The situation in the Ukraine could be one for the future of many Nations including the United Kingdom.
The Ukraine is a Nation where many of the citizens have an allegiance to Russia, many see themselves as Russians living in the Ukraine and some see themselves as Russians living in a part of Russia called the Ukraine.
Whilst I have always supported and continue to support immigration and believe it is necessary for the prosperity of the United Kingdom we have a similar situation but even more diversified.
We have citizens in the UK who see themselves primarily of another Nationality living in the UK, Indians, Pakistanis, Romanians, Afghans, Iraqis and so on. Whilst many of them were born in the UK they still have a strong allegiance to the Nation of their hereditary.
The Ukraine is facing a civil war, in the United Kingdom we have another factor, religion here has a greater impact on the loyalty of the citizens here.
I believe we could benefit from ALL citizens of the UK swearing an allegiance to the UK as part of our acceptance to residing here as citizens and the entitlement to a United Kingdom/EU Passport. Why should we issue a Passport to someone who is unwilling to swear their allegiance to the Nation that they expect to protect them at home and when travelling abroad, the Nation who will house them and support them and provide medical facilities should they need them.
As a former soldier I have sworn my allegiance to Crown and Country, I would be happy to do so again as a civilian.
Thoughts .................
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The situation in the Ukraine could be one for the future of many Nations including the United Kingdom.
The Ukraine is a Nation where many of the citizens have an allegiance to Russia, many see themselves as Russians living in the Ukraine and some see themselves as Russians living in a part of Russia called the Ukraine.
Whilst I have always supported and continue to support immigration and believe it is necessary for the prosperity of the United Kingdom we have a similar situation but even more diversified.
We have citizens in the UK who see themselves primarily of another Nationality living in the UK, Indians, Pakistanis, Romanians, Afghans, Iraqis and so on. Whilst many of them were born in the UK they still have a strong allegiance to the Nation of their hereditary.
The Ukraine is facing a civil war, in the United Kingdom we have another factor, religion here has a greater impact on the loyalty of the citizens here.
I believe we could benefit from ALL citizens of the UK swearing an allegiance to the UK as part of our acceptance to residing here as citizens and the entitlement to a United Kingdom/EU Passport. Why should we issue a Passport to someone who is unwilling to swear their allegiance to the Nation that they expect to protect them at home and when travelling abroad, the Nation who will house them and support them and provide medical facilities should they need them.
As a former soldier I have sworn my allegiance to Crown and Country, I would be happy to do so again as a civilian.
Thoughts .................
It could well result in many swearing allegiances without any true conviction. Not sure what would be gained from that!
Sex God
Don't think we need to get in-commers to swear allegiance to the UK.
But we should make it clear that anyone not born in the UK who is convicted of a criminal act for which the penalty could be a jail sentence WILL be deported along with all of their dependants. And we should do this every time !! Maybe we need a referendum to get the people to agree with this and then stick two fingers up at the EU if they try to overrule it.
John
But we should make it clear that anyone not born in the UK who is convicted of a criminal act for which the penalty could be a jail sentence WILL be deported along with all of their dependants. And we should do this every time !! Maybe we need a referendum to get the people to agree with this and then stick two fingers up at the EU if they try to overrule it.
John
Swearing allegiance is a commitment, break your allegiance and your liable to imprisonment for treason.
It would be up to the ex pats, If they are going to spend the rest of their lives living in another country then they should swear their allegiance to that Nation, if they are merely living there for an unspecified time the should remain allied to the United Kingdom, but should not expect the same level of assistance from the Nation that they are residing in that would be given to their own Nationals.
When war broke out in Cyprus the British Army was sent to assist British Nationals living there, this is a common occurrence but had they sworn an allegiance to Cyprus that would not be needed, there are advantages to being British which should only be available to British and British Commonwealth Nationals who have sworn their allegiance to the United Kingdom, The people of the Falkland Islands are another example of those we should support over and above others.
