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Quote by kentswingers777
Such is peoples " outrage " over this, it could end up being a protest that spreads across the whole country.

For all those that feel snug in their jobs, remember there are plenty out there, ready to take yours. How ironic that a prediction of 4 million British workers could be on the dole by September.
How I wish that this would bring down the " European big wigs ", and then we could go back to how it was " supposed " to be in 1973. A body that enabled all of Europe to TRADE as one. NOT to have our laws and our very own identity taken away, by unelected suits.

Too bloody right I'm outraged!
Are you trying to tell me there are other papers than the Sun?
I think someone mentioned arable farming, but I think there are several other jobs which could easily be done by the native population, but in fact the british have no intention of doing them at all. So we are already employing a variety of other nationalities do things we don't want to do.
I suspect that with many an industrial dispute there are several very good reasons why the unions and members organise strikes. Its not always to protect basic human rights, but quite often to protect a lucrative source of income; usually that of overtime and ghost shifts.
This kind of strike is a symptom of an underlying problem.
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Quote by kentswingers777
I have a South African Asian working here, who came over on a student visa, but has not done a days work to do with that student visa, in over four years.

As a point of interest, are you his employer?
And that speech you posted the link to, did you hear anything before the last phrase that you so kindly pointed out to us? Where he was saying about the skills, the transport and infrastructure etc? His goal (although he doesn't appear to have managed to get anywhere towards reaching it) was to put in place the training for British people so that they had the skills and means to fulfill the jobs available within the UK.
It's very convenient to focus on one phrase in a speech when that phrase can be twisted so neatly to fit your own agenda, but I could do the same with articles from your favourite newspaper if I so choose.
Another point that you've conveniently ignored is that there are so many British nationals working abroad. If we're to "send home" all the foreign nationals that are here "taking our jobs" does that mean that all the expat Brits should be forced back to the UK?
Quote by noladreams30
I have a South African Asian working here, who came over on a student visa, but has not done a days work to do with that student visa, in over four years.

I have a question.
What is your viewpoint of the above?
Are you of the opinion of "fair play to him/her, the system is there to be abused"? or do you feel what that person is doing is wrong?
I think it is wrong. He admits he " conned " the system. Had he been European he would have got into the UK, but being South African he would have had no chance.
For the record his other half is Polish, she does not work. He has just had twins, her older Daughter did not speak any English when she come here a year ago, but was put into an English speaking school. He gets the minimum wage here, and he then claims for his other half, her Daughter and his twin boys.
Also one of them is always either at the Doctors or the hospital. They admit they are lucky, and also admit they have got much much more out of our system than they will ever be able to put back in.
He also tells me they know of many others who have done, and are doing the same thing.
You tell me......is that fair?
Kent, I work with children. Largely but not exclusively British nationals. There are many kids I come in contact with whose parents do not work and never have worked. They exist solely on state benefits. When you speak to some, neither did their grandparents work.
Thankfully for me, if I need healthcare or unemployment benefit, I live in a country that provides this. I work hard, I pay my taxes. There are probably people who disproportionately reap the benefits of this system. They are not exclusively immigrants and, whatever I think about them, I would still rather live in a welfare state than without one.
But of course, those who have travelled here - legally or illegally - are easy scapegoats: they make good tabloid headline fodder and prevent us from tackling some of the other more damaging issues that need addressing in our society.
That could have come straight out of the Labour headquarters. wink
rolleyes As opposed to hot off the News International presses like the majority of your posts, you mean?
We all have our opinions.
Quote by GnV
Maybe it's something to do with the work ethic dunno
For example, the Poles are reputed to work like Trojans in gratitude for the employment which places the contractor in a better position to finish the job on time and on budget - perhaps even with a bonus for completing early. If they are being paid the Sterling rate for the job, they are being very well paid indeed over and above their expectations in Poland.
With some other nationalities, the work ethic just isn't there and they couldn't care a toss about finishing the job; indeed, their ethic is one of dragging it out as long as they can to screw the boss.

I found myself nodding as I read this....
Some excellent responses to this one already. Here's mine.
Freedom of movement within the EU is part of being in europe as a partner. The 'immigrants' are generally european workers, free to move and work wherever they wish. Without immigration most of this country would grind to a halt. Eastern england relies on mainland europeans for crop gathering, most major cities have mainland european care workers, hotel staff, catering staff, hospital workers etc. Should we send them all 'home' and let our industries fail?
Thatcher set the ball rolling all those years ago. Privatising utility companies (now generally foreign owned), privatising nationalised industries (selling cheaply to joe public companies already owned by joe public - what a scam that one was) and introducing compulsive competative tendering that eventually became 'best value'. T
There are some excellent history books about modern europe. Perhaps I could suggest some!
Quote by kentswingers777
I am not at all militant, and I am not a member of any union.
I believe in the right person for the right job, what ever their nationality, but what is happening now is not right.
There are two many folk in that area that are already can be trained to do those jobs, even if its costs a little extra to do so.
We are now living in difficult times that can be hard to deal with, but by good leadership by all the powers that govern the world today, things will be good again, but I for one do not see that happening quickly.
I will boldly type...
British jobs for British workers!
Lucys post.

I used to agree with that sentiment as well but...with apparently nearly every new job created over the last couple of years, going to immigrants, and the current climate, my feelings have changed full circle.
We have far too many immigrants here, who are looking for work, and now the economy is sliding downhill, it can never ever be right to give British jobs to immigrants that have just got here.
The current strikes will escalate, and it is all well and good Bottler Brown saying it is despicable and against the law to strike, but most of this is his and Labours " open door policy ", over the last seven or eight years. Remember when those idiots said they reckoned only would come here? It is more like 4 million and that does not include the ones that have " sneaked in ".
Britain CANNOT sustain such large numbers. Schools cannot nor can hospitals. They are all being put under increasing pressures to cope, but how can you cope when large numbers of kids cannot even speak English, in an English school?
Something has to give, and as Flower has already said, the BNP is on the march in large areas. That is a frightening prospect, that a party so far right could get something at the next election. But British people en mass have had enough, and the strike will be the end of this Government, the blame lies solely at their door.
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Sorry 777 I am confused, nothing new there. redface
You have said many a time that you would love to leave this country and live abroad.
Would that be a country that spoke English?
No. Spain has always been my dream retirement destination.
If not would it be a country that before you went you would learn the language fluently before you arrived?
Most of Spain can talk English anyway but....I would def learn enough to get by BEFORE I went.
Would you take enough money to sustain yours and your family lifestyle there?.
Or would you or one of yours like to find work there?
Minx unlike over here, Spain would NOT let me live there if I could not sustain myself. If I was to retire there, of course I would have enough money to live comfortably there. I would not get a free house and free for getting work there, I hope not.
Sorry hope you can see what is causing my confusion.

Nothing new there then. wink
Quote by kentswingers777
Another one to add to the " sweep it under the carpet brigade ".

Nola can you move over please? I'm already squishing up close and personal to Angel Chat. lol
Do you think they ever hoover this carpet then?!
*blows dust out* :mrgreen:
Quote by noladreams30
Sorry 777 I am confused, nothing new there. redface
You have said many a time that you would love to leave this country and live abroad.
Would that be a country that spoke English?
If not would it be a country that before you went you would learn the language fluently before you arrived?
Would you take enough money to sustain yours and your family lifestyle there?.
Or would you or one of yours like to find work there?
Sorry hope you can see what is causing my confusion.

:thumbup: Good points well made Minx! wink
Why do you see those as good points? dunno
I have answered those points...have a peep. :wink:
When this country has massive unemployment, and the very people who are saying....yeah it's fine to have all these workers over here, and then the British people spend every other week signing on,let's see if they have the same care free Liberal attitudes they do now.
Is everyone ok with possibly another four million immigrant workers coming here? Is everyone ok with schools in this country not having one single child there speaking English?
Is everyone ok with destitute asylam seekers ( apparently ) getting priority over Brits on housing and jobs?
Labour have certainly done their homework, and created some lovely social problems, which apparently a lot seem to think is fine. Well the Liberals I hope it does not bit ya up your bum, in the future.
Is everyone ok with possibly another four million immigrant workers coming here? Is everyone ok with schools in this country not having one single child there speaking English?

Where do you get this 4 million from Kent? And if it truly is 4 million, is that 4 million all at once, or is it 4 million over a period of a number of years, in the same way that Polish plumbers come here to work for a year, then bugger off back home when they're done?
Name one single school you know of where not a single child there speaks English. I accept there are some schools where there may be a majority whose first language is something other than English, but that's not quite the same thing is it?
Is everyone ok with destitute asylam seekers ( apparently ) getting priority over Brits on housing and jobs?

Right-wing tabloid Myth. Asylum seekers are not given preference for local authority social housing. They are housed under seperate, often private, agreements managed by the UK Border Agency, that may or may not include housing managed by the local authority. Quite often, where local authority stock is used, it is the hard-to-let, most run down housing that frequently would otherwise stand empty that is allocated to them, and the numbers involved are a tiny proportion of the total housing stock available to that authority. They are not given preference for jobs, because asylum seekers are not legally allowed to work. If you're referring to those who have been awarded refugee status, that's a different matter, but do you know the figures for the number of asylum seekers that are annually awarded that refugee status? You'll find figures up to 2006 Tiny number, isn't it?
Neil x x x ;)
Quote by kentswingers777
When this country has massive unemployment, and the very people who are saying....yeah it's fine to have all these workers over here, and then the British people spend every other week signing on,let's see if they have the same care free Liberal attitudes they do now.
Is everyone ok with possibly another four million immigrant workers coming here? Is everyone ok with schools in this country not having one single child there speaking English?
Is everyone ok with destitute asylam seekers ( apparently ) getting priority over Brits on housing and jobs?
Labour have certainly done their homework, and created some lovely social problems, which apparently a lot seem to think is fine. Well the Liberals I hope it does not bit ya up your bum, in the future.

so are you saying our kids won't be welcome at school then?
Quote by kentswingers777
When this country has massive unemployment, and the very people who are saying....yeah it's fine to have all these workers over here, and then the British people spend every other week signing on,let's see if they have the same care free Liberal attitudes they do now.
Is everyone ok with possibly another four million immigrant workers coming here? Is everyone ok with schools in this country not having one single child there speaking English?
Is everyone ok with destitute asylam seekers ( apparently ) getting priority over Brits on housing and jobs?
Labour have certainly done their homework, and created some lovely social problems, which apparently a lot seem to think is fine. Well the Liberals I hope it does not bit ya up your bum, in the future.

What I hope I can see happening in a lot of cases is people with have to think of other ways to earn a living, I took stock years ago as I could see this happening, how could I see it happening because I worked for a very large organisation for 18 years. When I started I felt valued as part of a team, we were given incentives as a reward for long term services it was a family owned business and I felt part of that family.
Over the years they sold out to money making penny pinching big waged bods who had no consideration for their employees, they cut all incentive to nothing. All perks for long term employees were striped.
I decided then 10 years ago to bail out and go alone work for myself as then I am accountable to myself, I don’t blame anyone if we can’t pay the mortgage as I only have myself to blame, but then I don’t plan just for today I plan ahead on the longer future. It isn’t an easy option but one that I love the challenge of, it gives me a greater feeling of self achievement.
So going back to my first point what I hope I can see happening, hopefully smaller businesses appearing that offer good services that start to employ people and make them feel valued.
But sadly what I see happening is nothing as it is easier to just sit and blame others.
But then I am possibly label as a left winging liberal by some without having any ability to think.
O I do live in my own ideal fluffy world,if only hey!
Quote by kentswingers777
Sorry 777 I am confused, nothing new there. redface
You have said many a time that you would love to leave this country and live abroad.
Would that be a country that spoke English?
No. Spain has always been my dream retirement destination.
If not would it be a country that before you went you would learn the language fluently before you arrived?
Most of Spain can talk English anyway but....I would def learn enough to get by BEFORE I went.
Would you take enough money to sustain yours and your family lifestyle there?.
Or would you or one of yours like to find work there?
Minx unlike over here, Spain would NOT let me live there if I could not sustain myself. If I was to retire there, of course I would have enough money to live comfortably there. I would not get a free house and free for getting work there, I hope not.
Sorry hope you can see what is causing my confusion.

Nothing new there then. wink
777 most foreigners I know, know enough to get by!
We have polish living opposite me they are hard working and the only people in my close that made it into work Monday, in the summer they went shopping and bought back ice lollies for all the kids out in the street, they have had to leave their children back at home, I don't have any problems with them at all. What they might gain in one hand they lose in another, I believe their loses are greater than their gains.
Quote by duncanlondon
I think someone mentioned arable farming, but I think there are several other jobs which could easily be done by the native population, but in fact the british have no intention of doing them at all. So we are already employing a variety of other nationalities do things we don't want to do.

that is a good point..... there are jobs out there.... but a lot of people don't want to do them for various reasons......whether they think it is "beneth them" or whether it is just for "the minimum wage".....
A lot of people here know my status here... I am a british national... so technically I am taking one of these jobs "for british people" that kent is talking about.......
there are some thing about the problems that Caused the current dispute that I don't think have been made clear.....
the contract that caused it is only 6 months long.... so in a sense it kinda made sense to get people in that were already equipped to do it, rather than having to train up people for months
How many people out there would agree to just a 6 month contract.... because I would admit I would certainly think twice, knowing that you could be in the same position.... so not as clear cut as you'd like
The thing that mades me laugh a bit is that it is "british jobs for british people" only when it suits them.
so when countries like australia or canada are actively recruiting and fast-tracking people with skills, we don't complain when it works in our favour then.... hmmm... nope...
those hundreds of thousands of brits and ex-pats better come back then......
for example... the NHS were crying out for nurses, Schools were crying out for teachers, people from different made the differcult decision to come here to fill those gaps.... now what do you want to say
"we thank you awfully for coming over these X years ago....but we don't need you anymore, so if you'd be as kind as to scuttle back to where you came from, that would be brilliant, thank you"
you forget that these people are paying tax in the UK, spending money in UK shops, ect ect ect.........
bloody people... coming over here... nicking our jobs!!!!!... they will be bloody nicking our women next!!!!!
it borders on sounding rather xenophobic doesn't it............ hmmmmm
sean.....
p.s why do people try to make being "liberal" out to be a bad thing... it is not a dirty word, so when did it become a slur?
Quote by fabio
I think someone mentioned arable farming, but I think there are several other jobs which could easily be done by the native population, but in fact the british have no intention of doing them at all. So we are already employing a variety of other nationalities do things we don't want to do.

that is a good point..... there are jobs out there.... but a lot of people don't want to do them for various reasons......whether they think it is "beneth them" or whether it is just for "the minimum wage".....
A lot of people here know my status here... I am a british national... so technically I am taking one of these jobs "for british people" that kent is talking about.......
there are some thing about the problems that Caused the current dispute that I don't think have been made clear.....
the contract that caused it is only 6 months long.... so in a sense it kinda made sense to get people in that were already equipped to do it, rather than having to train up people for months
How many people out there would agree to just a 6 month contract.... because I would admit I would certainly think twice, knowing that you could be in the same position.... so not as clear cut as you'd like
The thing that mades me laugh a bit is that it is "british jobs for british people" only when it suits them.
so when countries like australia or canada are actively recruiting and fast-tracking people with skills, we don't complain when it works in our favour then.... hmmm... nope...
those hundreds of thousands of brits and ex-pats better come back then......
for example... the NHS were crying out for nurses, Schools were crying out for teachers, people from different made the differcult decision to come here to fill those gaps.... now what do you want to say
"we thank you awfully for coming over these X years ago....but we don't need you anymore, so if you'd be as kind as to scuttle back to where you came from, that would be brilliant, thank you"
you forget that these people are paying tax in the UK, spending money in UK shops, ect ect ect.........
bloody people... coming over here... nicking our jobs!!!!!... they will be bloody nicking our women next!!!!!
it borders on sounding rather xenophobic doesn't it............ hmmmmm
sean.....
p.s why do people try to make being "liberal" out to be a bad thing... it is not a dirty word, so when did it become a slur?
I am a liberal and proud of it. But became a slur when 777 added liberal lefty yogurt knitting sandal wearing pc brigade to it I think.
So what do this forum threaders think of this?
A British Industry that has existed for well over a hundred years that the Majority of British people fully support.
This industry must have an annual turnover of Billions
This industry employs loads of Foreign Workers, not just Europeans, who do not necessarily do the job better than the British workers in the industry and very often are paid far more.........yet we still support it!!!
The Industry??????........ ]Professional Football
Quote by M8-Me
So what do this forum threaders think of this?
A British Industry that has existed for well over a hundred years that the Majority of British people fully support.
This industry must have an annual turnover of Billions
This industry employs loads of Foreign Workers, not just Europeans, who do not necessarily do the job better than the British workers in the industry and very often are paid far more.........yet we still support it!!
The Industry??????........ ]Professional Football

