Austerity?

7 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
There have always been wealthy people and there always will be. Some are born into wealth, some achieve it and some are lucky enough to win it but requiring them to pay a bigger and bigger part of the welfare budget will only drive them away, just as is happening in France.

Oh so who is going to pay the extra money then.....Oh I know the Poorest in society...lets have a bedroom tax eh !! Lets just let the bankers who get a couple of million bonus keep a bit more eh !!! I know how any fair minded person will see this. Bung your mates a couple of quid...and when election times comes round....they will bung us back some for our elction fund !!
Only one word for it...and I make no excuse for keep saying it...SCANDERLOUS

7 Apr 2013

Doesnt matter how you look at it and at the end of the day you can always hide the truth amongst figures, governments and big companies and accountants have been doing it for years, it just proves what priorities this coalition government have in giving the rich even more money in tax breaks while the rest of us are paying the cost for austerity.

7 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
As headline grabbers go, it is a good one. Like most headlines though, the underlying truth is a little different.
The tax rate for those who earn £150,000 a year will drop on the 40k and above segment from 50 pence to 45 pence. For millionaires to get a £100,000 a year tax cut means that they will have to earn in excess of £2,000,000 a year.
Fortunately Dean, the Government is not motivated by short term envy like some people. More jobs in this country will come from private individuals who are prepared to invest to create private sector jobs. High basic taxes do not attract innovators, doers and achievers - on the contrary higher basic taxes encourage the flight, not collection of taxes. The Government has reduced Corporation tax and my guess is that they will reduce basic taxes further to encourage private individuals to set up and create new business. This concept is backed up by statistics generated by the Institute of fiscal studies over decades of governments fiddling with personal tax rates and observing the consequences. Don't forget that the the tax threshold has gone up to 9440 pounds and will be 10,000 next year which gives everyone a tax saving.
As an aside and in some way contradicting the measure, it appears that the richer in society are paying more tax now than at any time under the 13 years of the last Labour Government.
There have always been wealthy people and there always will be. Some are born into wealth, some achieve it and some are lucky enough to win it but requiring them to pay a bigger and bigger part of the welfare budget will only drive them away, just as is happening in France.

:giggle::giggle:
You carry on believing that utter nonsense. Funny how people who have money have completely different views to those who have feck all.

7 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

I've just read the article. It's actually a quote from Ed Balls...so it will be 100% accurate then......not!

So I would presume that if it was a quote from George Osbourne it would be 100% accurate?
Why would you presume that?
Just a hunch Max. Am I wrong?
Most probably.
Hmmmmm........So not entirely wrong then, so my original comment held some truth then. So I was correct is sort of presuming it?
To be crystal clear, I am saying you would most probably be wrong if you we're saying that a quote from Osborne was 100% accurate. Clear enough?

7 Apr 2013

Quote by deancannock

There have always been wealthy people and there always will be. Some are born into wealth, some achieve it and some are lucky enough to win it but requiring them to pay a bigger and bigger part of the welfare budget will only drive them away, just as is happening in France.

Oh so who is going to pay the extra money then.....Oh I know the Poorest in society...lets have a bedroom tax eh !! Lets just let the bankers who get a couple of million bonus keep a bit more eh !!! I know how any fair minded person will see this. Bung your mates a couple of quid...and when election times comes round....they will bung us back some for our elction fund !!
Only one word for it...and I make no excuse for keep saying it...SCANDERLOUS
Dean, what is your solution? How does the country generate more wealth and pay out less in welfare? How can that be achieved? You can either have a Socialist State where the State controls virtually all the employment opportunities and everyone works for the State or you try to make Britain Great again by encouraging private business to set up small, medium and large businesses which in turn create jobs which in turn generate direct and indirect tax revenue.
It is so easy to be envious of the "rich" but who will create jobs in the future? Poor people or wealthy people? Or do we go communist and get the State to Nationalise everything so that everyone works for the State and everyone gets paid the same - aside from a small elite who will get Billions - a much smaller elite than we have at the moment of course.
So come on Dean the problems that we have are well documented and what is needed is for more people to be in work ad less people claiming welfare payments. How do you propose that this is achieved?

7 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
As headline grabbers go, it is a good one. Like most headlines though, the underlying truth is a little different.
The tax rate for those who earn £150,000 a year will drop on the 40k and above segment from 50 pence to 45 pence. For millionaires to get a £100,000 a year tax cut means that they will have to earn in excess of £2,000,000 a year.
Fortunately Dean, the Government is not motivated by short term envy like some people. More jobs in this country will come from private individuals who are prepared to invest to create private sector jobs. High basic taxes do not attract innovators, doers and achievers - on the contrary higher basic taxes encourage the flight, not collection of taxes. The Government has reduced Corporation tax and my guess is that they will reduce basic taxes further to encourage private individuals to set up and create new business. This concept is backed up by statistics generated by the Institute of fiscal studies over decades of governments fiddling with personal tax rates and observing the consequences. Don't forget that the the tax threshold has gone up to 9440 pounds and will be 10,000 next year which gives everyone a tax saving.
As an aside and in some way contradicting the measure, it appears that the richer in society are paying more tax now than at any time under the 13 years of the last Labour Government.
There have always been wealthy people and there always will be. Some are born into wealth, some achieve it and some are lucky enough to win it but requiring them to pay a bigger and bigger part of the welfare budget will only drive them away, just as is happening in France.

:giggle::giggle:
You carry on believing that utter nonsense. Funny how people who have money have completely different views to those who have feck all.
Which bit is nonsense Mr UKIP? The bit about reducing tax for the rich motivating investment? It is at the forefront of UKIP policy and just as the Coalition has enforced welfare cuts and reduced taxes - neither are even remotely on the scale of what UKIP have planned.
It is the one policy that UKIP has that I fully support. Why should higher earners pay proportionately more in tax than low earners? 30% of 100,000 a year is a lot more tax than 30% of 15,000. I am using the figure of 30% because as you know UKIP think that everyone, irrespective of income level should be paying a combined NI/tax contribution of 31% which will be a further tax cut of 16% - not 5% - for the wealthy in society.
It is hilarious that you find the principal economic policy of your beloved UKIP to be (your words) - "utter nonsense"
You are always guaranteed to amuse Star...

7 Apr 2013

Quote by AlanStone
Doesnt matter how you look at it and at the end of the day you can always hide the truth amongst figures, governments and big companies and accountants have been doing it for years, it just proves what priorities this coalition government have in giving the rich even more money in tax breaks while the rest of us are paying the cost for austerity.

What priorities did the last Labour government have in creating the mess that this current Government is at least making an effort to fix? Looking after the poor in the short term is not a good policy if it destroys the country in the long term.
The current austerity cuts have only slowed down the daily increase of the size of the debt. We are still spending 20% more than we earn in revenue which means that we need more people working and less people on welfare and less government spending generally.

7 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot

There have always been wealthy people and there always will be. Some are born into wealth, some achieve it and some are lucky enough to win it but requiring them to pay a bigger and bigger part of the welfare budget will only drive them away, just as is happening in France.

Oh so who is going to pay the extra money then.....Oh I know the Poorest in society...lets have a bedroom tax eh !! Lets just let the bankers who get a couple of million bonus keep a bit more eh !!! I know how any fair minded person will see this. Bung your mates a couple of quid...and when election times comes round....they will bung us back some for our elction fund !!
Only one word for it...and I make no excuse for keep saying it...SCANDERLOUS
Dean, what is your solution? How does the country generate more wealth and pay out less in welfare? How can that be achieved? You can either have a Socialist State where the State controls virtually all the employment opportunities and everyone works for the State or you try to make Britain Great again by encouraging private business to set up small, medium and large businesses which in turn create jobs which in turn generate direct and indirect tax revenue.
It is so easy to be envious of the "rich" but who will create jobs in the future? Poor people or wealthy people? Or do we go communist and get the State to Nationalise everything so that everyone works for the State and everyone gets paid the same - aside from a small elite who will get Billions - a much smaller elite than we have at the moment of course.
So come on Dean the problems that we have are well documented and what is needed is for more people to be in work ad less people claiming welfare payments. How do you propose that this is achieved?
I have spoken many times about it before. We must create employment !!! That way people come off benifiets and actually start paying tax !!! Those people who now have regular income, they go out and buy more goods, TV's, cars, maybe even just simple like go out for a meal more often. This in turn creates employment. More people paying more tax. I regularily have to visits schools in my line of business, and they are crying out for refurb work. We all see Librarys being closed. We all see the state of our hospitals being run down. Lets take a few words of wisdom from from the great world of private enterprise....Speculate to acumulate. Stimulate the economy....give it a kick start. Thats my answer and it should not come as a surprise as i have said it many times before.

7 Apr 2013

Quote by deancannock
Max,
as reported on BBC news last night...there are 32,000 millionaires paying tax in this country at the last cencus. Now by your own maths....if one millionaire has a million he pays £50,000 less a year !! If has two million then its £100,00 less a year !! If has three its £150,000 less a year. Do the maths yourself do you think there are more with just 1 million...or more with over 1 million. So yes, I actually think the £100,000 less a year average is actually low estimate.
Whatever way you try and argue this, or dress it up, at a time of when Austerity measures are being put in place ; At a time when people who have worked all there life, find them selves redundant and being asked to live on a week ; At a time when those that simply have an extra bedroom are being penalised ; At a time when every university students are being told they have to now pay for their education,
Then a 5% cut in tax to the those with the most weath is simply unacceptable and in my own opinion SCANDALOUS.

Dean, don't confuse yourself with those that have assets of £1 million and those that earn £1 million. I also don't recall having to record my income on the last census?
I'm far from confused Max....again read first line...32,000 millionaires paying tax !!! there are a damn sight more than 32,000 millionaires living here for damn sure. And On last census if I re-call there was an income bracket. But max....you just useing smoke and mirrors here. I don't care the fact still applies...that to give those that have most a 5% tax reduction is SCANDALOUS ..... or do you think it is right ?
Dean, I'm not using smoke and mirrors at all, 32000 millionaires paying tax does not mean 32000 people earning a million pounds (or more) per year. I can't find any reference anywhere to there being 32000 people in the UK earning in excess of 1 million pounds per year.

7 Apr 2013

Quote by deancannock

There have always been wealthy people and there always will be. Some are born into wealth, some achieve it and some are lucky enough to win it but requiring them to pay a bigger and bigger part of the welfare budget will only drive them away, just as is happening in France.

Oh so who is going to pay the extra money then.....Oh I know the Poorest in society...lets have a bedroom tax eh !! Lets just let the bankers who get a couple of million bonus keep a bit more eh !!! I know how any fair minded person will see this. Bung your mates a couple of quid...and when election times comes round....they will bung us back some for our elction fund !!
Only one word for it...and I make no excuse for keep saying it...SCANDERLOUS
Dean, what is your solution? How does the country generate more wealth and pay out less in welfare? How can that be achieved? You can either have a Socialist State where the State controls virtually all the employment opportunities and everyone works for the State or you try to make Britain Great again by encouraging private business to set up small, medium and large businesses which in turn create jobs which in turn generate direct and indirect tax revenue.
It is so easy to be envious of the "rich" but who will create jobs in the future? Poor people or wealthy people? Or do we go communist and get the State to Nationalise everything so that everyone works for the State and everyone gets paid the same - aside from a small elite who will get Billions - a much smaller elite than we have at the moment of course.
So come on Dean the problems that we have are well documented and what is needed is for more people to be in work ad less people claiming welfare payments. How do you propose that this is achieved?
I have spoken many times about it before. We must create employment !!! That way people come off benifiets and actually start paying tax !!! Those people who now have regular income, they go out and buy more goods, TV's, cars, maybe even just simple like go out for a meal more often. This in turn creates employment. More people paying more tax. I regularily have to visits schools in my line of business, and they are crying out for refurb work. We all see Librarys being closed. We all see the state of our hospitals being run down. Lets take a few words of wisdom from from the great world of private enterprise....Speculate to acumulate. Stimulate the economy....give it a kick start. Thats my answer and it should not come as a surprise as i have said it many times before.
So you are saying that you would borrow more? I understand the concept of speculating to accumulate but there have to be businesses around to be able to undertake the infrastructure and those businesses will be owned by wealthy innovators. Inspiring them to expand their businesses to create the jobs needed to undertake the work you are suggesting means treating the business owners fairly and encouraging them to expand and create more jobs. You seem to think that by stuffing it to the creators and innovators it will somehow help the poorer in society when in fact quite the opposite is true. Harass businesses and business leaders with oppressive tax regimes and their "profits" disappear, dividends get postponed and creative accountancy instead of expansion comes to the fore.

7 Apr 2013

Quote by deancannock
I have spoken many times about it before. We must create employment !!! That way people come off benifiets and actually start paying tax !!! Those people who now have regular income, they go out and buy more goods, TV's, cars, maybe even just simple like go out for a meal more often. This in turn creates employment. More people paying more tax. I regularily have to visits schools in my line of business, and they are crying out for refurb work. We all see Librarys being closed. We all see the state of our hospitals being run down. Lets take a few words of wisdom from from the great world of private enterprise....Speculate to acumulate. Stimulate the economy....give it a kick start. Thats my answer and it should not come as a surprise as i have said it many times before.

Dean that is correct, BUT and its a big but, to create the employment we need the people with the money to invest. The people with the money will not invest if they know their money will not give the return they want.
So you are stuck, the people with the money are the rich, keep the rich happy and they will invest i.e. build something, research something, philanthropy etc. until they (the rich) get something out of it you have no chance.
As I reported a couple of weeks ago, and the Government are well aware of this and so are the financial markets, UK businesses based over here have 790 billion in CASH sloshing around in their bank accounts which they will not use because the return is not there. We need the government to encourage them to use this money and you will only get that by lowering rates of tax for them!!

7 Apr 2013

Quote by gulsonroad30664
all selected politicians in parliament of all parties dance to the same tune as they are all compromised by the same rythm. they are all on the gravy train of financial reward to do their masters bidding.
if one spoke out, as they are all aware, they would meet with an untimely accident. they are all puppets of the same regime. international finance and banking.
they have stolen your pensions, exported your jobs, imported cheap labour, taken your taxes to subsidise their gambling and are coming for your savings/deposits al la cyprus.
this period is the greatest controlled demolition of the global economy since the introduction of the promisary note and we will get what we deserve for being so stupid and spellbound.
they will fill your minds with diversions/propaganda and blame the "other" guy. it's the immigrants fault. it's the afghans fault. it's al quaeders fault. it's the benefits claimants fault. it's the iraqi's (weapons of mass destrution) fault. it's gaddaffi's fault, it's assads fault. it's the north koreans fault. it's the e.u.s fault. it's the germans fault. it's the non taxpaying greeks fault.
the elephant is hidding in full veiw.

Good to see your latest post is a carbon copy of all your previous 679. Still a one trick pony then Guls?

7 Apr 2013

Medication would seem the only possible course of action...

7 Apr 2013

Are we really supposed to believe that these millionaires invest their own capital in business ?? or do they actually raise funds from banks or the markets and set up limited companies that minimise if not negate any personal risk ?? ...... the people who HAVE to invest their own capital are those who are least able to afford it not those high tax payers who can ... all the reduced tax rate will serve to do is line the pockets of the Tory partys' natural constituents ... I would suggest that certain members are either being a little mendacious or are living on another planet

7 Apr 2013

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Are we really supposed to believe that these millionaires invest their own capital in business ?? or do they actually raise funds from banks or the markets and set up limited companies that minimise if not negate any personal risk ?? ...... the people who HAVE to invest their own capital are those who are least able to afford it not those high tax payers who can ... all the reduced tax rate will serve to do is line the pockets of the Tory partys' natural constituents ... I would suggest that certain members are either being a little mendacious or are living on another planet

They have to be here in the first place don't they? They have to believe that there is a government in power committed to reforming and reducing taxes and making the country an appealing place in which to invest their own and other people's money. High taxes and business growth are not aligned. Similarly, socialist ideology and business growth are not aligned hence the move from Labour to New Labour.
Watch what is happening in France. Did you see the American tyre Companies response to the French offer of rescuing a huge tyre plant that was closing in Northern France?

7 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
Are we really supposed to believe that these millionaires invest their own capital in business ?? or do they actually raise funds from banks or the markets and set up limited companies that minimise if not negate any personal risk ?? ...... the people who HAVE to invest their own capital are those who are least able to afford it not those high tax payers who can ... all the reduced tax rate will serve to do is line the pockets of the Tory partys' natural constituents ... I would suggest that certain members are either being a little mendacious or are living on another planet

They have to be here in the first place don't they? They have to believe that there is a government in power committed to reforming and reducing taxes and making the country an appealing place in which to invest their own and other people's money. High taxes and business growth are not aligned.Similarly, socialist ideology and business growth are not aligned hence the move from Labour to New Labour.
Watch what is happening in France. Did you see the American tyre Companies response to the French offer of rescuing a huge tyre plant that was closing in Northern France?
in bold
Would you like to explain the post war investment and growth brought about by the 1945 Labour government and how this led to the inevitable collapse of the British economy in the '50's and '60's ?? .... oh hang on though it didn't did it ... business was indeed booming under several socialist governments running deficits that make our current one look like small change
As for a reduction of 5% in tax changing the acquisitive selfish behaviour of those who choose to evade/avoid tax .. you're having a fucking laugh aren't you ... and We lefty liberals are supposed to be unrealistic
All this reduction will do -as I've already stated- is further line the pockets of those who need it least ... you know it I know it why is it so difficult for you to admit??

7 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
They have to be here in the first place don't they? They have to believe that there is a government in power committed to reforming and reducing taxes and making the country an appealing place in which to invest their own and other people's money.

Oh and this bit .... is it really government policy that's made investment so unappealing ?? I would suggest that if you look back over the last 20 or so years, those that have put investment in jepordy most, have not been in government but in the corridors of power of large financial only real contribution to the mercurial nature of investments by government has been their refusal to impose sanctions for malpractice on these organisations ... what the economy needs is for the banks,markets and the corporate world to brought to book for their greed and irresponsibility not for us to be throwing cash at them

7 Apr 2013

Can I just say, that if I ever find myself part of the majority I will have to change my mind :twisted:

7 Apr 2013

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Are we really supposed to believe that these millionaires invest their own capital in business ?? or do they actually raise funds from banks or the markets and set up limited companies that minimise if not negate any personal risk ?? ...... the people who HAVE to invest their own capital are those who are least able to afford it not those high tax payers who can ... all the reduced tax rate will serve to do is line the pockets of the Tory partys' natural constituents ... I would suggest that certain members are either being a little mendacious or are living on another planet

They have to be here in the first place don't they? They have to believe that there is a government in power committed to reforming and reducing taxes and making the country an appealing place in which to invest their own and other people's money. High taxes and business growth are not aligned.Similarly, socialist ideology and business growth are not aligned hence the move from Labour to New Labour.
Watch what is happening in France. Did you see the American tyre Companies response to the French offer of rescuing a huge tyre plant that was closing in Northern France?
in bold
Would you like to explain the post war investment and growth brought about by the 1945 Labour government and how this led to the inevitable collapse of the British economy in the '50's and '60's ?? .... oh hang on though it didn't did it ... business was indeed booming under several socialist governments running deficits that make our current one look like small change
As for a reduction of 5% in tax changing the acquisitive selfish behaviour of those who choose to evade/avoid tax .. you're having a fucking laugh aren't you ... and We lefty liberals are supposed to be unrealistic
All this reduction will do -as I've already stated- is further line the pockets of those who need it least ... you know it I know it why is it so difficult for you to admit??
This?
Socialist policies don't work, never agave worked and never will. The most recent legacy of The Socialist policy of redistributing wealth will haunts for may years to come as Tax Credits have equalised payments between University graduated employees and High School leavers; thus removing ambition and motivation to be better qualified.
There are a multitude of different personalities that exist in this world but broadly you can fit working people into two categories. Those with ambition and those without. Neither is a bad trait and each should be supported because those with ambition will be future leaders and those without will be the workers. Why give handouts to those who have no desire to better themselves just because they object morally to the people who do want to better themselves?
Only in the UK is it worthy of abuse to want to better yourself in life. Perhaps that is why the emerging nations are doing so much better than the UK - because they realise that benefits come from hard work and endeavour and not from charitable donations.

7 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
as Tax Credits have equalised payments between University graduated employees and High School leavers; thus removing ambition and motivation to be better qualified.

Really? Tax Credits will only come into play where they are both doing jobs that are so ill paid that the worker requires state benefit to achieve a level of income that surely should come from the employer in the first place.
If there is equality of pay above the Tax Credit level then that would suggest that the education system is producing high calibre High School leavers or the calibre of University graduates isn't what it used to be.
And as to removing incentive to be better qualified, aren't there far more school leavers entering university now than there were a generation ago?
If I am going to be cast adrift in a leaky rowing boat I want the captain and first class passengers to row as well. At the moment it's down to the stokers and steerage passengers to make headway while the quality have their feet up shouting "Row harder you lazy bastards!"
"We're all in it together" - my arse.

7 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
This?
Socialist policies don't work, never agave worked and never will. The most recent legacy of The Socialist policy of redistributing wealth will haunts for may years to come as Tax Credits have equalised payments between University graduated employees and High School leavers; thus removing ambition and motivation to be better qualified.
There are a multitude of different personalities that exist in this world but broadly you can fit working people into two categories. Those with ambition and those without. Neither is a bad trait and each should be supported because those with ambition will be future leaders and those without will be the workers. Why give handouts to those who have no desire to better themselves just because they object morally to the people who do want to better themselves?
Only in the UK is it worthy of abuse to want to better yourself in life. Perhaps that is why the emerging nations are doing so much better than the UK - because they realise that benefits come from hard work and endeavour and not from charitable donations.

Well you haven't really answered the question have you ? ... so the national health service is a policy that hasn't worked? the post war policy of borrowing to invest failed ?? the trade unions and labour party (when they actually were a socialist party) have failed to raise the standard of living of the working classes in this country??
You are of course wrong ... There are those who would 'better' themselves at the expense of others and there are those who would 'better' us all and there are those who fall in a myriad of different positions along that line
There are those that believe that 'ambition' is the desire to accumulate wealth and there are those that don't
What has removed the ambition and motivation to be better qualified is the cost of becoming better qualified ... bugger another failed socialist policy.. universal free education
That tax credits have as you spuriously claim (that means show me the figures B.T.W.)equalised payments ...You do mean that they have the same income I assume.. between graduates and 'high school' leavers may evidence many things but that tax credits are a bad idea really would be stretching it.I'll go with the fact that employers are exploitative always have been always will be ... new graduates B.T.W. have largely been poorly paid the reward for their hard work usually being an accelerated rise up the corporate ladder not necessarily an instant launch to higher rung.
Why do you find it sooo hard to admit the nature of capitalism .... it is necessarily selfish it doesn't work otherwise
I have now and have never had any objection to anyone 'bettering' themselves I object to exploitation,mendacity,greed,ignorance,arrogance and many many other facets of capitalism I object to the fact that we are expected to believe an obvious lie because our 'betters' tell it.I object to the idea that the only way to 'better' yourself is to have more of an abstract than others.. and money is if nothing else an abstract, the capitalist world is writing cheques that it will one day have to try and cash ... it is fucked .... now were's my fiddle?

7 Apr 2013

Quote by northwest-cpl
as Tax Credits have equalised payments between University graduated employees and High School leavers; thus removing ambition and motivation to be better qualified.

Really? Tax Credits will only come into play where they are both doing jobs that are so ill paid that the worker requires state benefit to achieve a level of income that surely should come from the employer in the first place.
If there is equality of pay above the Tax Credit level then that would suggest that the education system is producing high calibre High School leavers or the calibre of University graduates isn't what it used to be.
And as to removing incentive to be better qualified, aren't there far more school leavers entering university now than there were a generation ago?
If I am going to be cast adrift in a leaky rowing boat I want the captain and first class passengers to row as well. At the moment it's down to the stokers and steerage passengers to make headway while the quality have their feet up shouting "Row harder you lazy bastards!"
"We're all in it together" - my arse.
That, I meant to say that

7 Apr 2013

Oh and just for the record .. http://www.swingingheaven.co.uk/swingers-forum/view-topic.html?post_id=3966239#3966239

8 Apr 2013

Quote by northwest-cpl
as Tax Credits have equalised payments between University graduated employees and High School leavers; thus removing ambition and motivation to be better qualified.

Really? Tax Credits will only come into play where they are both doing jobs that are so ill paid that the worker requires state benefit to achieve a level of income that surely should come from the employer in the first place.
If there is equality of pay above the Tax Credit level then that would suggest that the education system is producing high calibre High School leavers or the calibre of University graduates isn't what it used to be.
And as to removing incentive to be better qualified, aren't there far more school leavers entering university now than there were a generation ago?
If I am going to be cast adrift in a leaky rowing boat I want the captain and first class passengers to row as well. At the moment it's down to the stokers and steerage passengers to make headway while the quality have their feet up shouting "Row harder you lazy bastards!"
"We're all in it together" - my arse.
That comes from a man who openly admitted his Wife at the time was claiming child benefit and he had absolutely no idea she was. I am unsure as to whether TH actually even knew child benefit existed.

8 Apr 2013

Don't worry though as they are all paying their taxes, in return for social housing and free use of the NHS. :doh:

8 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

Don't worry though as they are all paying their taxes, in return for social housing and free use of the NHS. :doh:

True and the pictures of those sleeping under the M4..............well, according to Too Hot they will all be running successful Companies by now, employing us lazy Brits !!
John

8 Apr 2013

Quote by Geordiecpl2001
True and the pictures of those sleeping under the M4..............well, according to Too Hot they will all be running successful Companies by now, employing us lazy Brits !!
John

We all know that TH cannot possibly believe all the nonsense he posts. Even he will not answer my question as to how we can sustain 80 million people in the UK. He twitters on about investments and all these people paying their taxes, when it simply is not true as there are not the jobs available.
Luckily he can divert people's attention all the time when answering a complex question by blaming UKIP for this or that. As I have stated in another thread to TH about not believing all you read and see on the internet, and what TH tells us we have to take some of it with a pinch of salt.
The simple maths just do not add up. X amount of jobs and x amount of people looking for work are not the same. Most of the Romanian population are here anyways as pickpockets working in London. I did read a couple of weeks ago that almost every pickpocket arrested was an illegal Romaninan. Cannot think for a second how they get into the UK with the very strict border controls we have at our ports and airports.

:rotflmao::rotflmao:

8 Apr 2013

Quote by star
Most of the Romanian population are here anyways as pickpockets working in London

I actually find that comment offensive and totally racist.
Either back it up with proper facts (not your usual cut and paste Daily Wail tripe) or withdraw the comment unreservedly.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by GnV
Most of the Romanian population are here anyways as pickpockets working in London

I actually find that comment offensive and totally racist.
Either back it up with proper facts (not your usual cut and past Daily Wail tripe) or withdraw the comment unreservedly.
Mind that pacemaker matey. :thumbup: You're getting all steamed up again.
Proper facts? Hmmmmm.

" Since November last year almost 700 Romanian nationals have been arrested throughout the area ". 700?

" British Transport Police immediately found a vast network of Romanians who had booked into the hotel".
I understand you have no idea what takes place in London, but Romanian pickpockets are rife and are a serious problem. Ok maybe not all the population are here but may well be in 5 years time once the floodgates have opened.
Withdraw the comment? Not on your nelly as there is a damn lot of truth in it. :notes: innocent

Funny those links were found in a nano second and there are rather a lot more.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by flower411

Why do you find it sooo hard to admit the nature of capitalism .... it is necessarily selfish it doesn't work otherwise

Much of what you say in here is debateable and largely a matter of opinion but this statement is simply not true. There are of course many people who believe that the person running a business is some selfish money grabbing git living a life of luxury at the expense of the poor downtrodden workers but historically this has not ALWAYS been true.
It`s like saying that all socialist states are run by dictators because it`s the nature of socialism.
Business may well benefit others, it is not its nature or purpose to do so...capital serves only one master, capital,if it benefits others it is by accident not design.
On a small scale this may often appear to be untrue ....but it is observable that it becomes more true as business' grows