such a system must have been suggested at some point in the past but i dont recall seeing such a discussion.
Sex God
Quote by Applesandpairs
would it not be possible to bring in some sort of feedback rating system...(cut)... I'm sure such a system must have been suggested at some point in the past but i dont recall seeing such a discussion.
Oh no.... here we go again !!!
Sex God
Quote by Applesandpairs
would it not be possible to bring in some sort of feedback rating system like a very well known auction site. For example, if a guy is genuine, he will get positive feeback score and other members/couples/singles etc will be in a better position to judge people before they reply/make contact whatever. I'm sure such a system must have been suggested at some point in the past but i dont recall seeing such a discussion.
As your a relatively new member I'll point you in the direction of some of the myriad of threads that have been started, the first here is the most infamous on this site and the one that most refer to.
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/27234.html
http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/88787.html?highlight=
There are loads of others (if you use the "search" button at the top of the page and write the word "verification" you'll get loads), but the second link pretty much highlights the way any the discussions go. There are newer threads, but they don't usually get past 1 or 2 pages.
As for those having problems with others I'd recommend contacting us (ie mods/ops/admin) and making a complaint. If you're receiving messages from friends stating their having problems, please advise them to contact us. If we don't know, we can't try to help.
As stated by Mal it's unhelpful posting complaints in the forums and intimating that you speak for the majority.
Quote by Mal
As always....I defer to the "management" but judging from pm's and emails sent to us over "issues" on this site in the past, I will never be convinced that the majority view is honored on here. One must always remember that on a pay site, the maximum number of users generates the maximum income and an assholes cash is as good as the next guys.
there are over 900,000 members. The majority is therefore more than 450,000. I think we are in a better position regarding what the members want than you are, don't you think? Are you telling me that over 450,000 members have contacted you? Who set you up as the collater of this information and how were the membership informed of this?
We tend to look at the bigger picture rather than what cannot be more than a handful of PM's you must have received. and if you have received more than that and feel so strongly about it, why haven't you forwarded this on to the management to discuss, rather than bringing it to the forums where it would have little or no effect?
Mal
but how many active members??? how many of those members joined and then never came back once they realised that as a free site for them they get next to naf all
and as for saying take it to the management, theres lots of times ive seen posts saying that they never get a response when submitting a support ticket so I would imagine that most people think there is no point.
I have recently submitted a support ticket regarding a problem but have yet to recieve a reply,,,,but there again I would imagine with the changes on the site admin have got quite a few emails/complaints to sift through
Sex God
Quote by TabbynTina
but how many active members??? how many of those members joined and then never came back once they realised that as a free site for them they get next to naf all
As a site we get around 70,000 unique visitors per month (according to an independent traffic comparison site), so lets say that 5% are visitors (and that's being very generous) then that's 66,500 site users.
Quote by TabbynTina
and as for saying take it to the management, theres lots of times ive seen posts saying that they never get a response when submitting a support ticket so I would imagine that most people think there is no point.
So lets say that 1% of users complain and don't get a reply, or the reply that they want ... that'll be 665 people and of those 10% complain on the site, that's 66.5 complaints a month .... sorry, but I don't think we get 66.5 posts a month openly complaining about admins response, or lack of it.
The figures above are only a general idea to support the fact that all the people involved in the complaints procedure do take complaints seriously and do attempt to deal with them in an unbiased and fair way.
Quote by TabbynTina
I have recently submitted a support ticket regarding a problem but have yet to recieve a reply,,,,but there again I would imagine with the changes on the site admin have got quite a few emails/complaints to sift through
I can't comment on any individual case because I do not have access to all sections of the complaints system, but as you have already suggested there are a larger number of problems being generated as people help us find bugs and problems with the new site layout. I'm sure that admin will deal with your problem as quickly as possibly, but please understand that there are times when we do deal with the problem, but may not notify the complainant for one reason or another.
Sex God
So anyway I hope thats all clear Tom roflmao ( politics huh )