Oh heck.....here we go!
Yorkshire born and bred only for the Yorkshire cricket team??
lol
Quote by Lucyandmike7
So what do this forum threaders think of this?
A British Industry that has existed for well over a hundred years that the Majority of British people fully support.
This industry must have an annual turnover of Billions
This industry employs loads of Foreign Workers, not just Europeans, who do not necessarily do the job better than the British workers in the industry and very often are paid far more.........yet we still support it!!
The Industry??????........ ]Professional Football

Oh heck.....here we go!
Yorkshire born and bred only for the Yorkshire cricket team??
lol
M8 winds them up, sits back and watches them go
:giggle:
bolt
Kewl down and realise that the comments should be viewed with the derision they deserve. Selective , over generalised uninformed with statistics plucked at best completely out of context and at worst out of thin air. Opinions to which anyone is entitled of course they are, but are they worth considering or taking seriously - the evidence so far suggests they are not . People who argue in this way actually believe they are completely right, and the most human emotion you are likely to engender from them in argument is pity - they simply cannot concieve of actually taking anything away from a discussion that they didnt bring with them.
Try not to get angry it is these people that lose out in the end. They live in a dark narrow corridor of a world that limits their experience and enjoyment more than they can ever imagine.
By all means if it amuses you then try to get through to them, I know i find it comical to do so now and then, but dont get angry or frustrated if you cant - there are some things that are constants in this world and the world needs every shade of intelligence to function.
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Kewl down and realise that the comments should be viewed with the derision they deserve. Selective , over generalised uninformed with statistics plucked at best completely out of context and at worst out of thin air. Opinions to which anyone is entitled of course they are, but are they worth considering or taking seriously - the evidence so far suggests they are not . People who argue in this way actually believe they are completely right, and the most human emotion you are likely to engender from them in argument is pity - they simply cannot concieve of actually taking anything away from a discussion that they didnt bring with them.
Try not to get angry it is these people that lose out in the end. They live in a dark narrow corridor of a world that limits their experience and enjoyment more than they can ever all means if it amuses you then try to get through to them, I know i find it comical to do so now and then, but dont get angry or frustrated if you cant - there are some things that are constants in this world and the world needs every shade of intelligence to function.

I guess that was aimed at me.....maybe I am being paranoid amongst all the other things, YOU seem to think I am.
Your not a social worker are you? confused: wink
Quote by neilinleeds
Is everyone ok with possibly another four million immigrant workers coming here? Is everyone ok with schools in this country not having one single child there speaking English?

Where do you get this 4 million from Kent? And if it truly is 4 million, is that 4 million all at once, or is it 4 million over a period of a number of years, in the same way that Polish plumbers come here to work for a year, then bugger off back home when they're done?
Name one single school you know of where not a single child there speaks English. I accept there are some schools where there may be a majority whose first language is something other than English, but that's not quite the same thing is it?
Is everyone ok with destitute asylam seekers ( apparently ) getting priority over Brits on housing and jobs?

Right-wing tabloid Myth. Asylum seekers are not given preference for local authority social housing. They are housed under seperate, often private, agreements managed by the UK Border Agency, that may or may not include housing managed by the local authority. Quite often, where local authority stock is used, it is the hard-to-let, most run down housing that frequently would otherwise stand empty that is allocated to them, and the numbers involved are a tiny proportion of the total housing stock available to that authority. They are not given preference for jobs, because asylum seekers are not legally allowed to work. If you're referring to those who have been awarded refugee status, that's a different matter, but do you know the figures for the number of asylum seekers that are annually awarded that refugee status? You'll find figures up to 2006 Tiny number, isn't it?
Neil x x x ;)
I can name a damn sight more than one.

IF you would like me to send you the list of schools, you only have to ask.A list of many schools where the majority don't speak English. Or you can take a peep at this link and download the file yourself. You only want one school? What about 5 or 10?
Or is this list like everything else. All in others minds. Scare mongering newspapers. I think so many out there have been brainwashed whilst they have been sleeping.
They do not want people to talk about these things, for fear of? People scoff at others who show concerns, when people like myself say things. Well I know what I know. I know that maybe some things written in the newspapers is there to generate sales but....to believe that everything they write is not true, or just there to scare others is quite frankly bollox.
I am accused of " living in a bubble ", but at least I am not scared of facing reality knocking at my door. It is like so many things that do not affect others. When it does affect them, they will scream the loudest.
Well as I say......when unemployment reaches huge figures, and the very people who are too quick to scoff at my views, cannot pay their mortgage, and are waiting for the dreaded knock at the door, maybe they might well think that my views were not out of context at all. wink
Quote by Theladyisaminx
Sorry 777 I am confused, nothing new there. redface
You have said many a time that you would love to leave this country and live abroad.
Would that be a country that spoke English?
No. Spain has always been my dream retirement destination.
If not would it be a country that before you went you would learn the language fluently before you arrived?
Most of Spain can talk English anyway but....I would def learn enough to get by BEFORE I went.
Would you take enough money to sustain yours and your family lifestyle there?.
Or would you or one of yours like to find work there?
Minx unlike over here, Spain would NOT let me live there if I could not sustain myself. If I was to retire there, of course I would have enough money to live comfortably there. I would not get a free house and free for getting work there, I hope not.
Sorry hope you can see what is causing my confusion.

Nothing new there then. wink
777 most foreigners I know, know enough to get by!
We have polish living opposite me they are hard working and the only people in my close that made it into work Monday, in the summer they went shopping and bought back ice lollies for all the kids out in the street, they have had to leave their children back at home, I don't have any problems with them at all. What they might gain in one hand they lose in another, I believe their loses are greater than their gains.
You asked me questions which even others thought were " good points ".
I gave you my answers but....seemed all for nothing, as I notice you did not even acknowledge my answers or.....were my answers not to your liking? biggrin
Quote by kentswingers777
I gave you my answers but....seemed all for nothing, as I notice you did not even acknowledge my answers or.....were my answers not to your liking? biggrin

Not wishing to get into a political debate as I don't even know what sort of green, leftie, scarf knitting, sandal wearing, yoghurt eating, inbetweeny fence sitter I am but is that not a little bit of pot, kettle and black since you do it so often?! dunno
That was a serious question...
:mrgreen:
It is so frustrating to have a debate with someone that puts cotton wool in their ears and blinkers over their eys each time you have something constructive to say.
Or is it I talk sense and you can not respond to that? wink
777 I have added some what I believe to be contructive comments but you always seems to slip past them. I was hoping for some response at least even if it was to say minx you talk bollox which is your normal reaction lol
Quote by kentswingers777
Name one single school you know of where not a single child there speaks English. I accept there are some schools where there may be a majority whose first language is something other than English, but that's not quite the same thing is it?I can name a damn sight more than one.

You don't even see it in yourself do you? Those blinkers you wear are so effective that despite Neil's direct question, you still came back triumphantly proclaiming that you were right - but your so-called evidence is exactly what Neil had suspected (as did I) it would be. Not about schools where "no pupils speak English", but schools where no pupil has English as their first language. As Neil so rightly pre-empted - not quite the same thing, is it? rolleyes
Thank you Angel. That was indeed exactly the point I was driving at. Pedant? Moi? lol ;)
Kent, you mentioned schools were none of the children speaks English earlier. You've now named schools where English is spoken primarily as a second language. That's not at all the same thing is it? My admin manager speaks English as a second language, seeing as how she's from Bangladesh, but trust me, she speaks English better than me. ((( or should that be better than I? confused Could never get that one right. :lol: )))
I've downloaded your list, and I'll take it at face value. Nearly all the schools in that list as far as I can tell are primaries and nurseries? Children of that age soak up language like sponges, as your own experience with your kids would probably tell you, so while they may well primarily speak Urdu or Bengali or Polish or whatever at home, that does not necessarily mean that they lack functional fluency in English at school. Given a little input as they mingle with other kids in an environment where English most certainly is the first language used, they will become fluent in English all too rapidly. Certainly, by the time they are teens at secondary, this supposed language barrier that is such a bar to integration allegedly, and is sooooo detrimental to native British English speaking kids, has all but disappeared.
Your perceived problem Kent, is exactly that. A perceived problem. It's not a problem for the kids in these schools you're talking about, because all too often they rise above the challenges put in their way, and succeed in spite of them. Quite often the real bar to integration is, in part, the petty prejudices and ill-informed attitudes of others. A good case in point is these schools. Where schools do have overwhelmingly ethnic majorities, is that at all because white Anglo-Saxon parents have stopped sending their kids to them, creating the alleged problem that they apparently fear so much?
Neil x x x ;)