This one seems a bit uppity to me.
Talk about minorities not knowing their place and how to fit in.
I don't have a problem with most of them its the ones who (please feel free to insert any hate figure you wish but bear in mind not everybody agrees with your opinion).
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Christian Hotel case
Quote by Mr-Powers
Why the Gay couple couldn't have just found another hotel, could be the same reason this muslim woman sued a hairdresser for not employing her.
just another easy target for minorities to abuse the discrimination laws for, perhaps?
An employment tribunal panel dismissed the 19-year-old's claim but upheld her complaint of indirect discrimination.
Dave_Notts
Quote by browning
I wonder if it had been a hotel owned by muslim people if the case would have turned out different.......
Not a hotel, but a muslim taxi driver refusing to pick up a passenger carrying alcohol from a shopping trip...
No evidence of a trial here but the circumstances are remarkably similar.. refused on the grounds of religion.
this is another form of hypocrisy or whatever.
muslims are significantly responsible for the use of alcohol.
why you ask in incredulity?
its because they make such tasty curries. and no decent curry can be consumed without a beer.
and there you have it. plot the growth of alcoholism against the curry industry and i bet the are neck and neck!
muslims are significantly responsible for the use of alcohol.
why you ask in incredulity?
its because they make such tasty curries. and no decent curry can be consumed without a beer.
and there you have it. plot the growth of alcoholism against the curry industry and i bet the are neck and neck!
Quote by GnV
I wonder if it had been a hotel owned by muslim people if the case would have turned out different.......
Not a hotel, but a muslim taxi driver refusing to pick up a passenger carrying alcohol from a shopping trip...
No evidence of a trial here but the circumstances are remarkably similar.. refused on the grounds of religion.
Difference here is the owner of the company, it would seem a muslim himself, clearly stated it was not in anyway company policy. He told this new driver, that he would be required to pick up people with alcohol in the future. It was part and parcel of the job. This was an individual person, who I guess now has the option of either leaving the employment, or to carry on working, and picking up people that will at times carry alcohol.
Sex God
Why I wonder is there this apparent need on the behalf of some sections of both the press and society as a whole, to find examples of 'muslim' racism...I'm sure we are all aware that these things happen, I'm sure that there are black, white, yellow, whatever colour people who dislike other races...I have no doubt that the reporting one pitiful example is used to excuse the bigotry of many...I'm also sure that there is no excuse for racism of any sort.
The problem we have however is that given that we live in a predominantly white anglo-saxon nation,the minorities tend to suffer the consequences of racism more than the the example from the telegraph I have no doubt the woman in question soon found a taxi (probably driven by a muslim) that would carry her ,a little inconvenient possibly but not earth shattering, the example of the young woman refused a job because of her headgear is I would suggest a little more serious....if not ridiculous,I for one have seen more than one male hairdresser in a hat,it strikes me as odd that their hats don't stop them working but apparently a scarf will.
All minority groups need to defend their rights jealously....recent history suggests no-one else will do it for them ,and that is a damn shame
The problem we have however is that given that we live in a predominantly white anglo-saxon nation,the minorities tend to suffer the consequences of racism more than the the example from the telegraph I have no doubt the woman in question soon found a taxi (probably driven by a muslim) that would carry her ,a little inconvenient possibly but not earth shattering, the example of the young woman refused a job because of her headgear is I would suggest a little more serious....if not ridiculous,I for one have seen more than one male hairdresser in a hat,it strikes me as odd that their hats don't stop them working but apparently a scarf will.
All minority groups need to defend their rights jealously....recent history suggests no-one else will do it for them ,and that is a damn shame
Sex God
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Why I wonder is there this apparent need on the behalf of some sections of both the press and society as a whole, to find examples of 'muslim' racism...I'm sure we are all aware that these things happen, I'm sure that there are black, white, yellow, whatever colour people who dislike other races...I have no doubt that reporting one pitiful example is used to excuse the bigotry of many...I'm also sure that there is no excuse for racism of any sort.
The problem we have however is that given that we live in a predominantly white anglo-saxon nation,the minorities tend to suffer the consequences of racism more than the the example from the telegraph I have no doubt the woman in question soon found a taxi (probably driven by a muslim) that would carry her ,a little inconvenient possibly but not earth shattering, the example of the young woman refused a job because of her headgear is I would suggest a little more serious....if not ridiculous,I for one have seen more than one male hairdresser in a hat,it strikes me as odd that their hats don't stop them working but apparently a scarf will.
All minority groups need to defend their rights jealously....recent history suggests no-one else will do it for them ,and that is a damn shame
To judge this I would need to know more of the case, do you have a link.
On a personal note, I have no problem with scarves or head gear of any kind, but I can see that it may not be suitable in certain jobs/sercomstances
Sex God
Quote by Bluefish2009
Why I wonder is there this apparent need on the behalf of some sections of both the press and society as a whole, to find examples of 'muslim' racism...I'm sure we are all aware that these things happen, I'm sure that there are black, white, yellow, whatever colour people who dislike other races...I have no doubt that reporting one pitiful example is used to excuse the bigotry of many...I'm also sure that there is no excuse for racism of any sort.
The problem we have however is that given that we live in a predominantly white anglo-saxon nation,the minorities tend to suffer the consequences of racism more than the the example from the telegraph I have no doubt the woman in question soon found a taxi (probably driven by a muslim) that would carry her ,a little inconvenient possibly but not earth shattering, the example of the young woman refused a job because of her headgear is I would suggest a little more serious....if not ridiculous,I for one have seen more than one male hairdresser in a hat,it strikes me as odd that their hats don't stop them working but apparently a scarf will.
All minority groups need to defend their rights jealously....recent history suggests no-one else will do it for them ,and that is a damn shame
To judge this I would need to know more of the case, do you have a link.
On a personal note, I have no problem with scarves or head gear of any kind, but I can see that it may not be suitable in certain jobs/sercomstances
Both examples are from this thread Blue ....the link is up the page a bit
Sex God
Quote by flower411
Both examples are from this thread Blue ....the link is up the page a bit
Well ...I`ll admit I haven`t scoured the thread with a fine tooth comb but I can`t find the bit about blokes in hats being refused jobs in hair salons !!!
But I do know for a fact that I wouldn`t employ "geeky headscarf girl" in my "urban funky" hair salon ........no matter what her fuckin religion is !!
But ...
If I was running a "get ya blue rinse here" granny salon .....she`d be first on my list !
I am torn down the middle with this one, I can see where a young trendy salon might like to employ people with trendy hair cuts. But suppose she could have turned out to be the best hairdresser she had ever employed
Sex God
Quote by flower411
Both examples are from this thread Blue ....the link is up the page a bit
Well ...I`ll admit I haven`t scoured the thread with a fine tooth comb but I can`t find the bit about blokes in hats being refused jobs in hair salons !!!
But I do know for a fact that I wouldn`t employ "geeky headscarf girl" in my "urban funky" hair salon ........no matter what her fuckin religion is !!
But ...
If I was running a "get ya blue rinse here" granny salon .....she`d be first on my list !
Oh you tinker Flower ...if I didn't know better I'd suspect you were deliberately misreading my post
I'm sure you wouldn't do that though, I know how upset you get about these little misunderstandings
Sex God
Quote by flower411
Tell me which bit I misread and I`ll apologise immediately !!
That would be this bit
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
the example of the young woman refused a job because of her headgear is I would suggest a little more serious....if not ridiculous,I for one have seen more than one male hairdresser in a hat,it strikes me as odd that their hats don't stop them working but apparently a scarf will.
Quote by flower411
It`s the goal of the national socialist ideal to make us all identical and to obliterate individuality ......
Stand up and fight ....we can be different ....we can make choices....we do not have to conform !
We can even get our trendy haircut from a muslim girl in a headscarf....if someone has the balls to break the mould and employ someone other than idetikit trendy hipsters in their salon
Quote by flower411
Her loss
That`s life
You can be sure that a significant number of her customers will check out the staff before they decide on their "urban funky" hairstyle and if they see "geeky headscarf girl" they`ll go elsewhere.
It`s the goal of the national socialist ideal to make us all identical and to obliterate individuality ......
Stand up and fight ....we can be different ....we can make choices....we do not have to conform !
With the cost of coiffure ever rising, I support the Sinead O'Connor look
Sex God
Or even The Natalie Portman
Sexlightened
Or the Demi Moore even
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Quote by browning
If you took your car to the garage for a service, and the mechanics own car was a complete bucket, would you feel happy with him working on your car?
..... but if you couldn't see his car, you couldn't make that decision, could you?
Mal
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
We can even get our trendy haircut from a muslim girl in a headscarf....if someone has the balls to break the mould and employ someone other than idetikit trendy hipsters in their salon
Good point... I just wish McDonalds would do the same and stop employing so many spotty youths :-)
Sex God
Quote by browning
If you took your car to the garage for a service, and the mechanics own car was a complete bucket, would you feel happy with him working on your car?
My ex-brother in law was a mechnic, and every car he owned was as you say a bucket....they and the cars of his family and freinds all ran like dreams...as the saying goes..don't judge a book by it's cover.
The thing we missing here, that is totally different to the thread thou, is ....the girl at the hairdressers was not discriminated against because of her colour..her sexuality..or age..or religion..It was simply the company had an image profile and she didn't fit it. This is true at many work places. If you went to an interview at a Bank dressed in a donkey jacket, sneakers and jeans with multipule pierceings on show.....it would not matter, the fact you had a degree passed with flying colours in econimics, they would not offer you the job, unless you were willing to wear a suit, or at least what they would call smart clothing. Equally if you turned up to work in an alternative clothing shop, in a suit, they would not offer you the position. Most companies, especially those that have to work with the general public, have a specfic company image they wish to portray. Unless you are willing to adapt to that, you will not be getting the job.
its a very fine line BEN ..... would a lap dancing club employ a 60 year old ?....doubtful !! Is that ageism...probably is....but at same time the club needs customers to survive, and rightly or wrongly customers are a certain pre-concieved image of what the girls will look like when they go into a lap dancing club. I am not saying its right we judge a book, by its cover, but I think we all to a degree do. We have met Ben now on a number of occassions, and let me tell anyone that doesn't know, Ben is a Giant of a guy....but as gentle, and compassionate guy you could not wish to meet....with a great conversation and interlect. Yet I admit if I didn't know you, and saw you out in a bar, and not knowing you, I don't think that would be my first impression of you. We all make judgements. We all expect certain things in places. We expect people in banks to be smart...we expect people in clothes shops to be young and trendy.....I'm not saying it right.....but if we honest we do all make these assumptions. I hold my hands up and say I do. I just like to think I am open minded and when I have actually met someone I can re-adjust my evalueation.
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
If you took your car to the garage for a service, and the mechanics own car was a complete bucket, would you feel happy with him working on your car?
My ex-brother in law was a mechnic, and every car he owned was as you say a bucket....they and the cars of his family and freinds all ran like dreams...as the saying goes..don't judge a book by it's cover.
Ah, but lee, thats not what I asked.
If I was looking to get my car serviced, and I turned up at the garage and the mechanics car was a bucket, i'd walk away.
As for the asian girl in the headscarf trying to get a job in a hairdressers, I reckon it was just a ploy for a claim, but that's the cynic in me.
However, the bus route I drive goes through an asian road thats full of asian hairdressers, and ive not seen a asian hairdresser wearing a headscarf.
However, the bus route I drive goes through an asian road thats full of asian hairdressers, and ive not seen a asian hairdresser wearing a headscarf.
So for those who support the legal case against the couple with the B&B, I trust they would support similar legal action and criminal convictions against the owners of these following hotels who openly state on their websites they are Gay Only?
There are 100s of these advertised on the internet. I just picked on the first few links Google threw up.
The more I think about this B&B case the more I believe it was a Stonewall setup. Look at the B&B's website and they clearly state on their booking form what guests they want . Is this any different to "gay only" requirements for the other hotels?
What these minority groups have to accept is that if they want equality then they have to reciprocate it unless they really believe some are less equal than others (which seems to be the case, as defined by our ridiculous laws).
There are 100s of these advertised on the internet. I just picked on the first few links Google threw up.
The more I think about this B&B case the more I believe it was a Stonewall setup. Look at the B&B's website and they clearly state on their booking form what guests they want . Is this any different to "gay only" requirements for the other hotels?
What these minority groups have to accept is that if they want equality then they have to reciprocate it unless they really believe some are less equal than others (which seems to be the case, as defined by our ridiculous laws).
Sex God
Quote by swcpl2005
So for those who support the legal case against the couple with the B&B, I trust they would support similar legal action and criminal convictions against the owners of these following hotels who openly state on their websites they are Gay Only?
There are 100s of these advertised on the internet. I just picked on the first few links Google threw up.
The more I think about this B&B case the more I believe it was a Stonewall setup. Look at the B&B's website and they clearly state on their booking form what guests they want Is this any different to "gay only" requirements for the other hotels?
What these minority groups have to accept is that if they want equality then they have to reciprocate it unless they really believe some are less equal than others (which seems to be the case, as defined by our ridiculous laws).
I would. Gay-friendly should be a good enough position to advertise - as hotels already advertise child or pet friendly. having said that, what about hotels that are adults only? As an extreme, isn't that ageist?
