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I know another snip from a daily rag but....it seems these figures are quite accurate, and I for one think that violence and violent people are more rife now than ever.

I did not need figures to know that up and down the country on a Friday and Saturday evening, ferel drunken yobs, rule the streets.
I would think most people think it is much more violent out there now than ever. Is it the drink or are there more underlying problems than just drink?
The police do a difficult enough job, but the weekends must be a constant barrage of pub fights and drink related crime.
Are these figures near to the truth, or is crime no worse than say 30 years ago?
Is violence up, has the official descriptions of violence massaged the figures (for instance the charge of aggravated burglary) or is there more media, which is now more accessible?
A quote from the article sums it up for me.
"The figures, compiled by the Tories, are considered the most accurate and up-to-date available."
.......who considers them such I wonder.
Quote by kentswingers777
I know another snip from a daily rag but....it seems these figures are quite accurate, and I for one think that violence and violent people are more rife now than ever.

I did not need figures to know that up and down the country on a Friday and Saturday evening, ferel drunken yobs, rule the streets.
I would think most people think it is much more violent out there now than ever. Is it the drink or are there more underlying problems than just drink?
The police do a difficult enough job, but the weekends must be a constant barrage of pub fights and drink related crime.
Are these figures near to the truth, or is crime no worse than say 30 years ago?

Rule the streets??
your words are just as over dramatic as the papers you read!
Quote by Mr-Powers
I know another snip from a daily rag but....it seems these figures are quite accurate, and I for one think that violence and violent people are more rife now than ever.

I did not need figures to know that up and down the country on a Friday and Saturday evening, ferel drunken yobs, rule the streets.
I would think most people think it is much more violent out there now than ever. Is it the drink or are there more underlying problems than just drink?
The police do a difficult enough job, but the weekends must be a constant barrage of pub fights and drink related crime.
Are these figures near to the truth, or is crime no worse than say 30 years ago?

Rule the streets??
your words are just as over dramatic as the papers you read!
I do not know where you go of a weekend but go into any town centre after midnight.
This little artical came from the Times of all papers. There are loads of articals about this if you Google it from all kinds of sources.

Are you really saying that town centres are not almost no go areas to the general publc after midnight?
I wonder if your good lady wife would walk home on her own through your local busy high street, at 2 in the morning when the drunken thugs come out of the clubs.
Quote by Mr-Powers
I know another snip from a daily rag but....it seems these figures are quite accurate, and I for one think that violence and violent people are more rife now than ever.

I did not need figures to know that up and down the country on a Friday and Saturday evening, ferel drunken yobs, rule the streets.
I would think most people think it is much more violent out there now than ever. Is it the drink or are there more underlying problems than just drink?
The police do a difficult enough job, but the weekends must be a constant barrage of pub fights and drink related crime.
Are these figures near to the truth, or is crime no worse than say 30 years ago?

Rule the streets??
your words are just as over dramatic as the papers you read!
Depends where you are...
30 years ago there were areas where the Police needed to go "mob-handed" to restore/maintain order or "lift" suspects.
As the yanks say, SSDD (same shit, different day) it's just that there seem to be more "no-go" areas these days.
Quote by kentswingers777
I know another snip from a daily rag but....it seems these figures are quite accurate, and I for one think that violence and violent people are more rife now than ever.

I did not need figures to know that up and down the country on a Friday and Saturday evening, ferel drunken yobs, rule the streets.
I would think most people think it is much more violent out there now than ever. Is it the drink or are there more underlying problems than just drink?
The police do a difficult enough job, but the weekends must be a constant barrage of pub fights and drink related crime.
Are these figures near to the truth, or is crime no worse than say 30 years ago?

Rule the streets??
your words are just as over dramatic as the papers you read!
I do not know where you go of a weekend but go into any town centre after midnight.
any town centre??
I've been out on a friday or Saturday night many times and in quite a few town centres...and obviously i have seen quite a few pissed up people...i have not seen ferel drunken yobs ruling the streets though.
Quote by Mr-Powers
I know another snip from a daily rag but....it seems these figures are quite accurate, and I for one think that violence and violent people are more rife now than ever.

I did not need figures to know that up and down the country on a Friday and Saturday evening, ferel drunken yobs, rule the streets.
I would think most people think it is much more violent out there now than ever. Is it the drink or are there more underlying problems than just drink?
The police do a difficult enough job, but the weekends must be a constant barrage of pub fights and drink related crime.
Are these figures near to the truth, or is crime no worse than say 30 years ago?

Rule the streets??
your words are just as over dramatic as the papers you read!
I do not know where you go of a weekend but go into any town centre after midnight.
any town centre??
I've been out on a friday or Saturday night many times and in quite a few town centres...and obviously i have seen quite a few pissed up people...i have not seen ferel drunken yobs ruling the streets though.
You obviously live in a posh part of town then.
IF you REALLY REALLY want me to Google this, and come up with areas that are this bad, I can but....think you are just being arguementative for the sheer sake of it. Par for the course really. wink
Quote by kentswingers777
I know another snip from a daily rag but....it seems these figures are quite accurate, and I for one think that violence and violent people are more rife now than ever.

I did not need figures to know that up and down the country on a Friday and Saturday evening, ferel drunken yobs, rule the streets.
I would think most people think it is much more violent out there now than ever. Is it the drink or are there more underlying problems than just drink?
The police do a difficult enough job, but the weekends must be a constant barrage of pub fights and drink related crime.
Are these figures near to the truth, or is crime no worse than say 30 years ago?

Rule the streets??
your words are just as over dramatic as the papers you read!
I do not know where you go of a weekend but go into any town centre after midnight.
any town centre??
I've been out on a friday or Saturday night many times and in quite a few town centres...and obviously i have seen quite a few pissed up people...i have not seen ferel drunken yobs ruling the streets though.
You obviously live in a posh part of town then.
IF you REALLY REALLY want me to Google this, and come up with areas that are this bad, I can but....think you are just being arguementative for the sheer sake of it. Par for the course really. wink
yes i really really want you to google it!
at least show me evidence that ferel yobs rules the streets of every town centre on a friday and saturday night.
Oh look here. I found this one in two nano seconds of searching.

There are hundreds of such articals.
I have a mate who is a copper in a Kent town, Medway actually, and I listen to someone like him who REALLY knows what it is like out there first hand.
Someone who has to deal with the drunken yobs, the ferel attitudes and the violence on a daily basis but....he states " going on a shift at a weekend, is like going into a jungle ".
Bexleyheath is a lovely city centre near to where I live but after 11 on a weekend it turns into a area where drunken youths cause mayhem.
Fights galore, pissing in the streets, causing the Police all sorts of problems. People that I know would not walk in that city centre on those nights, including me. That is just our nearest centre, all around us this is happening, still you obviously need a bit more guidance on this. wink
Quote by kentswingers777
Oh look here. I found this one in two nano seconds of searching.

There are hundreds of such articals.
I have a mate who is a copper in a Kent town, Medway actually, and I listen to someone like him who REALLY knows what it is like out there first hand.
Someone who has to deal with the drunken yobs, the ferel attitudes and the violence on a daily basis but....he states " going on a shift at a weekend, is like going into a jungle ".
Bexleyheath is a lovely city centre near to where I live but after 11 on a weekend it turns into a area where drunken youths cause mayhem.
Fights galore, pissing in the streets, causing the Police all sorts of problems. People that I know would not walk in that city centre on those nights, including me. That is just our nearest centre, all around us this is happening, still you obviously need a bit more guidance on this. wink

i've been out in Bexleyheath on many occasions on a saturday night have never ever come across any trouble,thats not saying i have not seen people pissed and possibly arguing and fighting...but i've never feared for my life due to ferel yobs roaming the streets.
Tell you what. If I catch another cat shitting on my lawn there will be a sudden increase in violence in its immediate vicinity!!!!!!!!
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Tell you what. If I catch another cat shitting on my lawn there will be a sudden increase in violence in its immediate vicinity!!!!!!!!

Think you are in the wrong thread. lol
Quote by Mr-Powers
Oh look here. I found this one in two nano seconds of searching.

There are hundreds of such articals.
I have a mate who is a copper in a Kent town, Medway actually, and I listen to someone like him who REALLY knows what it is like out there first hand.
Someone who has to deal with the drunken yobs, the ferel attitudes and the violence on a daily basis but....he states " going on a shift at a weekend, is like going into a jungle ".
Bexleyheath is a lovely city centre near to where I live but after 11 on a weekend it turns into a area where drunken youths cause mayhem.
Fights galore, pissing in the streets, causing the Police all sorts of problems. People that I know would not walk in that city centre on those nights, including me. That is just our nearest centre, all around us this is happening, still you obviously need a bit more guidance on this. wink

