Dale Farm

10 Sep 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
Not disagreeing Star that the law should be done and be seen to be done in the case of Dale Farm
However, as a business pays tax are you saying that it is ok for them to break the same law as these business make life misery to the nearby residents?
My belief is that in these cases both should be dealt with exactly the same, whether they are Traveller or business
Dave_Notts

sorry dave i must be missing some thing.
you are now adding another arguement here. I did not think i said any thing about businesses dunno

i am talking purely about dale farm as the op started out and not trying to go off topic, which you mentioned other peeple in this thred had done.
i am talking about so called travellers flouting planning laws that you or i could do, and get away with it for ten yeers.
i cannot see what that has got to do with what a business does as the thred cleerly is talking about dale farm.

Quote by YOU
The thread is starting to go way off topic.

talking about businesses getting away with whatever is also going off the original topic of which the op had originally intended.
by all means if some one started another thred talking about this issue then i would reply to it. :notes:

10 Sep 2011

The thread is about the Travellers breaking planning law. The thread is about why the government/local authority do not do anything about it.
The reason why the law isn't changed is because business do not want it to happen as it will impact on them as well.
I would like to see a change in the law, but business is not in favour of it. Due to this, the travellers will take advantage of it.
If people want to just change it for the travellers but not business then that is discrimination in my book. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
As you can see Star, it is not off topic but exactly the same law........but wanting to see it applied equally across the board.
Dave_Notts

10 Sep 2011

I am always amused by the fact that, it doesn't really matter which side of the argument you come from there is always a double standard operated when it comes to travellers

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
String 'em all up fuckin' pikeys

was a joke intended in part to point this out

Quote by starlightcouple
many peeple would say a big yes to that statement.
:thumbup:

???? go figure
Anyone remember this ???

Not quite the same uproar as I remember

10 Sep 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I am always amused by the fact that, it doesn't really matter which side of the argument you come from there is always a double standard operated when it comes to travellers
String 'em all up fuckin' pikeys

was a joke intended in part to point this out

Quote by starlightcouple
many peeple would say a big yes to that statement.
:thumbup:

???? go figure
mr staggers you really do need to point out to us on here when you are/are not JOKING!!

Quote by on the 5th september 2010 you
" I apologise for my earlier outburst what I meant to say was....homophobic woman hating racist protecting cunt"

when refering to the popes visit to the uk. was that a joke by any chance? irony? truth then?

Quote by then on the 2nd september 2011 you
" String 'em all up fuckin' pikeys"

which it seams was meant as irony dunno

a strange bit of irony there.
in between those two posts there are a host of horrid/nasty coments from you that end up either being " ironic " or " joke " comments, when someone challenges you.
i think personally that you screem for attention, and then sulk when peeple show you up for I am afraid the not very nice person that you are.
i do not know you at all but i do not like you. you hide your comments many times as them being a " joke ". I have looked over your posts going way back and there are a lot of examples.
maybe the admin on here should have an emotion just for you, where when you are actually joking you can give us a bit of a clue.
i shall ask if that is possible just so that we all know when your comments have irony attatched to them, or they are reely just a joke, or when you are just being plaine nasty.
:twisted:
leeve it with me and i shall ask.

10 Sep 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
I am always amused by the fact that, it doesn't really matter which side of the argument you come from there is always a double standard operated when it comes to travellers
String 'em all up fuckin' pikeys

was a joke intended in part to point this out

Quote by starlightcouple
many peeple would say a big yes to that statement.
:thumbup:

???? go figure
mr staggers you really do need to point out to us on here when you are/are not JOKING!!

Quote by on the 5th september 2010 you
" I apologise for my earlier outburst what I meant to say was....homophobic woman hating racist protecting cunt"

when refering to the popes visit to the uk. was that a joke by any chance? irony? truth then?

Quote by then on the 2nd september 2011 you
" String 'em all up fuckin' pikeys"

which it seams was meant as irony dunno

a strange bit of irony there.
in between those two posts there are a host of horrid/nasty coments from you that end up either being " ironic " or " joke " comments, when someone challenges you.
i think personally that you screem for attention, and then sulk when peeple show you up for I am afraid the not very nice person that you are.
i do not know you at all but i do not like you. you hide your comments many times as them being a " joke ". I have looked over your posts going way back and there are a lot of examples.
maybe the admin on here should have an emotion just for you, where when you are actually joking you can give us a bit of a clue.
i shall ask if that is possible just so that we all know when your comments have irony attatched to them, or they are reely just a joke, or when you are just being plaine nasty.
:twisted:
leeve it with me and i shall ask.
Oh dear .... now the thing is Star that a joke may often bear an element of truth...
the pope comment which you seen so keen on for instance , is a joke because it is an unrealistic expectation,do I think that he has questions to answer about the church's protection of priests or it's position during the war or even it's attitude to women ... you bet your arse I do .... do I think that some kind of diatribe about the evils of religion will change anyones view of the pope? No .. so I make a joke
Now the pikey comment ... as you say ,you don't know me, many people here have managed, I hope,to form some kind of opinion as to the type of person I am ,either from my posts and their 'spirit' or from meeting me (some have and non of them has punched me yet)I can only hope that either you have not read enough or have not understood me ... either way that's not MY fault so you go ahead and dislike me as much as you want,it wont change me or what I post .. ultimately you see I don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me
'screem' for attention ... no more than you or anyone else here... I just sometimes use different methods to try a stop people for long enough to think about what I'm saying
Emotes ?? wouldn't use it mate, very rarely do, I like the idea of uncertainty when someone reads what I post
As for revealing my true nature....

Quote by starlightcouple
String 'em all up fuckin' pikeys

many peeple would say a big yes to that statement.
:thumbup:
You sure you meant me ???

10 Sep 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Now the pikey comment ... as you say ,you don't know me, many people here have managed, I hope,to form some kind of opinion as to the type of person I am ,either from my posts and their 'spirit' or from meeting me (some have and non of them has punched me yet)I can only hope that either you have not read enough or have not understood me ... either way that's not MY fault so you go ahead and dislike me as much as you want,it wont change me or what I post .. ultimately you see I don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me

the bits i have high lighted sum every thing up very nicely!!
:thumbup: cheers

10 Sep 2011

Quote by starlightcouple

Now the pikey comment ... as you say ,you don't know me, many people here have managed, I hope,to form some kind of opinion as to the type of person I am ,either from my posts and their 'spirit' or from meeting me (some have and non of them has punched me yet)I can only hope that either you have not read enough or have not understood me ... either way that's not MY fault so you go ahead and dislike me as much as you want,it wont change me or what I post .. ultimately you see I don't care what you or anyone else thinks of me

the bits i have high lighted sum every thing up very nicely!!
:thumbup: cheers
Yadayada ... now if in future you'd like to stick to what I post rather than what you think of me everything will be fine

11 Sep 2011

Quote by Star
maybe the admin on here should have an emotion just for you, where when you are actually joking you can give us a bit of a clue.
. . . .
i shall ask if that is possible just so that we all know when your comments have irony attatched to them, or they are reely just a joke, or when you are just being plaine nasty.

That's a good idea Star. Without some sort of hint from someone telling me how to read I might have thought Staggers was being serious, and actually advocating hanging? confused

I mean, you just can't tell with some people, can you? dunno

Quote by Star
which it seams was meant as irony :dunno: a strange bit of irony there.

What's strange about it? Seems a perfect use of irony, in a way intended to make strange the thoughts that might be floating about in someone else's head, in the hope they might stop and think and about what's really being said, for that is the purpose of it. These people who would seemingly agree with him on the stringing up thing, for example? Know a few by any chance?

Quote by According to A glossary of literary terms by Abrams and Hartman
Verbal irony is a statement in which the meaning that a speaker employs is sharply different from the meaning that is ostensibly expressed. The ironic statement usually involves the explicit expression of one attitude or evaluation, but with indications in the overall speech-situation that the speaker intends a very different, and often opposite, attitude or evaluation.