I do agree with a policy of deportation for those breaking UK laws, and for the families of those convicted, many of todays terrorists care nothing for their own lives, they want to sacrifice themselves for their cause, the want to die during an act of terrorism, there is not deterrent for them but if they knew their families would be deported they might think twice. If their families could be convicted and imprisoned for harbouring a traitor they might think different, harsh ? perhaps, unfair, perhaps but you wont defeat terrorism by using the rules of cricket.
It would be up to the ex pats, If they are going to spend the rest of their lives living in another country then they should swear their allegiance to that Nation, if they are merely living there for an unspecified time the should remain allied to the United Kingdom, but should not expect the same level of assistance from the Nation that they are residing in that would be given to their own Nationals.
When war broke out in Cyprus the British Army was sent to assist British Nationals living there, this is a common occurrence but had they sworn an allegiance to Cyprus that would not be needed, there are advantages to being British which should only be available to British and British Commonwealth Nationals who have sworn their allegiance to the United Kingdom, The people of the Falkland Islands are another example of those we should support over and above others.
I do agree with a policy of deportation for those breaking UK laws, and for the families of those convicted, many of todays terrorists care nothing for their own lives, they want to sacrifice themselves for their cause, the want to die during an act of terrorism, there is not deterrent for them but if they knew their families would be deported they might think twice. If their families could be convicted and imprisoned for harbouring a traitor they might think different, harsh ? perhaps, unfair, perhaps but you wont defeat terrorism by using the rules of cricket.
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Swearing allegiance is a commitment, break your allegiance and your liable to imprisonment for treason.
In medieval times maybe but methinks we've moved on from them dark and distant days.
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I do agree with a policy of deportation for those breaking UK laws, and for the families of those convicted, many of todays terrorists care nothing for their own lives, they want to sacrifice themselves for their cause, the want to die during an act of terrorism, there is not deterrent for them but if they knew their families would be deported they might think twice.
Why would a terrorist want to leave their family to reside in the country she/he appears to have a problem with and wants to commit an act of terrorism against? Surely they'd want their family as far away from the ' ' as is possible?
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Swearing allegiance is a commitment, break your allegiance and your liable to imprisonment for treason.
In medieval times maybe but methinks we've moved on from them dark and distant days.
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I do agree with a policy of deportation for those breaking UK laws, and for the families of those convicted, many of todays terrorists care nothing for their own lives, they want to sacrifice themselves for their cause, the want to die during an act of terrorism, there is not deterrent for them but if they knew their families would be deported they might think twice.
Why would a terrorist want to leave their family to reside in the country she/he appears to have a problem with and wants to commit an act of terrorism against? Surely they'd want their family as far away from the ' ' as is possible?
I have no idea but it appears they do, many terrorists live in the Country they attack and so do their families, they seem to enjoy the safety and protection that Nation offers whilst at the same time despising it.
All those involved in the London Bus Bombings were UK residents with family here in the UK
Mohammad Sidique Khan: Aged 30, from Beeston, Leeds, recently moved to Dewsbury, married with baby. ID found at Edgware Road blast site.
Hasib Mir Hussain: Aged 18, lived Holbeck, Leeds. Reported missing on day of bombings. Said to have turned very religious two years ago. ID found in No 30 bus.
Shehzad Tanweer (above): Aged 22, lived Beeston, Leeds. Studied religion in Pakistan. Forensic evidence linking him to Aldgate blast.
Germaine Lindsay: Jamaican-born man who lived in Buckinghamshire.
The killers and families of the killers of Lee Rigby resided in the UK the mother of one of them asked for forgiveness for what her son had done and said she after he was sentenced to life imprisonment that she had lost him, I wonder if she realises the Lee's family have also lost a son. She told how he had been raised as t a Christian but had been convinced by muslims at the mosque he attended and where he converted to Islam that Christianity was wrong, she even went to the Mosque to see what was happening there she said and that her son was torn between the faiths and had to be on suicide watch.
The terrorists who made the attack on Glasgow Airport also resided in the UK as did their families interestingly one of whom came from the same town as the killer of Lee Rigby
The same pattern emerges with the Boston bombers.
Sex God
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Swearing allegiance is a commitment, break your allegiance and your liable to imprisonment for treason.
In medieval times maybe but methinks we've moved on from them dark and distant days.
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I do agree with a policy of deportation for those breaking UK laws, and for the families of those convicted, many of todays terrorists care nothing for their own lives, they want to sacrifice themselves for their cause, the want to die during an act of terrorism, there is not deterrent for them but if they knew their families would be deported they might think twice.
Why would a terrorist want to leave their family to reside in the country she/he appears to have a problem with and wants to commit an act of terrorism against? Surely they'd want their family as far away from the ' ' as is possible?
I have no idea but it appears they do, many terrorists live in the Country they attack and so do their families, they seem to enjoy the safety and protection that Nation offers whilst at the same time despising it.
All those involved in the London Bus Bombings were UK residents with family here in the UK
Mohammad Sidique Khan: Aged 30, from Beeston, Leeds, recently moved to Dewsbury, married with baby. ID found at Edgware Road blast site.
Hasib Mir Hussain: Aged 18, lived Holbeck, Leeds. Reported missing on day of bombings. Said to have turned very religious two years ago. ID found in No 30 bus.
Shehzad Tanweer (above): Aged 22, lived Beeston, Leeds. Studied religion in Pakistan. Forensic evidence linking him to Aldgate blast.
Germaine Lindsay: Jamaican-born man who lived in Buckinghamshire.
The killers and families of the killers of Lee Rigby resided in the UK the mother of one of them asked for forgiveness for what her son had done and said she after he was sentenced to life imprisonment that she had lost him, I wonder if she realises the Lee's family have also lost a son. She told how he had been raised as t a Christian but had been convinced by muslims at the mosque he attended and where he converted to Islam that Christianity was wrong, she even went to the Mosque to see what was happening there she said and that her son was torn between the faiths and had to be on suicide watch.
The terrorists who made the attack on Glasgow Airport also resided in the UK as did their families interestingly one of whom came from the same town as the killer of Lee Rigby
The same pattern emerges with the Boston bombers.
And making them swear alliegance to the throne at some stage in their life would have stopped them?.. The only way of stopping these low life's is to improve funding for the Police and counter terrorist services and to engage more robustly with the vast majority of more moderate Muslims. Constant Muslim bleating because of a tiny minority of lunatic criminals does nothing to build bridges with more moderate people of that faith.
I think that on reflection Britain might not be so quick to forget that English is the official language and it should be down to the non English speaker to incur the cost and inconvenience of translating. French is the official language of France and I don't generally regard the French as being racist or aggressively intolerant to foreigners. Integration works best when the migrants / refugees / asylum seekers commit to the language of their new country.
Muslim beating ? I was warned by the site for my thread supporting Muslims in this Country especially the 500 plus currently serving in the British Armed Forces.
I am perhaps guilty of verbally beating terrorists, if you give me the examples of the recent atrocities carried out by Catholic or Jewish or Sikh fanatics in the UK I will be happy to debate that.
I have agreed with Sikhs being allowed to wear their religious Turbans and disagreed with them being permitted to carry their religious knives since one is within the laws of the UK and one is not.
Though I obviously confirm that deporting the families found to be guilty of terrorist attacks in the UK I do personally believe it would be a deterrent for some would be attackers.
Our previous experience with the IRA showed a different situation, when cornered and facing imminent arrest an IRA terrorist would surrender, serve his time in the knowledge that the IRA would take care of his family and not wish to be killed.
The fundamentalists is the opposite, they want to die in the process of carrying out an act of terrorism, therefore cornering them is just as dangerous as not stopping them carrying out their attack, they will happily explode a device killing themselves and those within range rather than go to prison, there is little deterrent that can be used against them, the fear of being caught or killed is not existent, they will die, Allah will be happy and the westerners will die, in their way of thinking a good result. Their family may be sad or may be happy that they have achieved their goal and moved to a higher plain.
So yes, perhaps knowing that their family will be deported and affected may be a deterrent.
I am perhaps guilty of verbally beating terrorists, if you give me the examples of the recent atrocities carried out by Catholic or Jewish or Sikh fanatics in the UK I will be happy to debate that.
I have agreed with Sikhs being allowed to wear their religious Turbans and disagreed with them being permitted to carry their religious knives since one is within the laws of the UK and one is not.
Though I obviously confirm that deporting the families found to be guilty of terrorist attacks in the UK I do personally believe it would be a deterrent for some would be attackers.
Our previous experience with the IRA showed a different situation, when cornered and facing imminent arrest an IRA terrorist would surrender, serve his time in the knowledge that the IRA would take care of his family and not wish to be killed.
The fundamentalists is the opposite, they want to die in the process of carrying out an act of terrorism, therefore cornering them is just as dangerous as not stopping them carrying out their attack, they will happily explode a device killing themselves and those within range rather than go to prison, there is little deterrent that can be used against them, the fear of being caught or killed is not existent, they will die, Allah will be happy and the westerners will die, in their way of thinking a good result. Their family may be sad or may be happy that they have achieved their goal and moved to a higher plain.
So yes, perhaps knowing that their family will be deported and affected may be a deterrent.
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All those involved in the London Bus Bombings were UK residents with family here in the UK
3 of those 4 were born in the UK, some had children of their own, where would you suggest we send them?
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The killers and families of the killers of Lee Rigby resided in the UK
One of the two was born in the UK, nowhere to send him.
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The terrorists who made the attack on Glasgow Airport also resided in the UK
One born in the UK, homegrown etc.
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The same pattern emerges with the Boston bombers.
Whats the pattern? neither of the Boston Bombers were born in the US?
"and then stick two fingers up at the EU if they try to overrule it. "
It's a myth that the EU demands people stay if they break the laws of the host Country.
It's just not true.
If you disrespect the laws of your host country, you can be deported - it is written!
France have done this twice now in recent times with the Roma. Once under the rule of President Sarkozy and more recently under Mr Flanby.
It's a myth that the EU demands people stay if they break the laws of the host Country.
It's just not true.
If you disrespect the laws of your host country, you can be deported - it is written!
France have done this twice now in recent times with the Roma. Once under the rule of President Sarkozy and more recently under Mr Flanby.
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"and then stick two fingers up at the EU if they try to overrule it. "
It's a myth that the EU demands people stay if they break the laws of the host Country.
It's just not true.
If you disrespect the laws of your host country, you can be deported - it is written!
France have done this twice now in recent times with the Roma. Once under the rule of President Sarkozy and more recently under Mr Flanby.
I think you'll find that many times in the past, those who should have been deported, like the Italian lad who stabbed the Headteacher to death, get a judgement from the Court of Human rights that they must stay in this Country. That's who would get the two fingered salute !!
John
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All those involved in the London Bus Bombings were UK residents with family here in the UK
3 of those 4 were born in the UK, some had children of their own, where would you suggest we send them?
To a UK internment camp as we did with those of German, Italian and Japanese heritage during WWII
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The killers and families of the killers of Lee Rigby resided in the UK
One of the two was born in the UK, nowhere to send him.
Internment camp
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The terrorists who made the attack on Glasgow Airport also resided in the UK
One born in the UK, homegrown etc. Internment Camp
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The same pattern emerges with the Boston bombers.
Whats the pattern? neither of the Boston Bombers were born in the US?
The pattern is that they resided there, keep up mate, and can be either interned (like they did at Guantanamo Bay) or deported
It is simple, we pass a law that says it is illegal to be related to a terrorist, we deal with terrorist firmly and harshly the only way you can deal with terrorists, we protect the innocent in the United Kingdom and to protect the rights and lives of the innocent you forget the human rights bullshit of the terrorist, their families, their tutors. You enforce the laws of inciting civil unrest and arrest those clerics who tell people to kill British residents, you jail them and intern their families.
