The thing I notice for the "evidence" photos are when did they get taken? After the collapse and clear up when the girders needed cutting down, were they used then? Or cutting torches after the collapse? The photos in themselves prove nothing of substance.
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.........of all places to discuss this conspiracy theory lol! a lot of people on here have enough issues in their lives without confusing and frightening them with big truths.....as for no evidence there are a number of great documentary's around, just open your dammed eyes.....oh and by the way did you hear some conspiracy fruitcakes actually believe the world is ROUND!! lol where's the proof? we all know its flat and you fall off the edge if you sail too far.
Quote by Bluefish2009
I am not in total disagreement with you, my problems lie with WT7
So what exactly are the exact problems with WT7? The debunking link said a lot of why WT7 collapsed. Which bits are you unsure of?
Dave_Notts
Very simple for me Dave, unable to back this up with data or an explanation, it fell in a way that is way too perfect. For demolition crews it takes years to learn how to place charges in all the correct places and they all need to go of at the exact correct time to cut the steel structure at the correct time, or they topple one way or another, for this to all happen by an accident is very difficult to comprehend.
we also see more and more professional's who do understand buildings and there demolition, questioning the official storey
There is another thread in the forums talking about how gut feelings are so often correct, my gut instinct is some thing about WT7 does not add up! :wink:
Can you explain how this all took place.
The terrorist`s hijack planes and crash them into the twin towers, and it just so happens that the US government had a plan to blow up WT7 on exactly the the same day.
The planes they had no knowledge of, just happened to hit the twin towers next door.
The towers were designed and built using a method no other buildings had used on this scale.
Fuel heated the steel to failure point the structural strength failed, and gravity did the rest.
WT7 sustained severe damage from debris of the twin towers, it burnt out of control then fell down.
As the meerkat says "SIMPLES"
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I am not in total disagreement with you, my problems lie with WT7
So what exactly are the exact problems with WT7? The debunking link said a lot of why WT7 collapsed. Which bits are you unsure of?
Dave_Notts
Very simple for me Dave, unable to back this up with data or an explanation, it fell in a way that is way too perfect. For demolition crews it takes years to learn how to place charges in all the correct places and they all need to go of at the exact correct time to cut the steel structure at the correct time, or they topple one way or another, for this to all happen by an accident is very difficult to comprehend.
we also see more and more professional's who do understand buildings and there demolition, questioning the official storey
There is another thread in the forums talking about how gut feelings are so often correct, my gut instinct is some thing about WT7 does not add up! :wink:
Can you explain how this all took place.
The terrorist`s hijack planes and crash them into the twin towers, and it just so happens that the US government had a plan to blow up WT7 on exactly the the same day.
The planes they had no knowledge of, just happened to hit the twin towers next door.
The towers were designed and built using a method no other buildings had used on this scale.
Fuel heated the steel to failure point the structural strength failed, and gravity did the rest.
WT7 sustained severe damage from debris of the twin towers, it burnt out of control then fell down.
As the meerkat says "SIMPLES"
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Quote by Max777
About 911
only three steel structures in history have fallen due to fires and they fell on September 11th, now that is 1 hell of a coincidence.
Maybe the coincidence is the fact that 2 of them are the only steel structures of that type to have been hit ( as far as I'm aware) by airliners fully laden with aviation fuel and the third was in very close proximity?
aviation fuel burned off straight away as everyone seen in a great fireball.
To melt the steel in the towers would have needed a temp far exceeding the fireball and sustained for quite some time
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There was an experiment carried out on steel with a pit of burning fuel. To make it fail (not melt, not explode) took about 2 minutes. It was one of the experiments to kick the truthers in to touch........but they said it doesn't prove anything.
Hmmmmm come up with a theory, get it disproved and then dismiss it out of hand. This is why conspiracists are ridiculed
Dave_Notts
Dave
i would love a link to more info on what you claim so i can research it. But there was no pit of fuel in either of the twin towers the fuel exploded on impact.
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The conspiracy theories are red herrings.....it is irrelevant who planned and carried out the attacks the result is still with us,there remains in certain sections of the west the will to curb the influence of the Muslim east there remains in certain sections of the east the will to curb the influence of the Christian west...we can only be thankful that on the whole the muslim world did not react as planned and ashamed that the we did
Is that all of the West Staggers or just some? When you say we, does that include yourself.
I do not blame Islam.
I blame those people who crashed the planes and planned it, who as an aside were Islamic.
Dave_Notts
I blame the deaths in the crashes on those who crashed the planes....they however are not responsible for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan....not all sparks light fuses... there is no reason why the western world should have reacted as it did other than the fact that there was/is the political will to do so,had we reacted differently perhaps a few more bridges could have been crossed rather than burnt.
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Nice pictures but not really relevant to the debate even if the structural design of the load-bearing elements was identical to that of the WTC as that hotel didn't suffer a catastrophic failure of a significant part of its load-bearing structure due to the amount of energy imparted following the impact of over 125,000kg of B767 flying at 400kts. It also didn't suffer the pan-caking of one floor onto another. It's time a lot of these non-believers/conspiracy theorists got themselves clued-up on the difference between static loads and dynamic loads to understand why the collapses occurred.
I'm leaving this thread now.
what puzzles us is what exactly are people like yourselves afraid of....maybe the truth? 100 million so called coincidences and you still would deny it.
Why was ground zero not sealed off as a scene of a crime????
Why was the remaining steel allowed to be removed to staton island the very next day????
Why was it sold to the Chinese immediately???
Why was the gold from one towers vault found in the back of a lorry under the other tower???
Why no full inquiry where every single witness gave evidence????
If as you say and the murderers across the pond it was all a coincedence then why are they afraid to have a second independent inquiry????
3 steel towers collapse the very same day in the same city??????
instead of helping the murders why not put your heads together with truthists (not conspiracy theorists) and come up with the truth for the sake of the 3000 or so poor souls who were murdered that day?????
Where are the other 2 planes wreckage...after all Lockerbys plane hit the ground just as fast and it left wreckage everywhere....in fact every plane crash in history has left wreckage except the 3 on 911..oh sorry i forgot...a coincidence.
how many coincidences will it take for the sheeple to wake up?
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Nice pictures but not really relevant to the debate even if the structural design of the load-bearing elements was identical to that of the WTC as that hotel didn't suffer a catastrophic failure of a significant part of its load-bearing structure due to the amount of energy imparted following the impact of over 125,000kg of B767 flying at 400kts. It also didn't suffer the pan-caking of one floor onto another. It's time a lot of these non-believers/conspiracy theorists got themselves clued-up on the difference between static loads and dynamic loads to understand why the collapses occurred.
I'm leaving this thread now.
I am not in total disagreement with you, my problems lie with WT7
Hi
im afraid your wasting your time...debunkers are just as imaginative as theorists im a truthist myself.
If george bush came in front of the cameras and admitted he helped plot 911 the debunkers will be too busy debunking his story and the theorists to busy theorising.
Quote by Dave__Notts
I am not in total disagreement with you, my problems lie with WT7
So what exactly are the exact problems with WT7? The debunking link said a lot of why WT7 collapsed. Which bits are you unsure of?
Dave_Notts
debunking is just as far from the truth as the theorists
your names not dave bush by the way?
Quote by Bluefish2009
I am not in total disagreement with you, my problems lie with WT7
So what exactly are the exact problems with WT7? The debunking link said a lot of why WT7 collapsed. Which bits are you unsure of?
Dave_Notts
Very simple for me Dave, unable to back this up with data or an explanation, it fell in a way that is way too perfect. For demolition crews it takes years to learn how to place charges in all the correct places and they all need to go of at the exact correct time to cut the steel structure at the correct time, or they topple one way or another, for this to all happen by an accident is very difficult to comprehend.
we also see more and more professional's who do understand buildings and there demolition, questioning the official storey
There is another thread in the forums talking about how gut feelings are so often correct, my gut instinct is some thing about WT7 does not add up! :wink:
your forgetting the other 2 towers fell the same....oh i keep forgetting.....coincidence
i think the new towers which will replace the old ones should be called the coincidence towers after the amount of coincidences which the debunkers will have you believe happened that day.
Dave if your reading this why not become a truthist and demand a full independent inquiry for the sake of the murdered thousands....we owe it to them. your just helping the murderers hide their crimes by spreading garbage like the theorists. Both theorists and debunkers are a waste of space.
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I am not in total disagreement with you, my problems lie with WT7
So what exactly are the exact problems with WT7? The debunking link said a lot of why WT7 collapsed. Which bits are you unsure of?
Dave_Notts
Very simple for me Dave, unable to back this up with data or an explanation, it fell in a way that is way too perfect. For demolition crews it takes years to learn how to place charges in all the correct places and they all need to go of at the exact correct time to cut the steel structure at the correct time, or they topple one way or another, for this to all happen by an accident is very difficult to comprehend.
we also see more and more professional's who do understand buildings and there demolition, questioning the official storey
There is another thread in the forums talking about how gut feelings are so often correct, my gut instinct is some thing about WT7 does not add up! :wink:
So as you have said it takes years to perfect the demolition of a building. Can you answer me then, how did they plant the demolitions, cut through supports and prepare the building for demolition without anyone knowing at all? All the demolition experts have testified that it takes about 2+ weeks to prepare a building like that and thats in full view of everyone.
Whena building is blown there is always bits of evidence all around to show it was blown. The truthers try to say that a super duper new explosive that leaves nothing was used.......or an alien craft came down and gave it a zap without anyone seeing
Gut feelings are one thing, jumping to the wrong conclusion is another.
Dave_Notts
Dave the evidence is there
traces of military grade thermite found in every inch of dust which fell on New York....oh im sure i got amnesia i keep forgetting the word coincidence. Have you also forgotten the six weeks a contractor was working in the towers elevator shafts with no sniffer dogs...argghhh shite sorry dave another coincidence. If the core columns had remained standing i might have fell for your debunking STORY about the floors pancaking. I could show you 100 photos of before and after shots of steel building infernos but debunkers have a knack of saying this word irrelevant. Debunkers are the opposite of theorists and guess what....they are both making up stories and throw out evidence to suit their cause. only truthists are anywhere near the truth.
Quote by Bluefish2009
I am not in total disagreement with you, my problems lie with WT7
So what exactly are the exact problems with WT7? The debunking link said a lot of why WT7 collapsed. Which bits are you unsure of?
Dave_Notts
Very simple for me Dave, unable to back this up with data or an explanation, it fell in a way that is way too perfect. For demolition crews it takes years to learn how to place charges in all the correct places and they all need to go of at the exact correct time to cut the steel structure at the correct time, or they topple one way or another, for this to all happen by an accident is very difficult to comprehend.
we also see more and more professional's who do understand buildings and there demolition, questioning the official storey
There is another thread in the forums talking about how gut feelings are so often correct, my gut instinct is some thing about WT7 does not add up! :wink:
So as you have said it takes years to perfect the demolition of a building. Can you answer me then, how did they plant the demolitions, cut through supports and prepare the building for demolition without anyone knowing at all? All the demolition experts have testified that it takes about 2+ weeks to prepare a building like that and thats in full view of everyone.
Whena building is blown there is always bits of evidence all around to show it was blown. The truthers try to say that a super duper new explosive that leaves nothing was used.......or an alien craft came down and gave it a zap without anyone seeing
Gut feelings are one thing, jumping to the wrong conclusion is another.
Dave_Notts
I have not jumped to any conclusion, in fact, quite the opposite, I am reserving judgment on some thing I feel has yet to be fully explained
The explosive is thermite, thermate that I think you talk of, in action in this video;
This is an interesting video also
Newtons law
dont feel theres anything wrong in your questioning the events your just being a truthist who wants the truth. Dont listen to debunkers like dave and the theorists they both are feeding you false info
Quote by Dave__Notts
The conspiracy theories are red herrings.....it is irrelevant who planned and carried out the attacks the result is still with us,there remains in certain sections of the west the will to curb the influence of the Muslim east there remains in certain sections of the east the will to curb the influence of the Christian west...we can only be thankful that on the whole the muslim world did not react as planned and ashamed that the we did
Is that all of the West Staggers or just some? When you say we, does that include yourself.
I do not blame Islam.
I blame those people who crashed the planes and planned it, who as an aside were Islamic.
Dave_Notts
Are you sure your surname isnt bush?
In the years since ive been seeking the truth it leads me to believe that white skin caused it not brown skin.
The thing I notice for the "evidence" photos are when did they get taken? After the collapse and clear up when the girders needed cutting down, were they used then? Or cutting torches after the collapse? The photos in themselves prove nothing of substance.
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surprise surprise dave i nearly got there before you damn i knew what you were going to say its exactly like listening to a theorist except the other way around....lol
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surprise surprise dave i nearly got there before you damn i knew what you were going to say its exactly like listening to a theorist except the other way around....lol
Quote by cuckold4u
.........of all places to discuss this conspiracy theory lol! a lot of people on here have enough issues in their lives without confusing and frightening them with big truths.....as for no evidence there are a number of great documentary's around, just open your dammed eyes.....oh and by the way did you hear some conspiracy fruitcakes actually believe the world is ROUND!! lol where's the proof? we all know its flat and you fall off the edge if you sail too far.
in a nut shell cuckold4u lol
Quote by robbo-bi1
I am not in total disagreement with you, my problems lie with WT7
So what exactly are the exact problems with WT7? The debunking link said a lot of why WT7 collapsed. Which bits are you unsure of?
Dave_Notts
Very simple for me Dave, unable to back this up with data or an explanation, it fell in a way that is way too perfect. For demolition crews it takes years to learn how to place charges in all the correct places and they all need to go of at the exact correct time to cut the steel structure at the correct time, or they topple one way or another, for this to all happen by an accident is very difficult to comprehend.
we also see more and more professional's who do understand buildings and there demolition, questioning the official storey
There is another thread in the forums talking about how gut feelings are so often correct, my gut instinct is some thing about WT7 does not add up! :wink:
Can you explain how this all took place.
The terrorist`s hijack planes and crash them into the twin towers, and it just so happens that the US government had a plan to blow up WT7 on exactly the the same day.
The planes they had no knowledge of, just happened to hit the twin towers next door.
The towers were designed and built using a method no other buildings had used on this scale.
Fuel heated the steel to failure point the structural strength failed, and gravity did the rest.
WT7 sustained severe damage from debris of the twin towers, it burnt out of control then fell down.
As the meerkat says "SIMPLES"
definatelly got to call the new towers the coincidence towers
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10 out of 10 for persistence, but a big fat zero for providing any evidence.
Slow down and freeze the second plane strike and let us know whats strapped to the bottom of the plane?
I did as you requested. You do know what a wing belly fairing is and its function with regards to the main landing gear don't you?
My advice: when in a hole, stop digging.
i did look at photos of the said plane and guess what it ain't got one visible...go look yourself don't believe my word only then will it hit home.
im after the truth not an excuse or story
Quote by Louise4Darren
About 911
only three steel structures in history have fallen due to fires and they fell on September 11th, now that is 1 hell of a coincidence.
Maybe the coincidence is the fact that 2 of them are the only steel structures of that type to have been hit ( as far as I'm aware) by airliners fully laden with aviation fuel and the third was in very close proximity?
aviation fuel burned off straight away as everyone seen in a great fireball.
To melt the steel in the towers would have needed a temp far exceeding the fireball and sustained for quite some time
Go missing for a day and a page and a half gets written.
Darren, now you are saying there are three groups looking at this? Debunkers, truthers and theorists. The theorists and truthers say the same thing so it is just two.
The photos of the cut steel does not need a debunker to ask the questions, as by looking at them I came up with a similar one. When were they taken? It is a simple enough question and a simple enough answer should follow. It even had a rescue worker in the foreground so he could corroborate your story.
You have said that no wreckage was found. NIL posted photos of the pentagon covered in plane wreckage. Was that faked?
You also stated that an aircraft flew into the Towers with a bomb attached. Where is it?
I ain't a debunker or theorist or truther. Just a normal person who sees a story and asks questions. When the answers come back as gobble-de- or mysteriously silent then I have doubts on their validity.
I was told "If it looks like shit and smells of shit then it usually is shit." Until proof and not faith is put forward then I won't believe.
Dave_Notts
Darren, now you are saying there are three groups looking at this? Debunkers, truthers and theorists. The theorists and truthers say the same thing so it is just two.
The photos of the cut steel does not need a debunker to ask the questions, as by looking at them I came up with a similar one. When were they taken? It is a simple enough question and a simple enough answer should follow. It even had a rescue worker in the foreground so he could corroborate your story.
You have said that no wreckage was found. NIL posted photos of the pentagon covered in plane wreckage. Was that faked?
You also stated that an aircraft flew into the Towers with a bomb attached. Where is it?
I ain't a debunker or theorist or truther. Just a normal person who sees a story and asks questions. When the answers come back as gobble-de- or mysteriously silent then I have doubts on their validity.
I was told "If it looks like shit and smells of shit then it usually is shit." Until proof and not faith is put forward then I won't believe.
Dave_Notts
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Go missing for a day and a page and a half gets written.
Darren, now you are saying there are three groups looking at this? Debunkers, truthers and theorists. The theorists and truthers say the same thing so it is just two.
The photos of the cut steel does not need a debunker to ask the questions, as by looking at them I came up with a similar one. When were they taken? It is a simple enough question and a simple enough answer should follow. It even had a rescue worker in the foreground so he could corroborate your story.
You have said that no wreckage was found. NIL posted photos of the pentagon covered in plane wreckage. Was that faked?
You also stated that an aircraft flew into the Towers with a bomb attached. Where is it?
I ain't a debunker or theorist or truther. Just a normal person who sees a story and asks questions. When the answers come back as gobble-de- or mysteriously silent then I have doubts on their validity.
I was told "If it looks like shit and smells of shit then it usually is shit." Until proof and not faith is put forward then I won't believe.
Dave_Notts
firstly you got it wrong
debunkers and theorists make it up with little evidence
truthists are looking for the truth
secondly did you watch the video showing the metal work dribbling outside the cut
thirdly get me evidence of plane crash debris at the pentagon (not the image of the little piece of blue and white twisted metal which isn't even scorch marked that will not do) Also any idea where the plane dissapeared too...dont you even mention the word vaporised by fuel those engines would have took ages under sustained high temperatures to melt.
4- considering the pentagon and and surrounding area is the most watched in the world per square foot(via cctv) where is the debunkers (or theorists) videos or photographs of the plane strike. Oh there isnt any only four or five frames released by the pentagon. And guess what it doesnt show any plane.
So a message for all debunkers and theorists please stop dreaming as your hindering the truthists movement in getting justice for the victims.
" Until proof and not faith is put forward then I won't believe". same here but do you honestly believe that on the day of 911 dozens of valid so called coincidences happened?
you never got back to explain the residual thermite in the dust.
why was the inquiry done with little money compared to clinton and monicas scenario?
planes vaporising with jet fuel but mohammed attas passport found intact lol crazy.
but there you go it prooves what i have and will continue to say about debunkers and theorists are just the same. Debunkers duck and dive but are on the governments side theorists duck and dive but are against the government but truthists want the truth and whoever is to blame be brought to justice.
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thirdly get me evidence of plane crash debris at the pentagon (not the image of the little piece of blue and white twisted metal which isn't even scorch marked that will not do) Also any idea where the plane dissapeared too...dont you even mention the word vaporised by fuel those engines would have took ages under sustained high temperatures to melt.
Will any of do Darren? No need to mention the word vaporised, cos evidently there's a bit more than a piece of blue and white twisted metal there dontcha think, some of it even in quite large pieces? It's result 1, page 1 of Google when you search for '9/11 images of wreckage at pentagon'.
Warning: Above link contains images of charred human remains.
A few images of the C-130 / Azari apartments collision . We know for a fact that a large aircraft crashed into that building at around half the speed of the 757 that hit the Pentagon, and the wreckage left looks very similar.
N x x x ;)
A theorist or debunker make it up? All of it? The photos, the physical evidence, the witness testimony? The thing they differ on is theory.......and if you look at the word, I wonder what theory means
Now if the Truthers only state the truth then that makes them a scientist. Any good scientist will only publish what they can prove. If they cannot prove it then they make the statement "We do not know".
Now can see where I cannot get what you are trying to say?
If the truthers have this evidence then they can bring a private case. Why have they not done this. This is what makes me err on the side of caution with all of this. You have thrown some theeories out there but if the evidence is that strong why have they never brought charges?
Dave_Notts
Now if the Truthers only state the truth then that makes them a scientist. Any good scientist will only publish what they can prove. If they cannot prove it then they make the statement "We do not know".
Now can see where I cannot get what you are trying to say?
If the truthers have this evidence then they can bring a private case. Why have they not done this. This is what makes me err on the side of caution with all of this. You have thrown some theeories out there but if the evidence is that strong why have they never brought charges?
Dave_Notts
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A theorist or debunker make it up? All of it? The photos, the physical evidence, the witness testimony? The thing they differ on is theory.......and if you look at the word, I wonder what theory means
Now if the Truthers only state the truth then that makes them a scientist. Any good scientist will only publish what they can prove. If they cannot prove it then they make the statement "We do not know".
Now can see where I cannot get what you are trying to say?
If the truthers have this evidence then they can bring a private case. Why have they not done this. This is what makes me err on the side of caution with all of this. You have thrown some theeories out there but if the evidence is that strong why have they never brought charges?
Dave_Notts
my answer to that is
if the families of 911 fail to get an independent inquiry what chance has a private case have?
If the american gov refuse to give its own people justice....what chance does anybody have against these people. There would have been a blank cheque available for the inquiry if i was mr bush. But he obviously thought spending billions on a war was more important than finding the truth. Now doesn't that ring alarm bells. I got no theory but think this alone needs investigating but obama (which is the same person as bush in policy) is keeping the 100ft wall around the whole affair as did bush. Dont you think the non published pentagon plane (ha ha ha) crash photos have something to hide? I think so thats why they still have not been published.
Quote by Louise4Darren
About 911
only three steel structures in history have fallen due to fires and they fell on September 11th, now that is 1 hell of a coincidence.
Maybe the coincidence is the fact that 2 of them are the only steel structures of that type to have been hit ( as far as I'm aware) by airliners fully laden with aviation fuel and the third was in very close proximity?
aviation fuel burned off straight away as everyone seen in a great fireball.
To melt the steel in the towers would have needed a temp far exceeding the fireball and sustained for quite some time
I looked at video....interesting.....till I then clicked on the video below it....which explains it fully
maybe i should claim the $10,000 offered in the first video
Quote by Louise4Darren
10 out of 10 for persistence, but a big fat zero for providing any evidence.
Slow down and freeze the second plane strike and let us know whats strapped to the bottom of the plane?
I did as you requested. You do know what a wing belly fairing is and its function with regards to the main landing gear don't you?
My advice: when in a hole, stop digging.
i did look at photos of the said plane and guess what it ain't got one visible...go look yourself don't believe my word only then will it hit home.
im after the truth not an excuse or story
Thanks for admitting you don't know what a belly fairing is by saying it hasn't got one you can see. You asked me to look at the video, it has one, you asked me to look at the pictures and again its fairing is clearly visible but still you deny it. As you said, i dont believe your word. But then again what do i know about a B767? I was only type qualified on one.
Sex God
It was the bloody Italians all along.....
