It is an insignificent amount when you conside how much we squander each day in Goverment.
For example
Home»News»News Topics»MPs' expensesJim McGovern MP’s train ticket row costs public £27,000
Taxpayers have been left with a £27,000 bill after a Labour MP launched a legal challenge against the Commons expenses watchdog because it rejected his claim for a £24 train ticket.
Jim McGovern, the Labour MP for Dundee West, had attempted to claim the fare from his constituency to a party meeting in Glasgow by saying it was the first leg of a two-part trip to Westminster.
The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (IPSA) rejected the claim on the grounds that the trip to Glasgow was not connected to Mr McGovern’s work as an MP.
In the first case of its kind since IPSA was formed in the wake of the expenses scandal, Mr McGovern appealed against the decision and secured a tribunal hearing.
Despite losing the appeal, a judge ordered each side to pay its own costs, meaning the taxpayer will be left to cover the cost of IPSA’s £27,000 legal bill.
Mr McGovern claimed for a single rail fare from Dundee to Glasgow in September 2011 to attend a Labour Party meeting.
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Or what about this the expected cost to be around 5-6 Million pounds
Simon Price, an Orthodox Jew and convicted cocaine kingpin, is serving a 28-year prison sentence in Britain's HM Prison Frankland for smuggling over $53 million worth of cocaine. He's also suing the prison for "institutionalized anti-Semitism," due to its lack of adequately Kosher food. Price alleges that both Muslim and vegetarian criminals receive preferential treatment at the prison. Prisoners can choose to cook for themselves, but Price says that solution wouldn't work because he'd be forced to share utensils used to prepare non-kosher food. As glamorous as films like "Blow" and "Scarface" are, they really don't show the worst part of drug dealing: It's hard to get good matzo balls in jail.
Simon Price, an Orthodox Jew and convicted cocaine kingpin, is serving a 28-year prison sentence in Britain's HM Prison Frankland for smuggling over $53 million worth of cocaine. He's also suing the prison for "institutionalized anti-Semitism," due to its lack of adequately Kosher food. Price alleges that both Muslim and vegetarian criminals receive preferential treatment at the prison. Prisoners can choose to cook for themselves, but Price says that solution wouldn't work because he'd be forced to share utensils used to prepare non-kosher food. As glamorous as films like "Blow" and "Scarface" are, they really don't show the worst part of drug dealing: It's hard to get good matzo balls in jail.
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The problem is people dwell far to much in the past
our mills have gone
our pits have gone
the same with shipping,docking,steel,and one day even our financial industry!
what people seem to forget is the reason the human race has made it as far as we have is due to our ability to adapt, our survival depends on it and on order to adapt we need to embrace change and forget the past
i don't much care for the fact that thatcher died but then i didn't know her,nor did i know princess Diana and i couldn't understand the amount of hype from people who never meet her or knew her, will i care when tony Blair or anyone else famous dies.... no!! is the short answer. I believe i have enough respect as a human being to allow thatchers family to bury her in peace and would extend her family the very same respect and dignity that i would expect should i be burying one of my own family
our mills have gone
our pits have gone
the same with shipping,docking,steel,and one day even our financial industry!
what people seem to forget is the reason the human race has made it as far as we have is due to our ability to adapt, our survival depends on it and on order to adapt we need to embrace change and forget the past
i don't much care for the fact that thatcher died but then i didn't know her,nor did i know princess Diana and i couldn't understand the amount of hype from people who never meet her or knew her, will i care when tony Blair or anyone else famous dies.... no!! is the short answer. I believe i have enough respect as a human being to allow thatchers family to bury her in peace and would extend her family the very same respect and dignity that i would expect should i be burying one of my own family
We voted her in to do our bidding.
We wanted the unions destroyed, as we didn't want to sit in the dark
We wanted loadsamoney, as we were materialistic
We wanted to feel great again, she took us to war and won against all odds
We voted her in three times. Deal with it and move on. She changed this country for the better, now move on and stop dwelling in the past.
The comments in this thread say more about the posters than it does about a grocers girl from Grantham.
We wanted the unions destroyed, as we didn't want to sit in the dark
We wanted loadsamoney, as we were materialistic
We wanted to feel great again, she took us to war and won against all odds
We voted her in three times. Deal with it and move on. She changed this country for the better, now move on and stop dwelling in the past.
The comments in this thread say more about the posters than it does about a grocers girl from Grantham.
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We voted her in to do our bidding.
We wanted the unions destroyed, as we didn't want to sit in the dark
We wanted loadsamoney, as we were materialistic
We wanted to feel great again, she took us to war and won against all odds
We voted her in three times. Deal with it and move on. She changed this country for the better, now move on and stop dwelling in the past.
The comments in this thread say more about the posters than it does about a grocers girl from Grantham.
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Quote by Rogue_Trader
We voted her in to do our bidding.
We wanted the unions destroyed, as we didn't want to sit in the dark
We wanted loadsamoney, as we were materialistic
We wanted to feel great again, she took us to war and won against all odds
We voted her in three times. Deal with it and move on. She changed this country for the better, now move on and stop dwelling in the past.
The comments in this thread say more about the posters than it does about a grocers girl from Grantham.
laughable....
yes...fully agree the power of some unions needed to be curtained.....what we didn't need was the wholesale destruction of manufacturing in Britain by British companies.
NO..some people loved the idea of being materialistic, loadsamoey type... yes..the bankers, the ones we now all love to hate, and their greed and loadsamoney culture has brought the country to its knees.
Against all odds !!!...lol...we have 4 times the military power of Argintina. How is that against the odds.
we had massive riots in the streets ; we had a society where greed and money was looked upon as better, than compassion and happiness ; we had section 28 brought in, so as to make gay people feel like second class citizens ( David Cameroon has even apologised for this act ....now ofcause reversed ) ; we saw the total destruction of British manufacturing. Changed the country for the better ???.... well you have your opinion, and a large number of us will have another !!! Not dwelling in the past, but certainly we need to learn from the mistakes !!!
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yes...fully agree the power of some unions needed to be curtained.....what we didn't need was the wholesale destruction of manufacturing in Britain by British companies.
see red robbo et al for their method of working, yeah cheers, thanks for that.
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NO..some people loved the idea of being materialistic, loadsamoey type... yes..the bankers, the ones we now all love to hate, and their greed and loadsamoney culture has brought the country to its knees.
lol, see the Harry Enfield sketch, how very true was that! It's not just those in the financial institutions, everyone has failed with regards to their greed.
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Against all odds !!!...lol...we have 4 times the military power of Argintina. How is that against the odds.
Read Sandy Woodward's account (Admiral who commanded the British Naval task force to retake the Falklands Islands) in One Hundred Days at sea
What people fail to realise, he says, is how close Britain came to losing the war. “If the Argentines had held out for another week on land then we would probably have lost it. Our people were in the open. It was snowing. The sheer wear and tear of two months at sea in vile conditions meant our ships were wearing out. The offshore group was on its last gasp. It was as close as that.”
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we saw the total destruction of British manufacturing.
Absolute rubbish we make nearly as many cars now as we did then. manufacturing had to change and become less labour orientated and more robotic to compete effectively.
Peoples skill sets had to change with it, either change or become extinct.
4 times the power is not much good to anyone when 99% of it is 8000 miles away.
The military geniuses of the time believed you could not fight a war 8000 miles from your home base.
The military geniuses of the time believed you could not fight a war without air superiority.
To a great extent they are right, but we did prove that with a and a lot of guts you can achieve things against the odds.
Oh hang on, haven't we done that throughout our history, this little island of shopkeepers.
Did we not stand alone against the might of the axis for a long long time.
Did we not defeat Napolean in europe.
Time after time we have won against all odds.
We could easily have lost the Falklands War, we hadn't got the things we needed to guarantee victory.
But as in all wars throughout history mistakes are made on both sides, a good planner would actually take into account mistakes we will make and mistakes the enemy will make without even knowing what they will be, just that there will be some.
Another week and we would have lost - sorry I just do not believe that.
We were in a good position to hold out for much longer.
Our troops could have done with a rest following the battle at Goose Green (2 Para) instead of being sent forward to take Wireless Ridge.
The Welsh Guards had just come off the Galahad and needed to re-group
Our Rapier missile defence was still trying to establish itself
OK so they were living in the open, they are British Soldiers they do that, years of living in the trenches of the Somme showed their ability to withstand and endure, the year long trench fight on the shores of gallipolli, the trek through Portugal, Spain and France in the Napoleonic wars, none of these were done with ideal conditions.
Truth is the British Army has always coped under adversity.
The base at Fitzroy was improving, conditions were getting better, supplies were arriving.
Indeed though slowly, supplies were arriving all the time, troops were resting after the yomp/tab accross the islands, Moral was very high.
We had the ability to lay down naval gunfire on the argentine defensive positions, we had by that time virtual air superiority having destroyed HALF of the argentine airforce, and sent the argentine navy back to home ports.
The argentine army on the other hand were in a bad situation, they too were living in bad conditions and appalling weather, they had been doing so for months, stuck up on those mountains surrounding the approach to Stanley high and open to the elements, being hit by our artillery and naval gunfire, straffed by harriers and their supply chain from argentina severed.
Poorly led by their officers and consisting of many conscripts from the North (hot) of argentina.
They were unable to bring artillery fire on the base at Fitzroy, because their heavy artillery was in Stanley unable to deploy it on the forward positions of the mountains, to attack us they would have had to negotiate their own minefields and did not have a force capable of attacking us.
The 20 exocet missiles the argentines desperately needed and had purchased when our fleet sailed had not arrived and were never going to because they had bought them from the British, they did not know that of course.
The only thing they did have was their heroic airforce but that was dwindling fast.
They had already made their mistakes, their airforce though magnificent in their effort had been ordered to attack warships in Falkland sound (bomb alley) and not the targets they needed to hit, the transports, the LSL's and RFA supply ships, the Townsend Thoressen ferries carrying all out supplies and more troops.
Had Julien Thompson had his way we would have waited another week or two before taking on the argentine Stanley defences, Tony Wilson would not have been in such a rush to get 5 brigade to the front (resulting in the horror of the Galahad attack) but pressure from London was immense.
They (the Brigade Commanders of 3 and 5 Bde mentioned) would have much preferred to have consolidated their position, stockpiled some supplies and continued to bombard, harass and weaken those argentine positions in the mountains.
Woodward on the ships might have been in fear of his fleet and quite rightly but on the ground the story was different, waiting would have been a better option, even the fleet would have benefitted as the supply ships having unloaded their precious cargos could have sailed to areas of safety, home or south georgia or to asscension for another load. The warships no longer needed in bomb alley could have been deployed in greater numbers to lay down naval gunfire or protect the aircraft carriers.
The military geniuses of the time believed you could not fight a war 8000 miles from your home base.
The military geniuses of the time believed you could not fight a war without air superiority.
To a great extent they are right, but we did prove that with a and a lot of guts you can achieve things against the odds.
Oh hang on, haven't we done that throughout our history, this little island of shopkeepers.
Did we not stand alone against the might of the axis for a long long time.
Did we not defeat Napolean in europe.
Time after time we have won against all odds.
We could easily have lost the Falklands War, we hadn't got the things we needed to guarantee victory.
But as in all wars throughout history mistakes are made on both sides, a good planner would actually take into account mistakes we will make and mistakes the enemy will make without even knowing what they will be, just that there will be some.
Another week and we would have lost - sorry I just do not believe that.
We were in a good position to hold out for much longer.
Our troops could have done with a rest following the battle at Goose Green (2 Para) instead of being sent forward to take Wireless Ridge.
The Welsh Guards had just come off the Galahad and needed to re-group
Our Rapier missile defence was still trying to establish itself
OK so they were living in the open, they are British Soldiers they do that, years of living in the trenches of the Somme showed their ability to withstand and endure, the year long trench fight on the shores of gallipolli, the trek through Portugal, Spain and France in the Napoleonic wars, none of these were done with ideal conditions.
Truth is the British Army has always coped under adversity.
The base at Fitzroy was improving, conditions were getting better, supplies were arriving.
Indeed though slowly, supplies were arriving all the time, troops were resting after the yomp/tab accross the islands, Moral was very high.
We had the ability to lay down naval gunfire on the argentine defensive positions, we had by that time virtual air superiority having destroyed HALF of the argentine airforce, and sent the argentine navy back to home ports.
The argentine army on the other hand were in a bad situation, they too were living in bad conditions and appalling weather, they had been doing so for months, stuck up on those mountains surrounding the approach to Stanley high and open to the elements, being hit by our artillery and naval gunfire, straffed by harriers and their supply chain from argentina severed.
Poorly led by their officers and consisting of many conscripts from the North (hot) of argentina.
They were unable to bring artillery fire on the base at Fitzroy, because their heavy artillery was in Stanley unable to deploy it on the forward positions of the mountains, to attack us they would have had to negotiate their own minefields and did not have a force capable of attacking us.
The 20 exocet missiles the argentines desperately needed and had purchased when our fleet sailed had not arrived and were never going to because they had bought them from the British, they did not know that of course.
The only thing they did have was their heroic airforce but that was dwindling fast.
They had already made their mistakes, their airforce though magnificent in their effort had been ordered to attack warships in Falkland sound (bomb alley) and not the targets they needed to hit, the transports, the LSL's and RFA supply ships, the Townsend Thoressen ferries carrying all out supplies and more troops.
Had Julien Thompson had his way we would have waited another week or two before taking on the argentine Stanley defences, Tony Wilson would not have been in such a rush to get 5 brigade to the front (resulting in the horror of the Galahad attack) but pressure from London was immense.
They (the Brigade Commanders of 3 and 5 Bde mentioned) would have much preferred to have consolidated their position, stockpiled some supplies and continued to bombard, harass and weaken those argentine positions in the mountains.
Woodward on the ships might have been in fear of his fleet and quite rightly but on the ground the story was different, waiting would have been a better option, even the fleet would have benefitted as the supply ships having unloaded their precious cargos could have sailed to areas of safety, home or south georgia or to asscension for another load. The warships no longer needed in bomb alley could have been deployed in greater numbers to lay down naval gunfire or protect the aircraft carriers.
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yes...fully agree the power of some unions needed to be curtained.....what we didn't need was the wholesale destruction of manufacturing in Britain by British companies.
see red robbo et al for their method of working, yeah cheers, thanks for that.
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NO..some people loved the idea of being materialistic, loadsamoey type... yes..the bankers, the ones we now all love to hate, and their greed and loadsamoney culture has brought the country to its knees.
lol, see the Harry Enfield sketch, how very true was that! It's not just those in the financial institutions, everyone has failed with regards to their greed.
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Against all odds !!!...lol...we have 4 times the military power of Argintina. How is that against the odds.
Read Sandy Woodward's account (Admiral who commanded the British Naval task force to retake the Falklands Islands) in One Hundred Days at sea
What people fail to realise, he says, is how close Britain came to losing the war. “If the Argentines had held out for another week on land then we would probably have lost it. Our people were in the open. It was snowing. The sheer wear and tear of two months at sea in vile conditions meant our ships were wearing out. The offshore group was on its last gasp. It was as close as that.”
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we saw the total destruction of British manufacturing.
Absolute rubbish we make nearly as many cars now as we did then. manufacturing had to change and become less labour orientated and more robotic to compete effectively.
Peoples skill sets had to change with it, either change or become extinct.
Please do try and read what I put...BRITISH manufacturing. Sure we have loads of cars built here now at the Nissan Plant.....the Honda Plant....the Toyota plant....not even the British icon ...the Mini......is British anymore. You say everything has to be robotic now. China sells us steel and iron now at an extortionate rate, all because they kept their labour intensive, heavy industry going. Yes all industry must constantly change and adapt to changes, but their is no reason to think BRITISH manufacturing couldn't of.
As for ALL failing to greed. I totally disagree....yes the Yuppie culture was rife in the city of London institutes. The bankers and share dealers, were all waving their big fat bonus wads of money. these being the very people we now hate and despise. However I didn't see the coal miners..or dock workers waving their wads of money around. No a great many understand, money does not equal happiness.
As for losing the Falkland war if we had gone on another week. Who knows maybe so, even though personally, I have more faith in the spirit of our army and navy than the Admiral seems to have had. However what I was pointing out, was that when you have 4 times the firepower, with highly trained and drilled soldiers, against an army of what was over 50% conscripts, you can hardly call it " Against all odds " that we were successful.
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Mids, thanks for taking the time to write that, I did read it.
The consensus of opinion by all naval and departmental strategists and tacticians is 4 - 5 days, 7 at the most before the task force collapsed and we'd have lost. The supply line was no more. That's why you had to yomp.
I think, militarily, the commander of the Task Force had a better oversight of the theatre of operations than the grunt on the ground.
conventionally speaking Dean, yes your right, perhaps, but I think the war in Afghanistan against Russia and now against the coalition proves just how effective or ineffective things can be.
We lost our advantage of size with distance, then it did come down to the ability of the British Soldier but even a British Solder can only do so much and if he doesnt have the bullets or the food he cant do much, supply was a major factor.
I wouldn't believe everything the experts say, take this from Wiki for exampleThe bulk of the Argentine forces were in positions around Port Stanley about 50 miles (80 km) to the east of San Carlos. The position at Goose Green and Darwin was well defended by a force of combined units totalling about 1,200 (at the start of the battle the number was thought by the British to be less than half this), well equipped with artillery, mortars, 35 mm cannon and machine guns. However the force was fairly static and judged to present little threat to the beachhead. Consequently it had no strategic military value for the British in their campaign to recapture the islands, so early plans for land operations had called for Goose Green to be isolated and bypassed.
No military value ? had the british simply ignored the settlement they would have been leaving it to their rear
1200 enemy soldiers
35mm artillery pieces
mortars
and what they dont mention 12 Pucarra ground attack aircraft and an airfield
I dont think you need military training to know that leaving that to your rear could have been suicidal.
The defending Argentine forces known as Task Force Mercedes consisted of 25th Special Infantry Regiment and a company of the Ranger-type 12 Infantry Regiment, in total 1480 soldiers, 202 airforce personnell (manning 6 artillery pieces and 2 anti aircraft guns)and navy personnel.
The British force consisted of three rifle companies, one patrol company, one support company, and the HQ company (a little short of 500 men).
The task was made more diffiult by the open terrain just a short strip of land where the argentines had spent months digging in.
Truth is that if every British bullet had achieved maximum killing power, every grenade had achieved a maximum effect etc the British may well have run out of ammuntion before all the defenders were dead, as it turned out they surrendered having lost 64 killed, 209 wounded and 961 captured (this figure was disputed at the time by argentine officers who claimed that they had lost over 250 of their troops killed)
The supply situation was critical in this battle but tactics and pure guts won the day.
The Pucara ground attack aircraft were captured (they had used Napalm against the attacking British Forces) as were the artillery and anti aicraft weapons. Luckily 2 para were able to resupply themselves with and grenades etc from the mountains of supplies stored in the sheep pens at Goose Green.
We lost our advantage of size with distance, then it did come down to the ability of the British Soldier but even a British Solder can only do so much and if he doesnt have the bullets or the food he cant do much, supply was a major factor.
I wouldn't believe everything the experts say, take this from Wiki for exampleThe bulk of the Argentine forces were in positions around Port Stanley about 50 miles (80 km) to the east of San Carlos. The position at Goose Green and Darwin was well defended by a force of combined units totalling about 1,200 (at the start of the battle the number was thought by the British to be less than half this), well equipped with artillery, mortars, 35 mm cannon and machine guns. However the force was fairly static and judged to present little threat to the beachhead. Consequently it had no strategic military value for the British in their campaign to recapture the islands, so early plans for land operations had called for Goose Green to be isolated and bypassed.
No military value ? had the british simply ignored the settlement they would have been leaving it to their rear
1200 enemy soldiers
35mm artillery pieces
mortars
and what they dont mention 12 Pucarra ground attack aircraft and an airfield
I dont think you need military training to know that leaving that to your rear could have been suicidal.
The defending Argentine forces known as Task Force Mercedes consisted of 25th Special Infantry Regiment and a company of the Ranger-type 12 Infantry Regiment, in total 1480 soldiers, 202 airforce personnell (manning 6 artillery pieces and 2 anti aircraft guns)and navy personnel.
The British force consisted of three rifle companies, one patrol company, one support company, and the HQ company (a little short of 500 men).
The task was made more diffiult by the open terrain just a short strip of land where the argentines had spent months digging in.
Truth is that if every British bullet had achieved maximum killing power, every grenade had achieved a maximum effect etc the British may well have run out of ammuntion before all the defenders were dead, as it turned out they surrendered having lost 64 killed, 209 wounded and 961 captured (this figure was disputed at the time by argentine officers who claimed that they had lost over 250 of their troops killed)
The supply situation was critical in this battle but tactics and pure guts won the day.
The Pucara ground attack aircraft were captured (they had used Napalm against the attacking British Forces) as were the artillery and anti aicraft weapons. Luckily 2 para were able to resupply themselves with and grenades etc from the mountains of supplies stored in the sheep pens at Goose Green.
What a day to remember.......but I suppose you had to be there to really appreciate the public's feelings over Baroness Thatcher. The feelings of warmth and human kindness were overwhelming today I have to say.
A funeral fitting for a special PM and no other PM except Churchill has ever had anything like it.
For me I say RIP Maggie. :thumbup:
A funeral fitting for a special PM and no other PM except Churchill has ever had anything like it.
For me I say RIP Maggie. :thumbup:
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Dead
Yes she is.
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Buried
Cremated actually.
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Move on
I have many years ago now. But today was an old ladies funeral, and people should have respected that regardless of how people feel about her personally.
Not a single Labour PM will ever get afforded that kind of service on their death that's for sure.
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Why is it that you constantly feel the need to be offensive ?
Are you really that much of a tender little soul, that you actually found that offensive FGS?
For someone that has been offensive on here a million times that somehow seems a bit rich, don't you think?
Nothing offensive there in the slightest, but if you think it was you can always send in a ticket. :notes:
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In another thread ......
I found a link to this online and posted it on a well known social networking site where many of my "friends" have been vociferous in their hatred for Mrs T....
The reply I got was ..................Silence....
Oh how I laughed :-)
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It seems that Blair approved Thatchers funeral details a few years ago.
I found a link to this online and posted it on a well known social networking site where many of my "friends" have been vociferous in their hatred for Mrs T....
The reply I got was ..................Silence....
Oh how I laughed :-)
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In another thread ......
It seems that Blair approved Thatchers funeral details a few years ago.
I found a link to this online and posted it on a well known social networking site where many of my "friends" have been vociferous in their hatred for Mrs T....
The reply I got was ..................Silence....
Oh how I laughed :-)
Little things.
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Little things.
Have you Star, sorry to hear that
