I have done absolutely no research into this so I will be enthralled by any opinions expressed.
I feel uncomfortable with the whole concept of being filmed and I wish the government and local authorities would stop doing it.
I can see that live surveillance of ones citizens may have some benefits. I think these are outweighed by the expense and the intrusion into my liberty.
To me, being filmed as I walk down the high street is as much of an invasion as insisting I have a live video cam in my living room.
What do you think?
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CCTV-The Curse of the 21st century
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You liberty is not infringed by the CCTV. It is the pesky little laws that someone keeps dreaming up which infringe on your liberty. On the other hand infringement of one persons liberty is another person protection, and if the public wish to be protected from seeing others pick their nose in public, then so be it.
Sex God
I think that if putting cameras in the high streets saves just one life or prevents one or murder and catches just one criminal then they were worth every penny.
I don't have anything to hide when I'm out and about nor do I see keeping people safe as an intrusion of my liberty.
I think money is wasted on far worse things... trams in Edinburgh city centre to name just one.
I don't have anything to hide when I'm out and about nor do I see keeping people safe as an intrusion of my liberty.
I think money is wasted on far worse things... trams in Edinburgh city centre to name just one.
Sex God
Quote by benrums0n
Soooooo can we use that argument to justify home cameras?
No.
Since the stats say that you are more likely to be , assaulted or murdered by someone close to you....I consider that justification for installing cameras in the bedroom/s and living rooms of every house in the UK.
After all, if you've nothing to hide .....and the sale of the dvd's will help increase the income of the cctv operators !
After all, if you've nothing to hide .....and the sale of the dvd's will help increase the income of the cctv operators !
I'm afraid, to me, it's like people who claim their civil liberties have been breached if DNA or other identifying samples of theirs have been stored on a database. It will never matter unless they break the law. If they do not intend to do that, then why worry about it? I'm sure if someone were to be convicted of a crime against them because they were identified in such a way, they would be pleased, and not defending the criminal's civil liberties.
Sex God
Quote by benrums0n
LOL No mr powers but Im far more likely to murder somebody in my own home.
If you're far more likely to murder someone in your own home, why does it bother you that there are CCTV cameras in the street?
Oh... and remind me never to come to your house!
Don't be afraid. Especially not afraid to express an opinion.
I dont like the idea of being on a DNA database either. And I really don't like the way forensic science has often convicted the wrong people.
Thankfully as it stands I wont end up on the DNA database unless I am accused of a crime. As I dont commit crimes that's unlikely but not impossible. I do walk down streets being surveyed by cameras every day so I like that idea much less.
I dont like the idea of being on a DNA database either. And I really don't like the way forensic science has often convicted the wrong people.
Thankfully as it stands I wont end up on the DNA database unless I am accused of a crime. As I dont commit crimes that's unlikely but not impossible. I do walk down streets being surveyed by cameras every day so I like that idea much less.
Quote by deancannocklets hope they dont put them on cannock chase then lol
as I am doing nothing wrong...why should I worry. these cameras in public places have helped to convict terrorists..find the location of dangerous wanted criminals etc etc. I for one do not have a problem with them.
The problem with dna is far more complex than the press would have you believe.
After all, everyone leaves samples of themselves wherever they go, and on other people as well, wherever they go !
Science has now developed the ability to "amplify" (make more of) a single cell from a supposed crime scene without making any advance in telling when that cell was deposited there, or when. Or even if.....some robberies have seen the crooks literally emptying vacuum cleaner bags of "evidence" at the crime scene just to confuse the the hell out of others !
You could face the uphill job of having to prove you were not at that place/property when your dna was discovered there...
anyway...back to cctv:
After all, everyone leaves samples of themselves wherever they go, and on other people as well, wherever they go !
Science has now developed the ability to "amplify" (make more of) a single cell from a supposed crime scene without making any advance in telling when that cell was deposited there, or when. Or even if.....some robberies have seen the crooks literally emptying vacuum cleaner bags of "evidence" at the crime scene just to confuse the the hell out of others !
You could face the uphill job of having to prove you were not at that place/property when your dna was discovered there...
anyway...back to cctv:
Sex God
Quote by fluff_n_stuff
I'm afraid, to me, it's like people who claim their civil liberties have been breached if DNA or other identifying samples of theirs have been stored on a database. It will never matter unless they break the law. If they do not intend to do that, then why worry about it? I'm sure if someone were to be convicted of a crime against them because they were identified in such a way, they would be pleased, and not defending the criminal's civil liberties.
Fluff_n_stuff, it does matter, it really does. This government have already proven that they cannot be trusted to adequately safeguard our personal data. There is no way on earth I am giving them my DNA voluntarily when I have no way of knowing to what use they will put it. We might all think our current government are decent fellows, who would always be honourable, which is misguided given that they've already tried to hold onto the DNA profiles of 100 000 children who have never been convicted of an offence, but what about future governments? After all, once they have the data, there is no way to take it from them.
What if it's decided to share the data with commercial companies at some point? Insurers would be very interested in my genetic make up I'm sure? What if it was decided that when employers do CRB checks they get a copy of your DNA as well, allowing them to test for pre-dispositions to mental or physical illnesses? Maybe interesting DNA profiles could be made available for medical research, whether I will it or no? The potential for abuse is massive, and I would not recommend we go down that road, no matter what the alleged benefits of it, because we have no way of knowing if we'll be able to trust the government in 50 years time. I don't trust them now with it.
Neil x x x ;)
Quote by neilinleeds
I'm afraid, to me, it's like people who claim their civil liberties have been breached if DNA or other identifying samples of theirs have been stored on a database. It will never matter unless they break the law. If they do not intend to do that, then why worry about it? I'm sure if someone were to be convicted of a crime against them because they were identified in such a way, they would be pleased, and not defending the criminal's civil liberties.
Fluff_n_stuff, it does matter, it really does. This government have already proven that they cannot be trusted to adequately safeguard our personal data. There is no way on earth I am giving them my DNA voluntarily when I have no way of knowing to what use they will put it. We might all think our current government are decent fellows, who would always be honourable, but what about future governments? After all, once they have the data, there is no way to take it from them.
What if it's decided to share the data with commercial companies at some point? Insurers would be very interested in my genetic make up I'm sure? What if it was decided that when employers do CRB checks they get a copy of your DNA as well, allowing them to test for pre-dispositions to mental or physical illnesses? The potential for abuse is massive, and I would not recommend we go down that road, no matter what the alleged benefits of it, because we have no way of knowing if we'll be able to trust the government in 50 years time. I don't trust them now with it.
Neil x x x ;)
I never said I agreed to that data being used for anything but elimination purposes. I don't think the data should be made available to anyone else either. It isn't just DNA though. People get very twitchy about their fingerprints being retained and I can only assume they are expecting to get caught out at some point in the future.
Quote by Dirtygirly
I think that if putting cameras in the high streets saves just one life or prevents one or murder and catches just one criminal then they were worth every penny.
I don't have anything to hide when I'm out and about nor do I see keeping people safe as an intrusion of my liberty.
I think money is wasted on far worse things... trams in Edinburgh city centre to name just one.
Bang on the money.
Why do people object so much? I bet if they were mugged or assaulted, they would be the first people to say " why was there no cctv ? "!!
I think that those that moan about them, would moan about anything.
It is there for many reasons, one being to catch people doing things they should not be doing. I back them 100%!!
Sex God
Yeah they dont much bother me either. Unfortunately they dont work very well in reducing crime in the long run, well not the important stuff. They work quite well at getting asbo-wallahs back to the court they just came back from and frequently catch them scratching someones Vauxhall Nova when they have had too many cheap white ciders from criminals have never really had much trouble with cams and if anything a building well covered with cameras can often just be a badge that says theres something in here worth stealing.
However no I am once again with Kenty and the others who say that if they catch one scummy or cowardly assault by fuckwits who think they are gangsters when they have spent the afternoon at Yates Wine lodge then film on. I could give a toss
However no I am once again with Kenty and the others who say that if they catch one scummy or cowardly assault by fuckwits who think they are gangsters when they have spent the afternoon at Yates Wine lodge then film on. I could give a toss
Warming the Bed
Its swings and roundabouts really!!(some agree with them some dont)
Apparently they're there to reduce crime and protect civilians.
But if you ask me the best way to cut crime is to put more cops on the street, but since that is "hard work" for the goverment they've taken the easy option of installing CCTV every 2 yards!!
They dont bother me the slightest, i know ive done nothing wrong and dont intend to!!
Apparently they're there to reduce crime and protect civilians.
But if you ask me the best way to cut crime is to put more cops on the street, but since that is "hard work" for the goverment they've taken the easy option of installing CCTV every 2 yards!!
They dont bother me the slightest, i know ive done nothing wrong and dont intend to!!
Aye third man I used to do that as a teen on Chelmsley Wood too.
And Kenty I quote
"I think that those that moan about them, would moan about anything. "
Keep away from the personal jibes please. In case you feel I am being overly sensitive imagine if in response to a thread you had posted moaning about scroungers I responded " I think people who moan about scroungers are pig ignorant. " How would you feel?
And Kenty I quote
"I think that those that moan about them, would moan about anything. "
Keep away from the personal jibes please. In case you feel I am being overly sensitive imagine if in response to a thread you had posted moaning about scroungers I responded " I think people who moan about scroungers are pig ignorant. " How would you feel?
Sex God
Quote by The_third_man
We have CCTV all over the estate where I work and it does nothing to stop those that cause problems. They just put their hoodies up, pull their nike caps further over their faces and get on with it.
That's quite possibly true but having watched Crimewatch people can be recognised from clothing too and a picture of someone in a hoodie gives you more details than an eye witness probably can!
Sex God
Quote by benrums0n
Isnt it just a bit of a fad tho like does it really have any huge merits like what somebody said. Anybody know how much their local council spends on cameras?
Haven't a clue but they're spending millions on unnecessary trams at the moment up here so I'd guess they'll be spending some more on cameras to make sure they're not vandalised!
I wasn't aware of the tram issue is it an awful feckless waste of hard earned cash?
Im sorry if it is, although I often think councils get to do all the shitty jobs so that central government doesn't have to. A bit like IT departments who sub contract pc maintenance purely because it isn't "sexy".
Im sorry if it is, although I often think councils get to do all the shitty jobs so that central government doesn't have to. A bit like IT departments who sub contract pc maintenance purely because it isn't "sexy".