You do it now because if you don't one day you either lose or have to use even worse tactics to fight insurgents.
You threaten my family and you lose all access to human rights in my book.
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"and then stick two fingers up at the EU if they try to overrule it. "
It's a myth that the EU demands people stay if they break the laws of the host Country.
It's just not true.
If you disrespect the laws of your host country, you can be deported - it is written!
France have done this twice now in recent times with the Roma. Once under the rule of President Sarkozy and more recently under Mr Flanby.
I think you'll find that many times in the past, those who should have been deported, like the Italian lad who stabbed the Headteacher to death, get a judgement from the Court of Human rights that they must stay in this Country. That's who would get the two fingered salute !!
John
Did we not have a big discussion about a certain cleric that we tried to deport for 10 years but many said we couldn't because of laws imposed on us by the European lawmakers ?
When a person has been convicted of a crime of terrorism or died committing an act of terrorism their family is charged with being related to that person and sentenced to interment, of course they can apply to leave the United Kingdom to live somewhere that they feel they would be happier and of course if they can find somewhere willing to accept them, of course being being UK citizens or residing here under EU rules no EU country can refuse them entry.
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The pattern is that they resided there, keep up mate, and can be either interned (like they did at Guantanamo Bay) or deported
It is simple, we pass a law that says it is illegal to be related to a terrorist, we deal with terrorist firmly and harshly the only way you can deal with terrorists, we protect the innocent in the United Kingdom and to protect the rights and lives of the innocent you forget the human rights bullshit of the terrorist, their families, their tutors. You enforce the laws of inciting civil unrest and arrest those clerics who tell people to kill British residents, you jail them and intern their families.
You do it now because if you don't one day you either lose or have to use even worse tactics to fight insurgents.
You threaten my family and you lose all access to human rights in my book.
For someone who appears to want justice you sure are giving off mixed signals. Why for example would you want to intern the two UK born children of the likes of the Jamaican born Germaine Lindsay, one of those children was not even born at the point of Lindsay blowing himself up? What has that child done to deserve internment? What would it achieve other than to make some feel better about it all?
I don't want to, but I am willing to, as I said, perhaps the thought of what might happen to families will act as a deterrent to those that would attack us, if not then much as I sympathise with the families my loyalties are towards you and all the other innocents residing here, to law abiding Muslims and any other law abiding citizen or temporary resident of the UK and I will push the bounds to protect them. reluctantly but absolutely. I also feel I would be protecting those families and children from other terrorist because targets are for the most part indiscriminate.
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When a person has been convicted of a crime of terrorism or died committing an act of terrorism their family is charged with being related to that person and sentenced to interment, of course they can apply to leave the United Kingdom to live somewhere that they feel they would be happier and of course if they can find somewhere willing to accept them, of course being being UK citizens or residing here under EU rules no EU country can refuse them entry.
Do you mean immediate family or wider family and what if the family are completely innocent
and had no knowledge of the terrorist acts supposedly carried out by their family member?
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When a person has been convicted of a crime of terrorism or died committing an act of terrorism their family is charged with being related to that person and sentenced to interment, of course they can apply to leave the United Kingdom to live somewhere that they feel they would be happier and of course if they can find somewhere willing to accept them, of course being being UK citizens or residing here under EU rules no EU country can refuse them entry.
Do you mean immediate family or wider family and what if the family are completely innocent
and had no knowledge of the terrorist acts supposedly carried out by their family member?
I believe that in most cases the family are totally innocent, in some cases they are innocent and have no knowledge of what their family member is planning, some do not know but suspect it or do little to prevent what might happen, in some cases they condone their actions afterwards albeit in a somewhat veiled manner, some condemn what they have done, but to protect the innocents some innocents are going to have to suffer, that is the nature of terrorism.
All family members.
