Have recently saw adverts from men, crossdressers, looking for dogging meets. One advert in particular stated pretty much, that it was another male he was looking for.
Do you agree, a male looking for another male or males for public places type meets or fun, should advertise in the men seeking or gay sections. . Surely dogging is a hetro or bi activity. I admit that male to male activity will go on in dogging but only where a female is there and is a participant in some way (and that could mean just watching). If a female is not there, then is it not just Gay cruising or Cottaging?
Am I wrong? If so why? What do you lot think.....
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Have recently saw adverts from men, crossdressers, looking for dogging meets. One advert in particular stated pretty much, that it was another male he was looking for.
Do you agree, a male looking for another male or males for public places type meets or fun, should advertise in the men seeking or gay sections. . Surely dogging is a hetro or bi activity. I admit that male to male activity will go on in dogging but only where a female is there and is a participant in some way (and that could mean just watching). If a female is not there, then is it not just Gay cruising or Cottaging?
Am I wrong? If so why? What do you lot think.....
Errr....
No......
You get males who "dogg" gay couples....quite a few cruising sites feature guys only interested in watching guys (obviously I cannot say whether some women like to "dogg" other female/female couples....unfortunately).
C'est la vie (why is life always female ?)
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Am I wrong? If so why? What do you lot think.....
I think...why does it matter?
Not all voyeurs are the same, not all exhibitionsts are the same. I would rather enjoy watching two men having fun in a car park - if they spotted me and then invited me closer to watch, it wouldn't suddenly make them bi if they happened to be two gay guys, just because of my (female) presence. Dogging isn't a sexual orientation, it's often a desire to watch or be watched, some people might want an "appropriate" audience to their own sexuality, others might not give a hoot.
I also doubt your comment that male to male activity will go on because a woman is present. If there mere presence of women made all men love cock, I know plenty of women who'd be sooooooooo happy
Perhaps the ads you've seen are men looking for men to have fun in the open air, in the hope of being watched. If so, the dogging section is a reasonable place to be
Serendipity, I was not suggesting that when 2 males and a female are present that gay sex was compulsory. I was acknowledging that it may and probably does happen on occasion. What I'm saying is that there seems to have been common well known gay phrases to describe open air type/public activities by homosexuals long before the term Dogging was coined.
Literature I have read over the years always seems to indicate that Dogging is a phrase to describe couples of the male female grouping who like to be watched or to have others join in in public places, particularly from a car.
So it seems to me that the popular meaning of the phrase would indicate a hetro side to the proceedings. In a scene where sexual activities are always clearly labeled and for good reason, to stop any confusion about what is wanted and what would be expected in that activity, I think it could be confusing to some as to what Dogging is about.
Now if the phrase has naturally progressed to include gays then so be it. But does that mean any sexual term or activity can be hi-jacked by another group even when there were already phrases which would do.
The meaning of the term Dogging seems to have always been unclear. It usually seems to boil down to 2. One being males out walking the dog as an excuse to "peep" into couples cars or 2 "to dogg" to persistantly go after couples to watch them in their cars or in open spaces.
Like I said if it's a natural progression then OK. But I'm not sure it's what was really intended when the word was popularised.
Literature I have read over the years always seems to indicate that Dogging is a phrase to describe couples of the male female grouping who like to be watched or to have others join in in public places, particularly from a car.
So it seems to me that the popular meaning of the phrase would indicate a hetro side to the proceedings. In a scene where sexual activities are always clearly labeled and for good reason, to stop any confusion about what is wanted and what would be expected in that activity, I think it could be confusing to some as to what Dogging is about.
Now if the phrase has naturally progressed to include gays then so be it. But does that mean any sexual term or activity can be hi-jacked by another group even when there were already phrases which would do.
The meaning of the term Dogging seems to have always been unclear. It usually seems to boil down to 2. One being males out walking the dog as an excuse to "peep" into couples cars or 2 "to dogg" to persistantly go after couples to watch them in their cars or in open spaces.
Like I said if it's a natural progression then OK. But I'm not sure it's what was really intended when the word was popularised.
Dogging is watching people have sex together.
It seems clear to me.
One presumes that gay men/women are people ?
Dogging, incidentally, was watching people have sex together without them knowing they were/are being watched.
Dogging seems to have moved-on in many peoples minds to watching people have sex, who both know you are watching and want to be watched. Probably since the advent of the sexual offences 2003 act....
Dogging, as a name, has been about since the late 1960's.
Dogging, as an act, has been about since people started having sex.
It seems clear to me.
One presumes that gay men/women are people ?
Dogging, incidentally, was watching people have sex together without them knowing they were/are being watched.
Dogging seems to have moved-on in many peoples minds to watching people have sex, who both know you are watching and want to be watched. Probably since the advent of the sexual offences 2003 act....
Dogging, as a name, has been about since the late 1960's.
Dogging, as an act, has been about since people started having sex.
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I admit that male to male activity will go on in dogging but only where a female is there and is a participant in some way (and that could mean just watching). If a female is not there, then is it not just Gay cruising or Cottaging?
Am I wrong? If so why? What do you lot think.....
Interesting as I've often wondered myself when I use the term 'Dogging' if I'm mis-using it
Invariably I go out looking for bi couples and/or with a female pal looking for bi males but invariably I end up playing with other 'straight' Doggers as the hours tick by (you know what I mean by 'straight')
So when does Dogging stop being Dogging and become cruising..? I know if some of the blokes I've played with thought they were 'gay cruising' they'd poop themselves... I think Dogging is a good catch all phrase for watching/joining in sex late at night in picnic areas and such like...
Interesting point though and like your profile, come Dog with me, and a female pal, in Scotland... we WON'T call it cruising :rascal:
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Like I said if it's a natural progression then OK. But I'm not sure it's what was really intended when the word was popularised.
Well, to borrow your rationale for a mo if I might, you're happy to use the word gay to describe someone whose orientation is homosexual and that's definitely not what was really intended when the word was popularised! Times do change.
For me, dogging has always meant voyeurism/exhibitionism in some form. But then as I don't fit neatly into "males out walking the dog" perhaps I'm naturally less inclined to worry about clear labels anyway
If you enjoy watching or being watched by a specific type of person e.g. a straight couple, is it really important who else might be indulging in the same thrill across the car park? You could argue that one lone straight male dogger peering through the window of a car at a couple who are putting on a show for him is not dogging at all but having a threesome if you felt the urge.
Don't you think trying to categorise who is/isn't dogging kinda takes the fun out of it though?
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jt i think you getting the dogging thing and the gay cruising thing mixed up a bit there your right dogging has been arounds for decades usually big city stuff motorways etc and holiday parks but now its moved into small town villages people have been watching courting cps longer than that thou i remember when i was little witnesing a cpl follocking around by a local swimming spot by the river 
gay cruising will always be that wether they decide to go bi because they see a female doesnt change the fact what they were there for in the first place but on the other hand if they play with or watch cpls aswell then they are dogging lol times have moved on things have changed perhaps dogging will take on another form as it seems to be dying out at the moment wouldnt you agree :D ?
gay cruising will always be that wether they decide to go bi because they see a female doesnt change the fact what they were there for in the first place but on the other hand if they play with or watch cpls aswell then they are dogging lol times have moved on things have changed perhaps dogging will take on another form as it seems to be dying out at the moment wouldnt you agree :D ?
Nothing is static in life.
You either move-on or atrophy.
Dogging is the same.
It started-out as watching couples, moved-along to couples deliberately allowing watching, and has now moved-on to watching and doing virtually anything sexual, and outside.
Gay cruising sites have guys there who only want to watch other guys...who am I to say they are not "dogging" those gay couples ?
Who are you to say that ?
You have your interpretation, I have mine and other people doubtless have theirs.
At the end of the day (or night) it makes no difference, since people generally do what they want.
You either move-on or atrophy.
Dogging is the same.
It started-out as watching couples, moved-along to couples deliberately allowing watching, and has now moved-on to watching and doing virtually anything sexual, and outside.
Gay cruising sites have guys there who only want to watch other guys...who am I to say they are not "dogging" those gay couples ?
Who are you to say that ?
You have your interpretation, I have mine and other people doubtless have theirs.
At the end of the day (or night) it makes no difference, since people generally do what they want.
