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So Ed Milliband is suggesting that he is going to re introduce the 10p tax rate having accepted that GB was wrong to bin it.
A bit pointless in my opinion - it will be a tiny amount of money (estimated at 22p per week) and the people who still moan and whine about it being taken away have not yet stopped moaning sufficiently long enough to thank the current government for taking them completely out of all tax responsibility.
Quote by Too Hot
So Ed Milliband is suggesting that he is going to re introduce the 10p tax rate having accepted that GB was wrong to bin it.
A bit pointless in my opinion - it will be a tiny amount of money (estimated at 22p per week) and the people who still moan and whine about it being taken away have not yet stopped moaning sufficiently long enough to thank the current government for taking them completely out of all tax responsibility.

Do not really understand the tax system, but surely paying no tax is better than paying a 10% tax? Or have I got this completely wrong?
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So Ed Milliband is suggesting that he is going to re introduce the 10p tax rate having accepted that GB was wrong to bin it.
A bit pointless in my opinion - it will be a tiny amount of money (estimated at 22p per week) and the people who still moan and whine about it being taken away have not yet stopped moaning sufficiently long enough to thank the current government for taking them completely out of all tax responsibility.

Do not really understand the tax system, but surely paying no tax is better than paying a 10% tax? Or have I got this completely wrong?
You are exactly right Star. The current government have increased the tax threshold to 9,400 and are committed to increase that still further. Already, all of the people who were affected by the abolition of the 10p rate and moaning about it being withdrawn are now not paying any tax at all. The return on another tax tier will just add complications and the coalition have got this one right - far better to increase the tax free allowance than bring in a pointless bottom tier.
I understand that from April this year 2,000,000 people will become non taxpayers and 24,000,000 will see a tax reduction as a consequence of the coalition governments tax policy of raising the tax threshold.
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So Ed Milliband is suggesting that he is going to re introduce the 10p tax rate having accepted that GB was wrong to bin it.
A bit pointless in my opinion - it will be a tiny amount of money (estimated at 22p per week) and the people who still moan and whine about it being taken away have not yet stopped moaning sufficiently long enough to thank the current government for taking them completely out of all tax responsibility.

'He that Giveth, shall Taketh Away'
In addition to the referendum on Europe, this is another good reason for everyone to vote conservative at the next election. They are committed to continuous raising of the personal allowance limit and bringing more and more people out of tax altogether.
UKIP would also raise the threshold and make a single combined tax/ni rate of 31% with no upper band. This would benefit the low paid and self employed to a degree but would be a massive tax refund the high rollers who would see their tax bill slashed not from 50% to 40% but right down to 31%.
But I still would not vote for them.
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They are committed to continuous raising of the personal allowance limit and bringing more and more people out of tax altogether.

The £10k limit will be done just before the next election - cast iron guarantee....
Of course it will, it's too big a vote winner not to happen, despite the fact that the difference between current and 10k limit is so little in real terms.
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Of course it will, it's too big a vote winner not to happen, despite the fact that the difference between current and 10k limit is so little in real terms.

Aside from taking 2,000,000 people out of tax and reducing the tax payable of 22,000,000 more.
TH, I meant in real terms of cash in people's pocket. What was it you said? 22p a week?
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TH, I meant in real terms of cash in people's pocket. What was it you said? 22p a week?

No that is labours alternative 10 p tax rate.
Hang on, we had a 2.5% increase in vat in 2011 with the possibility of raising it to 25% looking ever likely.

Give in one, take back and then some a little later, pah!
Sorry TH, that's just me getting confused by a letter p or k smile
However i stand by my point that the difference in personal allowance will be £800 per year, so thats per day. Better, but not much. Especially when we consider the likely increases in VAT, petrol tax, car tax, airline tax anyotherthingyoucaretomention tax lol
Taxation is always going to be a moving tapestry of ideas as any Government tries to balance income and expenditure. We are in a recession at the moment and all of the various studies, surveys and predictions have to make assumptions on growth, recession or stability and each of those sectors will have variables depending on which part of the economy is performing and which isn't.
There is a generally correct assumption that the lowest paid in society are the people who will be the engine of an economic recovery as they tend to spend what they have locally and so giving the lowest paid more money to spend by reducing their tax is a way to get more money spent in the local economy. Taking people out of tax is for sure going to create a tax shortfall in a status quo but the intention is that more money in people's pockets will trickle through the economy thus improving it.
Different politics, different taxes, different solutions - we will never really know what is right until it is tried and tested.
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They are committed to continuous raising of the personal allowance limit and bringing more and more people out of tax altogether.

The £10k limit will be done just before the next election - cast iron guarantee....
Could even be higher than that GnV. Talk has it that their target is £12k
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They are committed to continuous raising of the personal allowance limit and bringing more and more people out of tax altogether.

The £10k limit will be done just before the next election - cast iron guarantee....
Could even be higher than that GnV. Talk has it that their target is £12k
Only possible if the LibDems relent on some of the Conservative's other key policies wink
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Only possible if the LibDems relent on some of the Conservative's other key policies wink

GnV after the next election I think the Libdems will be a spent force in British politics. Their supporters will leave in droves after their party sold their soul to the Tory's.
If I could be bothered ( which I can't ) I would put up a couple of You Tube videos of that Clegg bloke telling everyone what his parties policies are, and how he has sold them all down the river, simply so he can snuggle up to Cameron in a bit of power sharing. People will remember his promises like University fees and how he let the Tory's triple the cost of the fees so a typical student who graduates will have a debt around their necks.
Watch the Libdems get a hammering in the next by election coming up real soon. I do not think Cameron will get a majority next time as the Libs will be slaughtered at the next election, UKIP will see a huge increase and Labour could get in. There could even be another power share but with UKIP taking the place of Clegg's rabble.
Would not worry about the Libdems GnV.............they won't be around soon, sold their souls and their principles down the River Thames.
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Only possible if the LibDems relent on some of the Conservative's other key policies wink

GnV after the next election I think the Libdems will be a spent force in British politics. Their supporters will leave in droves after their party sold their soul to the Tory's.
If I could be bothered ( which I can't ) I would put up a couple of You Tube videos of that Clegg bloke telling everyone what his parties policies are, and how he has sold them all down the river, simply so he can snuggle up to Cameron in a bit of power sharing. People will remember his promises like University fees and how he let the Tory's triple the cost of the fees so a typical student who graduates will have a debt around their necks.
Watch the Libdems get a hammering in the next by election coming up real soon. I do not think Cameron will get a majority next time as the Libs will be slaughtered at the next election, UKIP will see a huge increase and Labour could get in. There could even be another power share but with UKIP taking the place of Clegg's rabble.
Would not worry about the Libdems GnV.............they won't be around soon, sold their souls and their principles down the River Thames.
How would you explain the change in opinion polls in Eastleigh then? According to the Times this morning the Lib Dems have overturned a 4 point Conservative lead and are now 7 points ahead of the Conservatives. Bookies suggest that what was, an odds on Tory victory a couple of weeks ago is now far from it and give the Tories a less than 30% chance of success.
Strange that the "hammering" you predict is not reflected in the opinion polls and as opposed to being a "spent force" as you describe with supporters "leaving in droves" they appear to be standing firm and moving towards holding the Eastleigh seat.
I don't have an opinion one way or the other about this but I reckon that writing very forceful opinions like this might leave you open to a bit of ridicule later on when the results come in. We can all perhaps understand why you think the way that you do but the evidence at the moment does not support your opinion.
I guess only time will tell if you are wrong, again...
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I guess only time will tell if you are wrong, again...

A bit presumptuous of you as always TH. I cannot recall a single time when you have proved me wrong, you have lots of opinions and ideas but I won't ask for your opinion thank you, as you get all huffy puffy when I do. innocent
Maria Hutchings has put her big Tory foot in it and the Labour guy John O'Farrell's with regards to the IRA's bombing of the then PM. Have a Google TH as I am sure if that by election was being held in my town I would not be voting for either of them two either. By elections are one thing, but the General election is always something totally different.
The Times though? Has it still got a readership then? Yes it seems a readership of , which I would say is about as much as the knitting magazines gets.
you take tax off something.
a stealth tax recoups the losses.
the only thing which is free is nothing.
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you take tax off something.
a stealth tax recoups the losses.
the only thing which is free is nothing.

Air??
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you take tax off something.
a stealth tax recoups the losses.
the only thing which is free is nothing.

Air??
lol
A great bit of marketing, musta got off his backside!
Quote by Too Hot
How would you explain the change in opinion polls in Eastleigh then? According to the Times this morning the Lib Dems have overturned a 4 point Conservative lead and are now 7 points ahead of the Conservatives. Bookies suggest that what was, an odds on Tory victory a couple of weeks ago is now far from it and give the Tories a less than 30% chance of success.

See TH what happens when you buy rubbish newspaper with a readership the size of a 40p stamp?

I wonder what the Times is saying now old chap. lol
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How would you explain the change in opinion polls in Eastleigh then? According to the Times this morning the Lib Dems have overturned a 4 point Conservative lead and are now 7 points ahead of the Conservatives. Bookies suggest that what was, an odds on Tory victory a couple of weeks ago is now far from it and give the Tories a less than 30% chance of success.

See TH what happens when you buy rubbish newspaper with a readership the size of a 40p stamp?

I wonder what the Times is saying now old chap. lol
Your initial post "lib Dems - slaughtered, spent force, abandoned in droves"
Your current post " Tories edge ahead"
You are still wrong and I thank you for proving yourself wrong, ... Again.
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Your initial post "lib Dems - slaughtered, spent force, abandoned in droves"
Your current post " Tories edge ahead"
You are still wrong and I thank you for proving yourself wrong, ... Again.

Am I wrong? Sorry TH I think your comments have proved to be without foundation, allbeit from that paper you read, but you still posted their story.
The Libs will get a hammering and UKIP will see a rise. Where am I wrong in that statement exactly? lol
Not my best area politics at all .. but even so .. after Labour had 12 years of incompetence and almost bankrupted the country. After only 4 years would you vote them back in with the same guy looking after the money and The guy out of Wallace and Gromit leading us?
Just noticed Stars .. I agree totally for once .. Barca are the best by far in the beautiful game. Has any party other than Labour or Cons been in charge yet?
Not up on this tax at all .. is it everyone on 10p until £12k .. happy with that here if it is. Not likely though i know... Earlier today heard at work from a top geezer at a non bankrupt performing hedge fund at lunch something like .. that things will improve later this year .. in short.. there is a mountain of cash somewhere with no interest at all but safe from harm.. conditions say that will begin moving back into the economy's which in turn will improve things from then .. but that was before our credit rating downgrade which may fook everyone for another decade perhaps.
Isnt UKIP the one with Dodgy George Galloway in it then? Thought they had the same amount of votes as the fun ones like the greens and the Right wing mentalists.
So ... after the state the last lot left us in .. would you really vote them in again with it still a daily reminder for most living here?
Big Dave is having a go at it i think ... Should give em another term at least to find out ...
J
Quote by starlightcouple

Only possible if the LibDems relent on some of the Conservative's other key policies wink

GnV after the next election I think the Libdems will be a spent force in British politics. Their supporters will leave in droves after their party sold their soul to the Tory's.
If I could be bothered ( which I can't ) I would put up a couple of You Tube videos of that Clegg bloke telling everyone what his parties policies are, and how he has sold them all down the river, simply so he can snuggle up to Cameron in a bit of power sharing. People will remember his promises like University fees and how he let the Tory's triple the cost of the fees so a typical student who graduates will have a debt around their necks.
Watch the Libdems get a hammering in the next by election coming up real soon. I do not think Cameron will get a majority next time as the Libs will be slaughtered at the next election, UKIP will see a huge increase and Labour could get in. There could even be another power share but with UKIP taking the place of Clegg's rabble.
Would not worry about the Libdems GnV.............they won't be around soon, sold their souls and their principles down the River Thames.
Lib Dems = spent force.....supporters left in droves.....watch the Lib Dems get a hammering in the next (Eastleigh) by election.....Libs slaughtered
After the week they have had it is a major surprise to see that none of the above has happened and they retained the seat. Looks like the xenophobes are in the driving seat at the moment though taking votes off everyone. So funny to hear Neil Hamilton on QT last night stating real UKIP policy - that the coalition welfare cuts are neither deep enough nor fast enough. LOL I bet that came as a shock to some who had voted for them.
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Lib Dems = spent force.....supporters left in droves.....watch the Lib Dems get a hammering in the next (Eastleigh) by election.....Libs slaughtered
After the week they have had it is a major surprise to see that none of the above has happened and they retained the seat. Looks like the xenophobes are in the driving seat at the moment though taking votes off everyone. So funny to hear Neil Hamilton on QT last night stating real UKIP policy - that the coalition welfare cuts are neither deep enough nor fast enough. LOL I bet that came as a shock to some who had voted for them.

Yes I have to admit TH that I am suprised and was wrong on my predictions on the Lib Dems in this by election.
What I am not suprised about though is UKIP taking large chunks out of the Tories. I think that will continue to happen, so my question would be how can Cameron possibly hope to win the next election? At the last election he did not get an overall majority and if UKIP continues to get the Tory votes where does that leave the Tories in their fight for an overall majority at the next election, and for a lot of voters if that were to happen no vote on Europe. So those people will possibly vote UKIP in the hope they will get some kind of power sharing and the power to force the majority party to hold a referendum.
If UKIP keep doing this it is certainly not inconceivable that Labour could end up winning the next election but possibly power sharing with UKIP.
As for Neil Hamilton I do rather like his quirky character and the ability to take the piss out of himself. As you watched QT last night TH, who was that ghastly Tory woman who was put right in her place by Dimbleby , over the obvious inability to keep her mouth shut? What a horrid woman I have to say.
The Tory toffs Cameron and in particular Osborne have been possibly shown for what they are. The UK's triple AAA credit rating, the very thing Osborne based his strategy on and how he felt people would judge him, have shown that he is losing the battle.
As we saw last night TH people are really not that bothered anymore about any of the parties and not bothering with voting either. Most young people that I know through my own kids don't bother to vote. As Hamilton mentioned last night only 60% of people now bother to vote which is dreadful, but as all the three main parties are really all the same now, a lot of people just cannot be bothered with any politician now and I can understand why.
Losing our triple A rating is going to have disastrous affects for all of us in one way or another, and I can see the similarities with Osborne and Brown. Both Chancellors and both clueless about how to do the job they are paid to do, and will leave their office with the economy and country being in a worse state than when they took over the mantle from their predecessors.
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Most young people that I know through my own kids don't bother to vote.

Most young people I know these days are interesting in their future and would be willing to vote, they just think the way politicians portray themselves with their in house squabbles is laughable and worse than what they see at school.
I have to say, I agree with the young I speak to on a daily basis.
They don't want to see this type of behaviour they have had enough with dealing with it at school.