I know how abhorrent such action is to some, I despise internment myself but I feel that the acts of terrorism are worse, we interned people who might be a threat during WWII and in the H Blocks of NI in the 70s. It is impossible to say if this had any effect but no action certainly has an effect.
And before anyone asks "what other crimes should this be extended to, jail a drug dealers family etc, of course not, my proposal is extreme to deal with an extreme situation, hundreds of terrorist attacks have been foiled, some have taken place, we live with the effects of terrorism every day of our lives and I believe that the situation will only get worse.
All family members.
I know how abhorrent such action is to some, I despise internment myself but I feel that the acts of terrorism are worse, we interned people who might be a threat during WWII and in the H Blocks of NI in the 70s. It is impossible to say if this had any effect but no action certainly has an effect.
And before anyone asks "what other crimes should this be extended to, jail a drug dealers family etc, of course not, my proposal is extreme to deal with an extreme situation, hundreds of terrorist attacks have been foiled, some have taken place, we live with the effects of terrorism every day of our lives and I believe that the situation will only get worse.
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I believe that in most cases the family are totally innocent, in some cases they are innocent and have no knowledge of what their family member is planning, some do not know but suspect it or do little to prevent what might happen, in some cases they condone their actions afterwards albeit in a somewhat veiled manner, some condemn what they have done, but to protect the innocents some innocents are going to have to suffer, that is the nature of terrorism.
All family members.
I know how abhorrent such action is to some, I despise internment myself but I feel that the acts of terrorism are worse, we interned people who might be a threat during WWII and in the H Blocks of NI in the 70s. It is impossible to say if this had any effect but no action certainly has an effect.
And before anyone asks "what other crimes should this be extended to, jail a drug dealers family etc, of course not, my proposal is extreme to deal with an extreme situation, hundreds of terrorist attacks have been foiled, some have taken place, we live with the effects of terrorism every day of our lives and I believe that the situation will only get worse.
Do you really believe the rubbish you write?
Couple of points here
firstly Mids...you have pointed out earlier that a number of the terrorists are actually home grown.....so where we going to deport them to...if they Bitish to start with ???
Secondly....how far are you going to take the family line back !! wife..kids..brothers..sisters..aunties..uncles...third cousin removed where do you draw the line !!
Lastly it would have little or no effect on these terrorists. Most of them have been brain washed to such an extent that they consider what they are doing is for the greater good and GOD or ALLAH. So they have no forethought for themselves or family.
firstly Mids...you have pointed out earlier that a number of the terrorists are actually home grown.....so where we going to deport them to...if they Bitish to start with ???
Secondly....how far are you going to take the family line back !! wife..kids..brothers..sisters..aunties..uncles...third cousin removed where do you draw the line !!
Lastly it would have little or no effect on these terrorists. Most of them have been brain washed to such an extent that they consider what they are doing is for the greater good and GOD or ALLAH. So they have no forethought for themselves or family.
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"and then stick two fingers up at the EU if they try to overrule it. "
It's a myth that the EU demands people stay if they break the laws of the host Country.
It's just not true.
If you disrespect the laws of your host country, you can be deported - it is written!
France have done this twice now in recent times with the Roma. Once under the rule of President Sarkozy and more recently under Mr Flanby.
I think you'll find that many times in the past, those who should have been deported, like the Italian lad who stabbed the Headteacher to death, get a judgement from the Court of Human rights that they must stay in this Country. That's who would get the two fingered salute !!
John
He who hesitates is lost...
Get shot of them before the ECHR has a chance to meddle.. besides, all the EC can do is impose a fine. Just add it to the long list of the other unpaid ones
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Couple of points here
firstly Mids...you have pointed out earlier that a number of the terrorists are actually home grown.....so where we going to deport them to...if they Bitish to start with ???
As I have said a few times in this thread, home grown terrorists or families of terrorists should be placed in internment.
Secondly....how far are you going to take the family line back !! wife..kids..brothers..sisters..aunties..uncles...third cousin removed where do you draw the line !!
