Abu Qatada

13 Mar 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
Those horrors we (the British) committed in the name of this "great" country as we tried to take over the world. So yes those horrors shaped us into the people we are today. We have a lot to learn that getting around a table to sort out a problem is a lot more effective than confrontation.
Using the 5 "Why" technique, would be a good starter. Asking why of any problem, and by iteration, you will get to the underlying problem, solving the underlying problem costs a darn sight less than the surface one. Like what we have attempted to do in Afghanistan.
For example;
Q1: Why are we fighting in Afghanistan?
A: We are there to remove the threat of terrorism that is potentially threatening western lives.
Q2: Why is there the threat of terrorism to western lives?
and so on until you get the real answer, sometimes the real answer isn't what the government want you to hear so we are then fed lies and spin regarding Terrorist Bomb Plots or in the case of Iraq WMD's etc

Ah right sorry Rogue misunderstood your meaning.
How do you or would you have got around a table with the likes of Hitler, Stalin,Idi Amin, Mugabi, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot etc etc etc.
We are seeing even now the tyrants in Iran with their veiled threats against Israel. We have in recent days seen North Korea issue threats against the USA. You really think these people will sit around a table? What about Syria now Rogue? Will president, Bashar al-Assad sit around a table and talk peace and negotiate?
What a ridiculous analogy you made in your opening statement. Sometimes the bullet and the bomb are the ONLY way.
Will sitting around a table with North Korea help then Rogue? The weapons of mass destruction that Blair told us and Parliament were there, ready and armed within 20 minutes have been proved in an inquiry, to have been told to Blair by good military sources. Blair was cleared in that inquiry of any wrong doing. We know why we went into Iraq Rogue, and I thought I knew why we went into Afghanistan. But sometimes the time for talk stops, and the time for action starts.
North Korea and Iran are two of the most dangerous out there today. If you think sitting around a table with these crackpots will help, send that to number 10 Downing Street London SW1. Oh and address it to a one David Cameron.

13 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
We are seeing even now the tyrants in Iran with their veiled threats against Israel.

Why do you think they are threatening, if indeed they are, as I said in a previous post the words were taken out of all context.

Quote by starlightcouple
We have in recent days seen North Korea issue threats against the USA.

Again, why are they threatening? what is behind it all?

Quote by starlightcouple
You really think these people will sit around a table? What about Syria now Rogue? Will president, Bashar al-Assad sit around a table and talk peace and negotiate?

Of course. Just how you go about it.

Quote by starlightcouple
What a ridiculous analogy you made in your opening statement. Sometimes the bullet and the bomb are the ONLY way.

Pathetic macho posturing fills pages of the daily mail with images of body bags, we need to learn why the bullet and bomb are not the only way.

Quote by starlightcouple
Will sitting around a table with North Korea help then Rogue?

Of course it will, ignorance of the other parties grievance is no excuse for a confrontation.

13 Mar 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
We are seeing even now the tyrants in Iran with their veiled threats against Israel.

Why do you think they are threatening, if indeed they are, as I said in a previous post the words were taken out of all context.

Quote by starlightcouple
We have in recent days seen North Korea issue threats against the USA.

Again, why are they threatening? what is behind it all?

Quote by starlightcouple
You really think these people will sit around a table? What about Syria now Rogue? Will president, Bashar al-Assad sit around a table and talk peace and negotiate?

Of course. Just how you go about it.

Quote by starlightcouple
What a ridiculous analogy you made in your opening statement. Sometimes the bullet and the bomb are the ONLY way.

Pathetic macho posturing fills pages of the daily mail with images of body bags, we need to learn why the bullet and bomb are not the only way.

Quote by starlightcouple
Will sitting around a table with North Korea help then Rogue?

Of course it will, ignorance of the other parties grievance is no excuse for a confrontation.
Such a naive way of looking at the world and it's problems. I think I would rather politicians make the decisions now for sure.

13 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
Such a naive way of looking at the world and it's problems. I think I would rather politicians make the decisions now for sure.

My "naive way" is that of Henry Kissinger, look him up and you may learn something.

13 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
We are seeing even now the tyrants in Iran with their veiled threats against Israel.

Why do you think they are threatening, if indeed they are, as I said in a previous post the words were taken out of all context.

Quote by starlightcouple
We have in recent days seen North Korea issue threats against the USA.

Again, why are they threatening? what is behind it all?

Quote by starlightcouple
You really think these people will sit around a table? What about Syria now Rogue? Will president, Bashar al-Assad sit around a table and talk peace and negotiate?

Of course. Just how you go about it.

Quote by starlightcouple
What a ridiculous analogy you made in your opening statement. Sometimes the bullet and the bomb are the ONLY way.

Pathetic macho posturing fills pages of the daily mail with images of body bags, we need to learn why the bullet and bomb are not the only way.

Quote by starlightcouple
Will sitting around a table with North Korea help then Rogue?

Of course it will, ignorance of the other parties grievance is no excuse for a confrontation.
Such a naive way of looking at the world and it's problems. I think I would rather politicians make the decisions now for sure.
I believe we are all still evolving in life as we become more educated about the world around us people being able to communication more open and freely. The world has changed considerably since the introduction of the internet than ever before in history.
I think enough lessons in life have been learned through death and destruction and the way forward is to listen and learn.
I think leaders of some countries want to hold onto power and control for their own best interests I think the more free minded and open countries have learnt many lessons and we should continue without bombs and guns and killing innocent people that are actually send to fight your battles if you believe that way is the best way. I would always ask myself why you never joined up and put your life on the line for what you believe in.

13 Mar 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
Such a naive way of looking at the world and it's problems. I think I would rather politicians make the decisions now for sure.

My "naive way" is that of Henry Kissinger, look him up and you may learn something.
He was the American President........yes? I of course know of him and have read some of the things he did and some he did not do.
There are great men who stop wars and some great men that take that challenge on when all around them is lost. Churchill was a great man and a great leader, as for Kissinger a great man maybe, but a great leader?

13 Mar 2013

Quote by star
He was the American President........yes?

No, he was Secretary of State in the Nixon and Ford administrations.
You do realise, don't you star, that you are now required to correctly answer questions such as this before you are allowed to disembark your flight to the States on holiday this year :giggle:

13 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
He was the American President........yes?

No, he was Secretary of State in the Nixon and Ford administrations.
You do realise, don't you star, that you are now required to correctly answer questions such as this before you are allowed to disembark your flight to the States on holiday this year :giggle:
Sorry GnV I was trying my hardest to be imperturbable.
I kinda knew he was not the American President wink

Sorry GnV. Never been to the States and frankly never had the urge to either. I do love the Canaries and of course Egypt for my holidays. Would not want to live there but great for two weeks of the year for the sunshine.
Are they not trying the same crap in the UK before allowing people in GnV.? As people entering the UK for migrant reasons would naturally assume it was one long holiday here anyway. hump

13 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
He was the American President........yes?

No, he was Secretary of State in the Nixon and Ford administrations.
You do realise, don't you star, that you are now required to correctly answer questions such as this before you are allowed to disembark your flight to the States on holiday this year :giggle:
Sorry GnV I was trying my hardest to be imperturbable.
I kinda knew he was not the American President wink

Sorry GnV. Never been to the States and frankly never had the urge to either.I do love the Canaries and of course Egypt for my holidays. Would not want to live there but great for two weeks of the year for the sunshine.
Are they not trying the same crap in the UK before allowing people in GnV.? As people entering the UK for migrant reasons would naturally assume it was one long holiday here anyway. hump

I'm confused star......

Quote by in the UKIP policies thread on 24th Jan, star
It was not that long ago that £1 would get you Euros. Now £1 gets you Euros. Seems the Euro has lost value against the pound from what it was.
Anyway does the UK buy it's money in Euros? And seeing as I am not looking to go anywhere in Europe in the next 5 years at least, I do not give a shit how many Euros I may or may not get to my one English pound.
No I may be worried about my holiday this year to America or my Christmas trip to Sharm later in the year, if those currencies were in Euros.

Which is it to be, matey? Are the States and America not the same?
See, some of us (despite our ageing years) still have good memories...
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13 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
Which is it to be, matey? Are the States and America not the same?
See, some of us (despite our ageing years) still have good memories...
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I am glad that you are not that senile.........yet.
I did indeed say those things and we did plan to go visiting friends in California and then onto Florida for a week, but alas money being what it is at the moment we decided to cancel the American trip, as we are heading off to Perth in Australia next not aware I had to let you know of our change of plans though Dad. wink

But am glad that you are watching my every move on here, I kinds feel honoured or stalked not sure which.
We shall make do with our yearly jaunt to Sharm but thought this year we would choose a different hotel. What ya reckon of this one matey?

Booked and everything. :happy:

13 Mar 2013

Perth and Sharma....
Life on JSA not at all bad then, star.
More than I can afford.

13 Mar 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
Such a naive way of looking at the world and it's problems. I think I would rather politicians make the decisions now for sure.

My "naive way" is that of Henry Kissinger, look him up and you may learn something.
thats done it you mentioned kissinger. we'll have guls here any minute :doh:

13 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
Perth and Sharma....
Life on JSA not at all bad then, star.
More than I can afford.

No Sharm GnV not Sharma. It is in Egypt btw. rolleyes

My JSA was paid through my NI contributions, as it was based on my previous three years of NI contributions.. flipa

It was most certainly not income based matey.
Also my income is not based on just my wages and but my Wife works also. Plus I have said more than once that I am now back to work, surprised you have not picked up on that one. I am sure that when your Mrs was working in her profession as a teacher and your business venture, I am sure you could have well afforded such holidays and probably did. So do not understand your stupid comment about more than you can afford.:kissmyarse:
Oh and before I forget and you pick up on it and remind me, I no longer live on Thamesmead. We have moved to a nice little house in Bexley, with only around 17% owing on it.
People with new business ideas yada yada yada.

13 Mar 2013

Quote by Lizaleanrob
Such a naive way of looking at the world and it's problems. I think I would rather politicians make the decisions now for sure.

My "naive way" is that of Henry Kissinger, look him up and you may learn something.
thats done it you mentioned kissinger. we'll have guls here any minute :doh:
:-( I miss Guls, ain't had a good conspiracy theory for ages...

13 Mar 2013

So, in 3 years, you have moved from Plaistow to Thamesmead to posh Bexley.
Moonlight flits?
And no, it wasn't a stupid comment. I really can't afford holidays in Egypt. What I might have afforded in the past bears no relationship to what is now affordable in retirement.
When we were working, we worked solidly on and in the business. Whilst our staff took their entitlement to holidays, we took no more than long weekends to recharge our batteries. That is said not by way of complaint but more as an indication of the suffering the self employed bear to provide employment to others. It's often not appreciated by employees.

13 Mar 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
Such a naive way of looking at the world and it's problems. I think I would rather politicians make the decisions now for sure.

My "naive way" is that of Henry Kissinger, look him up and you may learn something.
thats done it you mentioned kissinger. we'll have guls here any minute :doh:
:-( I miss Guls, ain't had a good conspiracy theory for ages...
Can always ask GnV to run through his Diana conspiracy theory again. :notes:

13 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
So, in 3 years, you have moved from Plaistow to Thamesmead to posh Bexley.

I think you will find if you bothered to do some homework, that house prices in East London are sky high. Thamesmead has some lovely property GnV, like house that can sell for +. Bexley is cheap in comparison when you are comparing it to London prices.
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Quote by GnV
Moonlight flits?

See what people who are employees can afford with their money?

Quote by GnV
And no, it wasn't a stupid comment. I really can't afford holidays in Egypt. What I might have afforded in the past bears no relationship to what is now affordable in retirement.

Of course it does, and yes it was a silly comment to I wonder how many people can afford to retire before the age of 65? I mean you are not near 65 and have been in France for at least 3 years to my knowledge which would have made you late 50's when you retired. Not bad eh? I wish I can retire then, in fact I bet there are many people who wish they could afford to retire at 65.

Quote by GnV
When we were working, we worked solidly on and in the business. Whilst our staff took their entitlement to holidays, we took no more than long weekends to recharge our batteries. That is said not by way of complaint but more as an indication of the suffering the self employed bear to provide employment to others.

Oh purleese GnV, you act like the typical poor hard done by employer, who sacrifices it all to pay the wages. Like most good successful employers, they do a damn sight better than the people they employ, and if they do not then they are rubbish at running a business.

13 Mar 2013

Yes star. I've been most fortunate. But, you make your own luck. Life is not a rehearsal.

14 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
Yes star. I've been most fortunate. But, you make your own luck. Life is not a rehearsal.

I thought you would not comment on the early retirement bit. I bet your past employees are all still working.:bounce:

14 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
Yes star. I've been most fortunate. But, you make your own luck. Life is not a rehearsal.

I thought you would not comment on the early retirement bit. I bet your past employees are all still working.:bounce:
I guess so, they were all younger than me.

14 Mar 2013

Well what about using your sit around the table tactics on this one then Rogue Trader??

Do you think North Korea will sit and talk? What really? rolleyes

14 Mar 2013

15 Mar 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
Well what about using your sit around the table tactics on this one then Rogue Trader??

Do you think North Korea will sit and talk? What really?

We use live ordnance on Dartmoor and Salisbury Plain, so that's a bit of a red herring. The posturing due the sanctions imposed by the UN should have been expected. Anyone could see that.
China does not want a war on her borders between N and S Korea as she knows USA will lend support and who knows what could escalate from that causing China to lose one of major trading partners (the US) So China will by diplomacy (see my previous reference to Henry Kissinger, as you had no idea of who he was or what he accomplished) sort out the little yapping shiatzu that is Kim Jong Un.

15 Mar 2013

Kim Jong Un has been watching too many Bond Movies rolleyes

Problem is, he dozes off before the end where the N. Korean fruitcake gets his come-uppance :lol2:

15 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
Kim Jong Un has been watching too many Bond Movies
Problem is, he dozes off before the end where the N. Korean fruitcake gets his come-uppance :lol2:

Well that's not surprising as it would be past his bedtime before the film finished.

15 Mar 2013

Quote by Rogue_Trader
China does not want a war on her borders between N and S Korea as she knows USA will lend support and who knows what could escalate from that causing China to lose one of major trading partners (the US) So China will by diplomacy (see my previous reference to Henry Kissinger, as you had no idea of who he was or what he accomplished) sort out the little yapping shiatzu that is Kim Jong Un.

Henry Kissinger who?? Never heard of him at all, was he in the Regan administration or was he from the Abraham Lincoln era? rolleyes

I never heard of George Washington either Rogue,in fact where is America again?

15 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
So, in 3 years, you have moved from Plaistow to Thamesmead to posh Bexley.
Moonlight flits?

caravan and a transit G rotflmao

15 Mar 2013

Quote by Lizaleanrob
So, in 3 years, you have moved from Plaistow to Thamesmead to posh Bexley.
Moonlight flits?

caravan and a transit G rotflmao

You been asleep for the past three days Rob? Not a moon light flit in sight Rob, just moving from one area to another. Have to be bloody careful though with my new 60 inch telly for me cinema room. Well................easy pickings on JSA apparently. :bounce:
Oh and no van or a caravan, but a very nice removal firm in my local area I have used. Anytime you may want them Rob, send me a pm as you have done in the past and I will pass on all the info. wink

16 Mar 2013

Quote by star
send me a pm as you have done in the past and I will pass on all the info.

Forgive me if I missed something, but isn't a 'pm' supposed to be just that... Private, as in no one knows about exchanges behind the scenes?
Otherwise, what's the point dunno

16 Mar 2013

Quote by GnV
send me a pm as you have done in the past and I will pass on all the info.

Forgive me if I missed something, but isn't a 'pm' supposed to be just that... Private, as in no one knows about exchanges behind the scenes?
Otherwise, what's the point dunno

Is it? I thought disclosing the contents of said pm would be private, not the fact a person sent one. How many times on this very forum have I heard the words " I shall send you a pm ". If your interpretation of telling someone about a pm is also a private matter, well must be an age thing. passionkiss

Don't worry though GnV as I shall give you one of these.......:therethere::therethere: