By Hook or by.....

12 Apr 2012

Well, that's settled then.
Back to the Hook.
If they are illegal immigrants in the UK, his family should be sent back from whence they came by the Border Agency (when they eventually catch up with the back-log). Shouldn't be too difficult to find them though; they've had the press and half of the Met Police contingent on their doorstep for goodness knows how long wink

One thing is very sure; they won't be welcomed with open arms in the USA.

12 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
You should also know that, in France, it is regarded as impolite to shake the hand of someone you have already greeted that day for the reason that it suggests you have forgotten the earlier meeting.

maybe in france they do do that as obviously the french have ever such short memory's, but were they in france when this happened?
er i think it was in brussels. maybe your french president should remember where he is GNV, as once again his memory needs to be looked at.
the french seemed to think there was no snub, and yet most others think it was. still at the end of the day they ended up being best buddies for the cameras.
Quelle que soit blink

12 Apr 2012

I bet he don't go..................

12 Apr 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
maybe in france they do do that as obviously the french have ever such short memory's,

Actually, the opposite is true. They have good memory and good manners. Pity some Brits don't share this trait.

Quote by star
but were they in france when this happened?
er i think it was in brussels. maybe your french president should remember where he is GNV, as once again his memory needs to be looked at.

He is French and DC is British. Both have good grooming and good manners. It wouldn't matter if they had met in Timbuktu to be honest; there was a mutual respect of each other's culture.

Quote by star
the french seemed to think there was no snub, and yet most others think it was. still at the end of the day they ended up being best buddies for the cameras.

Your link suggests otherwise. I think the French commentators have it right and the BBC are found lacking, once again.

Quote by A correspondent in star's link
"I am not a Europhile but on this specific incident the BBC have been quite mischievous - they repeat this moment a lot without the preceeding handshake to fit the narrative of the? rift..."

You really must read further down the page if you are going to rely on these links to support your cause star rolleyes

Every commentator in your helpful link says the same. This doesn't fit with your suggestion that 'most others think it was' .

Quote by star
Quelle que soit

que sera, sera

12 Apr 2012

Quote by browning
I bet he don't go..................

Hell hath no fury like a woman (Home Secretary) scorned!
He'll go - even if it's in a box.

12 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
Actually, the opposite is true. They have good memory and good manners. Pity some Brits don't share this trait.

says the man who now lives there. :doh:

Quote by GnV
I think the French commentators have it right and the BBC are found lacking, once again.

you still have a british passport GNV or have you decided to be french citizen? flipa

the impartial BBC are found lacking? perish the thought.

Quote by GnV
que sera, sera

is that a snub, as i know that you being french i did not want to think i had forgotten. wink

12 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
I bet he don't go..................

Hell hath no fury like a woman (Home Secretary) scorned!
He'll go - even if it's in a box.
As sure as eggs are eggs, he will go wink

12 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
Well, that's settled then.
Back to the Hook.
If they are illegal immigrants in the UK, his family should be sent back from whence they came .........

Unfortunately not. Some stupid woman with British citizenship actually voluntarily married the animal and bred kids with him. I'll just bet they're little angels! So unfortunately he was granted leave to stay and neither her nor the kids can be removed.
Hell, i'd even pay extra to add some metal to his anatomy...a few ounces of lead lodged deep in his skull.

13 Apr 2012

lets hope they move him quick before the "lets get rich on the tax payer as a human rights barristers" get their claws into him

15 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
lets hope they move him quick before the "lets get rich on the tax payer as a human rights barristers" get their claws into him

I thought that is why he has stayed for so long wink

Dave_Notts

15 Apr 2012

makes one heart bleed. :violin:

15 Apr 2012

I read somewhere he has 6 months to appeal...............

18 Apr 2012

So now the EU say we cannot deport him because he has appealed, then let the EU hold him in Brussels, why should the EU dictate who and who we cannot deport from our Country, deport him and ignore them, if he asks for compensation, refuse to pay, who is going to do anything about it, will the EU kick us out (oh please please let them kick us out) they will mouth thier objections, shout and have a tantrum but that is all they will do.
They have done less about war criminals such as those in Iraq and Bosnia, hell most of the best scientific brains were declared war criminals at the end of WWII and we welcomed them with open arms providing they worked for us and every other country did the same.
What will they do if we just deport him anyway, what will they do if we refuse to pay him compensation ? declare us bankrupt and refuse our EU payments perhaps, I think not.
Israel, Australia, USA, would just go ahead and do it, you cannot play "English Cricket rules with terrorists"

18 Apr 2012

Quote by MidsCouple24
So now the EU say we cannot deport him because he has appealed, then let the EU hold him in Brussels, why should the EU dictate who and who we cannot deport from our Country, deport him and ignore them, if he asks for compensation, refuse to pay, who is going to do anything about it, will the EU kick us out (oh please please let them kick us out) they will mouth thier objections, shout and have a tantrum but that is all they will do.
They have done less about war criminals such as those in Iraq and Bosnia, hell most of the best scientific brains were declared war criminals at the end of WWII and we welcomed them with open arms providing they worked for us and every other country did the same.
What will they do if we just deport him anyway, what will they do if we refuse to pay him compensation ? declare us bankrupt and refuse our EU payments perhaps, I think not.
Israel, Australia, USA, would just go ahead and do it, you cannot play "English Cricket rules with terrorists"

mids whether we like it or not Mrs May is going to act in the legal and proper way. i agree with you that we should just send him back but this government are determined to have no comebacks.
due process it is called mids, and then we wonder why he is still here after nine years of legal clap trap.

18 Apr 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
mids whether we like it or not Mrs May is going to act in the legal and proper way. i agree with you that we should just send him back but this government are determined to have no comebacks.
due process it is called mids, and then we wonder why he is still here after nine years of legal clap trap.

One hopes that Theresa May will act in a legal and proper way, but did she mis-lead Parliament yesterday when in her Commons statement she said the deadline for an appeal had passed, saying he could be removed from the UK "in full compliance of law".
However today the European Court of Human Rights said it had received an appeal go to the Grand Chamber of the court at 23:00 BST on Tuesday, after Theresa May's statement and before the deadline expired.
(When Strasbourg halted the deportation on 17th January, the parties were told they had three months to request an appeal to the Grand Chamber.)
Shadow justice minister Chris Bryant said "All of us want Abu Qatada to be deported to Jordan; we also want the Home Secretary to go through the proper processes, abide by the law so we don't end up having to pay compensation to this ghastly man - but what seems to have happened is that the very basic, details weren't done before the big fanfare of the announcement yesterday."

18 Apr 2012

Quote by HnS
One hopes that Theresa May will act in a legal and proper way, but did she mis-lead Parliament yesterday when in her Commons statement she said the deadline for an appeal had passed, saying he could be removed from the UK "in full compliance of law".

she has HNS according to what she just stated on sky news. the time given of 3 months expired on the 16 april, so he has run out of time to appeal.

Quote by HnS
However today the European Court of Human Rights said it had received an appeal go to the Grand Chamber of the court at 23:00 BST on Tuesday, after Theresa May's statement and before the deadline expired.
(When Strasbourg halted the deportation on 17th January, the parties were told they had three months to request an appeal to the Grand Chamber.)

as mrs may has already stated, this is purely a delaying tactic by Qatada, and that the time scale has passed for an appeal.

Quote by HnS
Shadow justice minister Chris Bryant said "All of us want Abu Qatada to be deported to Jordan; we also want the Home Secretary to go through the proper processes, abide by the law so we don't end up having to pay compensation to this ghastly man - but what seems to have happened is that the very basic, details weren't done before the big fanfare of the announcement yesterday."

once again chris bryant is a shadow justice minister for a reason. he as usual gets it wrong.
mrs mays comments are currently not on the sky news website, but she is convinced this is purely a delaying tactic by his lawyers, and that the grand chamber will not allow his appeal. the british government have agreed with the Jordanian government, and those agreements have met with the court of human rights proposals for his deportation from the uk, from there hearing of january 2012.

18 Apr 2012

my personal opinion is sack may and employ Nicolas Sarkozy in her place.
no need for the European court or human rights then :haha:

18 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
my personal opinion is sack may and employ Nicolas Sarkozy in her place.
no need for the European court or human rights then :haha:

He might be available after the first round of the Presidential Elections on Sunday wink

18 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
my personal opinion is sack may and employ Nicolas Sarkozy in her place.
no need for the European court or human rights then :haha:

He might be available after the first round of the Presidential Elections on Sunday wink

tell him the job's his

18 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
my personal opinion is sack may and employ Nicolas Sarkozy in her place.
no need for the European court or human rights then :haha:

He might be available after the first round of the Presidential Elections on Sunday wink

tell him the job's his
(call me) Dave has already beaten me to it....

18 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
my personal opinion is sack may and employ Nicolas Sarkozy in her place.
no need for the European court or human rights then :haha:

He might be available after the first round of the Presidential Elections on Sunday wink

tell him the job's his
no rob, he dont know how to shake hands rotflmao

19 Apr 2012

Don't care about the rights and wrongs, don't care about subsequent claims for compensation ignore the laws ignore the claims, kick him out, incur the few months from the rest of the world for a week and be done with him.
He is guilty of inciting racial hatred in this country, we have all seen him do it in public no trial is needed for that, if I did what he has done I would be in prison now but we dont want him in a British Prison so just pack him off to Jordan.
Under Thatcher rule he would have been gone 9 years ago, remember the fuss over sinking the Belgranno 30 years ago (2nd May 1982) probably not, there wasnt a lot of fuss, despite the fact that she was at the time in International free waters and heading for home, a few raised eyebrows and statements of "not cricket" from around the world then forgotton, (I should add that I supported that action too and believe it saved many lives since the Argentine Navy went back to port and didn't come out to play again).
Just do it, send him once its done he aint getting back in here and any subsequent claims for anything from him and his legal team should be just ignored.

19 Apr 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
my personal opinion is sack may and employ Nicolas Sarkozy in her place.
no need for the European court or human rights then :haha:

He might be available after the first round of the Presidential Elections on Sunday wink

tell him the job's his
no rob, he dont know how to shake hands rotflmao

How can you shake hands with a hook dunno

19 Apr 2012

Quote by starlightcouple
my personal opinion is sack may and employ Nicolas Sarkozy in her place.
no need for the European court or human rights then :haha:

He might be available after the first round of the Presidential Elections on Sunday wink

tell him the job's his
no rob, he dont know how to shake hands rotflmao

How can you shake hands with a hook dunno

20 Apr 2012

Whilst I have no love for Abu Hamza or his followers,I do often find the revelling in others misfortune both here and in the less salubrious areas of our press equally repugnant ... do we have so little trust in OUR judicial system that we need to send others abroad for trial ??

20 Apr 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Whilst I have no love for Abu Hamza or his followers,I do often find the revelling in others misfortune both here and in the less salubrious areas of our press equally repugnant ... do we have so little trust in OUR judicial system that we need to send others abroad for trial ??

so why are we harbouring a convicted terrorist again????

20 Apr 2012

Quote by Lizaleanrob
Whilst I have no love for Abu Hamza or his followers,I do often find the revelling in others misfortune both here and in the less salubrious areas of our press equally repugnant ... do we have so little trust in OUR judicial system that we need to send others abroad for trial ??

so why are we harbouring a convicted terrorist again????
He is/was going through legal process, every one has a right to that process without prejudice,justice as they say must be SEEN to be done ... I'm satisfied with that,I trust our judicial system ... as Doris Day said que sera sera

20 Apr 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Whilst I have no love for Abu Hamza or his followers,I do often find the revelling in others misfortune both here and in the less salubrious areas of our press equally repugnant ... do we have so little trust in OUR judicial system that we need to send others abroad for trial ??

Did he commit an offence in the UK in respect of which he can be tried in the UK or were his alleged offences committed elsewhere?
The hook's indictments are raised in the USA AFAIK so how can he be tried in the UK?

20 Apr 2012

Quote by GnV
Whilst I have no love for Abu Hamza or his followers,I do often find the revelling in others misfortune both here and in the less salubrious areas of our press equally repugnant ... do we have so little trust in OUR judicial system that we need to send others abroad for trial ??

Did he commit an offence in the UK in respect of which he can be tried in the UK or were his alleged offences committed elsewhere?
The hook's indictments are raised in the USA AFAIK so how can he be tried in the UK?
He is being tried and has been tried several times in this country ...it's about time we let a court have a go
Oh and those extradition hearing how do they work then ??

20 Apr 2012

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Whilst I have no love for Abu Hamza or his followers,I do often find the revelling in others misfortune both here and in the less salubrious areas of our press equally repugnant ... do we have so little trust in OUR judicial system that we need to send others abroad for trial ??

Did he commit an offence in the UK in respect of which he can be tried in the UK or were his alleged offences committed elsewhere?
The hook's indictments are raised in the USA AFAIK so how can he be tried in the UK?
He is being tried and has been tried several times in this country ...it's about time we let a court have a go
Oh and those extradition hearing how do they work then ??
Extradition, ain't that a slower version of rendition ?
dunno