Hope that helps?
N x x x ;)

11 Sep 2011

Neil

11 Sep 2011

Does anyone actually live near a travellers camp and not have problems with them?

11 Sep 2011

Quote by neilinleeds
That's a good idea Star. Without some sort of hint from someone telling me how to read I might have thought Staggers was being serious, and actually advocating hanging? I mean, you just can't tell with some people, can you?

i see that you have been a member on here for a while. so some may say that you would know a member better than some one who has not be on here as long as you, like myself. cheers for giving me the nod nell.:notes:

Quote by neilinleeds
What's strange about it? Seems a perfect use of irony, in a way intended to make strange the thoughts that might be floating about in someone else's head, in the hope they might stop and think and about what's really being said, for that is the purpose of it. These people who would seemingly agree with him on the stringing up thing, for example? Know a few by any chance?

ah right so somebody has to be a bit of a mind reeder on here as well then :dunno:
calling the pope a " a homophobic woman hating racist protecting cunt"
or when talking about a traveller " String 'em all up fuckin' pikeys" .
ah right nell i see where you are coming from now loon

Quote by neilinleeds
Hope that helps?

that has been fantastic help indeed nell. must be a mind reeder here :thumbup:
maybe i should buy one of these from e bay? do you think it will help?

11 Sep 2011

that has been fantastic help indeed nell.

Glad to hear it!
Neilinleeds - Occasionally useful. :smug:

11 Sep 2011

Quote by neilinleeds
that has been fantastic help indeed nell.

Glad to hear it!
Neilinleeds - Occasionally useful. :smug:
And Star's even passing on your valuable input, Neil smile

12 Sep 2011

Quote by browning
Does anyone actually live near a travellers camp and not have problems with them?

I don't live near a travellers camp but I did work next door to one for many years without any trouble

12 Sep 2011

working and living on a day to day basis are two differant things completely. the vast amount of trouble seems to be after dark.
we have a permanant trallers site neer to us, and nobody around here goes into our local pub anymore because of all the trouble they cause.
funny how much rubbish they generate as well :notes:

12 Sep 2011

The permanent travellers site I know of has been told to stop "collecting" rubbish from the area (out of hedgerows, ditches, etc) as it is becoming a fire hazard in the camp. They want to keep their area tidy and not be blamed for the mess left by clean, law abiding, tax paying locals.
Dave_Notts

12 Sep 2011

then they must be very cleen travellers around your way then dave.
maybe the ones around the other parts of the country could lern a thing or two from your ever so cleen and tidy ones.:notes:
unfortunately the majority are just litter collectors and trouble makers.
i am rather looking forward though to these ilegal travellers having the force of the law come down on them, it would have come down on me nine yeers and ten months ago. :twisted:

12 Sep 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
i am rather looking forward though to these ilegal travellers having the force of the law come down on them, it would have come down on me nine yeers and ten months ago. :twisted:

It came down on them ten years ago. Try reading the story about this again
Dave_Notts

12 Sep 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Does anyone actually live near a travellers camp and not have problems with them?

I don't live near a travellers camp but I did work next door to one for many years without any trouble
Why am I not suprised by that..............

12 Sep 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
It came down on them ten years ago. Try reading the story about this again

that is like saying you have been fined ten yeers ago for a offence but it is only now that you are being forced to pay it.
you knew exactly what was ment by my comments mr notts. that is usually a sign of a weak argument i am afraid.,
these ( travellers ) have used costly solicitors and the council have spent millions of pounds trying all sorts of tactics to stop the eviction going ahead. at long last hopefully this can be put to bed and these peeple evicted without any further delays.
maybe mr staggers and ms redgrave can club together and help them to find a nice new home. dunno

for these law abiding very cleen travellers.
if nothing else they will help you lay new roads and electricity and even new sewage systems.

12 Sep 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
you knew exactly what was ment by my comments mr notts. that is usually a sign of a weak argument i am afraid.

I do not know what you mean if you do not say it properly I am afraid.
You are right though, that there is a weak argument. And that is not understanding planning legislation and the ability to defer the case for as long as possible. Business has been doing this for years. The loop hole is there.
Should it be closed? In my opinion, yes it should.........but there is no demand from business to close it as they would be the first penalised by it.
As I said previously, good for the goose and all that
Dave_Notts

13 Sep 2011

Quote by Dave__Notts
I do not know what you mean if you do not say it properly I am afraid.

sorry mr notts it is not my fault if you fail to grasp my argument.:small-print:

Quote by Dave__Notts
And that is not understanding planning legislation and the ability to defer the case for as long as possible. Business has been doing this for years. The loop hole is there.

can you show us some examples of this?

Quote by Dave__Notts
Should it be closed? In my opinion, yes it should.........but there is no demand from business to close it as they would be the first penalised by it.

once again have you any evidence of this at all or is it just your opinion? there are not thousands being evicted so the few that will be i do not think it will make any business owner around there a lose a million or there businesses.
i would be interested to see you find a business owner from there who wants them to stay as it will affect there business.

Quote by Dave__Notts
As I said previously, good for the goose and all that

i do not see any gooses here. all i see are peeple through what they are and what they represent, flouting planning law that the average person would not get away with. they have used slippery lawyers and intimidation tactics to remain there for ten yeers.
i think it is about time that this law and the law of squatters should be dealt with within 48 hours by the courts.
i for one will be glad when they are eventually kicked out but once again the anarchists are alive and well now in basildon, so it will be interesting how many of them injure police and bailiffs. once again though those poor peeple will have to go into a violent situation with kid gloves on.
still nice peeple those travellers, nice and clean and law abiding they are. innocent

13 Sep 2011

Quote by browning
Does anyone actually live near a travellers camp and not have problems with them?

I don't live near a travellers camp but I did work next door to one for many years without any trouble
Why am I not suprised by that..............
I can only assume that it's because you share my view that people should be judged on their actions and not by which racial/cultural/social group they happen to belong to

13 Sep 2011

Quote by starlightcouple
working and living on a day to day basis are two differant things completely. the vast amount of trouble seems to be after dark.
we have a permanant trallers site neer to us, and nobody around here goes into our local pub anymore because of all the trouble they cause.
funny how much rubbish they generate as well :notes:

So all this after dark trouble would be occurring when the factory was empty, apart from all the valuable metal scrap neatly sorted into bins ... phew it's a good job there were no habitual thieves living nearby or they might have broken in and stolen it all

13 Sep 2011

The traveller's site near us is exceeding its planning permission and making a mockery of the planning laws BUT it is far cleaner and tidier than the adjacent lorry park which is a total tip. dunno

13 Sep 2011

P.S.
I am Star, in awe of your creative editing abilities .... which paper do you work for ???

13 Sep 2011

The question you have to ask is ...... who is right here
Do they have weapons of mass destruction on the site
if they do or if they don't eviction might be difficult as there will be no assistance forthcoming to the authorities
I know, let's start a rumour that they have oil on the site and that Bin Laden's replacement is hiding there
Now, pass the problem to the Americans smile

Problem solved

13 Sep 2011

Quote by foxylady2209
The traveller's site near us is exceeding its planning permission and making a mockery of the planning laws BUT it is far cleaner and tidier than the adjacent lorry park which is a total tip.

Maybe thats because they could be using homeless and vulnerable men to clean up their site!

13 Sep 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
P.S.
I am Star, in awe of your creative editing abilities .... which paper do you work for ???

cannot possibly say mr staggers but you do talk a load of shite on your telephone
:rascal::rascal:

13 Sep 2011

Quote by Mr-Powers
The traveller's site near us is exceeding its planning permission and making a mockery of the planning laws BUT it is far cleaner and tidier than the adjacent lorry park which is a total tip.

Maybe thats because they could be using homeless and vulnerable men to clean up their site!
:giggle::giggle: