Bl**dy outsider's

7 May 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

It doesn't quite work like that Star. A person moving to a place can have a noise complaint, even if the noise emittors have been doing it for years.
Dave_Notts

but in this case mr notts the new peeple issued a complaint and then tried to stop that complaint. it seems once in motion that complaint cannot be stopped.
so they move there, get annoyed by the bells, issues a complaint, and then when it naturally pisses all there new neighbours off they then try to rescind the original complaint.
i hope the peeple who have been there for years, send these snivelling brits to coventry. :rascal:
They only tried to stop their complaint because some of the good Christian locals, were making their lives a misery, maybe the church won't appeal because even they believe church bells ringing during the night was a bit OTT.

7 May 2012

Quote by Dave__Notts
I, on the other hand see nothing wrong with this kind of reporting
Shame on the complainer, I say

The freedom of this country is be able to enjoy your home without outside interference. The complainer was exercising their right under british law. However, the church have not exercised their right to appeal. The shame is on the church, not the complainant.
Dave_Notts
Yes as you say, from a legal perspective you are correct, I have never said otherwise.
But I do not agree with the law. I feel if some one is silly enough to buy a house next to a giant bell and then be supprised when the bloody thing rings, is stupidity on there part and should be told hard luck!
In my view it is very sad to see people move into, what they first see as a "quaint village", and then try to change the village as it was not what they thought after all.

7 May 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

It doesn't quite work like that Star. A person moving to a place can have a noise complaint, even if the noise emittors have been doing it for years.
Dave_Notts

but in this case mr notts the new peeple issued a complaint and then tried to stop that complaint. it seems once in motion that complaint cannot be stopped.
so they move there, get annoyed by the bells, issues a complaint, and then when it naturally pisses all there new neighbours off they then try to rescind the original complaint.
i hope the peeple who have been there for years, send these snivelling brits to coventry. :rascal:
A notice does not stop noise. It tells the emittor that if the complainant makes another complaint and this is substantiated by a witness visit, then legal action could be taken. The council cannot revoke a notice. Only the court can revoke it if an appeal is lodged.
How does the complainant prevent the legal action? Don't make another complaint. Simples
E.g. even if the bells are rung at 3 o'clock in the morning and it is witnessed by the council, a nuisance is not being caused as nobody has come forward to say they are affected by the noise.
Dave_Notts

7 May 2012

Quote by Mr-Powers
They only tried to stop their complaint because some of the good Christian locals, were making their lives a misery, maybe the church won't appeal because even they believe church bells ringing during the night was a bit OTT.

:thumbup:
Dave_Notts

7 May 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009
Yes as you say, from a legal perspective you are correct, I have never said otherwise.
But I do not agree with the law. I feel if some one is silly enough to buy a house next to a giant bell and then be supprised when the bloody thing rings, is stupidity on there part and should be told hard luck!
In my view it is very sad to see people move into, what they first see as a "quaint village", and then try to change the village as it was not what they thought after all.

For the bit in bold, tough I am afraid Blue. The law is black and white on this point.
Dave_Notts

7 May 2012

The church bell in our town church rings every 30 mins. So far no one has felt the need to complain about it, I suspect though, some miserable new comer will spoil it eventually.

7 May 2012

Quote by Dave__Notts
Yes as you say, from a legal perspective you are correct, I have never said otherwise.
But I do not agree with the law. I feel if some one is silly enough to buy a house next to a giant bell and then be supprised when the bloody thing rings, is stupidity on there part and should be told hard luck!
In my view it is very sad to see people move into, what they first see as a "quaint village", and then try to change the village as it was not what they thought after all.

For the bit in bold, tough I am afraid Blue. The law is black and white on this point.
Dave_Notts
Yes, you are quite correct, but it will never stop me championing those who i see as the real victims lol

Which is what I have just done in this thread. I stand by what I said above in red.
Further to that,
All those that move next to a farm and don't like the noise, animals and smells. In my view should be told hard luck

7 May 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009
The church bell in our town church rings every 30 mins. So far no one has felt the need to complain about it, I suspect though, some miserable new comer will spoil it eventually.

Perhaps some want to complain but feel intimidated.

7 May 2012

Quote by Mr-Powers
The church bell in our town church rings every 30 mins. So far no one has felt the need to complain about it, I suspect though, some miserable new comer will spoil it eventually.

Perhaps some want to complain but feel intimidated.
Intimidated. By the Church? An outdated, tainted organisation that can't even decide whether to allow women to be Bishops and yet employ a gay Arch-Bish?

7 May 2012

what is so funny in this thread is someone ( mr notts ) :giggle: said this was not a newsworthy story , seems many peeple in here seem to think it is. lol

7 May 2012

Quote by Mr-Powers
The church bell in our town church rings every 30 mins. So far no one has felt the need to complain about it, I suspect though, some miserable new comer will spoil it eventually.

Perhaps some want to complain but feel intimidated.
Be afraid, be very afraid

7 May 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
what is so funny in this thread is someone ( mr notts ) :giggle: said this was not a newsworthy story , seems many peeple in here seem to think it is.

It is a story that have led some by the nose, a bit like the Big Mac story. Just because people read it doesn't make it newsworthy. Just lazy journalism not getting to the core of the story.
I read these stories all the time and just shake my head in resignation at how easily people are led. Whipping them up into a frenzy over something they weren't given all the facts about. Unfortunately I also believe some of these stories, especially on subjects that I do not know about. That is why I like this forum as there are so many people from different areas that can give another perspective about it. At that point I get an "Ahhhhh now that makes sense" moment.
Dave_Notts

7 May 2012

Quote by foxylady2209
The church bell in our town church rings every 30 mins. So far no one has felt the need to complain about it, I suspect though, some miserable new comer will spoil it eventually.

Perhaps some want to complain but feel intimidated.
Intimidated. By the Church? An outdated, tainted organisation that can't even decide whether to allow women to be Bishops and yet employ a gay Arch-Bish?
But like all other religions, there is always the extremists!

7 May 2012

Quote by Bluefish2009
The church bell in our town church rings every 30 mins. So far no one has felt the need to complain about it, I suspect though, some miserable new comer will spoil it eventually.

Perhaps some want to complain but feel intimidated.
Be afraid, be very afraid

So you never watched Midsummer Murders?

8 May 2012

Quote by starlightcouple

Must have been a no news day for this to get in the papers
Dave_Notts

well i would agree with you but, one persons news is not always someone elses news.
because a person deems that a news article does not make them sit up, another group of peeple will find it interesting. obviously you do not find it interesting, but bluefish obviously did as he would not have posted it otherwise.
horses for course it would seem mr notts on this occasion. :thumbup:
Absolutely and totally agree lol

8 May 2012

Quote by Mr-Powers
So you never watched Midsummer Murders?

No

8 May 2012

Quote by Dave__Notts
what is so funny in this thread is someone ( mr notts ) :giggle: said this was not a newsworthy story , seems many peeple in here seem to think it is.

It is a story that have led some by the nose, a bit like the Big Mac story. Just because people read it doesn't make it newsworthy. Just lazy journalism not getting to the core of the story.
I read these stories all the time and just shake my head in resignation at how easily people are led. Whipping them up into a frenzy over something they weren't given all the facts about. Unfortunately I also believe some of these stories, especially on subjects that I do not know about. That is why I like this forum as there are so many people from different areas that can give another perspective about it. At that point I get an "Ahhhhh now that makes sense" moment.
Dave_Notts
And, just because you don't like it does not make it any less newsworthy. Your first statement above is very sweeping. Some of us are lesser beings because we don't see things your way? I think we are all capable of sorting the wheat from the chafe
I do not believe any one has been lead any where, my view on this kind of thing has never changed. It has been the same view as long as I can remember.
If some one is silly enough to move next door to some thing they don't like, I would tell them "hard luck you silly billy"!

8 May 2012

Britain's prettiest villages becoming 'rich people’s ghettoes'
One village where the housing market has had a drastic effect on the local community is the village of Chapel Stile in the Lake District.
According to Mark Squires, the local headmaster, none of the parents of the 39 pupils at the village school or any of the teachers is able to afford to buy a home in the catchment area.
He said the village’s 200 or so residents are squeezed into only 20 per cent of the houses and it was not unusual for young adults to remain with their own parents even when they have children of their own.
“It is almost like living in a film set,” he said.
“It looks lovely and it is lovely but there are an awful lot of gaps in the local community.”
“William Summers, campaigns officer, for the National Housing Federation said: “Young families and lower income earners are being priced out of villages where they grew up and forced to move to cheaper, more urban areas.
“When they leave, the shops and services they support often disappear.
“To preserve the countryside for everyone to enjoy we need to make sure it’s affordable for people who live and work there all year round, not just the wealthy. “More affordable homes can make a real difference and give a village a whole new lease of life.”

And then they want to stop the bells ringing wink

8 May 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
I quite like the sound of church bells ringing on a Sunday morning, but at my last home I thought about campaigning to have them outlawed in the UK, why, because I lived within earshot of no less than 3 mosques, I was worried that the right to ring church bells would give mosques the right to sing out the call to prayer on the loudspeakers they use in other countries, how many times a day is it that they sound the call to prayer, it would have drove me mad, now I live neither near a church or a mosque so sod the rest of people it wont affect me anymore

Just a wee FYI, not all Arab countries "sound" the Azan(call for prayer) in the same tone, some countries it sounds harsher than others..I grew up In Lebanon, with about 2 mosques within earshot and by golly it was sometimes spine-tingling..You never tend to pay much attention to it through out the day with the hustle and bustle of city noise. But sometimes, I would wake up at around 5am, around the time of the Dawn call for prayer. City is completely still, the Sheikh had an AMAZING voice and did a beautiful rendition, and as it echoed..it gave you goosebumps..whatever your belief..
Not quite the experience you would have here in the Uk I accept ;)

8 May 2012

Quote by M1ssVery
I quite like the sound of church bells ringing on a Sunday morning, but at my last home I thought about campaigning to have them outlawed in the UK, why, because I lived within earshot of no less than 3 mosques, I was worried that the right to ring church bells would give mosques the right to sing out the call to prayer on the loudspeakers they use in other countries, how many times a day is it that they sound the call to prayer, it would have drove me mad, now I live neither near a church or a mosque so sod the rest of people it wont affect me anymore

Just a wee FYI, not all Arab countries "sound" the Azan(call for prayer) in the same tone, some countries it sounds harsher than others..I grew up In Lebanon, with about 2 mosques within earshot and by golly it was sometimes spine-tingling..You never tend to pay much attention to it through out the day with the hustle and bustle of city noise. But sometimes, I would wake up at around 5am, around the time of the Dawn call for prayer. City is completely still, the Sheikh had an AMAZING voice and did a beautiful rendition, and as it echoed..it gave you goosebumps..whatever your belief..
Not quite the experience you would have here in the Uk I accept ;)
I find it strange and fascinating. What can be a noise nuisance to one can sound beautiful or enchanting to another.

9 May 2012

Quote by MartnJewl

Haha excellent!

9 May 2012

In a nutshell, any noise that stops you enjoying your property could be a nuisance. However, there are some excemptions within the law. So it is irrelevant if someone else likes the noise, but it can be used in mitigation as the courts make the final decision.
In this topic, only looking at one side of the story reminds me of this
If some wish to be led then they just need to listen to part of the story, but if they want to form an opinion they need the whole story. In this story only one side was reported.
The crux of the matter is that the reports on this story and similar ones always point towards tradition and custom. Yet fail to mention that tort and common law (where noise nuisance comes from) comes from early English law that predates any of the noise emitting customs.
Mr Powers may have hit the nail on the head with why the church has not appealed. It could be that even they think that chiming throughout the night is unreasonable.
However, if I lived next to the church I would sleep right through it...............but not everybody would
Dave_Notts

9 May 2012

Quote by Dave__Notts
In a nutshell, any noise that stops you enjoying your property could be a nuisance. However, there are some excemptions within the law. So it is irrelevant if someone else likes the noise, but it can be used in mitigation as the courts make the final decision.
In this topic, only looking at one side of the story reminds me of this
If some wish to be led then they just need to listen to part of the story, but if they want to form an opinion they need the whole story. In this story only one side was reported.
The crux of the matter is that the reports on this story and similar ones always point towards tradition and custom. Yet fail to mention that tort and common law (where noise nuisance comes from) comes from early English law that predates any of the noise emitting customs.
Mr Powers may have hit the nail on the head with why the church has not appealed. It could be that even they think that chiming throughout the night is unreasonable.
However, if I lived next to the church I would sleep right through it...............but not everybody would
Dave_Notts

Let me take, just this one small point. My view is this, put the law to one side... If you are a person who can not sleep through such things, why but a house, near a church and then spoil what others enjoy?
It seams so obvious to me.
What this point's to for me is people's stupidity, and they should not be aloud to inflict there short failings on others.

9 May 2012

I would agree of sorts Blue. However, the story said the chimes were not working when they viewed and bought the house. If this was the case then they have every right to complain. If the church or other villagers that want to keep the noise then they should all club together and reimburse the money that this family wasted by moving. That is also fair and reasonable.
If they are unwilling to do this, then the family can only resort to law. That is also fair and reasonable.
Dave_Notts

9 May 2012

Quote by Dave__Notts
I would agree of sorts Blue. However, the story said the chimes were not working when they viewed and bought the house. If this was the case then they have every right to complain. If the church or other villagers that want to keep the noise then they should all club together and reimburse the money that this family wasted by moving. That is also fair and reasonable.
If they are unwilling to do this, then the family can only resort to law. That is also fair and reasonable.
Dave_Notts

The people next to me never used to have a car, which they start and drive of in in the early hours every morning, but they always had a drive way to put one in.
Almost all churches have bells, a very large percentage have clocks that chime, were they really this short sighted?

9 May 2012

You view a house, you revisit, you then buy, live in it for a month and a half and then the chimes start. Are they psychic?
Common sense would be to do what they did. I would say that was reasonable.
Dave_Notts

10 May 2012

yep bloody outsiders

this is a local shop for local people :lol2::lol2:

10 May 2012

Quote by Dave__Notts
You view a house, you revisit, you then buy, live in it for a month and a half and then the chimes start. Are they psychic?
Common sense would be to do what they did. I would say that was reasonable.
Dave_Notts

is there now not a law in place mr Notts where a seller has to disclose certain information to the buyer? i cannot remember what it is called now.
was the seller lawful in not disclosing the noise of constant bell chiming? should the buyers have asked about any noise issues in the area? did they ask and the seller kept silent? there are laws in place now where things have to be disclosed IF there is a problem in the area.
if i was to move from here and the noise it comes with, i would make sure that my new house would not have any additional noise, noisy neighbours, a dozen tractors coming past your front door every half an hour etc.
where do peeple stand with noise issues or bad neighbours now, with respect of the new disclosure laws?

10 May 2012

Quote by Dave__Notts
You view a house, you revisit, you then buy, live in it for a month and a half and then the chimes start. Are they psychic?
Common sense would be to do what they did. I would say that was reasonable.
Dave_Notts

I think if you move next door to, what is to all intense and purpose, a giant bell, and you are then surprised when the bugger rings...... wink

What happens if these people move in next to the M25 and the traffic keeps them awake at night, is the law still black and white? Will they close the road?
Or under a flight path, is the law still black and white, will they close the airport?
I guess Dave we will have to agree to disagree. :giveup: