British jobs for British workers? Warning political thread!

4 Feb 2009

It seems a healthy dose of scepticism is required when reading the press...people really shouldn't believe everything they read....the latest edition of Private Eye contains a good example.
I shall paraphrase.....In a recent edition of the sun there was a story about muslim extremists in this country compiling a hit list of high profile was based on a visit to a web forum by a Sun "journalist" where there was a discussion about how best to protest the Israeli action in Gaza......the general concensus was that letters should be written to prominent British jews.....this in translation became a call to arms......unfortunately all the more lurid quotes are from the journalist himself trying to stir up the more rational and peaceful members of the forum.
I did try to include a link to the sun web site for this article..unfortunately they seem to have removed it from the site.... is Private Eyes' home page again they're reluctant to allow you to read their articles .....but if "pressed" I'll try to scan it and post it.
my point is the media have their own agenda , and it would be a very foolish man who took them at face value......see the Sex Pistols Quote below

4 Feb 2009

Quote by Geordiecpl2001
Interesting aside in one of the papers today;
Why don't we ditch the present incumbants of the Palace of Westminster and bring in some foriegn natioanls who will presumably do the job better and cheaper??
All in favour say Aye!!!!
John

We already have.. they're called the European Commission :shock:
They are a bit like Vampires really.. problem is, one of them escaped recently and they want him back... :shock:
He was once known as the prince of darkness.. now he's a lord of the realm...
Anyone got any garlic?
bolt

5 Feb 2009

The research by the institute (IPPR) is the first significant attempt to put a figure on the number of British citizens who live & work overseas.
The study found 5.5 million expat Britons - a number that rises to six million if those who live or work part of the year abroad are included. Taken together, they represent approximately 10% of British citizens. Until now, tentative government estimates of expats had ranged from 4.5 million to 14 million.
Over the course of 40 years, some 67,500 more Britons have left the UK every year than have returned - a population loss that has been balanced out by increasing immigration.
My comments are made based on my reality and NOT based on what I read in the papers .......... so forgive me!
About 3 years ago I worked in an Office of a "food company" who employed people to cook/process/pack food for supermarkets.
They paid the minimum wage and NO brits even bothered to apply.
The business survived because of the polish workers employed.
I have never worked with nicer people.
They all turned up for work everyday, worked hard and most were over qualified to do what they were doing.
One was a doctor in Poland, who was a cleaner here but he worked hard and sent money home to his wife and 3 children every month.
It was, in his opinion, the best way to look after his family and build a future for his children. Even though he only saw his children 4 times a year.
If I had a hat, I would have taken it off to him!!
I find it sad that people comment based on the rubbish they believe and read in the papers.
......... stepping out of this one.
Sam xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

7 Feb 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Maybe it's something to do with the work ethic
For example, the Poles are reputed to work like Trojans in gratitude for the employment which places the contractor in a better position to finish the job on time and on budget - perhaps even with a bonus for completing early. If they are being paid the Sterling rate for the job, they are being very well paid indeed over and above their expectations in Poland.
With some other nationalities, the work ethic just isn't there and they couldn't care a toss about finishing the job; indeed, their ethic is one of dragging it out as long as they can to screw the boss.
Protectionism can be understood, but it usually involves double standards when it comes down to the jobs the Brit's don't like.

It's not that often I agree with you, but on this occasion... whole heartedly.
What is the matter with everyone??? a house needs to be built, you have 10 (for example) polish workers willing and able to do the job, they're graft their arses off and crack on with it, they work because they want to, OR take same amount of english workers, have 10 tea breaks a day, 2 with bacon butties, half heartedly whip the bricks up, wipe the sweat from their bum cracks and knock off early. I've seen it with my own eyes - it happens.
Flame me if you want, I'm past caring, why say 'British jobs for British workers' when some British workers are hippy lazy and shite don't really want to do what they're doing? cowboy jobs left right and centre??
A job needs doing? makes no odds what their nationality, just get it done.
AND what if that statement worked the other way? Foreign jobs for foreign workers only?? I know loads of men who work away in foreign waters, away at sea, men who work in Dubai.. so what then? all our men are then unemployed??
Am sure the building union would wholeheartidly agree with you.
it was an 'example' hunni wink

Not a very accurate one I feel Mar.
Of course we have the workers out there who will skive 8 hours a day, if they can get away with it. But there are also many millions who work their butts off every day too.
But it is true...the builders always seem to have their " cracks " on display. Disgusting it is too. :wink:
Says who?? :dunno:
I'd said for example.. take 10 workers......
I can't remember saying take 'a million workers'...
Eeeee Kenty hun, agree to disagree now and then, it's a marvellous thing to do!!! cool

8-)

7 Feb 2009

Quote by jaymar
Maybe it's something to do with the work ethic
For example, the Poles are reputed to work like Trojans in gratitude for the employment which places the contractor in a better position to finish the job on time and on budget - perhaps even with a bonus for completing early. If they are being paid the Sterling rate for the job, they are being very well paid indeed over and above their expectations in Poland.
With some other nationalities, the work ethic just isn't there and they couldn't care a toss about finishing the job; indeed, their ethic is one of dragging it out as long as they can to screw the boss.
Protectionism can be understood, but it usually involves double standards when it comes down to the jobs the Brit's don't like.

It's not that often I agree with you, but on this occasion... whole heartedly.
What is the matter with everyone??? a house needs to be built, you have 10 (for example) polish workers willing and able to do the job, they're graft their arses off and crack on with it, they work because they want to, OR take same amount of english workers, have 10 tea breaks a day, 2 with bacon butties, half heartedly whip the bricks up, wipe the sweat from their bum cracks and knock off early. I've seen it with my own eyes - it happens.
Flame me if you want, I'm past caring, why say 'British jobs for British workers' when some British workers are hippy lazy and shite don't really want to do what they're doing? cowboy jobs left right and centre??
A job needs doing? makes no odds what their nationality, just get it done.
AND what if that statement worked the other way? Foreign jobs for foreign workers only?? I know loads of men who work away in foreign waters, away at sea, men who work in Dubai.. so what then? all our men are then unemployed??
Am sure the building union would wholeheartidly agree with you.
it was an 'example' hunni wink

Not a very accurate one I feel Mar.
Of course we have the workers out there who will skive 8 hours a day, if they can get away with it. But there are also many millions who work their butts off every day too.
But it is true...the builders always seem to have their " cracks " on display. Disgusting it is too. :wink:
Says who?? :dunno:
I'd said for example.. take 10 workers......
I can't remember saying take 'a million workers'...
Eeeee Kenty hun, agree to disagree now and then, it's a marvellous thing to do!!! cool

8-)
I shall take your word for it Mar. :wink:

11 Feb 2009

Now, an interesting and slightly different slant on this thread from France. {Please forgive the hijack T7}
It is reported that the French Government are pouring huge amounts of money into the struggling French car industry (Renault and Peugeot/Citroën) but there is a backlash of claims of protectionism from Sarkozy's critics and the European Executive because it is one of a number of conditions of the funding that the Peugeot factory in Czechoslovakia is closed and the jobs are brought back to France.
If a Government's money is to be deployed in one of that Government's Country's principal industries, isn't it not right that the Government dictate where they money is to be spent? After all, they are not indicating that they wish to donate funds to another European State but merely to support their own industry in time of recession.

11 Feb 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
That was the slogan by the PM last year. It has been proved that he does not care about British workers at all.
With the credit crunch and vast industries suffering, should jobs go to British workers?
The current " wildcat strikes " are I feel, the tip of the iceburgh . Not only are people fighting for their jobs, but also their families well being.
This artical for me, sums everything up. After reading this I had to say what they always do, in the house of Commons, when they agree with something...... here here.

Read the article and it sounds like another piece of journalism that is based on half truths to sell newspapers.
The main context was about British Jobs for British Workers. I absolutely agree. However, didn't these British Workers not bother to put in a bid for this work? That was because the recession had not hit by that time. The contract was not to build a garden shed but to build a multimillion pound project. You can't just throw that up with Bill and Ben and a spade. You need to project manage this and one of the first things is to sort out a workforce with a principal contractor. The principal contractor is selected by the client up to two years in advance of the project starting.
The rest of the article is a load of typical Sun newspaper wild allegations.
One that is close to my heart is when it said the Government imposes Health and Safety fascism. I watched the building of the Sydney Harbour Bridge on TV. This showed that 16 people died on the job. Is work worth a life? For a newspaper, it is lacking in outlook. Over 200 people die in a workplace accident each year, over 5000 people die with a work related ill health problem and over 1500 die on the roads in a work vehicle each year. That is 6700 each year that die.......because someone else was not doing their job. That is why we need laws in this country to ensure that these people can go home to their loved ones.
So if you support the views of the Sun then you support their view that 6700 of our own people are not worth bothering about.
There is a gulf of knowledge of what is Health and Safety law and what is scare mongering by individuals. To combat this, the World Conker Championships are sponsored by the Chartered Institute of Safety and Health for the last 2-3 years.
Dave_Notts

11 Feb 2009

Where ya been Davey? I missed ya!.....only a bit though!

11 Feb 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Where ya been Davey? I missed ya!.....only a bit though!

I have been convalescing bud. Needed some feet up time. Been trying to rush things and the body has given up the ghost and told me to relax.
Now doing things in moderation
Dave_Notts

11 Feb 2009

Over 2300 died last year from industrially-derived lung disease alone....over 2000 of them from asbestosis/mesothelioma....and that's going to rise until at least 2015.
Then there are the proportion of the other lung disease deaths that are attributed to working conditions...
In fact, the figures for industrial disease/s make sombre reading in the 21st century.
Even the accident figures are worth a second/third look....the requirements to report an accident (legally necessary in workplaces for many accidents) are ignored, with only 50% actually making it into the accident books/RIDDOR report.

11 Feb 2009

Quote by Dave__Notts
Where ya been Davey? I missed ya!.....only a bit though!

I have been convalescing bud. Needed some feet up time. Been trying to rush things and the body has given up the ghost and told me to relax.
Now doing things in moderation
Dave_Notts
See that is what happens when ya become an Old git. wink

:wink: :wink:

11 Feb 2009

Quote by Dave__Notts
Where ya been Davey? I missed ya!.....only a bit though!

I have been convalescing bud. Needed some feet up time. Been trying to rush things and the body has given up the ghost and told me to relax.
Now doing things in moderation
Dave_Notts
And in which moderator would that be? :rascal:

11 Feb 2009

Quote by JTS
Over 2300 died last year from industrially-derived lung disease alone....over 2000 of them from asbestosis/mesothelioma....and that's going to rise until at least 2015.
Then there are the proportion of the other lung disease deaths that are attributed to working conditions...
In fact, the figures for industrial disease/s make sombre reading in the 21st century.
Even the accident figures are worth a second/third look....the requirements to report an accident (legally necessary in workplaces for many accidents) are ignored, with only 50% actually making it into the accident books/RIDDOR report.

All nice and true facts but.....pales into insignificance when compared to drink or smoking related deaths.
Thats just another sombre thought.

11 Feb 2009

Quote by JTS
Over 2300 died last year from industrially-derived lung disease alone....over 2000 of them from asbestosis/mesothelioma....and that's going to rise until at least 2015.
Then there are the proportion of the other lung disease deaths that are attributed to working conditions...
In fact, the figures for industrial disease/s make sombre reading in the 21st century.
Even the accident figures are worth a second/third look....the requirements to report an accident (legally necessary in workplaces for many accidents) are ignored, with only 50% actually making it into the accident books/RIDDOR report.

That is why the enforcing authorities have a blitz every now and agian in the A&E departments. They sit there and note who has come in with work clothes on and wait to see if it is reported. They then get a visit
Dave_Notts

11 Feb 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Where ya been Davey? I missed ya!.....only a bit though!

I have been convalescing bud. Needed some feet up time. Been trying to rush things and the body has given up the ghost and told me to relax.
Now doing things in moderation
Dave_Notts
See that is what happens when ya become an Old git. wink

:wink: :wink:
Tell me about it. Alex is thinking of trading me in for a newer model
Dave_Notts

11 Feb 2009

Quote by GnV
Where ya been Davey? I missed ya!.....only a bit though!

I have been convalescing bud. Needed some feet up time. Been trying to rush things and the body has given up the ghost and told me to relax.
Now doing things in moderation
Dave_Notts
And in which moderator would that be? :rascal:
They have standards.......unfortunately :cry:
Dave_Notts

11 Feb 2009

Quote by kentswingers777
Over 2300 died last year from industrially-derived lung disease alone....over 2000 of them from asbestosis/mesothelioma....and that's going to rise until at least 2015.
Then there are the proportion of the other lung disease deaths that are attributed to working conditions...
In fact, the figures for industrial disease/s make sombre reading in the 21st century.
Even the accident figures are worth a second/third look....the requirements to report an accident (legally necessary in workplaces for many accidents) are ignored, with only 50% actually making it into the accident books/RIDDOR report.

All nice and true facts but.....pales into insignificance when compared to drink or smoking related deaths.
Thats just another sombre thought.
Drinking or smoking are not work.
They are personal choices after having regard to ones own personal choice of accepting risk.
Technology has advanced to a stage that all these deaths are preventable. It is people putting money above life that is causing it. Either people should do the job properly or let someone who can do it properly.
Dave_Notts