That was the slogan by the PM last year. It has been proved that he does not care about British workers at all.
With the credit crunch and vast industries suffering, should jobs go to British workers?
The current " wildcat strikes " are I feel, the tip of the iceburgh . Not only are people fighting for their jobs, but also their families well being.
This artical for me, sums everything up. After reading this I had to say what they always do, in the house of Commons, when they agree with something...... here here.
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British jobs for British workers? Warning political thread!
Sex God
time for a revolution me thinks
(oh gawd really must put fidels life story down now :shock: )
(oh gawd really must put fidels life story down now :shock: )
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
time for a revolution me thinks
(oh gawd really must put fidels life story down now :shock: )
Write to George ( twat ) Galloway
, he knows everything there is to know about Fidel. 
i'm not far off knowin it too incredibly interesting guy i might not agree with his politics but i can admire the man best book i read in yonks even if i do need a dictionary at hand to understand half of it :shock:
I am not at all militant, and I am not a member of any union.
I believe in the right person for the right job, what ever their nationality, but what is happening now is not right.
There are two many folk in that area that are already can be trained to do those jobs, even if its costs a little extra to do so.
We are now living in difficult times that can be hard to deal with, but by good leadership by all the powers that govern the world today, things will be good again, but I for one do not see that happening quickly.
I will boldly type...
British jobs for British workers!
Lucys post.
I believe in the right person for the right job, what ever their nationality, but what is happening now is not right.
There are two many folk in that area that are already can be trained to do those jobs, even if its costs a little extra to do so.
We are now living in difficult times that can be hard to deal with, but by good leadership by all the powers that govern the world today, things will be good again, but I for one do not see that happening quickly.
I will boldly type...
British jobs for British workers!
Lucys post.
Quote by Lucyandmike7
I am not at all militant, and I am not a member of any union.
I believe in the right person for the right job, what ever their nationality, but what is happening now is not right.
There are two many folk in that area that are already can be trained to do those jobs, even if its costs a little extra to do so.
We are now living in difficult times that can be hard to deal with, but by good leadership by all the powers that govern the world today, things will be good again, but I for one do not see that happening quickly.
I will boldly type...
British jobs for British workers!
Lucys post.
I used to agree with that sentiment as well but...with apparently nearly every new job created over the last couple of years, going to immigrants, and the current climate, my feelings have changed full circle.
We have far too many immigrants here, who are looking for work, and now the economy is sliding downhill, it can never ever be right to give British jobs to immigrants that have just got here.
The current strikes will escalate, and it is all well and good Bottler Brown saying it is despicable and against the law to strike, but most of this is his and Labours " open door policy ", over the last seven or eight years. Remember when those idiots said they reckoned only would come here? It is more like 4 million and that does not include the ones that have " sneaked in ".
Britain CANNOT sustain such large numbers. Schools cannot nor can hospitals. They are all being put under increasing pressures to cope, but how can you cope when large numbers of kids cannot even speak English, in an English school?
Something has to give, and as Flower has already said, the BNP is on the march in large areas. That is a frightening prospect, that a party so far right could get something at the next election. But British people en mass have had enough, and the strike will be the end of this Government, the blame lies solely at their door.
Sex God
Quote by flower411
If they have the funds to field candidates, then it`s a dead cert that the BNP will end up with members of parliament at the next election
Aided and abetted by right-wing tabloids stoking up the fires with thinly-veiled xenophobic rants that seek to conflate the freedom of movement of workers within the E.U. with spongers, scroungers, and illegal immigrants, and have little in the way of any factual detail whatsoever.
Quote by LucyandMike
I will boldly type...
British jobs for British workers!
Lucy, in this case, the contract was put out to competitive tendering, and the French owned oil giant at the centre of the row presumably found that an Italian company could do the work more cheaply than any of the British companies that bid, even though those foreign workers now employed have to be afforded the same minimal standards for pay and conditions that apply to home-grown British employees of British companies. The real problem is not foreign workers, it's that for whatever reason presumably the British companies that bid were unable to compete.
As for British jobs for British workers, that was a stupid thing for Gordon Brown to say at the last conference, because he knows damn well he can guarantee nothing of the sort. Freedom of Labour movement is one of the '4 freedoms' ((( freedom of movement of goods, persons, services and capital ))) guaranteed by the Treaty of Rome, a treaty we freely signed up to in 1973. The only way out of that is to withdraw altogether from Europe, and tear up the treaty. Not a single one of the main three political parties is currently committed to that, for the simple reason that despite all the rhetoric, we are better off in Europe than out of it.
Neil x x x ;)
In 1973 the UK agreed to join the EEC. The people got a vote on that and the result was a positive, in favour of joining.
The people never ever signed up for anything else other than what it was billed as at the time, which was treaty to jointly trade with the rest of Europe. We did not agree or sign up to this...
The Maastricht Treaty (formally, the Treaty on European Union, TEU) was signed on 7 February 1992 in Maastricht, the Netherlands after final negotiations on December 9, 1991 between the members of the European Community and entered into force on 1 November 1993 during the Delors Commission. It created the European Union and led to the creation of the euro. The Maastricht Treaty has been amended to a degree by later treaties.
Europe has now got a lot of control over our own laws. They have not been elected to do that from the British people, and as such we now have them telling us what laws we can and cannot use.
The European twats who run this shambles, will not even accept the fact that Ireland wants out. The Irish vote will be turned around so that they will have no choice but to sign. We were promised a votebut we will never get it, as the powers to be know, that we will veto it. That is not what we voted for back in 1973, but have had to watch and listen to our country being turned upside down, by people who we have not elected to run our country.
The people never ever signed up for anything else other than what it was billed as at the time, which was treaty to jointly trade with the rest of Europe. We did not agree or sign up to this...
The Maastricht Treaty (formally, the Treaty on European Union, TEU) was signed on 7 February 1992 in Maastricht, the Netherlands after final negotiations on December 9, 1991 between the members of the European Community and entered into force on 1 November 1993 during the Delors Commission. It created the European Union and led to the creation of the euro. The Maastricht Treaty has been amended to a degree by later treaties.
Europe has now got a lot of control over our own laws. They have not been elected to do that from the British people, and as such we now have them telling us what laws we can and cannot use.
The European twats who run this shambles, will not even accept the fact that Ireland wants out. The Irish vote will be turned around so that they will have no choice but to sign. We were promised a votebut we will never get it, as the powers to be know, that we will veto it. That is not what we voted for back in 1973, but have had to watch and listen to our country being turned upside down, by people who we have not elected to run our country.
I did realise that Neil, I had understood the way the company who had originally won the contract then sub-contracted it out to the Italian company.
I agree that the trouble has come by the British not being able to put in an acceptable tender.
Is there someone to blame there, that our own British owned companys are not in that positon to be able to compete?
The families of the Italian workers contracted for this work, must be over the moon that they are in work, as I hear that their country is suffering too with the economic down turn.
I never used to know anyone effected by the world conditions today(the financial ones).
Now we have 3 close friends who businesses have failed, and put many out of work at their work places.
We know of 4 friends who are now on 3 day weeks.
My daughters boyfriend after several years employed by the same company, 2 weeks ago was told to go home, and the company was in administration.
My son due to finish his degree this year, has no chance of a job, in the career he has chosen to study!
Bad times all round.
The solution???????
I agree that the trouble has come by the British not being able to put in an acceptable tender.
Is there someone to blame there, that our own British owned companys are not in that positon to be able to compete?
The families of the Italian workers contracted for this work, must be over the moon that they are in work, as I hear that their country is suffering too with the economic down turn.
I never used to know anyone effected by the world conditions today(the financial ones).
Now we have 3 close friends who businesses have failed, and put many out of work at their work places.
We know of 4 friends who are now on 3 day weeks.
My daughters boyfriend after several years employed by the same company, 2 weeks ago was told to go home, and the company was in administration.
My son due to finish his degree this year, has no chance of a job, in the career he has chosen to study!
Bad times all round.
The solution???????
Sex God
Quote by neilinleeds
Lucy, in this case, the contract was put out to competitive tendering, and the French owned oil giant at the centre of the row presumably found that an Italian company could do the work more cheaply than any of the British companies that bid, even though those foreign workers now employed have to be afforded the same minimal standards for pay and conditions that apply to home-grown British employees of British companies. The real problem is not foreign workers, it's that for whatever reason presumably the British companies that bid were unable to compete.
Sorry Neil, thats the top and bottom of the problem, there have been a couple of European Court rulings which mean that workers "posted" to other EU Countries only need to be paid the rate pertaining in their home country. So if the Italians are on £3 an hour at home thats what they get here. Hence why the foriegn companies can under cut British Companies, lower labour costs.
This will shortly not be so likely to happen as the weakness of the pound is meaning that it now much more expensive for foriegn companies to tender for work here.
John
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
Lucy, in this case, the contract was put out to competitive tendering, and the French owned oil giant at the centre of the row presumably found that an Italian company could do the work more cheaply than any of the British companies that bid, even though those foreign workers now employed have to be afforded the same minimal standards for pay and conditions that apply to home-grown British employees of British companies. The real problem is not foreign workers, it's that for whatever reason presumably the British companies that bid were unable to compete.
Sorry Neil, thats the top and bottom of the problem, there have been a couple of European Court rulings which mean that workers "posted" to other EU Countries only need to be paid the rate pertaining in their home country. So if the Italians are on £3 an hour at home thats what they get here. Hence why the foriegn companies can under cut British Companies, lower labour costs.
This will shortly not be so likely to happen as the weakness of the pound is meaning that it now much more expensive for foriegn companies to tender for work here.
John
At 3 quid an hour, no wonder we have so many here.
Quote by neilinleeds
If they have the funds to field candidates, then it`s a dead cert that the BNP will end up with members of parliament at the next election
Aided and abetted by right-wing tabloids stoking up the fires with thinly-veiled xenophobic rants that seek to conflate the freedom of movement of workers within the E.U. with spongers, scroungers, and illegal immigrants, and have little in the way of any factual detail whatsoever.
And no doubt possibly encouraged by people who feel there is no need to have an Asian station supplied by the BBC
Sex God
The Xenophobia and right wing rhetoric are predictable and common responses to the hard parts of economic cycles - you will always find them in the lazy columns of the tabloid wasters, it saves having to actually think about what is happening.
Personally I believe what we are seeing isnt a thing that is about international borders, its about the owners of labour and the owners of the means of production (no Im not a Marxist by nature). I think we are witnessing a sea change in the way the world sees non productive speculative bankers who produce nothing, make nothing and add no value whatsoever to the world rake huge amounts of money off the backs of those of us who do produce something meaningful.
I have no doubt that the early stages will be painful, but the truth is as much as the rich believe we cannot get by without them they will not eventually be able to resist the fact that the truth is quite the opposite.
These people from Italy and Portugal are working men like me, and I have no doubt there would be whoops of congratulatory joy if a British company was awarded a contract in their countries. So lets not blame the working man for a system of monetary nonsense founded on greed, lets just watch the pin striped fuckers fall.
Personally I believe what we are seeing isnt a thing that is about international borders, its about the owners of labour and the owners of the means of production (no Im not a Marxist by nature). I think we are witnessing a sea change in the way the world sees non productive speculative bankers who produce nothing, make nothing and add no value whatsoever to the world rake huge amounts of money off the backs of those of us who do produce something meaningful.
I have no doubt that the early stages will be painful, but the truth is as much as the rich believe we cannot get by without them they will not eventually be able to resist the fact that the truth is quite the opposite.
These people from Italy and Portugal are working men like me, and I have no doubt there would be whoops of congratulatory joy if a British company was awarded a contract in their countries. So lets not blame the working man for a system of monetary nonsense founded on greed, lets just watch the pin striped fuckers fall.
Quote by essex34m
If they have the funds to field candidates, then it`s a dead cert that the BNP will end up with members of parliament at the next election
Aided and abetted by right-wing tabloids stoking up the fires with thinly-veiled xenophobic rants that seek to conflate the freedom of movement of workers within the E.U. with spongers, scroungers, and illegal immigrants, and have little in the way of any factual detail whatsoever.
And no doubt possibly encouraged by people who feel there is no need to have an Asian station supplied by the BBC
No doubt and possibly, represent an opinion and not a fact.
All Gaunty was saying is that if there was a programme just for say whites, supplied by the BBC there would be uproar. Like the programme black on black I think it is called. What outcry would there be if the programme was called white on white.
All he wants is equal measures for all. That surely is a good way
Sex God
kewl , what kind of content would Gaunty suggest for a program like that ?
Sex God
All we need now is someone to start quoting 'rivers of blood' and this debate shall be complete
Quote by noladreams30
All we need now is someone to start quoting 'rivers of blood' and this debate shall be complete
So obviously you are one of many who think subjects like this, should be locked away and never talked about?
That just leads to more frustration and dissharmony. Talking about these things is neither illegal, or against any AUP.
Subjects won't go away because people are too scared to talk about them, they just go underground and that just leads to more resentment.....or is that what you would like?
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
All we need now is someone to start quoting 'rivers of blood' and this debate shall be complete
So obviously you are one of many who think subjects like this, should be locked away and never talked about?
That just leads to more frustration and dissharmony. Talking about these things is neither illegal, or against any AUP.
Subjects won't go away because people are too scared to talk about them, they just go underground and that just leads to more resentment.....or is that what you would like?
Not at all Kent. I sometimes question your apparent need to constantly "debate" contentious issues in this forum, but I don't try and stop you.
I was, in this instance, being ironic. See, maybe you didn't get it. I chuckled at flower's response above yours - that made me (self confessed liberal leftie) laugh out loud. It was funny.
But you go right ahead reading into my responses whatever fits your agenda. That's fine; it's your perogative to do so. That isn't debate though.
Sex God
Talking about them is just dandy and as you say very interesting and fun. Preaching selective uninformed snippets of diatribe about them is less so.
Even then to ban or avoid the mention of them, or censor the replies would be to stoop to the level of those that some people get so frustrated about.
I think we learn alot about people from their views about subjects like this, their level of intelligence, their self image and confidence issues and perhaps most relevant of all on a board like this, we learn that often those who proclaim the loudest that they yearn for free speech and open mindedness are the furthest from that ideal you could possibly be.
Isnt it a giggle though that those people are blissfully unaware of their failings and are so vain they probably think this song is about them, dont they , dont they ,dont they ???
Even then to ban or avoid the mention of them, or censor the replies would be to stoop to the level of those that some people get so frustrated about.
I think we learn alot about people from their views about subjects like this, their level of intelligence, their self image and confidence issues and perhaps most relevant of all on a board like this, we learn that often those who proclaim the loudest that they yearn for free speech and open mindedness are the furthest from that ideal you could possibly be.
Isnt it a giggle though that those people are blissfully unaware of their failings and are so vain they probably think this song is about them, dont they , dont they ,dont they ???
Well lots of different views. IMHO if europeans come across here and can do a job better than local people at the same rate of pay then fine. But this situation is not quite that - a foriegn company outbid uk companies, how? Maybe because they pay thier employee's less - if that is the case that is wrong, they should have to pay the going rate for the country they are working in. Or maye the local companies where cr*p.
Moving outside of this, and to a more general point - like i said at the beginning, non-nationals should only get the job if they are better than nationals.
Moving outside of this, and to a more general point - like i said at the beginning, non-nationals should only get the job if they are better than nationals.
Sex God
Quote by Silk and Big G
Isnt it a giggle though that those people are blissfully unaware of their failings and are so vain they probably think this song is about them, dont they , dont they ,dont they ???
I think I resent that
