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Quote by flower411
So a few SH members have voted BNP in the past, well you can add my name to that list, I did however have a few questions to ask them before they got my vote. As a bit of a bad lad back in the 1980's I knew a lot of other football hooligans who supported the NF or the newly formed BNP, the only difference between the two back then was that the Chairman (a man from Hove caller Tyndall) was in total control of the BNP while the NF had a national directorate. John Tyndall had created the BNP after being told when he was NF chairman that he was not allowed to expell a guy called Martin Webster for being gay. Webster was also on their directorate and in a rage Tyndall resigned from the NF and started his own party. That ladies and gentlemen is why we have a BNP here in Britain.
So armed with prior knowlege I emailed them a few questions.
Do they still have a problem with gay people? The answer was no, but they didn't want chidren as young as five learning about sex including gay.
Has your old policy of enforced repatriation really been abandoned for good? And is there oposition to this among the rank and file. The answer was, yes that policy was dropped over ten years ago and those who had a real problem with that have been removedfrom the party.
Is the BNP all about the love of our own or the hatred of others? The answer was that their is no longer any place for hatred in the BNP.
Are there still Nazis and Hitler worshipers in the BNP and have you stopped the conspiracy theories about the Jews? The answer was, we have zero tolerance of Nazis and anyone espousing such rubish is expelled immediately, we have nothing against Jewish people take for example our Jewish councillor in Epping Forest.
There are obviously issues that concern me, but I felt at the time they were the best of a bad bunch. I don't like Griffin, that is personal, he still had his silly moustache when I met him, I thought his performance on QT was weak but couldn't help feeling sorry for him.
I guess I shall now be subjected to all kinds of abusive messages, the world we live in!!

I hope you haven`t received any abusive messages.
You`ve obviously thought hard about what you`ve said and what you`ve done and all of the above is pretty consistant with other views that you have put forward on here in the past.
I don`t think anybody generally gets abuse when their views are put forward in a measured, polite and consistant manner :thumbup:
AFAIK no hostility has come my way in the four or five years that I've been a member here. The trouble is... Well they put a Current Affairs forum on here, and when it comes to political debate temptation gets the better of me.
If indeed Swinging Heaven is a place where members can voice an opinion without the usual crap from the "usual suspects", then one is inclined to believe that we have a better class of poster on here than I have had the misfortune of debating previously.
IMHO this particular forum would be crap without our daily dose of Flower Vs Kenty, that is the highlight reel! :0)
Max777
Sex God
Quote by Lost

Ok Max you have a point, but all I was saying is that housing within the working classes in general has always been a problem it is nothing new. Look back over history, I do indeed feel a lot of factors add to the causes now and it isn't just immigration. So we can't just always blame it on those reasons for lack of it.

I think your right there Minx. Although i would go as far as too say that subjugation of the poor is important to keep the rich and powerful where they are. Housing is just another means to manipulate the wealth of the poor.
I attended a group interview the other day in Bristol and one of the group, a youngish single diabled mother of two from Cornwall, had after 4 years just been allocated her first proper home by a local association. she kept on saing to the interviewers how "priviledged" she was Privildeged! for goodness sake, to go into social housing f*ck me what a way to think of it Fortunate yes, lucky yes but priviledged.
Oh and thats another thing. Its not now that people live in council or housing associations we're to call it social housing now and those who are in need of social housing. Just more labels to keep people thinking they're "priviledged".
Jesus I'm becoming more and more jaded and cynical as time goes on.
Minx, the point I was trying to make is that surely we should be trying to improve the situation, not just accept our lot as that's how things have always been.
I have never said that immigration is the sole reason for the problems we are discussing, what I have said is that this government's open door policy has exacerbated the already acute housing shortage. The simple fact is that successive governments have not invested in social housing/council houses ( call it what you will) and therefore insufficient new houses have been built to keep pace with the ever growing population. As the population is set to continue growing, of which immigration is a part, this problem will only get worse unless some government actually starts building new houses. Until then, the poor sods waiting for houses will probably continue to feel "privileged" when they at last get one.
Al1963
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kiss Minxy I agree with you
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Where seven to ten people were cramped into one room.

Quote by soul-girl
This is happening to British families, due to lack of council housig and housing being repossed you end up living in a bed & breakfast for months on end with your kids - something I will have to face in the near future.

This has always happened to the working classes, I don’t see it as it has been a problem since immigration.My points minxy are that:

People don't just come in country today and then automatically aquire housing and get paid benefits tomorrow.
The people that do come here her lived in cramped and overcrowed conditions.
These people work hard in low paid jobs (some refuse to go on benefits)

Quote by Theladyisaminx
I was raised in an upstairs converted Victorian house, we had one bedroom living room and a small kitchen. No bathroom (what luxury), and an outside toilet.
I remember those days minxy. I can recollect having a bathing in a zinc bath (in the 60s). Or having to go to the public baths. I can go on, but I won't go on.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
My parents raised 4 children there 3 girls and a boy sharing one bedroom, we did get moved when the eldest was 15 the youngest 4 not because of over crowding but because the house was condemned we move out and within a week it was demolished.
Our move was because of overcrowding, disabled children and overcrowding. this was demolished 10 years later and became a park. The place we moved to was infested with mice.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Maybe it’s why I just appreciate what I have as I have more than what my parents had.
I'm grateful for the opportunity my parents fought for me.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
I was raised in a very cosmopolitan area we had the first immigrations living amongst us, I went to a school in a highly black white mix in Peckham. I still live within the same area and raise my own children here, why because I have never had any problems with cultural mixing and neither have my children.
So did I. I went to school in Hackney and grew up in Stoke Newington (in the days when they were ghettos). There I learnt about different cultures and religions. A recent Christmas it dawned on me when buying one of those last minute things. When shops selling these things where closed. This is one of the great assets of multi-cultrualism. This is one of the reasons why I love London. biggrin
Quote by Theladyisaminx
After all we are all human and can live side by side and be accepting of each other and look out for each other, as once you get to know them, we all have a heart a soul feelings and compassion.
I couldn't agree with you more. :thumbup: We all learn form each other. What holds us back is: Fear, Predjudice and Insecurity.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
I would hate for the BNP to get a foot holding in this country for being around the first influx of immigrates (sic.) has taught me after growing up with them in the 70’s I would never like to go back to those days, I thought we have come so far, but seems we like to appoint blame when things are not so cushy for most.
I presume you mean the racial tensions that occurred when you was a young girl (me a boy). I would loathe it if they take any foothold. Because, it would a road to disaster. You see minxy, they always use xenophobia as tool to excuse for their lack of ambition.
gulsonroad30664
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i really do think that kenty puts forward these veiws in order to stimulate debate and draw out the uneducated backward amoungst us. clever fucker. well done kenty, you had me fooled, i thought you really believed what you write. did'nt realise it was a ruse. fair play mate. well done.
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Quote by gulsonroad30664
i really do think that kenty puts forward these veiws in order to stimulate debate and draw out the uneducated backward amoungst us. clever fucker. well done kenty, you had me fooled, i thought you really believed what you write. did'nt realise it was a ruse. fair play mate. well done.

You are making about as much sense as you was last week. Well it might make sense to you, but I have not got a fecking clue what you are on about.
Planet Lah lah... wink
gulsonroad30664
Orgasminator
oh its true then, you really do hold those beliefs ? shit, sorry, i genuinely thought you were bright. once again, sorry.
Unknown User
Quote by gulsonroad30664
oh its true then, you really do hold those beliefs ? shit, sorry, i genuinely thought you were bright. once again, sorry.

I am very bright....own business which makes lots of money, big house, nice car, flash bike..BIG telly....and I have mrs777.
Whose a lucky boy then??
gulsonroad30664
Orgasminator
mmmm, u is cleva kenty, i must b fick. wos lukin at anuva fred of yours. u hate gerries and frenchies too cos they is takin ova your cuntry. and i thought you were either a member of the ruling elite fallen on hard times or a working class council house boy done well with aspirations of grandure. just goes to show how us dept slaves have become dumbed down.
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Quote by gulsonroad30664
mmmm, u is cleva kenty, i must b fick. wos lukin at anuva fred of yours. u hate gerries and frenchies too cos they is takin ova your cuntry. and i thought you were either a member of the ruling elite fallen on hard times or a working class council house boy done well with aspirations of grandure. just goes to show how us dept slaves have become dumbed down.

loon lol
bouncy332
Sex God
Quote by Kaznkev
the bnp get votes in this country cos of a lack of class conciousness,divide and rule has always been the way of the elite and the oxbridge boys now running the bnp have learnt that lesson well
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

thought provoking
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Quote by Kaznkev
the bnp get votes in this country cos of a lack of class conciousness,divide and rule has always been the way of the elite and the oxbridge boys now running the bnp have learnt that lesson well
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Blimey I haven't heard that old pony for ages!
Still they say the old ones are the best! :0)
mr__powers1
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
mmmm, u is cleva kenty, i must b fick. wos lukin at anuva fred of yours. u hate gerries and frenchies too cos they is takin ova your cuntry. and i thought you were either a member of the ruling elite fallen on hard times or a working class council house boy done well with aspirations of grandure. just goes to show how us dept slaves have become dumbed down.

loon lol
think i'll vote BNP just to get up gulson's nose! rolleyes
Unknown User
See Powers....you can be funny SOMETIMES. wink
I think Gulson has some " issues "..... he needs a mrs777 in his life. lol
Unknown User
Quote by Kaznkev
oldie but goodie brighton
and relevant too, biggrin

It was certainly relevant back in the 1930's and 40's, especially in Germany. But this thread is about the twenty first century BNP. The misconception that British Nationalism is the same as pre war German National Socialism might have had everyone fooled twenty five years ago, in fact back then there was no doubt some truth in it back then. But things change, and nobody is 'coming for' anybody in today's Great Britain. There will never be a totalitarian government here, let alone a bunch of genocidal ethnic cleansers.
I'm not a politician and am not asking you to trust me, but I do know that the BNP are not the evil Nazis they are being painted as.
In order to stop this going on for ever I will refrain from making any further comment. No ammount of brainwashed bullplop will change the facts, as I have already pointed them out.
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So at long last it seems that even the PM thinks it is NOT racist to talk about immigration!

I was getting sick and tired of some people screaming racist at me and others who dared to mention anything to do with immigration.
It was muted very loudly on Question time, when a black guy and that Muslim lady said what I had been saying for a number of years now.
Now even the PM has said it.
So I can now freely talk about immigration, others can talk about immigration...WITHOUT some white middle class tossers, trying to shut people up by saying they are racist.....it is NOT.
It seems only after Question time and Griffin's comments, that people now want to discuss it, which is the only good thing to come out of him being on the show.
IF we had of been able to discuss it a few years ago, maybe just maybe Griffin would not find himself in the position he finds himself in now, as an ELECTED member of the European Parliament. So it seems those amongst us who were screaming the racist card, it has backfired on you, as Griffin has used that stick to very good effect.
Immigration....racist....? Not in the same breath anymore thankyou!! cool
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All rather calm now. lol
I should get the PM more on my side.
Al1963
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Quote by kentswingers777
oh its true then, you really do hold those beliefs ? shit, sorry, i genuinely thought you were bright. once again, sorry.

I am very bright....own business which makes lots of money, big house, nice car, flash bike..BIG telly....and I have mrs777.
Whose a lucky boy then??
Kenty, would you rather employ a Polish person for £7 per hour than a Brit for £11 ph to shovel shit from place to another?
Dave__Notts
Sex God
Quote by Al1963
oh its true then, you really do hold those beliefs ? shit, sorry, i genuinely thought you were bright. once again, sorry.

I am very bright....own business which makes lots of money, big house, nice car, flash bike..BIG telly....and I have mrs777.
Whose a lucky boy then??
Kenty, would you rather employ a Polish person for £7 per hour than a Brit for £11 ph to shovel shit from place to another?
I would want the one who could do the allocated work in the alloted time. The Pole would only work out cheaper if he could do the same work to the same standard. If not....then you pay shit for shit. You can't run a business like that, whatever the job you are doing.
Dave_Notts
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Quote by Dave__Notts
oh its true then, you really do hold those beliefs ? shit, sorry, i genuinely thought you were bright. once again, sorry.

I am very bright....own business which makes lots of money, big house, nice car, flash bike..BIG telly....and I have mrs777.
Whose a lucky boy then??
Kenty, would you rather employ a Polish person for £7 per hour than a Brit for £11 ph to shovel shit from place to another?
I would want the one who could do the allocated work in the alloted time. The Pole would only work out cheaper if he could do the same work to the same standard. If not....then you pay shit for shit. You can't run a business like that, whatever the job you are doing.
Dave_Notts
Seconded.
:thumbup:
Unknown User
British Jobs For British Workers!
If we all stick to that one principle then economic migrants will have to find somewhere else to go. It is not too much to ask, and at least the money paid will stay in the country. I know a few people who are here from Eastern Europe, and although I have nothing against them personally I know they are here for our jobs and our housing. It is not their faults, bless em, the door was open and it still is which is why some of them are now going back anyway. There would surely be no harm done by helping those who wish to return but cant afford to with a few grand? As long as they are not able to take the money and use a revolving door to come straight back through.
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Quote by BrightonGeezer
British Jobs For British Workers!
If we all stick to that one principle then economic migrants will have to find somewhere else to go. It is not too much to ask, and at least the money paid will stay in the country. I know a few people who are here from Eastern Europe, and although I have nothing against them personally I know they are here for our jobs and our housing. It is not their faults, bless em, the door was open and it still is which is why some of them are now going back anyway. There would surely be no harm done by helping those who wish to return but cant afford to with a few grand? As long as they are not able to take the money and use a revolving door to come straight back through.

Don't hold ya breath....
We have found out for ourselves this Governments take on the immigration door.
When this Government and it's bunch of tossers are long gone with their fat pensions into their houses into the country, the rest of us will have to sort out the fucking mess they have done.
An " open door policy " was fine when only two or three hundred thousand were going to come in, not fecking millions.
British jobs for British workers, was never going to happen with their " let em all in ballony ".
Blair and Brown don't give a toss, all they are interested in is lining their own pockets. Multiculturism will not exist in their fairy tale life styles in the country house.
They won't ever have to worry about jobs, NHS health or state schools, or money.
I bet you any money you like, that when Brown is defeated, Blair ( tosser ) will get him a job somewhere on the European gravy train....mark my words.
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Quote by kentswingers777
British Jobs For British Workers!
If we all stick to that one principle then economic migrants will have to find somewhere else to go. It is not too much to ask, and at least the money paid will stay in the country. I know a few people who are here from Eastern Europe, and although I have nothing against them personally I know they are here for our jobs and our housing. It is not their faults, bless em, the door was open and it still is which is why some of them are now going back anyway. There would surely be no harm done by helping those who wish to return but cant afford to with a few grand? As long as they are not able to take the money and use a revolving door to come straight back through.

Don't hold ya breath....
We have found out for ourselves this Governments take on the immigration door.
When this Government and it's bunch of tossers are long gone with their fat pensions into their houses into the country, the rest of us will have to sort out the fucking mess they have done.
An " open door policy " was fine when only two or three hundred thousand were going to come in, not fecking millions.
British jobs for British workers, was never going to happen with their " let em all in ballony ".
Blair and Brown don't give a toss, all they are interested in is lining their own pockets. Multiculturism will not exist in their fairy tale life styles in the country house.
They won't ever have to worry about jobs, NHS health or state schools, or money.
I bet you any money you like, that when Brown is defeated, Blair ( tosser ) will get him a job somewhere on the European gravy train....mark my words.
I don't doubt any of the points you raise there Kenty, jobs for the boys has always been a Labour / trades union trait. It is a notion that fills me with a profound sense of foreboding, the UK under the direct rule of the monstrous communist dinosaur that is the EU, and with Blair and Brown at the head of it all. British politics will become superfluous with local councilors reduced to mere stamp lickers. I am to assume that Cameron has reneged on his pledge to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty with a view to our removing ourselves from it? Will we ever have the opportunity to remove Great Britain from the EU completely? I believe that our economy has been intentionally devalued in preparation for our imminent railroading into abandoning the pound in favour of the European single currency.
The end of the beginning? sad
Unknown User
The end maybe?
I still cannot believe that after all the shite I have taken over the " immigration " word, nobody has commented on Brown saying we can now all talk about it without the racist slur?
All very still on the SH front now eh? wink
We ARE now part of Europe whether we like it or not ( I do not like it ). The treaty was dead in the water, but they forced the Irish to vote again, and they railroaded them into it.
Now we did not get the chance they promised we would....Brown a liar and a hypocrite....No wonder Gaunty calls him " bottler Brown "!
I think to trade with them is fine but....not to be forced to get into bed with them. It is the end of GREAT Britain being a major player in world issues. We will become a small bit part player, having to answer to the Germans and the French....me Grandparents would be turning in their graves.
mad
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Great Britain was a major player in world affairs before my father was born but hasnt been since, we need to recognise that fact to build a world that supports all people of any nationality race creed colour or sexuality.
I have never seen anybody on SH proclaim that to discuss racial issues is wrong, indeed we often do so. Examples free from prejudice can be seen in the cafe forum regularly. It is the prejudice and dissemination of ill informed twaddle that appears to get peoples backs up.
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Benny.........I have been called a racist on this very forum for daring to say about immigration....you know it and I know it, and everyone else knows it.
BUT.......since Griffin was on the telly, and those two people on the show said it is not racist, and now even the PM himself has said it....I have not heard a dicky bird.
Still I knew I was right all along...as usual. cool
Btw.....Britain has been a major player in world politics, but not for the last ten years I would say.
London IS one if not the financial capital of the world, we was one of the G7 , now of course G20...cos so many others have jumped on the bandwagon.
Granted we have lost a lot of the things we used to be world renowned for, but we are just clinging on to that top flight....but not for much longer.
Most of Europe think we are a bit of a joke now, not to be taken seriously, and now they hold certain powers over us in Europe, we will slip even further behind until we are in the same mould as Iceland. :shock:
It will soon be Britain but without the great attached to it.
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Quote by kentswingers777
It will soon be Britain but without the great attached to it.

Absolutely, I know your post was in answer to Benny so I'll just answer this bit.
The plan has been to destroy our nation and our nationhood. Devolution has all bit destroyed the Union, the full member entry into the EU Superstate will finish it off completely. As for Great Britain, the Great is already used in a past tense. This is of course more about political suicide and greedy big business than it ever was immigration, although the former is obviously the cause of the latter.
Staggerlee_BB
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And I'd always thought the "great" was nothing to do with international standing and more as in "greater" to describe the british islands and nations
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Quote by BrightonGeezer

It will soon be Britain but without the great attached to it.

Absolutely, I know your post was in answer to Benny so I'll just answer this bit.
The plan has been to destroy our nation and our nationhood. Devolution has all bit destroyed the Union, the full member entry into the EU Superstate will finish it off completely. As for Great Britain, the Great is already used in a past tense. This is of course more about political suicide and greedy big business than it ever was immigration, although the former is obviously the cause of the latter.
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Quote by Staggerlee_BB
And I'd always thought the "great" was nothing to do with international standing and more as in "greater" to describe the british islands and nations

Ya know what thought did Staggs?
I can never remember it ever being called " greater Britain ".
Great Britain for that is what it once was. :upset: wink
Staggerlee_BB
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
And I'd always thought the "great" was nothing to do with international standing and more as in "greater" to describe the british islands and nations

Ya know what thought did Staggs?
I can never remember it ever being called " greater Britain ".
Great Britain for that is what it once was. :upset: wink
never said it was ever greater britain..but great as in large/larger....now if you mean it's not what it once was due to coastal erosion I may agree with you.