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Quote by Bluefish2009

South East, just like other parts of the country has unique social dynamics, relevant to this debate.
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Could you qualify that for me?
The important ones in this context are the relatively high rents and the number of folk who dont earn enough to afford them.
It is the way of tory government...and combined with the lib dems we have the closest thing to a national socialist state that can be imagined.....used to be known as natzis.. but what the heck, we're too educated to fall for that old bullshit nowadays. Mass unemployment and poverty, and the homelesness that goes with it, boosts share prices and lowers the inflation rate, and so the econonomy gets back on track....sorry if you happen to be poor, guess you just have to live with it! The tory government do know what they are doing, it's all been tried and tested before, sorry if you had to watch your children starve!
Quote by Ben_Minx

South East, just like other parts of the country has unique social dynamics, relevant to this debate.
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Could you qualify that for me?
The important ones in this context are the relatively high rents and the number of folk who dont earn enough to afford them.
I see, thank you Ben.
It is still so simple to me. If you are living beyond your means, one must do some thing change that. so if it is rent that is too high, move to where you can afford a rent.
I could not afford to buy a home where my family lived as the prices are too high, so I moved away to live where I can afford
Quote by Bluefish2009
It is still so simple to me. If you are living beyond your means, one must do some thing change that. so if it is rent that is too high, move to where you can afford a rent.

Quite. Then of course you might end up with the gated communities and ghettos I mentioned in my earlier post. And of course the people who cant afford the rents then arent "scroungers", just ordinary working people.
Quote by Ben_Minx

It is still so simple to me. If you are living beyond your means, one must do some thing change that. so if it is rent that is too high, move to where you can afford a rent.

Quite. Then of course you might end up with the gated communities and ghettos I mentioned in my earlier post. And of course the people who cant afford the rents then arent "scroungers", just ordinary working people.
Then again of coarse we might not end up with gated communities and ghettos that you mentioned in your earlier post dunno
Quote by Rogue_trader
I am at a loss to see how, restricting people to an income far higher than I get will force them into ghettos. I don't live in one.

No shit? You have a lot of ghettos in Dorset that are in some way comparable to the inner cities of London do you Blue?
What's you're average rent where you live for a three bed house? Nothing flash, basic ex-council house, something like that? I know what I could rent for in Devon around the periphery of Plymouth cos I look in estate agents windows down there 3 or 4 times a year, amazed that it's around the same or only very slightly higher than I pay for the privelege of living in one of the roughest areas of inner city Leeds. Now guess what £550-600pcm would get me in inner London?
Yes, but Neil there isn't anything to attract you to Plymouth is there...?
Some horny sailors dunno
Quote by GnV
I am at a loss to see how, restricting people to an income far higher than I get will force them into ghettos. I don't live in one.

No shit? You have a lot of ghettos in Dorset that are in some way comparable to the inner cities of London do you Blue?
What's you're average rent where you live for a three bed house? Nothing flash, basic ex-council house, something like that? I know what I could rent for in Devon around the periphery of Plymouth cos I look in estate agents windows down there 3 or 4 times a year, amazed that it's around the same or only very slightly higher than I pay for the privelege of living in one of the roughest areas of inner city Leeds. Now guess what £550-600pcm would get me in inner London?
Yes, but Neil there isn't anything to attract you to Plymouth is there...?
Some horny sailors dunno
Quote by GnV
I am at a loss to see how, restricting people to an income far higher than I get will force them into ghettos. I don't live in one.

No shit? You have a lot of ghettos in Dorset that are in some way comparable to the inner cities of London do you Blue?
What's you're average rent where you live for a three bed house? Nothing flash, basic ex-council house, something like that? I know what I could rent for in Devon around the periphery of Plymouth cos I look in estate agents windows down there 3 or 4 times a year, amazed that it's around the same or only very slightly higher than I pay for the privelege of living in one of the roughest areas of inner city Leeds. Now guess what £550-600pcm would get me in inner London?
Yes, but Neil there isn't anything to attract you to Plymouth is there...?
Some horny sailors dunno
I guess my thinly veiled attempt at trying to be the attraction to attract anyone here failed then...?
Quote by Rogue_trader
I guess my thinly veiled attempt at trying to be the attraction to attract anyone here failed then...?

Right over my head I am afraid, but having just perved your profile, the wife and I agree you have a very nice profile indeed :smitten: sillyhwoar:
Quote by Rogue_trader
I guess my thinly veiled attempt at trying to be the attraction to attract anyone here failed then...?

:therethere: Rogue_trader. I did start typing something up about Slapton Sands and what have you but got distracted by another thread, and then when Blue replied to you I wasn't sure how to read you anymore. I know that's not Slapton on your avatar BTW. The beach you're on is way too sandy. The Slapton shingle stuff's probably a bit more comfortable: doesn't get into so many nooks and crannies, eh! ;)
Quote by neilinleeds
I guess my thinly veiled attempt at trying to be the attraction to attract anyone here failed then...?

:therethere: Rogue_trader. I did start typing something up about Slapton Sands and what have you but got distracted by another thread, and then when Blue replied to you I wasn't sure how to read you anymore. I know that's not Slapton on your avatar BTW. The beach you're on is way too sandy. The Slapton shingle stuff's probably a bit more comfortable: doesn't get into so many nooks and crannies, eh! ;)
Certainly not slapton, its Fuertaventura, canary islands.
Plymouth has a lot going for it....biggest and best naval base in Europe for a start and of course the sexiest swingers!!!
Housing Benefit is a subsidy to fat cat buy to let landlords. If it were abolished totally rental prices would crash through the floor. You have to question why Labour and the left oppose the limiting of this benefit. Either they all have a nice fat property portfolios or more likely they have no first clue about the most basic economic fundamentals.
The last Labour governments handling of the economy being another prime example of this.
Can you tell me what you would do with the x million people thus rendered homeless whilst the rent crash happens?
Oh and do you think this might possibly impact the value of property owned not just by landlords but also by home owner occupiers?
Oh and do you think such a property price collapse might result in lenders going bust because of defaulting borrowers?
A property price collapse would not necessarily result in borrowers defaulting. Some may find themselves in negative equity situations but as long as they could afford the mortgage repayments they would not have a problem. The negative equity may cause the lenders some discomfort but as long as the borrowers were not defaulting, the lenders wouldn't be going bust.
Such a price collapse may well in turn actually stimulate the property market as property would become more affordable and more first time buyers would be able to get a foothold on the property ladder.
One of the reasons that private property rents are so high, is due to the inflated property values resulting from the prolonged housing bubble. Maybe the property market needs such a correction?
Quote by Max777
A property price collapse would not necessarily result in borrowers defaulting. Some may find themselves in negative equity situations but as long as they could afford the mortgage repayments they would not have a problem. The negative equity may cause the lenders some discomfort but as long as the borrowers were not defaulting, the lenders wouldn't be going bust.
Such a price collapse may well in turn actually stimulate the property market as property would become more affordable and more first time buyers would be able to get a foothold on the property ladder.
One of the reasons that private property rents are so high, is due to the inflated property values resulting from the prolonged housing bubble. Maybe the property market needs such a correction?

You may well be right. But I still reckon the banks would fold, particularly as the impact on their balance sheets would destroy their credit ratings even if not a single home owner defaulted.
Quote by Ben_Minx
A property price collapse would not necessarily result in borrowers defaulting. Some may find themselves in negative equity situations but as long as they could afford the mortgage repayments they would not have a problem. The negative equity may cause the lenders some discomfort but as long as the borrowers were not defaulting, the lenders wouldn't be going bust.
Such a price collapse may well in turn actually stimulate the property market as property would become more affordable and more first time buyers would be able to get a foothold on the property ladder.
One of the reasons that private property rents are so high, is due to the inflated property values resulting from the prolonged housing bubble. Maybe the property market needs such a correction?

You may well be right. But I still reckon the banks would fold, particularly as the impact on their balance sheets would destroy their credit ratings even if not a single home owner defaulted.
What impact would there be on the balance sheets?
There have been property price collapses before without banks going bust. As long as the borrowers continued to repay the loans there wouldn't be a problem.
The problem with the sub prime debt was that the borrowers could no longer afford to repay the ever increasing mortgage interest rates being charged by the lenders. If interest rates started to rise in this country, there would be many many borrowers in deep shit.
Quote by Max777
What impact would there be on the balance sheets?
There have been property price collapses before without banks going bust. As long as the borrowers continued to repay the loans there wouldn't be a problem.
The problem with the sub prime debt was that the borrowers could no longer afford to repay the ever increasing mortgage interest rates being charged by the lenders. If interest rates started to rise in this country, there would be many many borrowers in deep shit.

I don't think we have seen a property price collapse on the scale that would happen if rent subsidies in the form of housing benefit were removed.
I quite agree about the rising interest rates which I fully expect to happen and would further add to the problem.
Quote by Ben_Minx

What impact would there be on the balance sheets?
There have been property price collapses before without banks going bust. As long as the borrowers continued to repay the loans there wouldn't be a problem.
The problem with the sub prime debt was that the borrowers could no longer afford to repay the ever increasing mortgage interest rates being charged by the lenders. If interest rates started to rise in this country, there would be many many borrowers in deep shit.

I don't think we have seen a property price collapse on the scale that would happen if rent subsidies in the form of housing benefit were removed.
I quite agree about the rising interest rates which I fully expect to happen and would further add to the problem.
I'm not sure that it would have the impact you belive it would Ben. Maybe it would result in landlords charging realistic rents rather than the inflated rents currently being charged. Maybe we need some form of rent control, which in turn would control rent subsidies.
Quote by Max777
I'm not sure that it would have the impact you belive it would Ben. Maybe it would result in landlords charging realistic rents rather than the inflated rents currently being charged. Maybe we need some form of rent control, which in turn would control rent subsidies.

I could go along with judicious rent control.
Quote by Ben_Minx

I'm not sure that it would have the impact you belive it would Ben. Maybe it would result in landlords charging realistic rents rather than the inflated rents currently being charged. Maybe we need some form of rent control, which in turn would control rent subsidies.

I could go along with judicious rent control.
That's settled then wink
Right... sit down... remain calm
Perhaps....just perhaps you understand,the answer is not for government to tinker round the edges,changing a rule here and there....perhaps the answer is to develop a housing policy.... perhaps if just for the time being they decide not to render people poorer and homeless,they could accept the status quo for as long as it takes to build some more social housing ..... I know a stupid unworkable idea.... forget I mentioned it .... I mean joined up thinking from politicians it's a pipe dream ...