Ok so we all know that there is no such thing as safe sex, no not even masturbation, I tried that and fell off the bed hurting my arm. It is generally about minimising the risk, using condoms, birth control, watch the alcohol intake etc. Then of course there are those that throw caution to the wind and don't take any precautions.
No this is not about "should you, shouldn't you"
I have another question .......
A guy was recently (and in my personal opinion quite rightly) charged with "knowingly passing an infection without warning those that may be in danger" or words to that effect. Of course if convicted he will be sentanced as it is a crime he may even face manslaughter charges or even murder charges if as is alledged some of his "victims" have died, the crux of the case if proved is that he deliberately put the women at risk, Police believe that he may have had sex with over 100 women since being informed he has full blown aids. I doubt we will ever know the real number of victims as the women in question are alledged to have had unprotected sex with him on the first date the reason he chose to infect them as he believed this made them whores and it was (he states) a whore that gave him the disease in the first place, many of these women will have had sex with other men not knowing that they have been infected so the list will go on and on.
So that is the basic facts as reported and it is not the first case it will not be the last.
Today I read a profile on here (no names of course), basically a wife wants to be her husbands slut, not unusual at all, but for him to accept this he states that he has laid down some rules, one of which is that she has unprotected sex with 1000 men this year.
So finally my question, if by doing that she becomes infected with aids ?, is he as guilty as the guy who was arrested ? could he, should he be charged with manslaughter or murder if a death occurs as a result of his "orders/request" could he, should he be charged with some form of assault charge if she simply contracts an STD, should she also be charged if she then passes that on to one of the 1000 men ?
And ..... are 1000 men going to be desperate or crazy enough to respond to a profile that says they are going to be one of a thousand unprotected sex sessions ?
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Quote by MidsCouple24
if by doing that she becomes infected with aids ?, is he as guilty as the guy who was arrested ?
No, as long as the wife is of sound mind, understands the risks involved and agrees to it I do not see why the husband would be culpable. (Having read the profile in question, it sounds like a joint venture, anyway.) Same with the thousand guys involved - the couple is open about their situation, so concenting participants should accept the risks involved. There is no mallice or deceipt as in the case of the man convicted. (Though of course, lawyers could and often do make a case out of everything).
Whether men would sign up for it... many do
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you only have to look at how many bareback rooms there are to find out if many would be interested in this. but no i dont think he should have any charges, she on the other hand should seek a psychiatrist if she contemplates doing this as she needs her marbles looking for
Sadly that is very true, y'know for me I don't care if people want to ignore all risks and go for full bareback sex, it is thier choice and thier lives at risk, providing they are honest with thier prospective partners they are harming nobody but themselves and those that choose to bareback with them.
My bug with it is against sites like this one, sites who have no moral qualms about thier members, I was going to join another site today until I came to "ticking the boxes"
Bisexual, straight, size, age all pretty standard stuff, then I came to the box that asked if I was an escort, did I require payment or would I pay to meet, what place has that got on a swingers site ?
Swinging has evolved but has to retain the basic rule - adults doing what they want to do with mutual consent, not any form of prostitution, there is nothing wrong with escorting or prostitution (in my opinion) it just doesn't have any place in the swinging scene.
Most clubs provide FREE condoms, ok some charge but they still provide them, and yes if you dont allow "barebackers" to be on the site they will just say "safe sex only" and that would be bad for everyone else, there is no solution but that is a shame because it is that single act that brings swinging into so much disrepute with many people outside the scene.
I am a swinger but I have morals, more morals than many non-swingers, I dont "do drunks", I dont swing under the influence of alcohol or drugs, I dont do illegal sex of any description, I don't "take one for the team" or expect my partner to do that.
How many non-swingers think I am wrong to be a swinger but do the above ? how many one night stands take place ? and worst of all how many people cheat on thier partners ?
Oh and before you say many on here are cheating on thier partners they are not swingers just opportunists because as I said swinging is doing what you do with your partners consent.
My bug with it is against sites like this one, sites who have no moral qualms about thier members, I was going to join another site today until I came to "ticking the boxes"
Bisexual, straight, size, age all pretty standard stuff, then I came to the box that asked if I was an escort, did I require payment or would I pay to meet, what place has that got on a swingers site ?
Swinging has evolved but has to retain the basic rule - adults doing what they want to do with mutual consent, not any form of prostitution, there is nothing wrong with escorting or prostitution (in my opinion) it just doesn't have any place in the swinging scene.
Most clubs provide FREE condoms, ok some charge but they still provide them, and yes if you dont allow "barebackers" to be on the site they will just say "safe sex only" and that would be bad for everyone else, there is no solution but that is a shame because it is that single act that brings swinging into so much disrepute with many people outside the scene.
I am a swinger but I have morals, more morals than many non-swingers, I dont "do drunks", I dont swing under the influence of alcohol or drugs, I dont do illegal sex of any description, I don't "take one for the team" or expect my partner to do that.
How many non-swingers think I am wrong to be a swinger but do the above ? how many one night stands take place ? and worst of all how many people cheat on thier partners ?
Oh and before you say many on here are cheating on thier partners they are not swingers just opportunists because as I said swinging is doing what you do with your partners consent.
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you only have to look at how many bareback rooms there are to find out if many would be interested in this. but no i dont think he should have any charges, she on the other hand should seek a psychiatrist if she contemplates doing this as she needs her marbles looking for
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a thousand men? we have truble finding one guy on here. good luck i say.
Quote by moniquejohn
Today I read a profile on here (no names of course), basically a wife wants to be her husbands slut, not unusual at all, but for him to accept this he states that he has laid down some rules, one of which is that she has unprotected sex with 1000 men this year.
"if she contemplates doing this as she needs her marbles looking for"
Dont we all?
"are 1000 men going to be desperate or crazy enough to respond to a profile that says they are going to be one of a thousand unprotected sex sessions ?"
Judging by the response so far, YES.
John.
Quote by moniquejohn
Today I read a profile on here (no names of course), basically a wife wants to be her husbands slut, not unusual at all, but for him to accept this he states that he has laid down some rules, one of which is that she has unprotected sex with 1000 men this year.
"if she contemplates doing this as she needs her marbles looking for"
Dont we all?
"are 1000 men going to be desperate or crazy enough to respond to a profile that says they are going to be one of a thousand unprotected sex sessions ?"
Judging by the response so far, YES.
John.
I wouldn't expect to be here in 12 months time either, if I was one of those who take part, I only hope that they are as honest as you are and put on thier profile/tell prospective playmates that they take part in unprotected sex on a regular basis and being 1 of 1000 is the equivalent of having sex with the other 999 so that is a regular basis
Now, my personal and moral views aired and of course your own views respected, do you think you can achieve your goal ? an average club gangbang for 10 guys is possible but not guaranteed, occasionally larger numbers can be achieved but not often, a private gangbang can range from 2-10 men turning up but again not often. Assuming your lucky and do get 10 guys each time it is still going to take 100 gangbangs to achieve the results you seek, that's a third of a year taken up, work and the rest aside that's a lot of hours you need to put by, perhaps visiting a club like Chameleons which is open 7 days a week to single guys might be a good idea, dogging is another method that may help, but using the forums and meet today on a number of sites will simply not gather enough even over a year
Quote by MidsCouple24
Now, my personal and moral views aired and of course your own views respected, do you think you can achieve your goal ? an average club gangbang for 10 guys is possible but not guaranteed, occasionally larger numbers can be achieved but not often, a private gangbang can range from 2-10 men turning up but again not often. Assuming your lucky and do get 10 guys each time it is still going to take 100 gangbangs to achieve the results you seek, that's a third of a year taken up, work and the rest aside that's a lot of hours you need to put by, perhaps visiting a club like Chameleons which is open 7 days a week to single guys might be a good idea, dogging is another method that may help, but using the forums and meet today on a number of sites will simply not gather enough even over a year
ohh I've already given up, way to much work.
john.
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a thousand men? we have truble finding one guy on here. good luck i say.
This is our experience also, we have had only a few meets from here, an advert here will generate only a few responses for us, on other sites we get more than we can possibly reply to....
Maybe it just the area we are in
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I wouldn't expect to be here in 12 months time either, if I was one of those who take part, I only hope that they are as honest as you are and put on thier profile/tell prospective playmates that they take part in unprotected sex on a regular basis and being 1 of 1000 is the equivalent of having sex with the other 999 so that is a regular basis
Totally true in every way. But if a person is willing to have unprotected sex, then the matter ends there as you may as well have fucked the whole planet, numbers like 10 or 1000 or 100000 make no differences.
For example the person who you meet and fall in love with, then have unprotected sex with, can tell you as much as he or she wishes that they have "only had unprotected sex with one partner in the last 10 years" it makes no differences.
Unless your going to have full aids and std tests done, your in exactly the same position as someone who has regular unprotected sex.
the only differences is you sit there and work out imaginary chance parentage based on information your guessing at.
0.1% chance of catching something or a 10% chance makes no differences if your the unlucky one.
what I'm trying to say, is if anyone has unprotected sex with anyone else and assumes that person has nothing or is telling the truth, then their a fool.
you have to make your choice and take the risk if you wish to.
and as off yet, monique has not had unprotected anything with anyone..except me..oh and everyone else i have before i met her 10 years ago etc.
Totally true in every way. But if a person is willing to have unprotected sex, then the matter ends there as you may as well have fucked the whole planet, numbers like 10 or 1000 or 100000 make no differences.
For example the person who you meet and fall in love with, then have unprotected sex with, can tell you as much as he or she wishes that they have "only had unprotected sex with one partner in the last 10 years" it makes no differences.
Unless your going to have full aids and std tests done, your in exactly the same position as someone who has regular unprotected sex.
the only differences is you sit there and work out imaginary chance parentage based on information your guessing at.
0.1% chance of catching something or a 10% chance makes no differences if your the unlucky one.
what I'm trying to say, is if anyone has unprotected sex with anyone else and assumes that person has nothing or is telling the truth, then their a fool.
you have to make your choice and take the risk if you wish to.
and as off yet, monique has not had unprotected anything with anyone..except me..oh and everyone else i have before i met her 10 years ago etc.
now hang on, if a person has unprotected sex once it makes no difference ? the risk is the same as if they have unprotected sex 1000 or 10,000 times ?
That is crazy talk, yes once could be the unlucky time, a woman can fall pregnant the first time she has sex, my ex wife and myself had unprotected sex for 2 years before she fell pregnant and for a further 2 years before she fell pregnant with our second child.
Run accross the motorway once you may get away with it, run accross it every day 10 times a day and sooner or later your luck could run out.
As I said in my first post, there is no such thing as safe sex but for those who want to enjoy the safest sex they can achieve it is about minimising the risk. It is all down to personal choice, personal choice and honesty, I have no problem with people making choices to do it providing they are upfront and honest about it with prospective partners and tell them that they do it so the person has the same choice and does what they as thier own choice as well, as I said you were upfront and honest about it so I wish you luck
That is crazy talk, yes once could be the unlucky time, a woman can fall pregnant the first time she has sex, my ex wife and myself had unprotected sex for 2 years before she fell pregnant and for a further 2 years before she fell pregnant with our second child.
Run accross the motorway once you may get away with it, run accross it every day 10 times a day and sooner or later your luck could run out.
As I said in my first post, there is no such thing as safe sex but for those who want to enjoy the safest sex they can achieve it is about minimising the risk. It is all down to personal choice, personal choice and honesty, I have no problem with people making choices to do it providing they are upfront and honest about it with prospective partners and tell them that they do it so the person has the same choice and does what they as thier own choice as well, as I said you were upfront and honest about it so I wish you luck
