After the terrible attack in London I wonder if UKIP would / could / should promise a referendum on bringing back the death penalty for terrorism and killing of police officers ?
If they did I suspect it would push them even higher in the polls. Doubt Lib-dems or Labour could say they would do the same thing, but would the Tories have to follow suit to stay in the race ?
John
For the 2 sadistic bastards who killed that poor soldier I believe capital punishment should be the way...
There's no arguing or contesting their guilt....
Hang em......Shoot em.....
I don't believe in capital punishment and in this case double so as it would be far far too quick. The sort of punishment i'd mete out would involve a very basic cell very basic foodstuff a hammer and a lifetime, and I mean lifetime, supply of large rocks. Oh and one way mirror so the outside can look in and see a monster.
For those two absolutely NOT. They tried "death by cop" as a way to send them into martyrdom and off to meet their forty virgins. Tough shit for them that it did not happen and they can now spend the rest of their miserable fucked up lives repenting and regretting in Belmarsh prison.
Death is what they wanted and instead we can wish them a long and unpleasant LIFE. With a bit of luck the gunshot wounds will have disabled them permanently and so make their lives even more agonising.
Irrespective of this incident, Capital Punishment by the State has no place in the modern world. Assuming that the debate is about retribution and revenge? It actually releases the culprits from punishment which is not really what we want if we are looking for revenge.
I'm sure Allah saved these two guys so that he could watch their every pain, as the home made infected shanks pull through every nerve ending as they slice through their skin in the showers, to watch their faces melt with boiling water with added sugar to make it stick, as its thrown in their faces, to listen to the bones crack and break when the screw forgets to lock their cells
three words for these guys when they get sentenced. "welcome to hell" this is YOUR reward and don't worry, Allah WILL be be watching every minute of it.
i think the death sentence would be a travesty.
for me the only way i can think to support this guy after his untimely death would be to wear the help for heroes brand as ordered today
No, Nope, Never, but if it was, why just for the murder of a police officer, why not the same for anyone going about their job, security guards, firepersons, nurses, the binman, I recall a taxi driver murdered by Miners because he was taking people to work at the pitts ?
What we need is life imprisonment to mean life imprisonment, hard labour for those convicted, expulsion from the UK for any immigrant families of those convicted.
Those that carry out suicide attacks don't care about themselves, they want to die as part of the act because they believe it will give them a better life in the afterlife, the death penalty is not a detterent, if they thought their families would be affected they might just think differently.
Being imprisoned for the rest of their lives with no chance of parole takes away the opportunity of that "better afterlife" and hard labour for life is far worse than lethal injection or the gas chamber to someone who has decided to die for what they believe.
Add to that the number of "mistakes" in convictions that have taken place one innocent persons life makes us as bad as them.
I would also give life sentances for those convicted of "attempted murder" ie those that fail in their attempts, there have been a lot of terrorists arrested recently when their attacks were foiled.
Those 2 scum bags should be given to the Regiment that the innocent soldier came from and say here lads do as you will. No date , no time, no cameras, no media , No martyrdom , let them just dissapear. No tax payers money keeping this shit of society alive !
Thanks for the replies, but none answered the specific question.
So I'll change it round a bit.
The question now is;
If UKIP promised a referendum on Capital Punishment as part of their manifesto would it make you more or less likely to vote for them ?
For me, it would make me more likely to vote for them, even tho I may vote against Capital Punishment, I'd like the chance to have my say.
John
Sorry John, got sidetracked, as usual. ;) I'd be surprised now you mention it if it's not occurred to someone in UKIP already. Like GnV said at the minute we can't even have that kinda discussion because forbids capital punishment for signatories to it. No point in a referendum unless we withdraw from the Council of Europe, we couldn't implement it. It would be an excellent propaganda tool for them in the current climate, I'm sure they'll seek to exploit it.
I would not be more likely to vote for them, in fact I would find the strategy even more cynical than usual, and would have even less respect for them for trying to make political capital of the murder this week when emotions are high and reasoned, balanced arguments hard to find amid some heavily polarised, overly emotive positions.
I know this is not specifically relevant to the original question, but puts across an interesting alternate viewpoint of the recent aweful events in Woolwich. It's certainly made me think that the politicisation of so-called terror crimes might not be the right response.
As far as this particular crime goes I think it says a great deal about the media and how the media shape our understanding of what constitutes news.
Two or three weeks ago in Birmingham, a 75 year old grandfather was attacked and murdered by a machete wielding maniac. The man was walking home from the mosque and the white suspect was captured on CCTV fleeing the scene.
The story barely made local news coverage whereas the equally awful murder of the Woolwich soldier made International news and was the main feature for almost a continuous 48 hours on sky news and bbc news.
I am not trying to minimise the truly awful nature of either of these killings, simply pointing out how selective news media can be in their interpretation of what qualifies as news and it would seem that mainstream news may be about stirring outrage more than reporting news in an equal and unbiased way.
The subject running on the video is clearly holding a machete.
The lack of information about the death of Mohammed Saleem simply proves the point that a seemingly grotesque racist attack on an innocent 75 year I'd goes largely unreported albeit you can find details if you dig deep enough.
The reporting on the equally hideous death of Lee Rigby has opened wounds in the British psyche that have been closed for decades and the hysterical media coverage is creating division where there need not be division. These two murderers were demented criminals and not representative of the Muslim community. By focusing the nations attention on the racial and religious aspect of this crime we are at risk of alienating the vast majority of Muslims who are fully integrated into our society and who have contributed greatly to our society. We need mainstream Islam to fight radical Islam - attacking Islam generally will not help.
