another day another soap box subject

25 Oct 2012

In response to complaints that Premiership Clubs charge far too much for fans to see a match an MP has said, "ditch the Premiership Clubs and go to non-league club games in protest", that doesn't surprise me coming from an MP, they know nothing of roots and loyalty.
But I would love to see it happen, imagine the result this Saturday if 70,000 MU fans ditched Old Trafford and went to a local non-league ground lol

imagine the chaos up and down the country if all fans did it, imagine the dangers of even 10,000 fans turning up at a ground that normally copes with less than a 1000.
Another MP with no idea of the real world making ludicrous and dangerous suggestions as bad as the MP who told us to stockpile petrol in garages (against the law to do so).
It is scary that the people running this country can be so stupid.
Incidently a family of four visiting Old Trafford for the next home game would pay £112 for 4 tickets to see the match
On the same date a family of 4 visiting the Victoria Palace Theatre in London to see Billy Elliot would pay £244
A family of 4 visiting Alton Towers on that day can get a discounted ticket 24 hours before they arrive for £133
Very expensive day out for all events events methinks but why is football being singled out ?.

25 Oct 2012

Simple answer ... you don't go and watch the same Theatre show every Saturday. I say Saturday ... the loyality of the football fan is tested and very rarely a game is on Saturday
That's why football is being "singled" out. It's not just entertainment for a one off treat .... it's life !

25 Oct 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24

A family of 4 visiting Alton Towers on that day can get a discounted ticket 24 hours before they arrive for £133
Very expensive day out for all events events methinks but why is football being singled out ?.

A family of 4 can get a family ticket for Alton Towers for on the same day as the next Manchester United home game if booked now....

25 Oct 2012

Quote by Steve

A family of 4 visiting Alton Towers on that day can get a discounted ticket 24 hours before they arrive for £133
Very expensive day out for all events events methinks but why is football being singled out ?.

A family of 4 can get a family ticket for Alton Towers for on the same day as the next Manchester United home game if booked now....
We took my two boys to Alton Towers last weekend on a 2 for 1 day and cost £90. Even then it was overpriced but the park was open from 10 AM to 9 PM. So in terms of pounds per hour, it's more value than the same (or more) price for 90 minutes (ignoring stoppage time etc).

25 Oct 2012

I agree there are better value for money venues and events, I am one of those who actually think football is too expensive to visit regularly but as always I do like to create topics for discussion to get a more varied opinion for me and others.
I think a fair price to view a match would be £20 per person regardless of age with the exception of those young enough to share a seat with an adult, at the end of the day a seat is a seat and there are only so many at every ground so occupy a seat £20 is fair.
My main point wasn't supporting the cost clubs charge but the absurdity of the MP's solution.

25 Oct 2012

Jed, I think your main point was lost.
It costs us £60 for a family of four to go and see our local football team play, and they are only a league 2 team, so £100 for a premiership team isn't that bad by comparison.
Yet I'm confused by this:

Quote by MidsCouple24
I think a fair price to view a match would be £20 per person regardless of age with the exception of those young enough to share a seat with an adult, at the end of the day a seat is a seat and there are only so many at every ground so occupy a seat £20 is fair.

Yes your right, a seat is a seat and may only legally be occupied by one person, so seat sharing wouldn't be allowed. so if every person was to be charged £20 per seat a family of four would cost £80 right?
So how on earth can you justify spending less on a ticket for a premiership team but more on a ticket for a league 2 team? Why should I now pay £20 more?
Back to what you now tell us is your main point. Yes, storing petrol in the wrong conditions is dangerous and illegal, thanks for helping to point that out.

26 Oct 2012

Quote by Steve

A family of 4 visiting Alton Towers on that day can get a discounted ticket 24 hours before they arrive for £133
Very expensive day out for all events events methinks but why is football being singled out ?.

A family of 4 can get a family ticket for Alton Towers for on the same day as the next Manchester United home game if booked now....
And Steve that gives you a whole days entertainment where as a football match is 90 minutes, but in reality 60 minutes when you take into account the time the ball is out of play. The getting out of a huge ground is a nightmare at best.
But the loyal supporter would happily pay £300 if it meant their team wins. lol

Now there is loyalty for you.

26 Oct 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24

Another MP with no idea of the real world making ludicrous and dangerous suggestions as bad as the MP who told us to stockpile petrol in garages (against the law to do so).

Isn't that exactly what your doing here....
Football grounds were made all seater in a bid to increase safety and reduce the risk of overcrowding yet you seem to advocate flouting this by having young children sitting on their parents knee

Quote by MidsCouple24
I agree there are better value for money venues and events, I am one of those who actually think football is too expensive to visit regularly but as always I do like to create topics for discussion to get a more varied opinion for me and others.
I think a fair price to view a match would be £20 per person regardless of age with the exception of those young enough to share a seat with an adult, at the end of the day a seat is a seat and there are only so many at every ground so occupy a seat £20 is fair.

Quote by MidsCouple24

My main point wasn't supporting the cost clubs charge but the absurdity of the MP's solution.

I see your suggestion as equally ludicrous....

26 Oct 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
And Steve that gives you a whole days entertainment where as a football match is 90 minutes, but in reality 60 minutes when you take into account the time the ball is out of play. The getting out of a huge ground is a nightmare at best.

By the time you've factored in the time spent queueing at Alton Towers you probably don't spend much more time on the rides than the time the ball is in play at a football game.

26 Oct 2012

Get yourself to Hyde Park Corner

26 Oct 2012

damn but you have to be carefull how you phrase anything in here lol

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The children I meant were babes in arms not kids who can safely occupy thier own seat, I cannot see football grounds supplying high chairs and a babe in arms is as safe at a football ground as it is on a bus that may have to stop suddenly or be involved in a RTA.
Yes as said storing petrol in garages (over 5 litres in a proper container) is illegal and dangerous but an MP told us to do in during the recent fuel delivery crisis.
Now an MP says go to non-league matches to which I replied I would like to see it happen to show how ludicrous the suggestion was, nobody in thier right mind can believe that hundreds of thousand of fans will do that tomorrow, I doubt if a single Chelsea, Arsenal, Stoke, Man U, Liverpool, Man C or any of the others would do it even once in protest, saying I would like to see it is a term of phrase used often yet knowing you never will, but the MP obviously thinks people will do it, and doesnt realise the consequences if they did, what a thunk.
As for price comparisons, it's about overheads, supply and demand, loyalty and sometimes greed, supporters want the best players in thier team and that rightly or wrongly costs money, people wouldn't pay much to go to a concert where all the artists were people who didn't make the X Factor auditions and they won't pay much to see semi professionals or amateurs play football, but they will pay more to see Madonna, Kylie, Justin Beber etc in the same way they will pay more to see the top footballers.
Tonight a lot of guys will pay between £30 and £50 to go into a swingers club something that some will do every week and others occasionally, kinda like going to a football match, not much cheaper than a football match yet the overheads of a club compared with Chelsea FC, Man City FC etc is phenonmenal things have to be put into perspective to decide if one thing is overpriced or not.
I would like to see my club charge £20 a ticket but I also want to see them win so understand that this means top players, top facilities, top back up staff and all that means I have to pay a lot to get in.
Speakers Corner, errrr 21st Century here, Forums are speakers corner for the masses, why travel hundreds of miles to London when I can reach just as wide an audience here in my lounge ? and in the forums I can get a lot more feedback than you can at hide corner, I get to read peoples opinions and ideas different to my own, sometimes it makes me re-think my beliefs or increases my knowledge of a subject sometimes it just confirms what I believe, in this thread alone I have learnt not to accept the first price package I read for entry to Alton Towers and look around for better deals (actually I would ask my friend who lives in Alton and gets free tickets for some .... winks

26 Oct 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24

Now an MP says go to non-league matches to which I replied I would like to see it happen to show how ludicrous the suggestion was, nobody in thier right mind can believe that hundreds of thousand of fans will do that tomorrow, I doubt if a single Chelsea, Arsenal, Stoke, Man U, Liverpool, Man C or any of the others would do it even once in protest, saying I would like to see it is a term of phrase used often yet knowing you never will, but the MP obviously thinks people will do it, and doesnt realise the consequences if they did, what a thunk.

Do you honestly believe that the MP actually thought for one minute that hundreds and thousands of fans would go and watch a non league team instead of their premiership team?
Really? dunno

26 Oct 2012

.No I don't and I have said that a couple of times and I have said that the statement just shows how stupid some MPs really are, now I make stupid statements from time to time, and I am sure most of us do, but MPs are supposed to be a cut above the rest of us when it comes to solutions to the Countries problems, they get high salaries for coming up with good ideas and for solving problems, for knowing when to shut up and when to speak out, for being an ambassador to the rest of the world, not making us a laughing stock.
If you want to put an end to some of the "over pricing" in the nation why not look at some sensible things, footbal affects a minority, why not think of something more relevant, off the top of my head, razor blades, almost every man from the age of 17 uses them and many women, they are pretty basic things, a bit of plastic and some sharp metal, so why can I buy a mobile phone cheaper than a pack of 5 blades ?
My current mobile cost me 50 pence from the T Mobile shop, normal retail price , 50p is you topped up £20 at the time, I thought this was a bargain so upped my top up request from £15 to £20, and presto a phone for another 50p (a samsung), such a good deal I topped up my new phone with £20 and got another one for Sasha at the same time lol

They have served us well for a long time, but even at the full retail price of £10:49 they are better value for money than a pack of razor blades
Y'know this is a forum, a place to chat and air your views comment on other peoples views, put the world to rights, learn and teach, a place of no real importance but a place for some fun and some serious discussions, a place at the moment I believe to be short of a few topics to contribute to, so for the sake of a few minutes here and there I will create new topics, people can ignore them or comment, thats what forums are about :lol:

26 Oct 2012

So if you don't believe that the MP meant for hundreds and thousands of Premier League supporters to visit non league teams instead of their own teams, what was the point of your post?
Surely he was just making a point that it was much cheaper and possibly better value to go and watch non league football than to watch an overpriced premier league match. What is stupid about that?

27 Oct 2012

Jed, keep posting new topics, i enjoy them even if i don't contribute, they are usually interesting smile

There are some SH members who will argue with you just for the sake of it, but i'm sure you have noticed that lol

27 Oct 2012

Quote by nellie-mwgc
Jed, keep posting new topics, i enjoy them even if i don't contribute, they are usually interesting
There are some SH members who will argue with you just for the sake of it, but i'm sure you have noticed that lol

I'm not arguing just for the sake of it, in fact I'm not arguing at all. I'm posting my viewpoint which Jed has pointed out is the purpose of the forum. I would also suggest that if no one disagreed with Jed's views you wouldn't find his posts quite so interesting.

27 Oct 2012

Quote by Max777
Jed, keep posting new topics, i enjoy them even if i don't contribute, they are usually interesting
There are some SH members who will argue with you just for the sake of it, but i'm sure you have noticed that lol

I'm not arguing just for the sake of it, in fact I'm not arguing at all. I'm posting my viewpoint which Jed has pointed out is the purpose of the forum. I would also suggest that if no one disagreed with Jed's views you wouldn't find his posts quite so interesting.
Agreed, as I have said many times, some of the replies just reaffirm what I say, sometimes they change my opinion, always I learn something new.
But my point I have said a couple of times now, it was to highlight the stupidity of some people who should know better and who are paid to know better, what if I had said in the forums, don't go to premiership matches go to non-league matches in protest to the prices, I would have had a dozen replies telling me how stupid I was being, but I am just an uneducated nobody, MP's as I have already said are ambassadors for the UK, making us look stupid is not what they are paid to do, they are supposed to be the people that can solve our problems with good solutions not stupid ones, they get a lot of money to think about these things properly, everyone who has commented agrees that hundreds of thousands of fans turning thier back on the premier league would be bad for safety, bad for the economy, bad for the non-league clubs and bad for British Football and those things just off the top of my head I am sure there would be more repercussions.
My point is, MPs if you cannot say something sensible don't say anything at all.

27 Oct 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
Jed, keep posting new topics, i enjoy them even if i don't contribute, they are usually interesting
There are some SH members who will argue with you just for the sake of it, but i'm sure you have noticed that lol

I'm not arguing just for the sake of it, in fact I'm not arguing at all. I'm posting my viewpoint which Jed has pointed out is the purpose of the forum. I would also suggest that if no one disagreed with Jed's views you wouldn't find his posts quite so interesting.
Agreed, as I have said many times, some of the replies just reaffirm what I say, sometimes they change my opinion, always I learn something new.
But my point I have said a couple of times now, it was to highlight the stupidity of some people who should know better and who are paid to know better, what if I had said in the forums, don't go to premiership matches go to non-league matches in protest to the prices, I would have had a dozen replies telling me how stupid I was being, but I am just an uneducated nobody, MP's as I have already said are ambassadors for the UK, making us look stupid is not what they are paid to do, they are supposed to be the people that can solve our problems with good solutions not stupid ones, they get a lot of money to think about these things properly, everyone who has commented agrees that hundreds of thousands of fans turning thier back on the premier league would be bad for safety, bad for the economy, bad for the non-league clubs and bad for British Football and those things just off the top of my head I am sure there would be more repercussions.
My point is, MPs if you cannot say something sensible don't say anything at all.
But there would never have been hundreds and thousands of supporters turning their backs on premier league matches. You are taking the MPs comments to absurd lengths. That is my point.

27 Oct 2012

Quote by Max777
Jed, keep posting new topics, i enjoy them even if i don't contribute, they are usually interesting
There are some SH members who will argue with you just for the sake of it, but i'm sure you have noticed that lol

I'm not arguing just for the sake of it, in fact I'm not arguing at all. I'm posting my viewpoint which Jed has pointed out is the purpose of the forum. I would also suggest that if no one disagreed with Jed's views you wouldn't find his posts quite so interesting.
I didn't say you argued for the sake of it, i didn't name anyone, i didn't even specify it was on this thread lol
I enjoy reading what Jed has to say regardless of what others contribute :) so your sugestion as to what i find interesting is wrong :) I like Jeds outlook on life and i like reading his threads even if i don't always agree with what he says :)
I hope he keeps on with it !

27 Oct 2012

Quote by nellie-mwgc
Jed, keep posting new topics, i enjoy them even if i don't contribute, they are usually interesting
There are some SH members who will argue with you just for the sake of it, but i'm sure you have noticed that lol

I'm not arguing just for the sake of it, in fact I'm not arguing at all. I'm posting my viewpoint which Jed has pointed out is the purpose of the forum. I would also suggest that if no one disagreed with Jed's views you wouldn't find his posts quite so interesting.
I didn't say you argued for the sake of it, i didn't name anyone, i didn't even specify it was on this thread lol
I enjoy reading what Jed has to say regardless of what others contribute :) so your sugestion as to what i find interesting is wrong :) I like Jeds outlook on life and i like reading his threads even if i don't always agree with what he says :)
I hope he keeps on with it !
As you were very vague with your accusation and as your post immediately followed mine, I was clarifying my position. I also hope Jed continues to post and haven't seen any suggestion that he won't.

27 Oct 2012

Quote by Max777
Jed, keep posting new topics, i enjoy them even if i don't contribute, they are usually interesting
There are some SH members who will argue with you just for the sake of it, but i'm sure you have noticed that lol

I'm not arguing just for the sake of it, in fact I'm not arguing at all. I'm posting my viewpoint which Jed has pointed out is the purpose of the forum. I would also suggest that if no one disagreed with Jed's views you wouldn't find his posts quite so interesting.
I didn't say you argued for the sake of it, i didn't name anyone, i didn't even specify it was on this thread lol
I enjoy reading what Jed has to say regardless of what others contribute :) so your sugestion as to what i find interesting is wrong :) I like Jeds outlook on life and i like reading his threads even if i don't always agree with what he says :)
I hope he keeps on with it !
As you were very vague with your accusation and as your post immediately followed mine, I was clarifying my position. I also hope Jed continues to post and haven't seen any suggestion that he won't.
:)

27 Oct 2012

Stop posting giggles, like that will happen wink

does a bear shit in the woods ?
and if it does should park rangers be made to carry large poop bags around with them, is it good for the environment ? would trees and insect suffer if there was a lack of bear poo ?
Over the years I have always found bear poo helpfull, when I was a boy scout I was taught that you could tell the points of a compass from the front of a tree and there was a way of spotting the front, now I can't quite remember if it was something to do with the leaves or the colour of the bark etc but I have found an easy way of finding the front of a tree, look for the bear poo, I know they must go behind a tree to do it lol

27 Oct 2012

so back to the story ......
Fair prices for events, apparently this one isn't one of them
the cheapest ticket to see The Rolling Stones at the O2 arena in London next month is £106. If you want Mick and Keith to be anything more than spindly stick figures in the distance, prices go to £406.
And a VIP hospitality ticket, which guarantees a place inside the terrifyingly-named "tongue pit" at the edge of the stage, is £1,140.
Fans of the band aren't happy.
"I was on the net before 9:00 and the cheapest tickets were £326," Ross Hatt told the BBC. "I couldn't pay that amount. Am gutted!"

31 Oct 2012

I'm afraid I think the MP is correct.
Think of it this way. We have adverts across all media formats telling us one supermarket is cheaper than another, one gas supplier is cheaper than another, one electrical store is cheaper than another, one garage is cheaper than another etc etc .
Surely that's the point isn't it? Freedom of choice?
Would you rather pay £100 for an MOT or £25? Would you rather pay £40 for a cinema ticket or £5? Would you rather pay £500 for a mobile phone or 50p?
If people are unhappy with the cost of football matches these days then they have the freedom of choice to go elsewhere, or not go at all.

Quote by MidsCouple24
does a bear shit in the woods ?

Polar bears and Gobi bears don't.

1 Nov 2012

Quote by Trevaunance
I'm afraid I think the MP is correct.
Think of it this way. We have adverts across all media formats telling us one supermarket is cheaper than another, one gas supplier is cheaper than another, one electrical store is cheaper than another, one garage is cheaper than another etc etc .
Surely that's the point isn't it? Freedom of choice?
Would you rather pay £100 for an MOT or £25? Would you rather pay £40 for a cinema ticket or £5? Would you rather pay £500 for a mobile phone or 50p?
If people are unhappy with the cost of football matches these days then they have the freedom of choice to go elsewhere, or not go at all.
does a bear shit in the woods ?

Polar bears and Gobi bears don't.
That is a fair argument in much of the retail market but sport is not about the cheapest deal for fans, do you honestly think that if the entrance fee to the City ground was a third of the cost of entering the United ground the Utd fans would change thier allegience ? Everton supporters go to support Liverpool, all the London Fans just support the cheapest club. nice idea but a pipe dream, and even if they did they wouldn't get in the ground, they all have a maximum capacity and most are full every match.
And as I said if fans went to the Sale FC ground this Saturday only a few hundred would get in the ground and 69,000 would be milling around outside, the proposal is ridiculous and just shows the idiocy of some MPs which is my point.
It is one thing for 70,000 Asda customers to head off to Tesco it is a whole different "ball game" no pun intended for sports fans to do it.

1 Nov 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
That is a fair argument in much of the retail market but sport is not about the cheapest deal for fans,

I agree. I have been a fan of my local football team since I was 9 and have held a season ticket for most of those years. I fiercely support them through thick and thin and dearly hope our neighboring teams go down whilst we go up. But not all fans are 'die hards' and many football fans have never actually attended a match featuring their local team.

Quote by MidsCouple24
do you honestly think that if the entrance fee to the City ground was a third of the cost of entering the United ground the Utd fans would change thier allegience? Everton supporters go to support Liverpool, all the London Fans just support the cheapest club.

No I don't. But I do wonder how many of those fans have ever bought a shirt or attended a match.
I further wonder how many of those fans are local to those clubs.

Quote by MidsCouple24
nice idea but a pipe dream, and even if they did they wouldn't get in the ground, they all have a maximum capacity and most are full every match.

Really? You think that all the non premiership football clubs across the country have full grounds every week?
Perhaps you'd like to pick five clubs, excepting premiership and league one teams, out of the 7000 clubs in the 480 divisions of English football that have full grounds each and every week?
The reality is that most teams are scraping by, relative to their own footballing level.

Quote by MidsCouple24
And as I said if fans went to the Sale FC ground this Saturday only a few hundred would get in the ground and 69,000 would be milling around outside, the proposal is ridiculous and just shows the idiocy of some MPs which is my point.

In my experience sale fc are a rugby club and therefore 70,000 football fans are not normally able or wanting to get in the ground at anytime. I wait to be corrected.
I would also question how you can call into question the

Quote by MidsCouple24
idiocy of some MPs

when as far as I can determine, Only one MP has suggested the actions aforementioned.

Quote by MidsCouple24
It is one thing for 70,000 Asda customers to head off to Tesco it is a whole different "ball game" no pun intended for sports fans to do it.

Really? are you suggesting that the British public of 60 million cares less about where they spend money on beans than where a small percentage spend there money on their own chosen leisure?

1 Nov 2012

Quote by Trevaunance
That is a fair argument in much of the retail market but sport is not about the cheapest deal for fans,

I agree. I have been a fan of my local football team since I was 9 and have held a season ticket for most of those years. I fiercely support them through thick and thin and dearly hope our neighboring teams go down whilst we go up. But not all fans are 'die hards' and many football fans have never actually attended a match featuring their local team.

Quote by MidsCouple24
do you honestly think that if the entrance fee to the City ground was a third of the cost of entering the United ground the Utd fans would change thier allegience? Everton supporters go to support Liverpool, all the London Fans just support the cheapest club.

No I don't. But I do wonder how many of those fans have ever bought a shirt or attended a match.
Well probably the 70,000 that are at the ground but not the other hundreds of thousands around the world who are fans (but not supporters of MUFC)
I further wonder how many of those fans are local to those clubs.
Imaterial if they are at the ground, the further they travel the more it emphasises loyalty

Quote by MidsCouple24
nice idea but a pipe dream, and even if they did they wouldn't get in the ground, they all have a maximum capacity and most are full every match.

Really? You think that all the non premiership football clubs across the country have full grounds every week?
I guess as an MUFC supporter I am lucky that our ground and the grounds we play at are usually full but your right I dont know about the other clubs
Perhaps you'd like to pick five clubs, excepting premiership and league one teams, out of the 7000 clubs in the 480 divisions of English football that have full grounds each and every week?
See above
The reality is that most teams are scraping by, relative to their own footballing level.

Quote by MidsCouple24
And as I said if fans went to the Sale FC ground this Saturday only a few hundred would get in the ground and 69,000 would be milling around outside, the proposal is ridiculous and just shows the idiocy of some MPs which is my point.

In my experience sale fc are a rugby club and therefore 70,000 football fans are not normally able or wanting to get in the ground at anytime. I wait to be corrected.
Hey my point was about non-league clubs I just picked a place in Manchester that people would know I didn't think it was important to name a small non-league club
I would also question how you can call into question the

Quote by MidsCouple24
idiocy of some MPs

when as far as I can determine, Only one MP has suggested the actions aforementioned.
Yes this one about football prices, the last one was telling us to store petrol in our homes or garages (illegal and dangerous) and people could probably find a multitude of other "gaffs" from people that are supposed to be the best available at solving our problems not creating them

Quote by MidsCouple24
It is one thing for 70,000 Asda customers to head off to Tesco it is a whole different "ball game" no pun intended for sports fans to do it.

Really? are you suggesting that the British public of 60 million cares less about where they spend money on beans than where a small percentage spend there money on their own chosen leisure?
No, read it again, I am saying the British public of 60 million cares MORE about where they spend money on beans than where a small percentage spend their money their own chosen leisure, I am saying they might change supermarkets soley because of price but they won't be so quick to change their allegiance to a specific team or sportsperson.

2 Nov 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
Yes this one about football prices, the last one was telling us to store petrol in our homes or garages (illegal and dangerous) and people could probably find a multitude of other "gaffs" from people that are supposed to be the best available at solving our problems not creating them

I would argue that in most cases an MP isn't the best available; There are probably a great deal more capable people who never ran for office.
But you seem to be suggesting that an MP must be an expert in everything. The simple fact is that they are not, they are fallible just like the rest of us. Remember, you don't have to follow their every word.

Quote by MidsCouple24
No, read it again, I am saying the British public of 60 million cares MORE about where they spend money on beans than where a small percentage spend their money their own chosen leisure, I am saying they might change supermarkets soley because of price but they won't be so quick to change their allegiance to a specific team or sportsperson.

I think a fantastic example here is AFC Wimbledon. From Wiki as I cant be bothered to type it all out:
'The club was founded in 2002 as a result of Wimbledon F.C.'s relocation to Milton Keynes in Buckinghamshire; Wimbledon F.C. was subsequently renamed Milton Keynes Dons. The Wimbledon supporters who strongly opposed this move reacted by founding their own club, AFC Wimbledon. In view of its transplanting to Milton Keynes, a large majority of Wimbledon fans felt that the original club no longer represented Wimbledon's legacy and traditions, and thus withdrew their support, choosing instead to start a new so-called "phoenix club" from scratch'
They entered the football pyramid at the ninth level and gained five promotions within 9 years and are currently in the league immediately below the original club.
Although the root cause may be different, the fact remains that fans can go elsewhere if they are unhappy, and once again, I see nothing wrong with pointing that out.

4 Nov 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
Yes this one about football prices, the last one was telling us to store petrol in our homes or garages (illegal and dangerous) and people could probably find a multitude of other "gaffs" from people that are supposed to be the best available at solving our problems not creating them

Wasn't his statement "store a bit of extra fuel in a jerry can in the garage"? Maybe a poor choice of words, but what was his intention and advice? I cannot read into this that he advocates that you make your house into a petrol bomb nor did he advise a bright, educated woman and daughter to take petrol into a kitchen and decant it. They took that decision and paid the price for their stupidity. I have sympathy for them and wish them full recovery, but it was their stupid action and they were not following the MPs advice as they had stored it for years in the garage for their lawn-mower.
Dave_Notts

4 Nov 2012

I think fireman are in danger enough without half the population having 5 gallons of petrol in their garages, have you seen what happens when a jerry can gets overheated ?
They are firemen not bomb disposal. An idiot knows that if you tell people "you need to store 5 gallons of fuel" so, so many will think "hmmmm 40 gallons" and how far would 5 gallons get people in a fuel crisis ?