Austerity?

8 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

True and the pictures of those sleeping under the M4..............well, according to Too Hot they will all be running successful Companies by now, employing us lazy Brits !!
John

We all know that TH cannot possibly believe all the nonsense he posts. Even he will not answer my question as to how we can sustain 80 million people in the UK. He twitters on about investments and all these people paying their taxes, when it simply is not true as there are not the jobs available.
Luckily he can divert people's attention all the time when answering a complex question by blaming UKIP for this or that. As I have stated in another thread to TH about not believing all you read and see on the internet, and what TH tells us we have to take some of it with a pinch of salt.
The simple maths just do not add up. X amount of jobs and x amount of people looking for work are not the same. Most of the Romanian population are here anyways as pickpockets working in London. I did read a couple of weeks ago that almost every pickpocket arrested was an illegal Romaninan. Cannot think for a second how they get into the UK with the very strict border controls we have at our ports and airports.

:rotflmao::rotflmao:
Let's just make some things clear about what I believe:
1) I am in the position that I am in life (good or bad) because of the decisions and life choices that I have made.
2) I do not blame this or any past Government for the various downfalls that I have had to endure in my working life. I hold myself responsible for everything.
3) I believe that (with medically afflicted exceptions) we get the life that we deserve because of the choices that we make
4) I believe that in order to resolve the countries problems we need more people working and need to pay out less in State expenditure (of all kinds. This means reducing taxes, reducing red tape and cutting spending.
5) As a 4th generation immigrant, married to a first generation immigrant and with lots of friends of both native and immigrant I firmly believe that it is immigration over the centuries that made Britain great.
6) I do not believe Newspaper Headlines that claim every welfare recipient is a scrounger in the same way that I don't believe headlines that every immigrant is a scrounger. Assumptions based on extremes rarely reflect reality.
7) I have seen the vast majority of the 4,000,000 recent migrants get absorbed into the UK workplace whilst unemployment has stayed the same. Simple maths equates this to being worth around £20 billion to the economy. I do not believe in uncontrolled immigration and accept that just like Brits have to in Spain, anyone coming to the UK has to be able to support themselves.
8) I think that the UK native population has generally become complacent and has an expectation level far greater than its actual worth.
9) It is my experience that a higher percentage of migrants are more motivated to work hard, create wealth, employment and jobs than a given number of native Brits. It is also my experience backed up by the recent UCL survey that migrants are far more likely to making a positive net contribution to society than make a negative contribution.
10) It is my opinion that there are criminals, extremists, shysters and knobheads in every country and of every nationality. A search of this resource would illustrate the percentage of convictions for people who do not have English names.
And let's not forget Star... Not everyone is like you. It is a simple fact that jobs get created when governments make job creation attractive. It is just stupid to think that jobs will not be created as the population increases. State funded jobs might not invcrease, but the private sector can flourish and fortunately migrants are much more motivated than people like you to create employment. Will there be exceptions? Of course there will but as has happened throughout history, migrants have had a positive effect on Britain.

8 Apr 2013

Sorry TH too much for me to bother to even comment on.
The number 3 though is absolute rubbish. Luck plays a huge part in what happens to all of us through our lives, be it work or personnel.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
Sorry TH too much for me to bother to even comment on.
The number 3 though is absolute rubbish. Luck plays a huge part in what happens to all of us through our lives, be it work or personnel.

Of course - we make our own luck though don't we?
You should investigate taking a free Nuero Linguistic Programming course Star. The two day event will change your life - well, with a bit of luck, it might change the way you think.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
Of course - we make our own luck though don't we?
You should investigate taking a free Nuero Linguistic Programming course Star. The two day event will change your life - well, with a bit of luck, it might change the way you think.

Scientific reviews show it contains numerous factual errors, and fails to produce the results asserted by proponents.
This sums up that nonsense perfectly.

You want to believe all that utter tripe that is up to you. Do you believe in witch Doctors as well TH?
Me? I shall go on living my life that actually even though it lacks pots of money, it actually ain't that bad.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

Of course - we make our own luck though don't we?
You should investigate taking a free Nuero Linguistic Programming course Star. The two day event will change your life - well, with a bit of luck, it might change the way you think.

Scientific reviews show it contains numerous factual errors, and fails to produce the results asserted by proponents.
This sums up that nonsense perfectly.

You want to believe all that utter tripe that is up to you. Do you believe in witch Doctors as well TH?
Me? I shall go on living my life that actually even though it lacks pots of money, it actually ain't that bad.
The problem with your life Star is that your mind is overwhelmed by negativity and anything new that is suggested to you that is even one step outside of your comfort zone results in a barrage of negativity spilling out of your brain. Look at the things you say on here whenever something is said that is outside of your zone - immediate negative responses - classic inner mind chatter that is actually a product of fear.
I believe in anything and everything that has the potential to have a positive effect on my life. If trying it costs nothing - what is there to lose?

8 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
You should investigate taking a free Nuero Linguistic Programming course Star. The two day event will change your life - well, with a bit of luck, it might change the way you think.

And if that don't work, chain letters used to be a popular way of trying to change your life, maybe give that a go.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by Too Hot
The problem with your life Star is that your mind is overwhelmed by negativity and anything new that is suggested to you that is even one step outside of your comfort zone results in a barrage of negativity spilling out of your brain. Look at the things you say on here whenever something is said that is outside of your zone - immediate negative responses - classic inner mind chatter that is actually a product of fear.
I believe in anything and everything that has the potential to have a positive effect on my life. If trying it costs nothing - what is there to lose?

No problem with me TH. This nonsense has been called a cult where people are actually brainwashed into believing this shite. Seems you have been brainwashed as well it would seem.
" critics have accused Bandler of everything from running a cult, failing to provide scientific evidence for his claims and brainwashing his clients. He's admitted drug abuse and even stood trial for murder ".
You seem the sort of guy that could easily be brainwashed TH. lol

Praise the Lord I hear them all cry.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple

The problem with your life Star is that your mind is overwhelmed by negativity and anything new that is suggested to you that is even one step outside of your comfort zone results in a barrage of negativity spilling out of your brain. Look at the things you say on here whenever something is said that is outside of your zone - immediate negative responses - classic inner mind chatter that is actually a product of fear.
I believe in anything and everything that has the potential to have a positive effect on my life. If trying it costs nothing - what is there to lose?

No problem with me TH. This nonsense has been called a cult where people are actually brainwashed into believing this shite. Seems you have been brainwashed as well it would seem.
" critics have accused Bandler of everything from running a cult, failing to provide scientific evidence for his claims and brainwashing his clients. He's admitted drug abuse and even stood trial for murder ".
You seem the sort of guy that could easily be brainwashed TH. lol

Praise the Lord I hear them all cry.
There you go again. Find an extreme and assume it is normal.
I use NLP in my everyday life and I find it helps with many aspects of it, as does self hypnosis.
The only evidence of brainwashing I see is the people with firmly closed minds.

8 Apr 2013

Others out there can have a Google and see exactly that this means and what it does, which basically is fuck all. It's all in your head Son. :bounce:

8 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
Others out there can have a Google and see exactly that this means and what it does, which basically is fuck all. It's all in your head Son. :bounce:

Well done - that is exactly what it is. Full marks for working that one out. Helps you train your brain to be positive instead of negative - and it works.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by flower411
OMG !! He`ll be running off bleating to admin if you call him racist !

What like I have with you ya mean on many occasions? Like that you mean?

:rotflmao:

8 Apr 2013

And so we get to why I gave up .... a typical pointless descent into name calling and bullshit

8 Apr 2013

As for the power of positive thinking .... it doesn't matter how positively you view the gun to your head, it only counts if you're controlling the trigger

8 Apr 2013

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
And so we get to why I gave up .... a typical pointless descent into name calling and bullshit

Sorry Staggers I must have you confused with someone else. Are you not the same Staggers that was involved in most of the " name calling and bullshit " in the past ?? So you've turned over a new leaf then?

8 Apr 2013

Quote by starlightcouple
And so we get to why I gave up .... a typical pointless descent into name calling and bullshit

Sorry Staggers I must have you confused with someone else. Are you not the same Staggers that was involved in most of the " name calling and bullshit " in the past ?? So you've turned over a new leaf then?
No I got thoroughly fed up of being dragged into it .... I stopped posting I will endeavour not to make similar mistakes in future

8 Apr 2013

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
And so we get to why I gave up .... a typical pointless descent into name calling and bullshit

Quote by starlightcouple
Sorry Staggers I must have you confused with someone else. Are you not the same Staggers that was involved in most of the " name calling and bullshit " in the past ?? So you've turned over a new leaf then?

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
No I got thoroughly fed up of being dragged into it .... I stopped posting I will endeavour not to make similar mistakes in future

Certainly did not see you kicking and screaming at the time. Well if you can learn from ones mistakes, then making those mistakes was all worthwhile.
Nice to see you back though.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Can I just say, that if I ever find myself part of the majority I will have to change my mind :twisted:

so would i so that makes two of us.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by gulsonroad30664
Can I just say, that if I ever find myself part of the majority I will have to change my mind :twisted:

so would i so that makes two of us.
So why try to convert everyone to your way of thought? dunno

8 Apr 2013

Quote by Max777
Can I just say, that if I ever find myself part of the majority I will have to change my mind :twisted:

so would i so that makes two of us.
So why try to convert everyone to your way of thought? dunno

convert to my way of thinking ? i have never expounded my idealogical method of thinking.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by deancannock
Max,
as reported on BBC news last night...there are 32,000 millionaires paying tax in this country at the last cencus. Now by your own maths....if one millionaire has a million he pays £50,000 less a year !! If has two million then its £100,00 less a year !! If has three its £150,000 less a year. Do the maths yourself do you think there are more with just 1 million...or more with over 1 million. So yes, I actually think the £100,000 less a year average is actually low estimate.
Whatever way you try and argue this, or dress it up, at a time of when Austerity measures are being put in place ; At a time when people who have worked all there life, find them selves redundant and being asked to live on a week ; At a time when those that simply have an extra bedroom are being penalised ; At a time when every university students are being told they have to now pay for their education,
Then a 5% cut in tax to the those with the most weath is simply unacceptable and in my own opinion SCANDALOUS.

Dean, don't confuse yourself with those that have assets of £1 million and those that earn £1 million. I also don't recall having to record my income on the last census?
I'm far from confused Max....again read first line...32,000 millionaires paying tax !!! there are a damn sight more than 32,000 millionaires living here for damn sure. And On last census if I re-call there was an income bracket. But max....you just useing smoke and mirrors here. I don't care the fact still applies...that to give those that have most a 5% tax reduction is SCANDALOUS ..... or do you think it is right ?
Dean, there was no income question on the 2011 census so how can the BBC make their claim?

8 Apr 2013

Quote by Max777
Max,
as reported on BBC news last night...there are 32,000 millionaires paying tax in this country at the last cencus. Now by your own maths....if one millionaire has a million he pays £50,000 less a year !! If has two million then its £100,00 less a year !! If has three its £150,000 less a year. Do the maths yourself do you think there are more with just 1 million...or more with over 1 million. So yes, I actually think the £100,000 less a year average is actually low estimate.
Whatever way you try and argue this, or dress it up, at a time of when Austerity measures are being put in place ; At a time when people who have worked all there life, find them selves redundant and being asked to live on a week ; At a time when those that simply have an extra bedroom are being penalised ; At a time when every university students are being told they have to now pay for their education,
Then a 5% cut in tax to the those with the most weath is simply unacceptable and in my own opinion SCANDALOUS.

Dean, don't confuse yourself with those that have assets of £1 million and those that earn £1 million. I also don't recall having to record my income on the last census?
I'm far from confused Max....again read first line...32,000 millionaires paying tax !!! there are a damn sight more than 32,000 millionaires living here for damn sure. And On last census if I re-call there was an income bracket. But max....you just useing smoke and mirrors here. I don't care the fact still applies...that to give those that have most a 5% tax reduction is SCANDALOUS ..... or do you think it is right ?
Dean, there was no income question on the 2011 census so how can the BBC make their claim?
more smoke and mirrors eh....its on ...and where can you confirm there wasn't a question....I do re-call a question about household income. there again it was time ago, I can't be sure myself. But just face the question MAX..... taking more tax from the poor, whilst taking less from the mega rich...in a time of so called austerity is SCANDERLOUS

8 Apr 2013

Quote by deancannock
Max,
as reported on BBC news last night...there are 32,000 millionaires paying tax in this country at the last cencus. Now by your own maths....if one millionaire has a million he pays £50,000 less a year !! If has two million then its £100,00 less a year !! If has three its £150,000 less a year. Do the maths yourself do you think there are more with just 1 million...or more with over 1 million. So yes, I actually think the £100,000 less a year average is actually low estimate.
Whatever way you try and argue this, or dress it up, at a time of when Austerity measures are being put in place ; At a time when people who have worked all there life, find them selves redundant and being asked to live on a week ; At a time when those that simply have an extra bedroom are being penalised ; At a time when every university students are being told they have to now pay for their education,
Then a 5% cut in tax to the those with the most weath is simply unacceptable and in my own opinion SCANDALOUS.

Dean, don't confuse yourself with those that have assets of £1 million and those that earn £1 million. I also don't recall having to record my income on the last census?
I'm far from confused Max....again read first line...32,000 millionaires paying tax !!! there are a damn sight more than 32,000 millionaires living here for damn sure. And On last census if I re-call there was an income bracket. But max....you just useing smoke and mirrors here. I don't care the fact still applies...that to give those that have most a 5% tax reduction is SCANDALOUS ..... or do you think it is right ?
Dean, there was no income question on the 2011 census so how can the BBC make their claim?
more smoke and mirrors eh....its on ...and where can you confirm there wasn't a question....I do re-call a question about household income. there again it was time ago, I can't be sure myself. But just face the question MAX..... taking more tax from the poor, whilst taking less from the mega rich...in a time of so called austerity is SCANDERLOUS
It's easy to check the census questions online. I've done it..you can do it yourself. So where does the BBC get the figures you claim? Who is it that's really using smoke and mirrors?

8 Apr 2013

MAX....I just typed in census 2011...and couldn't find where i could see all the questions again !! maybe you could forward me the link.
But you avoiding the question....Do you think at a time of some called austerity measures, at a time when the bedroom tax is being introduced ; at a time when people who have worked all their lives hard, find themselves redundant and are asked to live on £53 a week....that it is right that those earn over a million pounds a year get a 5% tax cut. Even based on your figures a minimum of a £50,000 cash back bung !!
Me.. guess what.... I think its SCANDERLOUS

8 Apr 2013

Quote by deancannock
MAX....I just typed in census 2011...and couldn't find where i could see all the questions again !! maybe you could forward me the link.
But you avoiding the question....Do you think at a time of some called austerity measures, at a time when the bedroom tax is being introduced ; at a time when people who have worked all their lives hard, find themselves redundant and are asked to live on £53 a week....that it is right that those earn over a million pounds a year get a 5% tax cut. Even based on your figures a minimum of a £50,000 cash back bung !!
Me.. guess what.... I think its SCANDERLOUS

Also the 20% reduction in council tax benefit has come in at the same time for those that are entitled to it.
A band A property is now liable to pay just shy of £15 per month, although this may not in itself sound like a huge amount of money, when you are already living on the breadline & having to choose on a daily basis whether to heat or eat, it is alot of money to have to 'find' out of your measly dole money, esp if you are also having to find money for the bedroom tax.
To be honest, I'm getting pretty fed up of reading how us so called benefit scroungers are living such a bloody life of riley!!!.
Yet again I have spent hours job searching today, with little results, the majority of jobs are for so few hours that It would cost me money to actually be in work....I want a job not a bloody hobby!!! The goverment has all these incentives for employers to give the jobs to 16-25 yr olds & to allow the over 65's to stay in employment if they so wish too, that the rest of the population is basically being ignored, but yet penalised for being unable to find gainful employment. The over 65's are exempt from any of the benefit changes & yet they are the ones filling up the larger properties.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by whiplash
the majority of jobs are for so few hours that It would cost me money to actually be in work....I want a job not a bloody hobby!!!

Whiplash please don't take this wrong as it is not an intended swipe at you.
Is this not a symptom of life today? a larger number of part time jobs, or job shares, just so the state can make it's target of the number of employed, or returned to work mums? Whether you hear it here, on Jeremy Kyle or anecdotally how many of us have heard 'It would cost me money to actually be in work'?
It really grips me, but I also know how bad it can be and see it on a regular basis.
I really do think that welfare is wrong and that it should either pay to be in work or out. The middle ground is unacceptable.

8 Apr 2013

Quote by Trevaunance
the majority of jobs are for so few hours that It would cost me money to actually be in work....I want a job not a bloody hobby!!!

Whiplash please don't take this wrong as it is not an intended swipe at you.
Is this not a symptom of life today? a larger number of part time jobs, or job shares, just so the state can make it's target of the number of employed, or returned to work mums? Whether you hear it here, on Jeremy Kyle or anecdotally how many of us have heard 'It would cost me money to actually be in work'?
It really grips me, but I also know how bad it can be and see it on a regular basis.
I really do think that welfare is wrong and that it should either pay to be in work or out. The middle ground is unacceptable.
Trev trust me I have thicker skin that that & I by no means take it as a swipe at me lol it just irks me that all those that are out of work are tarred with the same brush.
Take today I went for a job interview that when I applied for it, it was advertised as full time, after spending £10 in travel fares to attend I was told that the hours were now only 16 with a view to increasing to 20 in the future.... so lets do the maths here 16 hours at = per week, x 4 thas per month (no arguing about 5 week months plz). As i have no dependents living with me I'm not entitled to any form of tax credits (yet another benefit, but one that has become a necessity in order to live). My monthly rent is £420 ..... dont really think I need to continue.
Re the Jeremy Kyle swipe, not all benefit claimants are like those that appear on that show or as has been reported in the media like Mick Philpott.... dya see why I get irked?.
And how strange that out of the whole of my post which mentioned council tax benefit being cut, bedroom tax, the over 65's working and residing in valuable housing stock but being exempt.. you chose to pick up and highlight one particular sentence regarding welfare payments.... I rest my case!

8 Apr 2013

Thanks whiplash, so often people take replies as a swipe. sad

I am glad to see the maths. Because if nothing else it helps me and others to understand. I have never been in your situation, and I hope I never will.
Yet, I see it all the time. People struggling to survive.
You have to accept that there are a number of unemployed people though that tar everyone with the same brush?
But as you asked, I can see why you get irked, and for what it's worth I really do sympathise.

9 Apr 2013

Quote by dean
MAX....I just typed in census 2011...and couldn't find where i could see all the questions again !! maybe you could forward me the link.

I was intrigued too so looked it up (as I didn't do the 2011 census). If I can help Max out....
There you go:

9 Apr 2013

Quote by whiplash
And how strange that out of the whole of my post which mentioned council tax benefit being cut, bedroom tax, the over 65's working and residing in valuable housing stock but being exempt.. you chose to pick up and highlight one particular sentence regarding welfare payments.... I rest my case!

Get over yourself.
I made a point based on something you posted. Something, that I basically agree with. Yet you have chosen to label me as what? I don't even know! Igorant? An ignorer of you?
Am I really that wrong for deciding to pick part of your post up and agree with it in a friendly way, whilst not debating the aspects I already agree with?
Wow.

9 Apr 2013

Quote by deancannock
MAX....I just typed in census 2011...and couldn't find where i could see all the questions again !! maybe you could forward me the link.
But you avoiding the question....Do you think at a time of some called austerity measures, at a time when the bedroom tax is being introduced ; at a time when people who have worked all their lives hard, find themselves redundant and are asked to live on £53 a week....that it is right that those earn over a million pounds a year get a 5% tax cut. Even based on your figures a minimum of a £50,000 cash back bung !!
Me.. guess what.... I think its SCANDERLOUS

GNV has kindly provided a link. I'm still waiting for you to substantiate your claim.
Now, If you got off your bloody soap box and stopped shouting you will see I said on page 1 it was a political blunder and if you are going to shout in red bloody capitals, at least spell the bloody word right!