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The government today has took over the running of Doncaster council after its new English Democrat Mayor has pathetically failed to serve its locals.
Is this a clear indication that the single agenda parties i.e BNP,English Democrats,UkIP are all just a bunch of loud mouth bragerdocious with no mandate to serve this great nation with decency and respect it deserves?!
I think a lot of Tory or Labour councils are not fit for purpose either.
There is a place for all political parties, unless such time comes when a party does not get a single vote. Only then will they no longer be viable.
Doncaster council are like many councils,not fit for purpose....but then I am not a lover of any council for reasons I have given many times.
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I think a lot of Tory or Labour councils are not fit for purpose either.
There is a place for all political parties, unless such time comes when a party does not get a single vote. Only then will they no longer be viable.
Doncaster council are like many councils,not fit for purpose....but then I am not a lover of any council for reasons I have given many times.

Please dont assume that have read your previous opinions of any other councils..i haven' for the government to step in shows a totally collapse of command from Mr Davies.I hate to think what would happen if such parties ever take control of the country!!
Government have been stepping in to save failing schools as well for years...so nothing new really.
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Government have been stepping in to save failing schools as well for years...so nothing new really.

Not only schools this fella has personally failed Doncaster council due to his arrogant attitude and controversial views of running a local govt.I would dread to have a member of these bully parties represent me!!
You have already.............Gordon Brown. lol
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You have already.............Gordon Brown. lol

Budum tsh!!
"I'm here all week, try the veal, it's wonderful"
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You have already.............Gordon Brown. lol

Thats a matter of opinion,i too think that Oxford graduate twit will make the worst bully
The title of the thread referred to minority parties being fit for purpose. I would say NO.
Re local government as a whole - well that really is another story and a very long one!
Plim :sad:
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Government have been stepping in to save failing schools as well for years...so nothing new really.

how are these comparable,an organisation has bad management,so the regulatory body,ofsted,not the government step in.
A council is responsible for a number of vital services,which in this cae have necessitated intervention on a far greater scale
Wrong and wrong again.
" Unlike local authorities, the Secretary of State has the power to direct a local authority to enter into an arrangement to obtain advisory services for schools that have failed an Ofsted inspection.
* this power exists when the Secretary of State feels that the authority has been, or will be, ineffective in improving the school's performance, or where there are a disproportionately large number of schools requiring intervention from one local authority.
The Secretary of State also has the power to intervene directly in the running of a local authority, if s/he considers that there have been bad judgments made in relation to the provision of children's services".
So what is being suggested here?
That the Govt step in, or take control completely, of everywhere?
If people moan about Central Govt interfering, why would you want them to have centrally controlled total mandate?
lp
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So what is being suggested here?
That the Govt step in, or take control completely, of everywhere?
If people moan about Central Govt interfering, why would you want them to have centrally controlled total mandate?
lp

Err well someone stepped in cos we had a 'good for nothing' Mayor who failed Doncaster at all levels of local governance
Quote by kentswingers777
Government have been stepping in to save failing schools as well for years...so nothing new really.

how are these comparable,an organisation has bad management,so the regulatory body,ofsted,not the government step in.
A council is responsible for a number of vital services,which in this cae have necessitated intervention on a far greater scale
Wrong and wrong again.
" Unlike local authorities, the Secretary of State has the power to direct a local authority to enter into an arrangement to obtain advisory services for schools that have failed an Ofsted inspection.
* this power exists when the Secretary of State feels that the authority has been, or will be, ineffective in improving the school's performance, or where there are a disproportionately large number of schools requiring intervention from one local authority.
The Secretary of State also has the power to intervene directly in the running of a local authority, if s/he considers that there have been bad judgments made in relation to the provision of children's services".
innocent:whistling::whistling:
Most minority parties are fit for the purpose they're designed for,i.e. single issue politics.....as far as government or council leadership goes they are probably a bad choice as for the most part they haven't thought past the issue they were formed to address
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Most minority parties are fit for the purpose they're designed for,i.e. single issue politics.....as far as government or council leadership goes they are probably a bad choice as for the most part they haven't thought past the issue they were formed to address

Well said
Quote by kentswingers777
Government have been stepping in to save failing schools as well for years...so nothing new really.

how are these comparable,an organisation has bad management,so the regulatory body,ofsted,not the government step in.
A council is responsible for a number of vital services,which in this cae have necessitated intervention on a far greater scale
Wrong and wrong again.
" Unlike local authorities, the Secretary of State has the power to direct a local authority to enter into an arrangement to obtain advisory services for schools that have failed an Ofsted inspection.
* this power exists when the Secretary of State feels that the authority has been, or will be, ineffective in improving the school's performance, or where there are a disproportionately large number of schools requiring intervention from one local authority.
The Secretary of State also has the power to intervene directly in the running of a local authority, if s/he considers that there have been bad judgments made in relation to the provision of children's services".
That's a local authority (responsible for many schools), not an individual failing school.
I love this thread.
The Mayor of Doncaster has failed. He is an utter and complete prick, as well as a homophobe and borderline racist. He promised to fix Doncaster council, but he has utterly failed. He is also proof that single issue parties are a waste of space, and that protest voting is a waste of time - but then seveal elected mayors prove that, including the moron of Middlesbrough and H'ANgus the monkey in Hartlepool.
However, the Doncaster Donkey isn't the reason why Doncaster council is fucked, and if Kenty could do more than cut and paste non sequiturs he'd have deployed a more nuanced argument that referenced the role of previous independent mayors, the previous Labour Mayor who went independent, and the cultural legacy of Donnygate which meant there is, and has been for ten years, no credible leadership group in Doncaster. Civic society in Doncaster has been in terminal decline since the end of he miners strike, and what we're seeing now is its death throes. It may take a while to fix it.
What Kenty must hate though, is that these interventions do happen, and prove, by happening, how many councils don't need such interventions. That's the elephant in Kenty's room that he's desperate to ignore.
Quote by Kaznkev
Government have been stepping in to save failing schools as well for years...so nothing new really.

how are these comparable,an organisation has bad management,so the regulatory body,ofsted,not the government step in.
A council is responsible for a number of vital services,which in this cae have necessitated intervention on a far greater scale
Wrong and wrong again.
" Unlike local authorities, the Secretary of State has the power to direct a local authority to enter into an arrangement to obtain advisory services for schools that have failed an Ofsted inspection.
* this power exists when the Secretary of State feels that the authority has been, or will be, ineffective in improving the school's performance, or where there are a disproportionately large number of schools requiring intervention from one local authority.
The Secretary of State also has the power to intervene directly in the running of a local authority, if s/he considers that there have been bad judgments made in relation to the provision of children's services".
not sure why you googled the rules on local authorities to argue against my point that there are different levels of regulation.
You do understand the difference between one school and an lea dont you?
oh and i saw your whistle,unlike a "hard working" buisness man i have important things to do.Perhaps if you spent less time on the net and more time in the real worldyou might see what a wonderful, tolerant ,multicultral,well educated,healthy,country you live in,instead of running it down all the time
But then i am patriotic 365 days of the year,not one
Hark at the kettle.....What a thing to say by someone who spends 22 hours on it!
Also you really should be in Labours election team....they believe all that bollox too.
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I love this thread.
The Mayor of Doncaster has failed. He is an utter and complete prick, as well as a homophobe and borderline racist. He promised to fix Doncaster council, but he has utterly failed. He is also proof that single issue parties are a waste of space, and that protest voting is a waste of time - but then seveal elected mayors prove that, including the moron of Middlesbrough and H'ANgus the monkey in Hartlepool.
However, the Doncaster Donkey isn't the reason why Doncaster council is fucked, and if Kenty could do more than cut and paste non sequiturs he'd have deployed a more nuanced argument that referenced the role of previous independent mayors, the previous Labour Mayor who went independent, and the cultural legacy of Donnygate which meant there is, and has been for ten years, no credible leadership group in Doncaster. Civic society in Doncaster has been in terminal decline since the end of he miners strike, and what we're seeing now is its death throes. It may take a while to fix it.
What Kenty must hate though, is that these interventions do happen, and prove, by happening, how many councils don't need such interventions. That's the elephant in Kenty's room that he's desperate to ignore.

Coming from someone who has " buddies " in councils, you would say that.
No Elephant in my room at all.....you want to get rid of your one then?
Quote by Kaznkev
Government have been stepping in to save failing schools as well for years...so nothing new really.

how are these comparable,an organisation has bad management,so the regulatory body,ofsted,not the government step in.
A council is responsible for a number of vital services,which in this cae have necessitated intervention on a far greater scale
Wrong and wrong again.
" Unlike local authorities, the Secretary of State has the power to direct a local authority to enter into an arrangement to obtain advisory services for schools that have failed an Ofsted inspection.
* this power exists when the Secretary of State feels that the authority has been, or will be, ineffective in improving the school's performance, or where there are a disproportionately large number of schools requiring intervention from one local authority.
The Secretary of State also has the power to intervene directly in the running of a local authority, if s/he considers that there have been bad judgments made in relation to the provision of children's services".
not sure why you googled the rules on local authorities to argue against my point that there are different levels of regulation.
You do understand the difference between one school and an lea dont you?
oh and i saw your whistle,unlike a "hard working" buisness man i have important things to do.Perhaps if you spent less time on the net and more time in the real worldyou might see what a wonderful, tolerant ,multicultral,well educated,healthy,country you live in,instead of running it down all the time
But then i am patriotic 365 days of the year,not one
Hark at the kettle.....What a thing to say by someone who spends 22 hours on it!
Also you really should be in Labours election team....they believe all that bollox too.
:confused2:
i pop in read a post at various times of the day,how that adds up to 22 hours i dont know,if u are referring to the time i posted,i apologise for not keeping hours you consider suitable,no doubt you would have me medicate my son so we kept to conventional bedtimes.
loving my country might be bollox to you, its a fact for me
Oh dear....
Firstly I was responding as you well know to your comment insinuating I spend too much time on the net sweetie.
I never noticed what time you posted, my comment was merely that you seem to spend a few on here yourself.
Suitable hours? What's that all about?
The loving your country bit I cannot understand that one at all. The " tolerant ,multicultural,well educated,healthy,country you live in " comment I do not necessarily agree with.
But that is my feelings on the matter sweetie.
You make it seem that GB is this wonderful land where the birds sing, and the roses bloom and everything is alright with the world. That as I already stated is a Labour election strategy to fool people.
Well he won't be fooling too many for much longer.
Also I do spend a lot of time in the " real world " as you so aptly put it. I get up every morning to try and insure that my staff have work for the day.I also chat to real people not ones on the net who have similar thoughts to mine....how dreadful eh?
Still my big decision today was what new van to buy? Still made a good decision and brought a nice new shiny red one to match the companies logo....has air con too. wink
Kent do u think your van money might have been more wisely spent on the services of a proof reader?
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Kent do u think your van money might have been more wisely spent on the services of a proof reader?

Care to enlighten me as to what you mean?
I think everything was spelt correctly, maybe I put a comma in the wrong place?
Anyway IF there is something wrong there, then please can you tell me? Then I can tell you your errors when posting....only fair.
Any chance we can stick to the topic,please keep your personal life to yourself or post them at Cafe forum thanks!!! wink
Quote by kentswingers777
I love this thread.
The Mayor of Doncaster has failed. He is an utter and complete prick, as well as a homophobe and borderline racist. He promised to fix Doncaster council, but he has utterly failed. He is also proof that single issue parties are a waste of space, and that protest voting is a waste of time - but then seveal elected mayors prove that, including the moron of Middlesbrough and H'ANgus the monkey in Hartlepool.
However, the Doncaster Donkey isn't the reason why Doncaster council is fucked, and if Kenty could do more than cut and paste non sequiturs he'd have deployed a more nuanced argument that referenced the role of previous independent mayors, the previous Labour Mayor who went independent, and the cultural legacy of Donnygate which meant there is, and has been for ten years, no credible leadership group in Doncaster. Civic society in Doncaster has been in terminal decline since the end of he miners strike, and what we're seeing now is its death throes. It may take a while to fix it.
What Kenty must hate though, is that these interventions do happen, and prove, by happening, how many councils don't need such interventions. That's the elephant in Kenty's room that he's desperate to ignore.

Coming from someone who has " buddies " in councils, you would say that.
No Elephant in my room at all.....you want to get rid of your one then?
Dodging the substantive point again are we Kenty? Well done old son....
insure doesnt mean making sure that word is ensure.
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Kentswingers777: This is not the first time today that I have read some of your posts and felt that there may need to be some intervention, it just happens to be this thread that I've decided to comment on.
While everyone is entitled to their own opinion and has the ability to express it (within reason), with your posts I feel that you go beyond that and into the of a and by doing so your posts become (intended or likely to cause anger or hate).
This is considered to be a form of and harassment is against the sites AUP and T&C.
For a man who has previously commented that he feels as though there may be a permanent ban imminent, this seems like very a very fool-hardy way to conduct yourself and I would advise you to bear this in mind when constructing your posts in any area of the site from now on.
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*Mod comment*
Kentswingers777: This is not the first time today that I have read some of your posts and felt that there may need to be some intervention, it just happens to be this thread that I've decided to comment on.
While everyone is entitled to their own opinion and has the ability to express it (within reason), with your posts I feel that you go beyond that and into the haranguings of a zealot and by doing so your posts become inflammatory (intended or likely to cause anger or hate).
This is considered to be a form of harassment and harassment is against the sites AUP and T&C.
For a man who has previously commented that he feels as though there may be a permanent ban imminent, this seems like very a very fool-hardy way to conduct yourself and I would advise you to bear this in mind when constructing your posts in any area of the site from now on.
Awayman: Ben_welshminx: Please refrain from making personal comments about other members. Debate your points and not members conduct.

I am always happy to comply with the AUP etc; I'm not sure I know where I went wrong in this thread, but I'll try and play nicely.
Apart from Green party the rest left with nothing what a waste of money and resources,ban them all i say.
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Apart from Green party the rest left with nothing what a waste of money and resources,ban them all i say.

Hang on, the BNP have contributed £130,000 in lost deposits to the cost of running elections this tie round; where I live two constituencies raked in at least £2K apiece in lost deposits for BNP, UKIP, English Democrats, the Christian Party and sundry other fuckwits. Given that the costs of fringe candidates are marginal you may as well encourage them and see their lost deposits as a tax on bigotry, stupidity and general bollock brainedness.