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After Carefully Reading many adds / posts from various different people in both photo adds and the dogging forum, it seams strange to me that people put NO SINGLE MEN in dogging adds and posts but isn't that the nature of dogging ??? confused: :?: :?:
I have to disagree. It's up to the 'doggers' themsleves as to who they want to go dogging with.
Quote by Kiss
I have to disagree. It's up to the 'doggers' themsleves as to who they want to go dogging with.

The doggers ARE the single guys lol
Showing couples is what you mean wink
I don't get the "We don't want single guys" bit either, but hey! for all the couples who don't want the singles, it just means more singles for me :twisted: :grin:
TJ
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I have to disagree. It's up to the 'doggers' themsleves as to who they want to go dogging with.

The doggers ARE the single guys lol
Showing couples is what you mean wink
I don't get the "We don't want single guys" bit either, but hey! for all the couples who don't want the singles, it just means more singles for me :twisted: :grin:
TJ
You tart! :lol: :wink:
What I meant was that because that there isn't any seperate part where couples/females can advertise for outdoor 'dogging type' fun apart from in the dogging forum you have to specifiy 'no single males' because you are in a dogging section after all! :lol:
Or should couples advertise for 'dogging' fun for couples only int the LMU? I'm not being pedantic - I am actually asking, as I don't wish to cause offence in future.
Cheers!
the ones that make us laugh, are the couples that only seek the attention of other couples, then ask the lads on the dogging board to point them toward the best dogging sites :shock: lol then come back and have a whine because they got dogged :lol: and if they did see another couple, they couldn't get to them because the carpark was full of fellas :lol: :lol: and if they did get to them, the couple didn't want to know, because they were looking for doggers :lol: :lol:
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for all the couples who don't want the singles, it just means more singles for me :twisted: :grin:
TJ

You tart! lol wink
:smug: :smug: :evil2:
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Or should couples advertise for 'dogging' fun for couples only int the LMU? I'm not being pedantic - I am actually asking, as I don't wish to cause offence in future.

Well IMO they are asking for outdoor swinging so it should be in LMU, not dogging since that is not what they are asking for, but since more and more couples are now taking up an interest in their version of dogging, I daresay it's probably best to leave all outdoor persuits in one place, rather than all over the forum just for simplicity.
However, I AM being pedantic and saying outdoor sex, doesn't necessarily make it dogging :wink: :grin:
All that matters is that we all have fun in whatever form it takes :twisted:
TJ
i was only looking people's thoughts and not help to start dogging war III...lol
rolleyes
i was only looking people's thoughts and not help to start dogging war III...lol
rolleyes
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i was only looking people's thoughts and not help to start dogging war III...lol
rolleyes

Errrr I think World War III may be a slight exageration... :roll:
In fact I don't see/read any friction at all!
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We agree, dogging should include single guys. Couples looking for fun with only other couples outdoors, is errr simply outdoor swinging.
There you go, sticking up for single guys for a change.
Save our dogging. No couple to couple, no Arranged dogging meets.
Just turn up, its more fun. biggrin

worship :worship:
I asked the very same question once before http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/viewtopic/84452.html?highlight=
We do occassionally meet some couples we know off here and the ads have said no single males, but that is because we know that the places we are visiting already have a regular attendance.
But for me, dogging is a spur of the moment thing, off to a local car park for a bit of naughty fun, with a few well manered 'doggers' around wink
Quote by hotstuff_1974
i was only looking people's thoughts and not help to start dogging war III...lol
rolleyes

just because a post turned into a thread hotstuff, doesn't mean war has broken out lol it used to happen a lot in the days when people weren't just after a time and place :lol: mrs dirty thinks you are a bit of a looker by the way, and asks if there is some brazilian in ya? :lol: what a question to ask someone :roll: has she no shame? :cry:
I am sure that there are lots of couples out there who state "no single males" that wouldn't be adverse to the idea of being 'dogged' by single males, if there was a very high chance that the guys were going to behave. (No I'm not saying all couples are perfect either!)
My girlfriend and I tend to go through phases of dogging. As a female show couple we can feel vulnerable at times but we have had some very exciting and lovely encounters with unassuming guys who were just looking to watch what we wanted to show.
Sadly though our 'phases' have usually ended when one or two twats think they have a right to expect more than a show. Luckily the polite guys swiftly sort out the idiot(s), but it puts us off for a while, until we pluck up the courage again and venture out.
It seems for us to have some level of control about peoples expectations, which are now so varied thanks to the tabloids and the internet etc, we have had to forego some the spontaneity that we used to enjoy and even actively seek couples.
This is NOT me knocking single men as a whole; this is me relaying my girlfriends’ personal experiences and mine.
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mrs dirty thinks you are a bit of a looker by the way, and asks if there is some brazilian in ya? lol what a question to ask someone rolleyes has she no shame? :cry:

I was thinking the same... on both counts! In fact, I may even know the Brazilian :rascal:
We have stated before no to single males replying to our ad as we know there will be the single male at any site we visit - we are just a showing couple so don't require anyone else to join in. The request that we have made for other couples is so that we aren't just the only ones there. We have spoken to single males in the chat room and they know where we are.
What I'm tryin to say is that surely it's in the best interests of the single males to know that couples want other couples there too.
wink
The 5 single guys i played with last week made me very happy thank you biggrin
Gotta love em :twisted:
The 5 single guys i played with last week made me very happy thank you biggrin
Gotta love em :twisted:
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I have to disagree. It's up to the 'doggers' themsleves as to who they want to go dogging with.

I agree but if it's in a public place then singles will always turn up like vultures hoping for some action (or even a glimpse of some action) and spoil things if couples only were what you wanted.
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The 5 single guys i played with last week made me very happy thank you biggrin
Gotta love em :twisted:
greedy gal lol :D :D j/k hun glad you enjoyed yourself :thrilled: only wish i was there too :D
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I have to disagree. It's up to the 'doggers' themsleves as to who they want to go dogging with.

I agree but if it's in a public place then singles will always turn up like vultures hoping for some action (or even a glimpse of some action) and spoil things if couples only were what you wanted.
I'm not sure if this is a dig at me or single men or both. confused
My point is, if you advertise for another showing couple to meet you at a 'known' dogging spot the chances are there are going to be single men there anyway, so why advertise for more and risk some person who thinks that dogging = shagging spoiling it for all. I think that the men who know where to look and have the patience to wait around are far more likely to behave.
Like I said before, I don't think many couples would object to being watched by doggers who understand a little of the known etiquette, if they go to a dogging spot to have sex. And if they do then why are they out dogging? dunno
But I stand by my comment that it’s up to people who they advertise for.
IN EDIT: I thought DD made a great post and sad that they decided to delete it, but I'll leave mine on here and hope that it still makes sense.
Hi DD, I don't disagree with anything you have posted above.
Maybe I'm being dim then (it has been know lol) because since you have posted your thoughts there have been two new posts in the dogging section. One couple stating that they are going out dogging and are looking for another couple and another one with a male asking for mfm dogging action. Shouldn't somebody be saying "that this isn't dogging, go to the LMU?". I'm really not meaning to stir anything - I am genuinely interested in your (and others) thoughts.
What dogging means to me: when I have been dogging with my girlfriend we have only been a show couple and enjoyed the attentions of male voyeurs and sometimes couples. If we had chosen to play with any of the males we would have signalled them and invited them over. But until that point we wouldn't really want to be directly approached by anyone wanting to join in.
So... maybe the question is am I wrong? Am I expecting too much from the doggers? Maybe SH could add another section called outdoor swinging? A distinction between the two so people can understand more about what to expect from 'traditional' dogging.
I just wanted to add one more thing - I do go dogging on my own sometimes (as a 'dogger' not to play.) but if another couple told me to f*ck off I would remind them that they were in a public place, then perhaps share a few choice words with them. I'm NOT into single male bashing at all - there would be no dogging without them.
brazilian ??? no not me,
well i have learnt a bit from reading all the posts and what a mixed bag of replies and comments,
look forward to seeing you all around in the future !
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hi "kiss"...thanks for your compliment re our now deleted post lol :lol: ..i'm always doing that..this morning it was because i never had any breakfast..bloody ran out of cerials which upset me a bit..then i looked back on my post, edited the spelling and thought, as usual that it was all over the place, so it just had to go :lol: i couldn't even remember what the question had been in the end :lol:
i'll come back to your points later on, when i've remembered what i wrote earlier redface ....mrs dirty didn't upset hotstuff i hope? not sure if the rolleyes was to symbolise some displeasure at her suggestion he might have the latino spirit of south america searing through his genes.. :cry: she is half german anyway, so i'd not worry about it :lol:
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hi "kiss"...thanks for your compliment re our now deleted post lol :lol: ..i'm always doing that..this morning it was because i never had any breakfast..bloody ran out of cerials which upset me a bit..then i looked back on my post, edited the spelling and thought, as usual that it was all over the place, so it just had to go :lol: i couldn't even remember what the question had been in the end :lol:
i'll come back to your points later on, when i've remembered what i wrote earlier redface ....mrs dirty didn't upset hotstuff i hope? not sure if the rolleyes was to symbolise some displeasure at her suggestion he might have the latino spirit of south america searing through his genes.. :cry: she is half german anyway, so i'd not worry about it :lol:

No problem, thanks for replying and I look forward to reading your comments.
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After Carefully Reading many adds / posts from various different people in both photo adds and the dogging forum, it seams strange to me that people put NO SINGLE MEN in dogging adds and posts but isn't that the nature of dogging ??? confused: :?: :?:

NO! i didn't know the nature of dogging had anything to do with posting adds on an internet site regardless of whats wanted in the add. we've posted add's although never excluded anyone when posting, but to be honest if it's the said nature of dogging your interested in then you shouldn't need to look at adds anyhow you'd just turn up at a known dogging location and wait as any genuine or should i say "experienced doggers will tell you. the internet just helps to add to the guarantee of people being there when you go. we like to show as a couple but as a female i also like to dog and have met a female friend recently that does too, so just to add it's not just single men that are doggers oh and married men can and do too biggrin
But i've seen the adds you mean and i don't see a problem with them, if a couples going to a well known dogging site for instance, and their looking for a couple to tag along with or some girly fun, why should they also want single males? when they know there's already gonna be a sufficient amount already there, does that make sense :?:
dunno what to say now "kiss"? i've run out of steam lol but i promised i'd say something, so i guess i ought to redface
lets focus on the actual posts from couples seeking couple only then.."funscottish's" thoughts run similar to mine maybe? we don't really "define" dogging as such, being as all carpark fun is valid and contributes to the seediness :lol: however, having said that..the very term "dogger" needs clarifacation before its lost in the mists of time..and here, i'm sure we agree? i hope :lol:
a "dogger" being a man, woman or a couple who's motives for being in a public carpark (usually) are to be party (listning to, watching or partaking) in the sexual shenanigans of a couple..whilst persuing their interest, they would be "dogging"..traditionally thought of as a pro-active thing, whereby they might be "stalking" their intended prey unseen..but maybe more recently, merely hanging around in the carpark would could be considered "dogging" too..although it would be more "chilling with intent" :lol: fuck i wish i never started this now :lol: :lol:
anyway..as "dogging" has nothing to do with swinging (other than "doggers" looking to watch), nor advertising for arranged meets, organised gangbangs etc etc..there would be little real value in a "dogging board" other than for discussion (other than locations)..and clearly, that wouldn't be that successfull :lol: in fact, it would be simpler, or more practical to change the title of the "dogging board" to that encompassing carpark fun in general? then us exhibitionists, players and doggers could be part of that without having to worry about what falls within, or foul of definitions..
my thoughts are similar to your's "kiss", i'm not contradicting you..i'm not entirely sure what i think about it :lol: i don't give too much thought to it really :lol: :lol: evidently most of the posts are from people who have little idea of what dogging means..if it takes going to a carpark to get laid, well, a dogger they will be :lol: and many now sneak in the availability of their homes as an option for those not wishing to catch a chill :lol: :lol:
maybe part of the problem with internet dogging lies in the fact that people "want" something from the forums..they aren't interested in contributing or discussion..its "where" and "when"..now the single guys coming here want that information, or arranged meets with don't want to wait for anything sexual to amble along in it's own time..they want to know that if they are gonna get off their arse, they are gonna get laid..makes it easier for the married guys to say "i'm popping out for a hour luv" too :lol:
BUT..the couples coming here ain't usually looking for guys..the carpark game is attracting a whole new breed of swinger that doesn't want to visit a club, or invite people to their homes..carparks would appear an ideal alternative..when they see so many other couples advertising for the same, it validates their opinion that "dogging" is "swinging" and guys don't neccessarily feature on their landscape..
what the guys often fail to realise, is that most of the couples looking for single fellas have no need to advertise on the internet..some do, sure..those that want groups on a particular night, or one or two "select" guys..but with the one's seeking one, maybe two for a first experience, there is an overwhelming choice..so often they get very selective, simply because they can..details start to matter, and it often becomes a lengthy drawn out process with many cancellations on the way :lol: (cancelling becomes easier when there are plenty of fish in the sea) also there are many many sites catering for their desires and often the "arranging" becomes the more thrilling factor, so much so it becomes the end, not merely the means to an end.......i'm going off at a tangent again surprisedops: :lol:
its had a knock on effect in the carparks too..whereas three years ago, when we started out, most swap only couples were accepting in the fact guys (doggers) would show an interest..now they are getting more hostile to even the most subtle or considerate approach.."fuck off" has become our carpark catchphrase most weekends. :lol:..
recently, on another website, there was a post, on a dogging board titled "bring something to the party"..reading it, it became apparent that a couple of swingers had decided to go dogging..they put a plea on the board for locations, and acted on the information given..only when they got to the carpark, they were the only couple there, and amongst several single guys..the follow up post went some way to explaining their take on why "dogging" was a game in decline..single guys were coming out without their partners, but fully expecting to get involved :shock: :lol: ..not surprisingly, all the swingers, having found a voice, all jumped in and lauched a verbal onslaught toward the "sad fucks", "desperados" "zombies" etc... rolleyes .as such people gather strength in the carparks, they too are getting more vocal :lol:
maybe what i'm getting at is this..the internet has become a tool for guaranteeing sexual encounters..but ironically, often going out and doing it has a more productive can find their own brand of fun in the carparks..we've seen it all, even TV orgies :lol: the internet provides a poor barometer, and those who enthuse about their conquests the most, are those that encountered them by chance..arranged can, and does work..but my mate "the master" wouldn't bother with the internet himself wink :lol: nor do the overwhelming majority of couples we encounter out in the field..traditional exhibitionists and their "dogger" counterpart are still much in evidence.."out there" :lol: but i guess we represent an increasingly small percentage on internet boards pertaining to "the beautifull game"..the title "dogging board" is increassingly inapropiate i guess :lol: but as traditionilists, we have a place here too, if only for discussion and advice for those that show the right attitude..we've sent several guys "into the light" :lol: we are not here to keep the craft from dying out..its thriving..but its a specialised branch of a broader canvas :lol: only a small minority of newbies will have the "dogger's right stuff"..there is a post on here today..the guy went out and drew a blank..but he thought it was kinda cool watching the clouds racing across the full moon..thats the "right stuff"..otherwise its gonna be one helluva long night :lol:
if we apply the much cited fishing analogy.. :lol: maybe the internet has become the equivalent of tesco's fish counter..its ok, its fish, easily available and no waiting....but the guy on the riverbank isn't missing the point..is he?..that wasn't very clever was it? i'm crap at that stuff :oops: feel like a twat now..you can see why i delete most of my posts..i'll leave this though, in case you are replying :lol: promise though, if anything i've rambled on about seems contradictory, or wrong..get back to me..don't just leave it..i've made a pig's ear of this, so it would be good to be given the oppertunity to clarify any points i made :lol: just so you know where i'm coming from :lol: :lol:
worship
Thanks so much for your post! Its helped me realise that I was thinking that the Tescos fish counter was becoming the norm when in fact fishing still happens, so I don't have to panic just yet. lol :lol:
It's hard to know what to add really as your post seems to have encompassed everything I was worrying about/confused about.
I’m sorry if this seems such a lightweight response to your lengthy post but I really don’t know what else to say. Well except that I hope all newbies read it.
:thumbup:
I thnik to put it simply, dogging is watching and as soon as it become iteractive it becomes it's couples singles or any combination of the wide and varied combination of people the go out and about
we have met quite a few couples out and about and it makes a refreshing change from being asked (during) if I can touch, constantly, or in some instances not even asking at all :shock:
"kiss" behave..i could get used to such flattery, lol ok, i'll add some more :lol: :lol: (all the lads now think, ha, fat fucker thinks he's on a roll so gonna press his point home to weasel his way into kiss's affections) :shock: yeah, ok, so what redface :lol:
playing around with the Tesco's thing..we can also look at it like this maybe? go to tesco, and you'll find people that want their fish surprisedops: no fuss, no waiting and no hassle..go to the riverbank and you'll find the fishermen..in our experience, when we go to the larger busy venues, we find the guys expect sex, more often than not..the newbies make the large advertised sites their first port of call, and the girls that like their nooky in quantity find those venues busy enough to fit their requirements..in fact, voyeurs are often ridiculed as a waste of time..trust me, we've seen it and heard it just so many times..
for us, the little nooks and crannies serve our purposes far better..here the doggers see little, and expect even less..our quaint little show becomes a highlight of their week..its a balance, just enough "showing" couples to keep them dogging..its a different ballgame and the quality is so much better..the big sites can be good too, after rush hour..when all the shaggers have filled their boots..usually to the chorus of "ah well, time to go, J's on the table still, now't better in so i'll go an empty me sack into it" :shock: :lol:
like "outlaws", we too watch and show for other couples from time to time..its never arranged, and sometimes..shhh, the couples aren't exhibitionists either..they just get a bit horny knowing we are nearby..so get a bit daring..we know they like it, because usually they come back a week later at the same time and do it again :lol: :lol: so we return the favour..but they might not even consider it in the context of dogging wink again, its site dependant..at the busy sites its usually expected that our presence implies we'll be interactive..but then ours is a kinda freaky playground :lol:
hi mr dirty
i agree with all ur saying but have to say i go to a local big site u know it mr d but im glad that we get a cpl of cpls there that like the guys quieing up for there turn because that means they have been taken out of play so as when a new cpl come in or a cpl that wants to put on a show i can get my charm going lol.
i still see it everytime i go in a few of the guys start running around saying LOOK!!! so and so is here great ill get a shag/blowjob now and seems as everyone has heard em say it,they all troop off to the picnic table and leave me to dog the cpl that come in while they are over at the table.
sorry im rambling now lol just got up yes i know its but i was out till 4am looking for fun wink
valid point singledogger wink tricks of the trade i'd say from the dogging elite such as your good self and "the master" lol the gangbangers being kinda like "dogger decoys" you mean? :lol: i like the phrase "the doggers have been taken out of play" :lol: i know where you are coming from there :wink: fifteen plus guys apiece round the tables and cars of "j" "g" "s" and "c" kinda clears most of the carpark doesn't it :lol:
(you think you are rambling :shock: ? i just read my long post back, then the follow up..didn't understand a fucking word of it redface i thought "what twat wrote this"? :shock: then remembered it was me surprisedops: " :lol: