Beggars

18 Sep 2010

Was appaalled to see that a beggar who sponges off the state and earns nearly 25K a year begging(Paying zero taxes) is given a slapped wrist when fined.
I have a son seving in Afghanistan who will be over the moon to hear a beggar gets more than him. Yes our servicemen do pay taxes.
It's time this country woke up and started to smell the is an under class who think it is a god given right to drain our overstretched resources. They use the time honoured line....."but I 'm entitled".
The pot of gold is not limitless. It's made up of our taxmoney.
With defense and police spending facing a 20% cut , maybe it's time the idle suffer a similar fate.
But silly me....."They are enitled!!!"

18 Sep 2010

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the pm.
You will find though that not a lot of people will necessarily agree with your comments above on this forum, but I am in 100% in agreement with you.

18 Sep 2010

Quote by Peter242male
Was appaalled to see that a beggar who sponges off the state and earns nearly 25K a year begging(Paying zero taxes) is given a slapped wrist when fined.
I have a son seving in Afghanistan who will be over the moon to hear a beggar gets more than him. Yes our servicemen do pay taxes.
It's time this country woke up and started to smell the is an under class who think it is a god given right to drain our overstretched resources. They use the time honoured line....."but I 'm entitled".
The pot of gold is not limitless. It's made up of our taxmoney.
With defense and police spending facing a 20% cut , maybe it's time the idle suffer a similar fate.
But silly me....."They are enitled!!!"

He doesn't actually earn £25k though - that's what some newspaper body extrapolated from one day's begging 'income'. There was a thread about him not so long ago - have a look for it if you want to see other comments.

18 Sep 2010

Ok 23 grand then, as a rough estimate.
I think the posters points were clear here, a beggar can earn 23 grand a year, more than his Son fighting in Afghanistan.
I will let people decide for themselves if that is an acceptable policy.
I wonder out of interest though.....did he declare he was working and earning money to be able to claim his benefits???
He says.... "At least I never turned to shoplifting or burgling people's homes."
Oh that's alright then. What about doing what millions of us have to do every day, and get up and go to work? That is proper work where you pay tax!

18 Sep 2010

Sometimes I admit people do make things up just to make a point. :twisted:
So how was Thailand ? :rascal:

18 Sep 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Sometimes I admit people do make things up just to make a point. :twisted:
So how was Thailand ? :rascal:

i was 23, i said no,bloody morals lol

beggars belief!

18 Sep 2010

Quote by Peter242male
Was appaalled to see that a beggar who sponges off the state and earns nearly 25K a year begging(Paying zero taxes) is given a slapped wrist when fined.
I have a son seving in Afghanistan who will be over the moon to hear a beggar gets more than him. Yes our servicemen do pay taxes.
It's time this country woke up and started to smell the is an under class who think it is a god given right to drain our overstretched resources. They use the time honoured line....."but I 'm entitled".
The pot of gold is not limitless. It's made up of our taxmoney.
With defense and police spending facing a 20% cut , maybe it's time the idle suffer a similar fate.
But silly me....."They are enitled!!!"

You're generalizing from the specific. I don't blame you, but the idea that you can use this case to identify that benefits should be cut by 20% is anger speaking, not reason.
This guy should have his benefits cut. No reason not to really. But we have to decide what we do with people who want to live outside the system in this way. I remember a Big Issue seller back in the 90s who made a good living selling the Big Issue, and was similarly notorious. (He was a scotsman known as Ginger John who was well known in the north east.) Because of him lots of 'genuine' Big issue sellers suffered; I'm not sure the state had an answer to Ginger John, and I'm not sure it has a palatable solution to lots of these other cases. they're always wheeled out when the Tories want to cut the benefits of all the poor.

18 Sep 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Sometimes I admit people do make things up just to make a point. :twisted:
So how was Thailand ? :rascal:

i was 23, i said no,bloody morals lol

beggars belief!
rotflmao

G the bastard thing now is i get offers,would take them up but have to point out they need to be able to accomadate kev and the kids too!
The moral of this tale,never turn down a free holiday!
Fuck Mrs777 has not even been offered a bag of crisps.....must be doing something wrong I reckon.,

18 Sep 2010

Quote by awayman
they're always wheeled out when the Tories want to cut the benefits of all the poor.

Funny how they all go back into hiding the first signs of a Labour Government eh?
Strange that.

18 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
they're always wheeled out when the Tories want to cut the benefits of all the poor.

Funny how they all go back into hiding the first signs of a Labour Government eh?
Strange that.
Propaganda's like that Ken...

18 Sep 2010

Quote by Kaznkev
Was appaalled to see that a beggar who sponges off the state and earns nearly 25K a year begging(Paying zero taxes) is given a slapped wrist when fined.
I have a son seving in Afghanistan who will be over the moon to hear a beggar gets more than him. Yes our servicemen do pay taxes.
It's time this country woke up and started to smell the is an under class who think it is a god given right to drain our overstretched resources. They use the time honoured line....."but I 'm entitled".
The pot of gold is not limitless. It's made up of our taxmoney.
With defense and police spending facing a 20% cut , maybe it's time the idle suffer a similar fate.
But silly me....."They are enitled!!!"

You're generalizing from the specific. I don't blame you, but the idea that you can use this case to identify that benefits should be cut by 20% is anger speaking, not reason.
This guy should have his benefits cut. No reason not to really. But we have to decide what we do with people who want to live outside the system in this way. I remember a Big Issue seller back in the 90s who made a good living selling the Big Issue, and was similarly notorious. (He was a scotsman known as Ginger John who was well known in the north east.) Because of him lots of 'genuine' Big issue sellers suffered; I'm not sure the state had an answer to Ginger John, and I'm not sure it has a palatable solution to lots of these other cases. they're always wheeled out when the Tories want to cut the benefits of all the poor.
You see when i hear stories like this i always remember one my Grandad told me.
In the 20's there was a match seller at Greys Monument(Granda grew up very near).They were basically a beggar,people bought the matches out of pity,or whatever other emotion motivated them.
The match seller was good for banter,and kids like my grandad grew used to the sight of her bundled up in all weather.
When she died it was discovered she had thousands in the reaction then,from someone who shared shoes with his brothers and grew up 10 children in a bed was that there was really nowt as queer as judgement,or demand for retribution,
Perhaps we have lost a compassion his generation had,or perhaps the idea that there but for the grace of god go i.
Either way i think it diminishes us as a society
You have a valid point Kaz, I have no problem giving my money, what little I have away, for me the difference comes when the Government take it and decide who are most deserving, and perhaps, in my view get it wrong. some how if I get it wrong does not seam as bad as a third party getting it wrong dunno

19 Sep 2010

He can onlk earn that money begging because people are stupid enough to give him money!

19 Sep 2010

if the guy can get out of bed and go begging then why cant he get up and go to work dunno

19 Sep 2010

Quote by Lizaleanrob
if the guy can get out of bed and go begging then why cant he get up and go to work

Perish the thought Rob.........what work?
When you can play the system with whatever disorder springs to mind?
Perish the thought indeedy.
Still hopefully this new Government will see through his bollox and FORCE him back to work.....real soon.

19 Sep 2010

Quote by kentswingers777
if the guy can get out of bed and go begging then why cant he get up and go to work

Perish the thought Rob.........what work?
When you can play the system with whatever disorder springs to mind?
Perish the thought indeedy.
Still hopefully this new Government will see through his bollox and FORCE him back to work.....real soon.
Go on, I know I'm daft to ask, but tell us how this forcing people back to work is going to work...

19 Sep 2010

Quote by awayman
if the guy can get out of bed and go begging then why cant he get up and go to work

Perish the thought Rob.........what work?
When you can play the system with whatever disorder springs to mind?
Perish the thought indeedy.
Still hopefully this new Government will see through his bollox and FORCE him back to work.....real soon.
Go on, I know I'm daft to ask, but tell us how this forcing people back to work is going to work...
I would be the daft one to even get into an encounter with someone who constantly wants to nit pick everything so....I think I will take a rain check on answering you, if that is ok.
Have a very nice Sunday.

19 Sep 2010

Quote by awayman
if the guy can get out of bed and go begging then why cant he get up and go to work

Perish the thought Rob.........what work?
When you can play the system with whatever disorder springs to mind?
Perish the thought indeedy.
Still hopefully this new Government will see through his bollox and FORCE him back to work.....real soon.
Go on, I know I'm daft to ask, but tell us how this forcing people back to work is going to work...
1.5 million jobs available in the uk
1.5 million people paying tax and ni contributions per week even at a tenner p/p thats 15 million a week in the coffers
against taking out 60-90 million a week :dunno:

19 Sep 2010

Well he has made a few bob for himself...

Are you possibly saying that Doctors are always right and are never hoodwinked?
I refer you to the classic case of a DOCTOR, you know a medical professional, who failed to spot a broken back in a child in the baby P case.
I really do not want to do a Google and find pages of Doctors who have been useless or hoodwinked....there are many.
This is rather interesting I feel...