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Well it seems I was wrong and the BNP have won their first seat.
The leader of the BNP is ahead at this moment , and I am off to bed so do not know if it will be seat no 2.
The swing of the voting is alarming in the Humber district.
Should we be worried they have their first seat, or just treat it as a " protest " vote, by the electorate there?
The leader of the BNP is ahead at this moment , and I am off to bed so do not know if it will be seat no 2.
The swing of the voting is alarming in the Humber district.
Should we be worried they have their first seat, or just treat it as a " protest " vote, by the electorate there?
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(Admits to liking France, the French, and quite fancying trying Horsemeat. Drawing the line at snails though)
We don't eat snails here, we eat les escargots
and as we love horses we eat la viande cheval instead :thumbup:
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If the shoe was on the other foot, and we were on the bones of our arses, threatened with death and misery at every juncture, and we knew if we could get to Ireland or France life would be markedly better even as an illegal immigrant and there is always a chance you can appeal to stay if you get caught (which not too many do), would you go for you and your kids? I would. I'd even learn French and eat snails and horses, fart the Marsellaise and wear a beret if it made me fit in. (Lazy stereotypical racism is so easy when you want to indulge...)
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If you are an EU citizen, the UK being a full member of the Union, surely it would be very difficult to be an illegal immigrant in France or Eire.
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So Nick Griffin is now an MEP.
Absolutely sickening.
Can't stop him attending the Queens Garden Party now then, can they
Of course they can. They will bring in some kind of law.
Whether we like it or not, the BNP have democratically won two seats, the questions are...how and why?
I saw the " impartial " BBC interview with Griffin last night, and whilst I like millions of others do not like their policies or their views, the BBC'S interview was biased and certainly NOT impartial. They were deliberatly goading him and bombarding him with questions, and twisting the things he was saying.
IF they had done that to one of the other leaders in an " impartial " interview they would have slated.
Democracy is what this country has stood for for years, and the sad fact is the BNP got in fair and square. What people have to do now, both legally and politically, is to find a way to stop it getting worse at an election.
People obviously hate the BNP but the sad fact is their share of the votes in Humber was a huge reversal against the other parties. After watching last night it is evident that the far right parties are on the move and the march.
How we stop this I do not know the answers, but if we do not find a way then the prediction is, that they will get seats in the Mother of all democrasies....the Houses of Parliament.
A scary thought and with them now gaining extra funding and extra press coverage from their victories last night, plus the fact of gaining strength in Europe with the other far right parties, it is a scary time for Britain and the very democracy millions have died for.
When you deny vast sections of your society political representation and hope,a political party will emerge that offers the easy answers in a palatable form.
In the UK at the moment that party is the BNP.
Whilst many people enjoyed the boom years millions of others became relatively poorer and more badly treated by our society.
Calling the BNP popularity a "protest vote" is lazy and insulting to anyone who chooses not to support the big two.
In the UK at the moment that party is the BNP.
Whilst many people enjoyed the boom years millions of others became relatively poorer and more badly treated by our society.
Calling the BNP popularity a "protest vote" is lazy and insulting to anyone who chooses not to support the big two.
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When you deny vast sections of your society political representation and hope,a political party will emerge that offers the easy answers in a palatable form.
In the UK at the moment that party is the BNP.
Whilst many people enjoyed the boom years millions of others became relatively poorer and more badly treated by our society.
Calling the BNP popularity a "protest vote" is lazy and insulting to anyone who chooses not to support the big two.
That is your opinion then? :idea:
Quote by benrums0n
When you deny vast sections of your society political representation and hope,a political party will emerge that offers the easy answers in a palatable form.
In the UK at the moment that party is the BNP.
Whilst many people enjoyed the boom years millions of others became relatively poorer and more badly treated by our society.
Calling the BNP popularity a "protest vote" is lazy and insulting to anyone who chooses not to support the big two.
So ben, what to do?
If you don't support either of "the big two" and choose not to vote, the BNP vote is enhanced as it is not negated.
It is those who choose not to vote who are perhaps lazy and I cannot see how it could be construed as insulting
Howdy GNV.
I think its lazy simply because politicians use the phrase to describe people who are voting and who are voting in a way they dont like ( which tends to be any way that isn't for them). To refer to somebody who has taken the simple effort to vote as a "protest vote" is extremely insulting. Less than half of the people eligible can be bothered to do that.
I hate the BNP from the bottom of my heart, unlike people, political organisations can be worth a little hate. If our incumbent political parties listen to the people who have voted for them rather than labelling those voters as "protesters" I still think this nasty shock might achieve something. The problem is the Tories under Cameron never will listen to these people and Broons Socialist Conservative party have forgotten how to. Ive never really understood who the Lib Dems listen to.
I am deeply disappointed with the Green party who could have really gone to town on the social issues at this election but instead continue to be the sort of "one issue" party that the BNP no longer are.
Libertie, Egalitie, Fraternitie
I think its lazy simply because politicians use the phrase to describe people who are voting and who are voting in a way they dont like ( which tends to be any way that isn't for them). To refer to somebody who has taken the simple effort to vote as a "protest vote" is extremely insulting. Less than half of the people eligible can be bothered to do that.
I hate the BNP from the bottom of my heart, unlike people, political organisations can be worth a little hate. If our incumbent political parties listen to the people who have voted for them rather than labelling those voters as "protesters" I still think this nasty shock might achieve something. The problem is the Tories under Cameron never will listen to these people and Broons Socialist Conservative party have forgotten how to. Ive never really understood who the Lib Dems listen to.
I am deeply disappointed with the Green party who could have really gone to town on the social issues at this election but instead continue to be the sort of "one issue" party that the BNP no longer are.
Libertie, Egalitie, Fraternitie
Sex God
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People obviously hate the BNP but the sad fact is their share of the votes in Humber was a huge reversal against the other parties. After watching last night it is evident that the far right parties are on the move and the march.
I'm a bit more optimistic than that Kenty. While it's true that their share of the vote as a percentage has almost doubled in some places, the BNP actually polled fewer votes this time round than at the previous European election. It's only the low turnout combined with the total collapse of the Labour vote in areas that have traditionally been Labour heartlands that has given them a victory here, but I don't see that as evidence that ex-Labour voters are genuinely moving to the extreme right.
I do not believe that the majority of those who did turn out for the BNP are truly fascists at heart. I suspect most of them simply feel betrayed by the government they helped to power, and have what they see as legitimate concerns that will now have to be addressed and challenged if mainstream political parties are to counter the BNP, not because those concerns are necessarily valid ones, but because mainstream politicians have done such a piss poor job of explaining themselves. Their campaign against the empty rhetoric of the BNP was almost non-existent, because they have not listened to why voters believe their concerns are legitimate, they have not put forward a proper case to oppose those concerns, or explain why and where they are wrong, and until the expenses fiasco really gathered steam they did not believe they would be given such a kicking at the polls, or that such a golden opportunity would be given them. It was a mistake not to take either their core vote or the BNP seriously. Now they might have to.
Neil x x x ;)
Issues are valid Neil, that you have expressed.
It is a fact though that the BNP are gaining strength and votes, for whatever the reason.
They now have two seats of which I did not feel they would get.
There are areas out there that COULD become seats in Paliament at the next election. In fact I would go as far to say, they probably will now get a seat at least.
Whatever anyone says they seem to be here to stay, and also it seems on the march. Worrying but some would say .... not suprising.
I wonder if any Governemnt will try and ban them, or let them continue. But one thing is for sure, after gaining their first two seats nothing will be the same again for the BNP, no matter what anyone does.
It is a fact though that the BNP are gaining strength and votes, for whatever the reason.
They now have two seats of which I did not feel they would get.
There are areas out there that COULD become seats in Paliament at the next election. In fact I would go as far to say, they probably will now get a seat at least.
Whatever anyone says they seem to be here to stay, and also it seems on the march. Worrying but some would say .... not suprising.
I wonder if any Governemnt will try and ban them, or let them continue. But one thing is for sure, after gaining their first two seats nothing will be the same again for the BNP, no matter what anyone does.
The BNP have been democraticly elected, they have not siezed power at gunpoint.
I for one would not vote for them, but I hope this is a wake up call for all the major parties.
The BNP are a racist party, however I feel that I, as a white british man i have been subjected to 'reverse' racisim by the current goverment.
It seems to me that the current goverment bend over backwards to help ethnic minoritys and ignore the white british population. That may not be true, but as mike dickens used to say "it does not matter what the truth is, it's what people believe to be the truth".
I for one would not vote for them, but I hope this is a wake up call for all the major parties.
The BNP are a racist party, however I feel that I, as a white british man i have been subjected to 'reverse' racisim by the current goverment.
It seems to me that the current goverment bend over backwards to help ethnic minoritys and ignore the white british population. That may not be true, but as mike dickens used to say "it does not matter what the truth is, it's what people believe to be the truth".
Actually, let me address the rest of this ...
This is only because you've allowed your thought processes to be manipulated by the right wing media and, as you say - it's belief rather than truth that matters.
Immigration is massively over-sensationalised by the papers, I think that the official figures show that that the immigrant population of britain has raised only very marginally since the 70s, the biggest influx being during conservative rule ... However, the press is controlled by the right wing, and they will say whatever it takes to attack the current government ... and it seems to be working and backfiring at the same time.
I don't dispute there is a need to manage immigration more effectively, but what the BNP do is create an utopian ideal of a a pre-war Britain the NEVER existed in the first place.
The same applies to political correctness too, we hear loads about "Christmas being banned" (and other such nonsense) and it only takes a little bit of research to find there's more to it than the media will have you believe ... either that or it's just plain bullshit.
Yes, the governments are duty bound to help ethnic minorities, but ethnicity isn't the issue ... it's because they're human beings, part of the human race, and they have needs just like any of the rest of us.
I can address this further, but it's silly o'clock, and ultimately people believe what they want to believe.
Racism is more about hatred than it is about politics.
Quote by browningI personally hope it's a wake up call for EVERYONE.
I for one would not vote for them, but I hope this is a wake up call for all the major parties.
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The BNP are a racist party, however I feel that I, as a white british man i have been subjected to 'reverse' racisim by the current goverment.
It seems to me that the current goverment bend over backwards to help ethnic minoritys and ignore the white british population. That may not be true, but as mike dickens used to say "it does not matter what the truth is, it's what people believe to be the truth".
This is only because you've allowed your thought processes to be manipulated by the right wing media and, as you say - it's belief rather than truth that matters.
Immigration is massively over-sensationalised by the papers, I think that the official figures show that that the immigrant population of britain has raised only very marginally since the 70s, the biggest influx being during conservative rule ... However, the press is controlled by the right wing, and they will say whatever it takes to attack the current government ... and it seems to be working and backfiring at the same time.
I don't dispute there is a need to manage immigration more effectively, but what the BNP do is create an utopian ideal of a a pre-war Britain the NEVER existed in the first place.
The same applies to political correctness too, we hear loads about "Christmas being banned" (and other such nonsense) and it only takes a little bit of research to find there's more to it than the media will have you believe ... either that or it's just plain bullshit.
Yes, the governments are duty bound to help ethnic minorities, but ethnicity isn't the issue ... it's because they're human beings, part of the human race, and they have needs just like any of the rest of us.
I can address this further, but it's silly o'clock, and ultimately people believe what they want to believe.
Racism is more about hatred than it is about politics.
The bnp will never get more than a few seats in the house of commons, the system doesn't allow that to happen. It never will until/unless the first-past-the-post electoral system is altered to some sort of proportional representation. Which is why they managed to "get" seats as meps'.
Their SHARE of the common vote will rise because they have played-down the racial part of their rhetoric and become more nationalist, trying to place themselves between the now right-of-centre labour party and the left-of-centre conservative party (how things have changed !).
Fortunately, there is not much room between a right-of-centre labour and a left-of-centre conservative party to occupy, and there is the first-past-the-post to overcome. Which they cannot, unless there is a complete collapse of voting (which won't happen since people traditionally use local elections as a protest) and general elections bring more people out to vote. The conservative vote usually holds-up quite well, labour voters tend to not bother that much !
Also, maybe you haven't noticed but the campaigning was very low-key this time......not much of it at all....
Their SHARE of the common vote will rise because they have played-down the racial part of their rhetoric and become more nationalist, trying to place themselves between the now right-of-centre labour party and the left-of-centre conservative party (how things have changed !).
Fortunately, there is not much room between a right-of-centre labour and a left-of-centre conservative party to occupy, and there is the first-past-the-post to overcome. Which they cannot, unless there is a complete collapse of voting (which won't happen since people traditionally use local elections as a protest) and general elections bring more people out to vote. The conservative vote usually holds-up quite well, labour voters tend to not bother that much !
Also, maybe you haven't noticed but the campaigning was very low-key this time......not much of it at all....
Quote by JTSHow do you know this for sure? To me that sounds like an excuse for complacency.
The bnp will never get more than a few seats in the house of commons, the system doesn't allow that to happen.
Apart from one nazi politician being too many, it wasn't so long ago that they didn't have a single councillor - They all said that Derek Beacon's victory was an anomaly, a protest vote - and while the BNP councillors don't tend to keep their jobs for long, their following has substantially increased over the last 20 years.
I don’t believe BNP has any place in our society, I feel we have come so far since the 70’s to integrate and became a cosmopolitan society for them to get any power could take us back years, to a place I wouldn’t want my child to be.
I am fed up with looking back and feeling we are going backwards instead of forwards, I blame it all on the government that for them their vision has always been a term in office and never look beyond that point.
It’s about time we had younger mp’s and lords if we have to have those too.
We need people that will possibility be around in the next 30 + years that see the future and strive towards that aim with longer thought out plans, then what we are getting now.
Take for instance as an example the craftsmen we had in this country once, drinks came in bottle made of glass that could be recycled. Shopping came in paper bags and food was wrapped in cardboard.
This isn’t a speech by any particular party but just by me that thinks it is about time we keep going forwards instead of going backwards.
After all we are all supposed to be more educated now than ever before, but I for one don’t always see this is being to good use.
I am fed up with looking back and feeling we are going backwards instead of forwards, I blame it all on the government that for them their vision has always been a term in office and never look beyond that point.
It’s about time we had younger mp’s and lords if we have to have those too.
We need people that will possibility be around in the next 30 + years that see the future and strive towards that aim with longer thought out plans, then what we are getting now.
Take for instance as an example the craftsmen we had in this country once, drinks came in bottle made of glass that could be recycled. Shopping came in paper bags and food was wrapped in cardboard.
This isn’t a speech by any particular party but just by me that thinks it is about time we keep going forwards instead of going backwards.
After all we are all supposed to be more educated now than ever before, but I for one don’t always see this is being to good use.
You only had to see the news last night to find out why people had voted for the BNP.
The interviewer was asking people why they had voted for them.
The main arguement that they used was quite simply.....immigration.
Whatever anyone may or may not say, vast ammounts of people think immigration has/is out of control. and it has to be curtailed. That is why most people voted for them.
Now others can say what they like about the " right wing " papers but, the hard facts are that people who voted for them, had immigrational issues at the top of their list.
I feel that we have had an " open door policy " on it for a number of years now, and yes the press jumped on the band wagon when it was reported that immigrants were being given jobs over British people but.....we employ a couple of Polish workers who have been in the UK for five years now and even they say they are finding it hard to find work because there are now so many Poles over here.
Immigrational issues are up there with education and health issues, and until people realise this is now peoples thinking, hence why the BNP are growing, they will continue to grow.
The interviewer was asking people why they had voted for them.
The main arguement that they used was quite simply.....immigration.
Whatever anyone may or may not say, vast ammounts of people think immigration has/is out of control. and it has to be curtailed. That is why most people voted for them.
Now others can say what they like about the " right wing " papers but, the hard facts are that people who voted for them, had immigrational issues at the top of their list.
I feel that we have had an " open door policy " on it for a number of years now, and yes the press jumped on the band wagon when it was reported that immigrants were being given jobs over British people but.....we employ a couple of Polish workers who have been in the UK for five years now and even they say they are finding it hard to find work because there are now so many Poles over here.
Immigrational issues are up there with education and health issues, and until people realise this is now peoples thinking, hence why the BNP are growing, they will continue to grow.
Quote by kentswingers777Ah, but before WW1 we really did have an open doors policy - and migration managed it's own levels.
I feel that we have had an " open door policy " on it for a number of years now, and yes the press jumped on the band wagon when it was reported that immigrants were being given jobs over British people but.....we employ a couple of Polish workers who have been in the UK for five years now and even they say they are finding it hard to find work because there are now so many Poles over here.
There are currently 6 million brits working overseas ... Fact of the matter is, we cannot sustain our economy without migrant workers, we've got more under 18's than ever before, and people are living longer, so keeping them is costing more.
Yes, we're densely populated and yes there are some areas where the concentration of immigrants is disproportionate ... we do have a lot of workers coming in, but we need them to keep the aforementioned supported.
Seriously, people who vote for the BNP are just plain stupid. It's not about immigration, it's about racism and jingoistic nationalism that's been thinly disguised as politics. Every BNP voter I have met have had an irrational fear of "england being overrun by immigrants speaking their own fucking language" and then claimed they weren’t being racist - they also rarely know a thing about the rest of their manifesto.
The BNP sickens me, they play on people's worst fears and exaggerate it into hatred - it's like poison. People aren't born racist but they get influenced when others poison their minds (it could even come from their parents). Making excuses for the BNP is like making an excuse for cancer.
The Closed List System, which was used for the Euro Elections, is the worst form of proportional system the Government could have chosen, which is why the bnp got two elected.
It is possible they may win seats in a general election, but only if the turnout is very low and there is a switch of party from those who vote.
Who cares ?
The country is not run by those elected, but by those shining the seat of their pants in civil service offices.
It is possible they may win seats in a general election, but only if the turnout is very low and there is a switch of party from those who vote.
Who cares ?
The country is not run by those elected, but by those shining the seat of their pants in civil service offices.
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The Closed List System, which was used for the Euro Elections, is the worst form of proportional system the Government could have chosen, which is why the bnp got two elected.
It is possible they may win seats in a general election, but only if the turnout is very low and there is a switch of party from those who vote.
Who cares ?
The country is not run by those elected, but by those shining the seat of their pants in civil service offices.
The Euro election system is the same over the whole of Europe I think..
browning wrote:
I feel that I, as a white British man I have been subjected to 'reverse' racism by the current government.
As a NON white British man (my father is white British, so was his father etc – my mother was a British subject but not white) I find that I am discriminated against by the current government because I am not in need of the extra help that some parts of our society require.
Britain has benefited hugely from links with other countries in peace time and in war time. People from all sorts of ethnic backgrounds have fought and lost their life for this country. Britain would not have been great if it wasn’t for these countries and what they offered.
I am proud to be who I am and to be called British.
I do think that immigration needs to be controlled however I don’t feel that this should be based on the colour of a person’s skin.
If I was a white British man with a white polish mother then I would probably be accepted as a BNP member however because of my skin colour I am not. Voting for them is purely a racist action and you would have to be pretty ignorant to think otherwise (in my view).
The BNP in its own words:
I feel that I, as a white British man I have been subjected to 'reverse' racism by the current government.
As a NON white British man (my father is white British, so was his father etc – my mother was a British subject but not white) I find that I am discriminated against by the current government because I am not in need of the extra help that some parts of our society require.
Britain has benefited hugely from links with other countries in peace time and in war time. People from all sorts of ethnic backgrounds have fought and lost their life for this country. Britain would not have been great if it wasn’t for these countries and what they offered.
I am proud to be who I am and to be called British.
I do think that immigration needs to be controlled however I don’t feel that this should be based on the colour of a person’s skin.
If I was a white British man with a white polish mother then I would probably be accepted as a BNP member however because of my skin colour I am not. Voting for them is purely a racist action and you would have to be pretty ignorant to think otherwise (in my view).
The BNP in its own words:
Good post lovems.
TBH, people who voted for the BNP will probably not vote for them in a general election.
Although the BNP are against uncontrolled imigration and are clearly aracist party, they do have some(I believe) sensible ideas.
Deport foriegn nationals who have commited crime.
Put coppers back on the streets and out of cars.
Death penalty.
Withdraw EU funding.
Abide by the UN treaty on asylum. IE, people should claim asylum in the first SAFE country they come to.
I'm not saying I agree with all off what the BNP say, but can understand why people vote for them.
TBH, people who voted for the BNP will probably not vote for them in a general election.
Although the BNP are against uncontrolled imigration and are clearly aracist party, they do have some(I believe) sensible ideas.
Deport foriegn nationals who have commited crime.
Put coppers back on the streets and out of cars.
Death penalty.
Withdraw EU funding.
Abide by the UN treaty on asylum. IE, people should claim asylum in the first SAFE country they come to.
I'm not saying I agree with all off what the BNP say, but can understand why people vote for them.
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Good post lovems.
TBH, people who voted for the BNP will probably not vote for them in a general election.
Although the BNP are against uncontrolled imigration and are clearly aracist party, they do have some(I believe) sensible ideas.
Deport foriegn nationals who have commited crime.
Put coppers back on the streets and out of cars.
Death penalty.
Withdraw EU funding.
Abide by the UN treaty on asylum. IE, people should claim asylum in the first SAFE country they come to.
I'm not saying I agree with all off what the BNP say, but can understand why people vote for them.
You see there lies one of the problems. Apart from a few people, the vast majority who voted BNP, would never admit to it in public.
Imagine if somebody on this site said " yes I voted for them ". You can just imagine the backlash. Plus there could be a possibilty of action from the owners.
This only leads it to underground levels, which is far more dangerous.
Can you imagine when the names of BNP members were released to the press, had something like that have happened to one of the two major parties, what would have happened? There would have been the police involved, and all sorts of action.
I believe in fairness and everyone treated the same. No matter what colour or creed you happen to be but....we know now that is NOT the case.
I take a step back sometimes and I can see why people vote/voted for them.
But the sorry part is that you are treated like a scum bag if you was to admit it. What happened to democracy inhj this country?
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Deport foriegn nationals who have commited crime.
As long as they don't send ours back!
Put coppers back on the streets and out of cars.
Good plan
Death penalty.
Would you switch the chair on-not knowing for sure?
Withdraw EU funding.
I don't know enough about this to comment
Abide by the UN treaty on asylum. IE, people should claim asylum in the first SAFE country they come to.
Sounds reasonable
I'm not saying I agree with all off what the BNP say, but can understand why people vote for them.
Unfortunately the same can be said of Hitler - Lots of good policies that got Germany out of a bad situation - one or two bad ones that got a lot of people killed.
Maybe they should have voted for a party with the same ideals but that represented all of the British people.
Quote from the Guardian article:
The party leader, Nick Griffin, was more blunt when Sky asked how the party could tell if someone was British. "You just look and you just know," he said.
(blond hair and blue eyes anybody?)
You don't have to look too hard to see what they are about-justifying voting for them because they want coppers back on the street is not a very bright idea.
Sexlightened
All this talk about the BNP being "nasty rough men" or what have you and throwing eggs etc still will not solve any issues, the hard fact is that people voted for them largely as a result of succesive governements failure to control immigration, and then attempt to cover up this failure with spin.
According to the Migration Watch website ( ) set up by Sir Andrew Green, ex ambassador to Syria, immigration will add 7 million people to the English population over the next 20 years, thats 7 times the population of Birmingham - like it or not the UK people don't like this happening, and unless the govt does something meaningful about it, then the BNP will just get stronger and race relations deteriorate.
Its worth mentioning that many ethnic communities also oppose further mass immigration, so it can hardly be called "racist" !
According to the Migration Watch website ( ) set up by Sir Andrew Green, ex ambassador to Syria, immigration will add 7 million people to the English population over the next 20 years, thats 7 times the population of Birmingham - like it or not the UK people don't like this happening, and unless the govt does something meaningful about it, then the BNP will just get stronger and race relations deteriorate.
Its worth mentioning that many ethnic communities also oppose further mass immigration, so it can hardly be called "racist" !