As far as I can but I have already said that.
Lastly it would have little or no effect on these terrorists. Most of them have been brain washed to such an extent that they consider what they are doing is for the greater good and GOD or ALLAH. So they have no forethought for themselves or family.
I have said that I cannot guarantee it would have an effect on all would be terrorists or any, it might have an effect on all of them or some of them, I do not know but am willing to try it, what proof do you have that it will not work that you can say it with such conviction ?
When internment was used during WWII on Japanese, German and Italian residents of the UK it might have prevented some of them carrying out acts of sabotage, we will never know because they were not in a position to do anything having been interned. The same thing with those interned in NI during the 70s
What I have said is that I agree that these terrorists have no regard for their own lives or their victims, they actually want to die attacking westerners, but they might have some thoughts for their families, they do seem to take action to prevent their families from being charged with conspiracy in what they do.
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Couple of points here
firstly Mids...you have pointed out earlier that a number of the terrorists are actually home grown.....so where we going to deport them to...if they Bitish to start with ???
As I have said a few times in this thread, home grown terrorists or families of terrorists should be placed in internment.
Secondly....how far are you going to take the family line back !! wife..kids..brothers..sisters..aunties..uncles...third cousin removed where do you draw the line !!
As far as I can but I have already said that.
Lastly it would have little or no effect on these terrorists. Most of them have been brain washed to such an extent that they consider what they are doing is for the greater good and GOD or ALLAH. So they have no forethought for themselves or family.
I have said that I cannot guarantee it would have an effect on all would be terrorists or any, it might have an effect on all of them or some of them, I do not know but am willing to try it, what proof do you have that it will not work that you can say it with such conviction ?
When internment was used during WWII on Japanese, German and Italian residents of the UK it might have prevented some of them carrying out acts of sabotage, we will never know because they were not in a position to do anything having been interned. The same thing with those interned in NI during the 70s
What I have said is that I agree that these terrorists have no regard for their own lives or their victims, they actually want to die attacking westerners, but they might have some thoughts for their families, they do seem to take action to prevent their families from being charged with conspiracy in what they do.
so you saying you would deport or use internment for any relation....no mater how far back the line goes ???? Maybe it was used during world war II ....they also used to duck women under water to see if they were witches in middle ages as well...maybe we should start to do that again !! We are in 21st century now and I would hope we use more civilised forms of justice.
By deporting, or locking up innocent people, you are breeding and feeding the next generation of terrorists.
I am pleased I live in a civilised country where the rule of law and justice is used.
I fully agree with you, it is a terrible thing to do, but what do you think we should do ?
How do we fight terrorism ?
What do we do about the facilities that exist to transform innocent men and women into terrorists willing to maim and kill other innocents and to die doing it, a number of the recent terrorists have as we all know been converted to Islam, nothing wrong with that but at the same time they have been converted to terrorists.
I don't think we need to return to killing witches since I am not aware of any witches killing thousands of innocent people at the moment.
How do we fight terrorism ?
What do we do about the facilities that exist to transform innocent men and women into terrorists willing to maim and kill other innocents and to die doing it, a number of the recent terrorists have as we all know been converted to Islam, nothing wrong with that but at the same time they have been converted to terrorists.
I don't think we need to return to killing witches since I am not aware of any witches killing thousands of innocent people at the moment.
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I fully agree with you, it is a terrible thing to do, but what do you think we should do ?
How do we fight terrorism ?
What do we do about the facilities that exist to transform innocent men and women into terrorists willing to maim and kill other innocents and to die doing it, a number of the recent terrorists have as we all know been converted to Islam, nothing wrong with that but at the same time they have been converted to terrorists.
I don't think we need to return to killing witches since I am not aware of any witches killing thousands of innocent people at the moment.
Your idea is just so stupid, there really is no point in debating this. As I asked before, do you really believe the rubbish you write or are you just trying to provoke a reaction?
