Celebrate the beginning of a war ?
What a fukwit....
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Sex God
I have to agree with you there. I'm not sure any so-called civilised countries (by that I mean the people running them) have actually learned anything from the last 100 years of politics-war-politics apart from how to do the middle one better and the first and last worse.
I do feel we should commemorate the experiences of those men and women who lived through the 'Great' War. But it should be at a local level and kepp the current batch of politicians as far away from it as possible.
I do feel we should commemorate the experiences of those men and women who lived through the 'Great' War. But it should be at a local level and kepp the current batch of politicians as far away from it as possible.
Sex God
Quote by flower411
Let`s face it .... if Cameron brought the troops home to commemorate the start of the war to end all wars ....he might actually be remembered in the history books !
Or if he was assassinated - either works, history-wise.
What an odd bunch there are on here.
Read what this is all about. It is not about a celebration of a war, who is a fukwit indeed?
They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
Straight of limb, true of eyes, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.
LEST WE NOT FORGET
For some people we do not want to remember them !!
What part of "truly national commemoration" do some people not understand. :doh:
"Remembrance must be the hallmark of our commemorations."
Which means The act of honoring the memory of or serving as a memorial to someone or something, and what the heck is wrong with that?
Read what this is all about. It is not about a celebration of a war, who is a fukwit indeed?
They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
Straight of limb, true of eyes, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.
LEST WE NOT FORGET
For some people we do not want to remember them !!
What part of "truly national commemoration" do some people not understand. :doh:
"Remembrance must be the hallmark of our commemorations."
Which means The act of honoring the memory of or serving as a memorial to someone or something, and what the heck is wrong with that?
Sex God
When did the word commemoration start to mean the same as celebration?
Sex God
My bad 
I read celebrate...
Even so.....I feel it's more apt to commemorate the end of a war as opposed to the beginning...
Although the thread title does say celebrations ;-)
I read celebrate...
Even so.....I feel it's more apt to commemorate the end of a war as opposed to the beginning...
Although the thread title does say celebrations ;-)
Sex God
I believe the intention is too commemorate all the significant dates, surely the start is significant as well?
Sex God
2 minutes on the 11th hour, on the 11th, of the 11th month, has far more reverence looking back on what society and families lost.
Sooner do that than something from 1914 or the start of anything when every one was whipped up and off to war and the unknown that it delivered.
Hindsight is a powerful thing, especially when coupled with commemeration.
Long may the War Graves Commission and others keep going, for we shall remember.
If Cameron really wanted to commemorate, then would sooner see 11th November as the Rememberance Day National holiday across the UK, and formally expanded to include those who've lost their life in all conflicts.
Certainly our european neighbours, in Belgium and France, upon who's soil so much blood was spilled actually do commemerate Armistice this way on that day.
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Sooner do that than something from 1914 or the start of anything when every one was whipped up and off to war and the unknown that it delivered.
Hindsight is a powerful thing, especially when coupled with commemeration.
Long may the War Graves Commission and others keep going, for we shall remember.
If Cameron really wanted to commemorate, then would sooner see 11th November as the Rememberance Day National holiday across the UK, and formally expanded to include those who've lost their life in all conflicts.
Certainly our european neighbours, in Belgium and France, upon who's soil so much blood was spilled actually do commemerate Armistice this way on that day.
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Sex God
Quote by HnS
2 minutes on the 11th hour, on the 11th, of the 11th month, has far more reverence looking back on what society and families lost.
Sooner do that than something from 1914 or the start of anything when every one was whipped up and off to war and the unknown that it delivered.
Hindsight is a powerful thing, especially when coupled with commemeration.
Long may the War Graves Commission and others keep going, for we shall remember.
If Cameron really wanted to commemorate, then would sooner see 11th November as the Rememberance Day National holiday across the UK, and formally expanded to include those who've lost their life in all conflicts.
Certainly our european neighbours, in Belgium and France, upon who's soil so much blood was spilled actually do commemerate Armistice this way on that day.
Cue the music
What they said ^
:thumbup:
Quote by Steve
My bad
I read celebrate...
Even so.....I feel it's more apt to commemorate the end of a war as opposed to the beginning...
Although the thread title does say celebrations ;-)
Then you should have checked who was the OP, and it would have been a bit clearer. :notes:
You obviously are still missing the whole point.
Quote by GnV
No star, I think Steve has it on the button (and I know he is very capable of answering for himself) in that the commemoration of the end of WWI holds by far more importance than the beginning of it.
So, what 'whole point' is Steve missing because I'm struggling with your meaning too.
Are people deliberately being argumentative for the sake of it?
If you commemorate something when do you commemorate the middle or the end of it, over the beginning?
The commemoration will start on 4 August 2014, the centenary of Britain's declaration of war on Germany, and continue through events marking the battles of Jutland and the Somme in 2016, Passchendaele in 2017 and the Armistice in November 2018.
Surely " celebration " of the great war would be the end of it, as were the celebrations at the end of the second world war. Do we commemorate the end of the second war in 1945 then at schools? There is a very subtle difference between commemorate and celebrate, as some failed to notice.
If GnV you or anyone else is not happy about when the commemoration will start the address to write to is..
David Cameron
10 Downing Street
London
SW1A 2AA
Is that a bit clearer GnV? :thumbup:
Sex God
So sorry for not measuring up to your obviously high standards Star
Quote by starlightcouple
If you commemorate something when do you commemorate the middle or the end of it, over the beginning?
Here's a good example of commemorating the end of something: Remembrance Day. I assume you know what I'm talking about, as everyone knows what we wear poppies for each year. But, just in case... Remembrance Day is about commemorating the end of World War I. The reason it's always on 11 November is because the fighting ended "at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month" in 1918 in accordance with the Armistice (although, the war didn't officially end until the signing of the Treaty of Versailles on 28 June 1919). In 1919, King George V dedicated 11 November as a day of remembrance for members of the armed forces who were killed during World War I.
To "commemorate" simply means to remember and show respect for something. I don't think it matters which dates we commemorate, as long as what we are doing is remembering and showing respect for those men and women who lost their lives in WWI.
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If you commemorate something when do you commemorate the middle or the end of it, over the beginning?
Quote by Lilith
Here's a good example of commemorating the end of something: Remembrance Day. I assume you know what I'm talking about, as everyone knows what we wear poppies for each year. But, just in case... Remembrance Day is about commemorating the end of World War I. The reason it's always on 11 November is because the fighting ended "at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month" in 1918 in accordance with the Armistice (although, the war didn't officially end until the signing of the Treaty of Versailles on 28 June 1919). In 1919, King George V dedicated 11 November as a day of remembrance for members of the armed forces who were killed during World War I.
No sorry Lilth have not got a single clue. But I take your point.
Quote by Lilith
To "commemorate" simply means to remember and show respect for something. I don't think it matters which dates we commemorate, as long as what we are doing is remembering and showing respect for those men and women who lost their lives in WWI.
Well unfortunately as much as you would like to, you do not make the decisions of this nation. So the Prime ministers address is quoted above if you do not like the start date that the British Government have decided on. YOU can actually think what you like as we all can, but the start date for the commemoration will be 28 July 2014. Of course if you would like to start your own commemoration on the 11 November 2018, that of course will be your own prerogative to do just that. The rest of the nation will have started a bit before that. :notes:
I agree Ben.
All Cameron wants to do is exploit the 'Britishness' feeling generated by the Royal wedding, the Jubillee celebrations and the Olymipcs for political expediency when in reality, all it will serve to do is increase spending during a supposed time of austerity, making a nonsense of the whole thing.
As HnS says, the most lasting way of commemorating the end of the war to end all wars is to make the 11th November a Public Holiday as it is elsewhere in Europe then in future generations, people will have good cause to remember and reflect on its meaning.
Then, the Nation will remember as they have done for almost a century before and will continue to remember for at least a century to come as the last of the survivors of the Great War fade away.
The beginning of a war is no cause for celebration, nor commemoration. That is the sort of thing you might expect from people like the hook - and we all know star's feelings about him and his genre which makes his support for the proposals all the more bizarre.
All Cameron wants to do is exploit the 'Britishness' feeling generated by the Royal wedding, the Jubillee celebrations and the Olymipcs for political expediency when in reality, all it will serve to do is increase spending during a supposed time of austerity, making a nonsense of the whole thing.
As HnS says, the most lasting way of commemorating the end of the war to end all wars is to make the 11th November a Public Holiday as it is elsewhere in Europe then in future generations, people will have good cause to remember and reflect on its meaning.
Then, the Nation will remember as they have done for almost a century before and will continue to remember for at least a century to come as the last of the survivors of the Great War fade away.
The beginning of a war is no cause for celebration, nor commemoration. That is the sort of thing you might expect from people like the hook - and we all know star's feelings about him and his genre which makes his support for the proposals all the more bizarre.
Quote by flower411
It does appear that it is more about flag waving and jingoism than commemorating the dead.
Appear? How do you come to that conclusion? Cameron for once since being PM is trying is hardest to do the right thing here, and it meets with my approval and many others.
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It has been pointed out that we already commemorate the dead with the wearing of poppies, to further commemorate because we have reached a hundred year anniversary does appear strange to me.
Why is that? You think it strange to want to commemorate 100 years since the end of the great war? That alone seems a strange comment to make, why the objection?
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When all parties in parliament appear to support current wars where our soldiers are still being slaughtered and are slaughtering others the politicians should be hanging their heads in shame rather than pretending to care.
That thankfully is just your opinion and many people would not agree with your sentiments. But I bow to your obvious knowledge in this matter, as to exactly what is going on out there in Afghanistan.
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
It has been pointed out that we already commemorate the dead with the wearing of poppies, to further commemorate because we have reached a hundred year anniversary does appear strange to me.
Why is that? You think it strange to want to commemorate 100 years since the end of the great war? That alone seems a strange comment to make, why the objection?
Quote by flower411
Cameron has suggested that we commemorate the start of the first world war ...
As far as I was aware we began talking about commemorating the beginning of WW1
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It has been pointed out that we already commemorate the dead with the wearing of poppies, to further commemorate because we have reached a hundred year anniversary does appear strange to me.
Why is that? You think it strange to want to commemorate 100 years since the end of the great war? That alone seems a strange comment to make, why the objection?
Quote by flower411
Cameron has suggested that we commemorate the start of the first world war ...
As far as I was aware we began talking about commemorating the beginning of WW1
Well we know what happens. We start talking about this and then very quickly we start talking about that. But I am sure that when the commemorations take place in two years time, it will be also a time to remember all soldiers lost in combat, and rightly so it should.
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Well we know what happens. We start talking about this and then very quickly we start talking about that. But I am sure that when the commemorations take place in two years time, it will be also a time to remember all soldiers lost in combat, and rightly so it should.
But will these 'celebrations' not detract from what, in Europe, we have been doing for generations - since the end of The Great War, celebrating the end of war?
By that time that's all over, will people not be totally confused and wonder why there are two separate 'celebrations', one for the beginning and another - the existing one, for the end?
As I said earlier, celebrating the beginning of war is for the jihadists; celebrating the end of war and the Glorious Dead is much more in keeping with British society and tradition.
So tell me star, since you seem to have your mate the PM's ear, is it that Cameron is seeking now to suck up to the Muslim/islamist society in Britain in a celebration of war
And come to think of it, why should we celebrate the beginning of a war to end all wars, when it didn't?
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But will these 'celebrations' not detract from what, in Europe, we have been doing for generations - since the end of The Great War, celebrating the end of war?
I like the way you have put commas there GnV, very clever.
I know you rather well GnV and I know you are trying to be a bit silly, but unfortunately it does not work very well. Why on earth would it detract from Novembers 'celebrations'? The 'celebrations' for the 100 year 'celebration' will be happening in July. I am sure that even your good self GnV knows the difference in your months.
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By that time, will people not be totally confused and wonder why there are two separate 'celebrations'?
Not if they are truly British GnV. There could well be a few million 'people' who have popped over to our shores in the last 20 years that would not have a clue, b ut I would think that unless you are a bit of a twit, you surely would know and if they did not, then they must live in a hole in the ground.
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As I said earlier, celebrating the beginning of war is for the jihadists; celebrating the end of war and the Glorious Dead is much more in keeping with British society and tradition.
Well I am sure you will be taking part in the British 'celebrations' from France.
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So tell me star, since you seem to have the PM's ear, is it that Cameron is seeking now to suck up to the Muslem society in Britain in a celebration of war
I think you have been reading too many French papers GnV. I know the French are a sucker for humour.:doh: But on this occasion and it is rare I know, I do not think that Cameron is doing this for any other reason, other than to properly remember the fallen. If you believe that he is sucking up to the Muslims in this country, then I believe you to be wrong.
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And come to think of it, why should we celebrate the beginning of a war to end all wars, when it didn't?
There you go again with that word, but with no commas. Anyway why are you so bothered? Your not going to be even here, so what happens on British soil will have no bearing on your life in France now.
passer un bon moment
Quote by starlightcouple
Well unfortunately as much as you would like to, you do not make the decisions of this nation. So the Prime ministers address is quoted above if you do not like the start date that the British Government have decided on. YOU can actually think what you like as we all can, but the start date for the commemoration will be 28 July 2014.
I think you may have missed my point here. I said that I don't really care about whether we commemorate on the anniversary of the start of the war or otherwise. All that matters is that it's done for the right reasons.
Quote by starlightcouple
Of course if you would like to start your own commemoration on the 11 November 2018, that of course will be your own prerogative to do just that. The rest of the nation will have started a bit before that. :notes:
Regardless of any other commemoration in 2014, there is always a commemoration every year on 11 November. People buy and wear red poppies and there's a minute's silence at 11am. Surely you know what I'm talking about?! It's not just me that observes Remembrance Day; it's a national day of commemoration, which is observed every year!! How can this possibly have passed you by? Red poppies are on sale everywhere and every single person on any TV show wears a red poppy during that period!! I'm genuinely baffled that you don't know what I'm referring to!! You do live in this country, right?? :confused:
Quote by starlightcouple
But will these 'celebrations' not detract from what, in Europe, we have been doing for generations - since the end of The Great War, celebrating the end of war?
I like the way you have put commas there GnV, very clever.
I think you mean apostrophes, not commas...
Quote by Lilith
I think you may have missed my point here. I said that I don't really care about whether we commemorate on the anniversary of the start of the war or otherwise. All that matters is that it's done for the right reasons.
Yes you did say that but left out the most important bit highlighted. Now that does make a difference.
Quote by Lilith
Regardless of any other commemoration in 2014, there is always a commemoration every year on 11 November. People buy and wear red poppies and there's a minute's silence at 11am. Surely you know what I'm talking about?! It's not just me that observes Remembrance Day; it's a national day of commemoration, which is observed every year!! How can this possibly have passed you by? Red poppies are on sale everywhere and every single person on any TV show wears a red poppy during that period!! I'm genuinely baffled that you don't know what I'm referring to!! You do live in this country, right?? :confused:
:doh: Sorry Lilith, it obviously passed me by.
I did read somewhere about it. Is this what you are referring too?
Oh yes now I remember. :giggle:
Quote by Lilith
But will these 'celebrations' not detract from what, in Europe, we have been doing for generations - since the end of The Great War, celebrating the end of war?
I like the way you have put commas there GnV, very clever.
I think you mean apostrophes, not commas...
Yes I did mean that, and many thanks for pointing that out. A lesson there for Steve to accept getting it wrong with grace. :rascal:
Sex God
Quote by starlightcouple
Yes I did mean that, and many thanks for pointing that out. A lesson there for Steve to accept getting it wrong with grace. :rascal:
Yeah...Whatever....
Been getting it wrong (and right) since long before you were here so I don't need any lessons from you thanks ;-)
Quote by Steve
Yes I did mean that, and many thanks for pointing that out. A lesson there for Steve to accept getting it wrong with grace. :rascal:
Yeah...Whatever....
Been getting it wrong (and right) since long before you were here so I don't need any lessons from you thanks ;-)
Blimey Steve, wise up mate. If we cant laugh with each other when we get things wrong, then no point in anything.
I shall obviously have to give you a wide berth in future.
