Now I know what our boys and girls did at the Olympics was superb, but is this making a mockery of what some would say is a defunked system of gongs already?
Now I know he won the Tour de France and Olympic gold but........a Knighthood for it? Surely a Knighthood should be awarded for a lifetime of achievements? I would like to see people who dedicate their lives to fantastic causes get honoured, and not a cyclist who races a bike, or runs around a track.
It took Brucie 60 plus years to receive his Knighthood? I think giving out these awards at what seems like anyone with a sporting background, should be curtailed and given to people who really deserved to be given such a huge award.
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Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
It took Brucie 60 plus years to receive his Knighthood?
And he's been telling the same crap "jokes" all that time....
I think it's inspiring for others to see sportsmen and women get gongs in recognition of their years of hard work and training and competing at lower levels on their way to the pinnacle of their chosen sport....
Quote by Steve
It took Brucie 60 plus years to receive his Knighthood?
And he's been telling the same crap "jokes" all that time....
I think it's inspiring for others to see sportsmen and women get gongs in recognition of their years of hard work and training and competing at lower levels on their way to the pinnacle of their chosen sport....
So Wiggins got his Knighthood over Mo Farah because? Double gold medalist, the same as Lord Coe and still no Knighthood? Does that not make a mockery?
I think the whole honours system is messed up.
Fair play, winning the Olympics is an achievement, to be the best in the world deserves some recognition - but when you stack the ability to run quickly or to cycle a long way or to be able to throw a javelin - against volunteering to care for the mentally ill all your life, or working in a children's hospice, or any other countless acts of selflessness, then any sporting achievement doesn't seem that great.
I noticed too that the man who discovered the Higgs Boson - the so called "God's Particle" has been honoured some 48 years after he made his discovery. Honour him certainly... but 48 years after the event - seems more like an insult to me.
Honours should go to those that deserve them for something over and above. Riding a bike well is great - I can't do it - but I don't believe anyone who can do it better than me should be knighted, whereas people who do genuine good works should be recognised.
Fair play, winning the Olympics is an achievement, to be the best in the world deserves some recognition - but when you stack the ability to run quickly or to cycle a long way or to be able to throw a javelin - against volunteering to care for the mentally ill all your life, or working in a children's hospice, or any other countless acts of selflessness, then any sporting achievement doesn't seem that great.
I noticed too that the man who discovered the Higgs Boson - the so called "God's Particle" has been honoured some 48 years after he made his discovery. Honour him certainly... but 48 years after the event - seems more like an insult to me.
Honours should go to those that deserve them for something over and above. Riding a bike well is great - I can't do it - but I don't believe anyone who can do it better than me should be knighted, whereas people who do genuine good works should be recognised.
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
So Wiggins got his Knighthood over Mo Farah because?
You'll have to ask Queenie :-)
By the way.....
What fantastic cause was Brucie part of
Sex God
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I noticed too that the man who discovered the Higgs Boson - the so called "God's Particle" has been honoured some 48 years after he made his discovery. Honour him certainly... but 48 years after the event - seems more like an insult to me.
I maybe wrong, but I thought he theorised it existed, but now they have proven it. therefore he has been recognised for his scientific theory and the way it has helped develop science, rather than the discovery itself. If the darn thing never existed I'm sure he wouldn't have got recognised and would have been put down in history as a fruitloop
Sex God
One thing that people seem to misunderstand about State honours is that the person that receives the honour doesn't nominate themselves.
They have to be nominated and their case reviewed against the laid down criteria. But in essence the person can be nominated for achievements like:
making a difference to their community or field of work
enhancing Britain’s reputation
long-term voluntary service
innovation and entrepreneurship
changing things, with an emphasis on achievement
improving life for people less able to help themselves
displaying moral courage and vision in making and delivering tough choices
I would edge my bets that the sports people who have received an award have fallen into the category of enhancing Britain's reputation. Let's be honest, in sporting terms this year our Country has done extremely well!
They have to be nominated and their case reviewed against the laid down criteria. But in essence the person can be nominated for achievements like:
making a difference to their community or field of work
enhancing Britain’s reputation
long-term voluntary service
innovation and entrepreneurship
changing things, with an emphasis on achievement
improving life for people less able to help themselves
displaying moral courage and vision in making and delivering tough choices
I would edge my bets that the sports people who have received an award have fallen into the category of enhancing Britain's reputation. Let's be honest, in sporting terms this year our Country has done extremely well!
Well seems the Sir's of this world have a huge say in the new Sir's yet to be given out.
I think it much better if a select committee of the general public were allowed to be properly involved in who gets what and why.
WTF ??? Cherie Blair????? What the woman who loves a freebie???? I wonder if her Hubby Tony Bliar nominated her? I bet he knew the person who did though.
A classic example of not what you know, but who you fecking know. :twisted:
Quote by starlightcouple
I think it much better if a select committee of the general public were allowed to be properly involved in who gets what and why.
oh please nooooooooooooooooooo
pop factor
skateyfactor :banghead: danceyfactor :banghead: i'macelebrityfactor :banghead: even cakeyfactor did my crust. now gongfactor the lines are closed and simon cowell will still get rich.
Personally speaking, I believe that the honours are just that. An honour to receive one. It's not a given right. How many 'pop stars' change their careers into general do-gooders and then receive an honour. I saw Mr Barlow's coming six months before it was announced....
There should be a maximum amount offered each year, and if in certain years there are more prospective candidates than gongs, then yes somebody should go without. The real world doesn't wrap everybody up in cotton wool.
In my current line of work / level of sporting prowess, I would never expect to gain any honour over and above my next pay check. But if those that do receive one aspire to make the country better, then long may they continue.
Sex God
In my most humble opinion its a great shame that more everyday people are not recognised for what they do, but how many of you have ever nominated someone? How many of you have taken the 20 minutes it takes to nominate someone?
I'm guessing the answer will be zero?
Well for my two pence worth I have been honoured by the state twice.
I never asked for it, expected it or wanted it. But the results are sat not six foot from me now and I'm not ashamed.
I'm guessing the answer will be zero?
Well for my two pence worth I have been honoured by the state twice.
I never asked for it, expected it or wanted it. But the results are sat not six foot from me now and I'm not ashamed.
Sex God
The medal isn't recognition from their country, the honour is.
Quote by Trevaunance
In my most humble opinion its a great shame that more everyday people are not recognised for what they do, but how many of you have ever nominated someone? How many of you have taken the 20 minutes it takes to nominate someone?
I'm guessing the answer will be zero?
Well for my two pence worth I have been honoured by the state twice.
I never asked for it, expected it or wanted it. But the results are sat not six foot from me now and I'm not ashamed.
Arise Sir Trev.
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I don't think Olympians should have been given any 'Honours' surely the medal (if won) is achievement enough.
That is my exact take on it as well Toots.
A Olympic gold? What other honour is bigger for an athlete?
I still find the idea of Wiggins being honoured with a Knighthood utterly repulsive, and to me it makes the whole thing an utter joke. Along with Cherie Bliar these two are the most least deserving in recent years.
But I suppose if Prescott can take one, then anyone can.
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
Arise Sir Trev
I hold no titles, I'm still a nobody. He's already got and MBE, CBE, OBE and now he says he deserves a Knighthood? What a self-centred individual he is and with his comment below....well, to me it demonstrates
to me perfectly why Medals should not be given to sports people.
There still seems to be a discrepancy between a Paralympic medal and an Olympic medal. It's tougher to get on in normal life if you've got a disability, and then to do sport on top of that is quite an achievement, I think, but maybe the powers that be don't."
Ungrateful greedy sod he is, he seems to see the Knighthood as a medal in itself to sit nicely against the other letters to his name. Yuk!
Sex God
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Ungrateful greedy sod he is, he seems to see the Knighthood as a medal in itself to sit nicely against the other letters to his name. Yuk!
The only letters to his name are CBE.
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Ungrateful greedy sod he is, he seems to see the Knighthood as a medal in itself to sit nicely against the other letters to his name. Yuk!
The only letters to his name are CBE.
You mean he's been upgraded from one, to the next and finally to his CBE, but essentially he's still a selfish bugger.
Sex God
No, I mean the letters after his name are CBE. You can make up the rest to suit you.
Some people are never grateful for their lot.
Some disabled people are far worse off than this person, and just get on with life without all the fucking whinging and moaning and never get close to a CBE. In fact many of them struggle to get the proper levels of care or help they need.
Sounds like a bit of a whining git to be honest.
Some disabled people are far worse off than this person, and just get on with life without all the fucking whinging and moaning and never get close to a CBE. In fact many of them struggle to get the proper levels of care or help they need.
Sounds like a bit of a whining git to be honest.
Sex God
Quote by Trevaunance
In my most humble opinion its a great shame that more everyday people are not recognised for what they do
The only small point I would make is that the Knighthoods and CBEs that get reported in the national media are just the tip of the iceberg. The full list (a couple of the broadsheet papers publish it in full) is actually made up largely of people who have been lollipop man or school dinner lady for umpteen years or research scientists, academics etc. who get the honour in recognition of a life's work in their chosen field but would not be known to the public. Of course, there are many people who should get similar honours, but never do. However, as Trevaunance says, they need to be nomninated.
No system is perfect but, on balance, I think the honours system should stay - mainly for the unsung local heroes who get the MBEs and OBEs that are not reported in national media (your local press may publish them - check it out :thumbup
.Will
