perhaps no one has discussed this, or is conveniently avoided or simply unaware of. But what do you expect happens to those 'rescued' animals?
what kind of care can a diy activist offer a beagle with a window in its skull? or how does the activist care for an animal addicted to crack cocaine? etc.
say a few score that have been liberated from an experiment clinic, with a variety of horrendous conditions; not very well probably.
and then the power over life or death is handed over to the activist at some point. what do you think is the most likely outcome?
Join the most popular community of UK swingers now
Login
Bullfighting
Quote by duncanlondon
perhaps no one has discussed this, or is conveniently avoided or simply unaware of. But what do you expect happens to those 'rescued' animals?
what kind of care can a diy activist offer a beagle with a window in its skull? or how does the activist care for an animal addicted to crack cocaine? etc.
say a few score that have been liberated from an experiment clinic, with a variety of horrendous conditions; not very well probably.
and then the power over life or death is handed over to the activist at some point. what do you think is the most likely outcome?
I thought this thread was about the banning of bullfighting in Catalonia........
Also a good deal of the excess inhuman suffering is brought about by overproduction of livestock. people no longer consume the whole beast, they just want the best cuts. the rest is turned into pet food.
and there you have another paradox. the pets we love so much eat the other beasts we feel shouldn't be treated so badly.
and there you have another paradox. the pets we love so much eat the other beasts we feel shouldn't be treated so badly.
I thought this thread was about the banning of bullfighting in Catalonia........
well threads chop and change. but it looks as if pressure from activist groups has worked in this case. Bull fighting is such a recognisable part of the Spanish culture that it must have taken a major shift in opinion to make this change.
Or was it just a political manouevre because of the difference between Spain and Catalan? perhaps the Catalans want to from their own coountry?
so what are they going to do with all those baby bulls that were being reared for fighting? probably end up in a seeded bun?
But for us in the UK to make some kind of comparable change we would need to ban not only fox hunting, but deer and game shooting (which is big business in Scotland) and probably comes with Royal approval.
we could include fishing (perish the thought). we'd have to close the zoos. etc.
Then we'd need to look at agriculture and see if the animals were getting a fair deal. well they're not, they are getting eaten.
then the pet industry would be in trouble and we would have hungry rottweillers being abandoned in toweer blocks where they could savage children on their way to school.
then people would begin to feel genuine hunger and they would no longer consider things in quite the same way. they would eat anything.
well threads chop and change. but it looks as if pressure from activist groups has worked in this case. Bull fighting is such a recognisable part of the Spanish culture that it must have taken a major shift in opinion to make this change.
Or was it just a political manouevre because of the difference between Spain and Catalan? perhaps the Catalans want to from their own coountry?
so what are they going to do with all those baby bulls that were being reared for fighting? probably end up in a seeded bun?
But for us in the UK to make some kind of comparable change we would need to ban not only fox hunting, but deer and game shooting (which is big business in Scotland) and probably comes with Royal approval.
we could include fishing (perish the thought). we'd have to close the zoos. etc.
Then we'd need to look at agriculture and see if the animals were getting a fair deal. well they're not, they are getting eaten.
then the pet industry would be in trouble and we would have hungry rottweillers being abandoned in toweer blocks where they could savage children on their way to school.
then people would begin to feel genuine hunger and they would no longer consider things in quite the same way. they would eat anything.
Sex God
the blundering activist/anti are usually blinkered and spectacular at scoring own goals
like the mink release
yet as blue rightly says completely missing the farmed produce like pigs and chickens
i do remember being on a shoot once when antis ran through a wood trying to scare the birds away only to push more birds over the guns heads in the valley below than the beaters ever could
like the mink release
yet as blue rightly says completely missing the farmed produce like pigs and chickens
i do remember being on a shoot once when antis ran through a wood trying to scare the birds away only to push more birds over the guns heads in the valley below than the beaters ever could
Fishing must qualify as a blood sport surely?
You know you see these magazines and programmes of some jovial looking fellow as he reels in another 'monster' from the deep. With a hearty cheer he weighs it and looks very pleased with himself. the triumph of ingenuity and technology over the trout etc.
or is there a difference between hot and cold blolod sports?
is the blood in the 'sport' or in the killing?
and why would you want to frighten a fish near to death and then let it go? what kind of sporty feeling is that? power over the pike? terrorising the tench?
no sportsman run about in reeboks. anyone doing anything with animals needs to have a good or bad reason for it.
You know you see these magazines and programmes of some jovial looking fellow as he reels in another 'monster' from the deep. With a hearty cheer he weighs it and looks very pleased with himself. the triumph of ingenuity and technology over the trout etc.
or is there a difference between hot and cold blolod sports?
is the blood in the 'sport' or in the killing?
and why would you want to frighten a fish near to death and then let it go? what kind of sporty feeling is that? power over the pike? terrorising the tench?
no sportsman run about in reeboks. anyone doing anything with animals needs to have a good or bad reason for it.
Quote by duncanlondon
well threads chop and change. but it looks as if pressure from activist groups has worked in this case. Bull fighting is such a recognisable part of the Spanish culture that it must have taken a major shift in opinion to make this change.
Or was it just a political manouevre because of the difference between Spain and Catalan? perhaps the Catalans want to from their own coountry?
so what are they going to do with all those baby bulls that were being reared for fighting? probably end up in a seeded bun?
But for us in the UK to make some kind of comparable change we would need to ban not only fox hunting, but deer and game shooting (which is big business in Scotland) and probably comes with Royal approval.
we could include fishing (perish the thought). we'd have to close the zoos. etc.
Then we'd need to look at agriculture and see if the animals were getting a fair deal. well they're not, they are getting eaten.
then the pet industry would be in trouble and we would have hungry rottweillers being abandoned in toweer blocks where they could savage children on their way to school.
then people would begin to feel genuine hunger and they would no longer consider things in quite the same way. they would eat anything.
Does it really matter what the reason behind the ban is? Surely the fact that it has been banned can only be a good thing?
Your claims that the UK would have to ban fox hunting ( already done) deer and game shooting , fishing, closing zoos, pet industry, blah, blah to be comparible are nonsense as these are not exclusive to the UK and occur in Spain too....and don't make the mistake of thinking that means I'm in favour of any of those things.
Why not just be pleased that a barbaric sport, whether an ingrained part of Spanish culture or not, has been banned in part of Spain.
Does it really matter what the reason behind the ban is? Surely the fact that it has been banned can only be a good thing?
Your claims that the UK would have to ban fox hunting ( already done) deer and game shooting , fishing, closing zoos, pet industry, blah, blah to be comparible are nonsense as these are not exclusive to the UK and occur in Spain too....and don't make the mistake of thinking that means I'm in favour of any of those things.
Why not just be pleased that a barbaric sport, whether an ingrained part of Spanish culture or not, has been banned in part of Spain.
It does matter because without the reason it may not have happened. you're pleased and the reason is?
I suppose we have to consider human rights before aniaml rights then? meanwhuile another species becomes extinct, whilst we dither about feeling pleased with ourselves.
Well if the Catalans can ban a dearly belove 'sport' we can show eqaul willing to do something similar. then the catalans can ban anything else nasty that they do, as can the rest of the world. then we will all be happy. being exclusive is no reason to skirt around the issue.
What about flyswatting? A barbaric 'sport' if ever I saw one. a human dashes about making a complete fool of themself and then in a fury batters the fly into a bloody mess. we even leave the doors open to give ourselves a 'reason', for their wholesale slaughter.
And what about walking across heathland in summer. there must be hundreds of insects underfoot, being crushed by a doc marten boot? its a diabolical liberty on wildlife.
Your claims that the UK would have to ban fox hunting ( already done) deer and game shooting , fishing, closing zoos, pet industry, blah, blah to be comparible are nonsense as these are not exclusive to the UK and occur in Spain too....and don't make the mistake of thinking that means I'm in favour of any of those things.
Why not just be pleased that a barbaric sport, whether an ingrained part of Spanish culture or not, has been banned in part of Spain.
It does matter because without the reason it may not have happened. you're pleased and the reason is?
I suppose we have to consider human rights before aniaml rights then? meanwhuile another species becomes extinct, whilst we dither about feeling pleased with ourselves.
Well if the Catalans can ban a dearly belove 'sport' we can show eqaul willing to do something similar. then the catalans can ban anything else nasty that they do, as can the rest of the world. then we will all be happy. being exclusive is no reason to skirt around the issue.
What about flyswatting? A barbaric 'sport' if ever I saw one. a human dashes about making a complete fool of themself and then in a fury batters the fly into a bloody mess. we even leave the doors open to give ourselves a 'reason', for their wholesale slaughter.
And what about walking across heathland in summer. there must be hundreds of insects underfoot, being crushed by a doc marten boot? its a diabolical liberty on wildlife.
Quote by duncanlondon
It does matter because without the reason it may not have happened. you're pleased and the reason is?
I suppose we have to consider human rights before aniaml rights then? meanwhuile another species becomes extinct, whilst we dither about feeling pleased with ourselves.
Well if the Catalans can ban a dearly belove 'sport' we can show eqaul willing to do something similar. then the catalans can ban anything else nasty that they do, as can the rest of the world. then we will all be happy. being exclusive is no reason to skirt around the issue.
What about flyswatting? A barbaric 'sport' if ever I saw one. a human dashes about making a complete fool of themself and then in a fury batters the fly into a bloody mess. we even leave the doors open to give ourselves a 'reason', for their wholesale slaughter.
And what about walking across heathland in summer. there must be hundreds of insects underfoot, being crushed by a doc marten boot? its a diabolical liberty on wildlife.
I am pleased because a barbaric sport has been banned, is that such a difficult concept to understand? I won't bother responding to the rest of the nonsense.
Orgasminator
Quote by Max777
I am pleased because a barbaric sport has been banned, is that such a difficult concept to understand? I won't bother responding to the rest of the nonsense.
What he said! :laughabove:Absolutely!
:thumbup:
Dunno why last 2 tries came up blank though... wont let me delete them either. Gremlins
Sex God
Quote by Max777
Your claims that the UK would have to ban fox hunting ( already done) deer and game shooting , fishing, closing zoos, pet industry, blah, blah to be comparable are nonsense as these are not exclusive to the UK and occur in Spain too....and don't make the mistake of thinking that means I'm in favour of any of those things.
If you believe Fox hunting has been banned then you are only fooling your self. A ban did come into place but it has not stopped fox hunting and not saved a single foxes life. The wording of the law was so badly worded most hunts have been able to continue hunting almost as normal, with only a handful of prosecutions.
In fact it seamed to have had the opposite effect of what was hoped for by those who attempted the ban. In my view fox hunting was slowly dying a slow but natural death. The publicity and press the ban received boosted the hunt profile and now more people are hunting with hounds and more foxes are being killed than before the haunting ban took place
I do not care one bit about bull fighting either way, but it could just galvanise the rest of the country into action to prevent the ban spreading and in doing so increase it popularity
Quote by duncanlondon
What about fly swatting? A barbaric 'sport' if ever I saw one. a human dashes about making a complete fool of them self and then in a fury batters the fly into a bloody mess. we even leave the doors open to give ourselves a 'reason', for their wholesale slaughter.
Is this nonsense as suggested by others here? Is a Bulls life of more value than a fly?
I may hunt a rabbit with a dog, but not a hair, I can hunt a rat with a dog but not a fox, Why the difference?
Quote by Bluefish2009
Your claims that the UK would have to ban fox hunting ( already done) deer and game shooting , fishing, closing zoos, pet industry, blah, blah to be comparable are nonsense as these are not exclusive to the UK and occur in Spain too....and don't make the mistake of thinking that means I'm in favour of any of those things.
If you believe Fox hunting has been banned then you are only fooling your self. A ban did come into place but it has not stopped fox hunting and not saved a single foxes life. The wording of the law was so badly worded most hunts have been able to continue hunting almost as normal, with only a handful of prosecutions.
In fact it seamed to have had the opposite effect of what was hoped for by those who attempted the ban. In my view fox hunting was slowly dying a slow but natural death. The publicity and press the ban received boosted the hunt profile and now more people are hunting with hounds and more foxes are being killed than before the haunting ban took place
I do not care one bit about bull fighting either way, but it could just galvanise the rest of the country into action to prevent the ban spreading and in doing so increase it popularity
Quote by duncanlondon
What about fly swatting? A barbaric 'sport' if ever I saw one. a human dashes about making a complete fool of them self and then in a fury batters the fly into a bloody mess. we even leave the doors open to give ourselves a 'reason', for their wholesale slaughter.
Is this nonsense as suggested by others here? Is a Bulls life of more value than a fly?
I may hunt a rabbit with a dog, but not a hair, I can hunt a rat with a dog but not a fox, Why the difference?
I'm not fooling myself at all. I said fox hunting had been banned, I made no comment as to whether the law was enforced or not.
In answer to your question, yes it's a nonsense. Other than Duncan, did anyone suggest that any animal's life is worth more than any other's? I'm really not sure what point he was trying to prove.......is fly swatting regarded as a sport anywhere?
Sex God
Quote by Max777
In answer to your question, yes it's a nonsense. Other than Duncan, did anyone suggest that any animal's life is worth more than any other's? I'm really not sure what point he was trying to prove.......is fly swatting regarded as a sport anywhere?
I don't disagree with anything you have written, my simple point was, why is it seen OK to swat a fly or set terriers on rats, but we can not have the same treatment for a fox for instance. Why do people feel its OK to torcher a rat but not a bull?
Are they not equally entitled to an unfettered life?
Quote by Bluefish2009
In answer to your question, yes it's a nonsense. Other than Duncan, did anyone suggest that any animal's life is worth more than any other's? I'm really not sure what point he was trying to prove.......is fly swatting regarded as a sport anywhere?
I don't disagree with anything you have written, my simple point was, why is it seen OK to swat a fly or set terriers on rats, but we can not have the same treatment for a fox for instance. Why do people feel its OK to torcher a rat but not a bull?
Are they not equally entitled to an unfettered life?
Maybe the people who feel it's OK to torture rats also feel it's OK to kill bulls?
I don't agree with either. Sex God
Quote by Max777
In answer to your question, yes it's a nonsense. Other than Duncan, did anyone suggest that any animal's life is worth more than any other's? I'm really not sure what point he was trying to prove.......is fly swatting regarded as a sport anywhere?
I don't disagree with anything you have written, my simple point was, why is it seen OK to swat a fly or set terriers on rats, but we can not have the same treatment for a fox for instance. Why do people feel its OK to torcher a rat but not a bull?
Are they not equally entitled to an unfettered life?
Maybe the people who feel it's OK to torture rats also feel it's OK to kill bulls?
I don't agree with either.I like your moral viewpoint/stance, although, very different to mine, and yes you are probably right, to a point. But there are so many who have blatant double standards and that really gets my goat.
Quote by Bluefish2009
I don't disagree with anything you have written, my simple point was, why is it seen OK to swat a fly or set terriers on rats, but we can not have the same treatment for a fox for instance. Why do people feel its OK to torcher a rat but not a bull?
Are they not equally entitled to an unfettered life?
Blue I do not agree with the torture of animals but....if you was run alive with rats in your house what would you do?
You would either put down poison or set traps to kill them I would presume? Or you would get a professional in who would do pretty much the same.
Rats are slightly different to the torture of bulls in a ring for humans pleasure.
I hate fox hunting too, it is barbaric.
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
I don't disagree with anything you have written, my simple point was, why is it seen OK to swat a fly or set terriers on rats, but we can not have the same treatment for a fox for instance. Why do people feel its OK to torcher a rat but not a bull?
Are they not equally entitled to an unfettered life?
Blue I do not agree with the torture of animals but....if you was run alive with rats in your house what would you do?
You would either put down poison or set traps to kill them I would presume? Or you would get a professional in who would do pretty much the same.
Rats are slightly different to the torture of bulls in a ring for humans pleasure.
I hate fox hunting too, it is barbaric.
So its OK to kill some thing that is a pest to you?
Rather than treat the symptoms, get your bloody bins emptied once a week
With a rat problem on a farm or countryside I would use terriers, they are perfect little killing machines and dispatch a rat in seconds, quickly and cleanly and no poison to harm other animals. The trouble here comes the terrier man enjoys watching his terrier work and it becomes a sport.
Yes I know your stance on fox hunting, the opposite of mine :wink:
Sex God
Quote by kentswingers777
get your bloody bins emptied once a week
Looks like I will be very soon going by what I read today.
:thumbup::thumbup:
Quote by Bluefish2009
In answer to your question, yes it's a nonsense. Other than Duncan, did anyone suggest that any animal's life is worth more than any other's? I'm really not sure what point he was trying to prove.......is fly swatting regarded as a sport anywhere?
I don't disagree with anything you have written, my simple point was, why is it seen OK to swat a fly or set terriers on rats, but we can not have the same treatment for a fox for instance. Why do people feel its OK to torcher a rat but not a bull?
Are they not equally entitled to an unfettered life?
Maybe the people who feel it's OK to torture rats also feel it's OK to kill bulls?
I don't agree with either.I like your moral viewpoint/stance, although, very different to mine, and yes you are probably right, to a point. But there are so many who have blatant double standards and that really gets my goat.
Blue, I make no apologies for the fact that I am not into hunting, shooting, fishing, baiting, torturing or in any way mal-treating animals and in a perfect world, all animals raised for food would live a much happier life than many ( most) actually do. This thread was originally about the banning of bull fighting in Catalonia and surely the fact that there are now animals that will not be tortured and killed in the name of sport has to be a good thing?
Quote by duncanlondon
In answer to your question, yes it's a nonsense.
Other than Duncan, did anyone suggest that any
animal's life is worth more than any other's?
I'm really not sure what point he was trying to
prove.......is fly swatting regarded as a sport anywhere?
duncanlondon wrote:
some little known sports presumably?
it only took a few minutes of inputting ideas into google.
and your point is?
to answer your question above.
well as you're so concerned about the welfare of flies, I suggest you try to get the sport banned.......although I don't see any address for the sports governing body on the link provided.
Sex God
Quote by Max777
In answer to your question, yes it's a nonsense. Other than Duncan, did anyone suggest that any animal's life is worth more than any other's? I'm really not sure what point he was trying to prove.......is fly swatting regarded as a sport anywhere?
I don't disagree with anything you have written, my simple point was, why is it seen OK to swat a fly or set terriers on rats, but we can not have the same treatment for a fox for instance. Why do people feel its OK to torcher a rat but not a bull?
Are they not equally entitled to an unfettered life?
Maybe the people who feel it's OK to torture rats also feel it's OK to kill bulls?
I don't agree with either.I like your moral viewpoint/stance, although, very different to mine, and yes you are probably right, to a point. But there are so many who have blatant double standards and that really gets my goat.
Blue, I make no apologies for the fact that I am not into hunting, shooting, fishing, baiting, torturing or in any way mal-treating animals and in a perfect world, all animals raised for food would live a much happier life than many ( most) actually do. This thread was originally about the banning of bull fighting in Catalonia and surely the fact that there are now animals that will not be tortured and killed in the name of sport has to be a good thing?
I fully respect, understand, and admire your stance.
I also make no apologies for being a supporter of Hunting, shooting and to a lesser degree fishing. As for the animals we eat having a happy life would say, sadly, they are still in the minority rather than the majority.
Shooting is a way we can ensure the animals we eat have had the best life possible so makes me very happy
As for whether the ban turns out to be a good thing, only time will tell
Quote by duncanlondon
the point is that the barbaric behaviour of humans is the same whether it be a bull or a fly. if not then there's different levels of barbarity or intentions thereof etc.
so people who regulalry practice blood sports don't see it as barbaric. it means the same as swatting a fly to some.
Sorry Duncan, I have read the first paragraph several times and it makes no sense to me at all.
I wouldn't argue with the second paragraph but that's not what this thread was about....until you went off on your rant about animal activists and fly swatting.
Sex God
Quote by Max777
the point is that the barbaric behaviour of humans is the same whether it be a bull or a fly. if not then there's different levels of barbarity or intentions thereof etc.
so people who regulalry practice blood sports don't see it as barbaric. it means the same as swatting a fly to some.
Sorry Duncan, I have read the first paragraph several times and it makes no sense to me at all.
I wouldn't argue with the second paragraph but that's not what this thread was about....until you went off on your rant about animal activists and fly swatting.
I think I follow what Duncan is saying, why would it be right for Mr.X to swat a fly and then say how disgusting it is for the matador to do what he does to a Bull
Quote by Bluefish2009
the point is that the barbaric behaviour of humans is the same whether it be a bull or a fly. if not then there's different levels of barbarity or intentions thereof etc.
so people who regulalry practice blood sports don't see it as barbaric. it means the same as swatting a fly to some.
Sorry Duncan, I have read the first paragraph several times and it makes no sense to me at all.
I wouldn't argue with the second paragraph but that's not what this thread was about....until you went off on your rant about animal activists and fly swatting.
I think I follow what Duncan is saying, why would it be right for Mr.X to swat a fly and then say how disgusting it is for the matador to do what he does to a Bull
No award of the Crystal Kitemark for plain English then!
there's been a bit of drama thrown in there to open up the debate. the purpose to see the bigger picture. because if you constrain a debate within a narrow set of conditions then its no more than a set of procedures to a perceived conclusion. ie everyone agrees because there seems to be no way forward.
so what was getting debated? blood sports, people's barbaric nature, the Spanish and Catalan governments and cultures. too much to be summed up in a tabloid quote. who wanted to debate what?, and why should it be confined to an indivdual's requirements.
so what was getting debated? blood sports, people's barbaric nature, the Spanish and Catalan governments and cultures. too much to be summed up in a tabloid quote. who wanted to debate what?, and why should it be confined to an indivdual's requirements.
Quote by duncanlondon
there's been a bit of drama thrown in there to open up the debate. the purpose to see the bigger picture. because if you constrain a debate within a narrow set of conditions then its no more than a set of procedures to a perceived conclusion. ie everyone agrees because there seems to be no way forward.
so what was getting debated? blood sports, people's barbaric nature, the Spanish and Catalan governments and cultures. too much to be summed up in a tabloid quote. who wanted to debate what?, and why should it be confined to an indivdual's requirements.
Drama being the operative word.
So a single topic such as the banning of bullfighting can not be debated due to it being within a narrow set of conditions and everyone would be in agreement? Sorry but that's utter rubbish.
At least a tabloid quote would be comprehensible, unlike a load of pretentious gabble.