i've been out in Bexleyheath on many occasions on a saturday night have never ever come across any trouble,thats not saying i have not seen people pissed and possibly arguing and fighting...but i've never feared for my life due to ferel yobs roaming the streets.
Your words....not mine.
So as you know Bexleyheath soooo well, would your mrs fancy walking through there after midnight?
As I know two drinking establishment owners, they will tell some horror stories, one of which only happened five weeks ago, with nearly 60 people fighting along the high street. That included girls trying to bottle people.
Or forget about drinking problems....as you have been to Bexleyheath, go there by the clock tower at about 3 pm. There you will find 20 odd police officers there, keeping gangs of kids apart. This is a daily thing too.
The shopkeepers have felt in danger " of their lives ", their words in our local News shopper, many times. And these thugs had not even been drinking. They are the future Boozy yobs.
Quote by kentswingers777
Oh look here. I found this one in two nano seconds of searching.

There are hundreds of such articals.
I have a mate who is a copper in a Kent town, Medway actually, and I listen to someone like him who REALLY knows what it is like out there first hand.
Someone who has to deal with the drunken yobs, the ferel attitudes and the violence on a daily basis but....he states " going on a shift at a weekend, is like going into a jungle ".
Bexleyheath is a lovely city centre near to where I live but after 11 on a weekend it turns into a area where drunken youths cause mayhem.
Fights galore, pissing in the streets, causing the Police all sorts of problems. People that I know would not walk in that city centre on those nights, including me. That is just our nearest centre, all around us this is happening, still you obviously need a bit more guidance on this. wink

i've been out in Bexleyheath on many occasions on a saturday night have never ever come across any trouble,thats not saying i have not seen people pissed and possibly arguing and fighting...but i've never feared for my life due to ferel yobs roaming the streets.
Your words....not mine.
So as you know Bexleyheath soooo well, would your mrs fancy walking through there after midnight?
As I know two drinking establishment owners, they will tell some horror stories, one of which only happened five weeks ago, with nearly 60 people fighting along the high street. That included girls trying to bottle people.
Or forget about drinking problems....as you have been to Bexleyheath, go there by the clock tower at about 3 pm. There you will find 20 odd police officers there, keeping gangs of kids apart. This is a daily thing too.
The shopkeepers have felt in danger " of their lives ", their words in our local News shopper, many times. And these thugs had not even been drinking. They are the future Boozy yobs.
i wouldn't expect my wife or any woman to walk alone anywhere late at night...even if it was Park Lane,thats common sense,you make out that Bexleyheath and every other town centre is a no go area after a certain time,well i think you wrong.
Then why not let your wife out if it is safe as you make out it is??
Because you know it is not.
Quote by kentswingers777
Then why not let your wife out if it is safe as you make out it is??

She isn't a battery hen!
Quote by kentswingers777
Then why not let your wife out if it is safe as you make out it is??
Because you know it is not.

Where does it say i don't,my wife has gone out loads of time without me on a Saturday night with her friends,and in dodgier areas than Bexleyheath...the point is why should what you call "ferel youths ruling the streets"...which she or myself have never seen,stop her from going out into town to have a good night!
Well obviously the experts are wrong on this.
There is no problem at all in any town centre, they are safe to walk in. There are no drunks or no fights, and the police are telling lies.
Understand completly now....cheers. wink
I'm sorry to digress here. But am I the only woman on here offended by the thought that a someone gets to dictate where a I go cos A) they are male and B) they share my life?
I realise I am not the wife in question. But really! Is there an assumption here that a wife is suddenly incapable of making decisions about where to go wothout their husband's input?
If anyone I was related to said "I don't want you going down there" I would give them the sharp edge of my tongue. It doesn't sound like caring it sounds like control.
It's in the same bracket as "no wife of mine will - - - - - - ".
I think you have completly missunderstood the comment Foxy...I hope.
If I thought it was unsafe for Mrs777 to go somewhere, I would express concerns.
That is NOT control, it is called concern for someone you care about.
Why take something obviously so innocent, into some feminist thing?
Sorry but that is how that came across.
i watched a programe on the nhs uncovered ,or somthing like that,and it focused on alcohol fulled incidents.
ive also watched police programmes shwoing the levels of violence on teh streets at night from drunken yobs ( male and female)
ive also witnessed the drunken yobs.
yes ok maybe some people feel more confident walking out at club kick out time.
i am a confident person, but im not bloody stupid.
there are loads more fucking idiots who after a few drinks dont give a dam what they do, they are more agressive. they gob off at anyone who even look sat them wrong. they kick cars on passing and this is the adults.
then you get the 12-18 year olds who are pissed up and out to show off.
a few years ago i would be aware of my personal safety regarding attacks from men towards women,but now there is a higher risk of being caught up in violence when out and its random and not just men who are the violent ones.
i live in cornwall, but i have lived in citys. the violence isnt discrimatory to large rough towns, its happening even in small places.
to say there is none would be blind or maybe your the drunk who people are wary of?
xx fem xx
Quote by essex34m
Then why not let your wife out if it is safe as you make out it is??

She isn't a battery hen!
Thank feck... I was sat here open mouthed at the chauvinism!
I tell you what, if being a 'wife' means being told when and where I can go out at night then I am thankful I am single rolleyes
kiss to Essex for being a decent bloke!
Quote by foxylady2209
I'm sorry to digress here. But am I the only woman on here offended by the thought that a someone gets to dictate where a I go cos A) they are male and B) they share my life?
I realise I am not the wife in question. But really! Is there an assumption here that a wife is suddenly incapable of making decisions about where to go wothout their husband's input?
If anyone I was related to said "I don't want you going down there" I would give them the sharp edge of my tongue. It doesn't sound like caring it sounds like control.
It's in the same bracket as "no wife of mine will - - - - - - ".

:thumbup: And no Kent, we're not 'making this a feminist issue' or whatever criticism you levelled at foxylady. Your comments do appear wildly chauvinistic and controlling.
I thought exactly the same as foxylady.
Quote by kentswingers777
I think you have completly missunderstood the comment Foxy...I hope.
If I thought it was unsafe for Mrs777 to go somewhere, I would express concerns.
That is NOT control, it is called concern for someone you care about.
Why take something obviously so innocent, into some feminist thing?
Sorry but that is how that came across.

Then surely, showing concern would be along the lines of "if its a reasonable time, call me, and I will pick you up, if not, here is some money, make sure you get a taxi."
Trust goes a long way.
It was this that was the problem.
"I wouldn't expect my wife or any woman to walk alone anywhere late at night."
The equivalent of "I wouldn't expect my wife to - - -" is "I expect my wife NOT to - - -".
So what is she supposed to do if she wants to go somewhere? Get a man to chaperone her?
It may be a good idea for her to be familiar with self-defence and be 'street-wise' but seriously? It comes across as if you think women are not safe unless they are escorted by men. The assumptions of female weakness and male strength are staggering.
There was a call in the '80s to take back the streets - rallies and placards and everything - I didn't join in. I had never given up the streets. And that includes 3 years in Coventry living in the shadow of the old football ground.
No-one, NO-ONE, husband, yoof, gangsta or otherwise tells me which streets I can use and when.
Quote by foxylady2209
It was this that was the problem.
"I wouldn't expect my wife or any woman to walk alone anywhere late at night."
The equivalent of "I wouldn't expect my wife to - - -" is "I expect my wife NOT to - - -".
So what is she supposed to do if she wants to go somewhere? Get a man to chaperone her?
It may be a good idea for her to be familiar with self-defence and be 'street-wise' but seriously? It comes across as if you think women are not safe unless they are escorted by men. The assumptions of female weakness and male strength are staggering.
There was a call in the '80s to take back the streets - rallies and placards and everything - I didn't join in. I had never given up the streets. And that includes 3 years in Coventry living in the shadow of the old football ground.
No-one, NO-ONE, husband, yoof, gangsta or otherwise tells me which streets I can use and when.

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FGS...
Sometimes I detest these forums with a passion in the way words can be used against people.
I know what I meant and so does mrs777. Take what I say however ya like, I really dont give a monkeys.
Mrs777 does what she likes when she likes, with not a lot of input from me. Out of concern I would not let her walk home alone period.
That is not telling her that is....oh forget it. mad
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FGS...
Sometimes I detest these forums with a passion in the way words can be used against people.
I know what I meant and so does mrs777. Take what I say however ya like, I really dont give a monkeys.
Mrs777 does what she likes when she likes, with not a lot of input from me. Out of concern I would not let her walk home alone period.
That is not telling her that is....oh forget it. mad

You missed your flounce emoticon. biggrin
You get to attack people for what they put. So does everyone else - live with it.
Quote by foxylady2209
FGS...
Sometimes I detest these forums with a passion in the way words can be used against people.
I know what I meant and so does mrs777. Take what I say however ya like, I really dont give a monkeys.
Mrs777 does what she likes when she likes, with not a lot of input from me. Out of concern I would not let her walk home alone period.
That is not telling her that is....oh forget it. mad

You missed your flounce emoticon. biggrin
You get to attack people for what they put. So does everyone else - live with it.
I do very well....thankyou.