Kenty, GSD's are my dog of choice.
I feel no need to elaborate on how many I've owned, how long for, and similarly don't give a flying fuck whether your surname is Woodhouse, you taught the dog whisperer everything he knew, or you are, in fact, a German Shepherd in a dress.
I took a tiny bit from your post, rather than quoting you in your entirity in order to simply shed a little enlightenment, rather than single you out in a "you're wrong manner." But you, rather than saying, "oh, I never knew that"- or maybe even googling "alsation misnomer" and getting on with it had to attempt one upmanship.
Call them what you like. Hell, call your next bitch Witchy- makes no odds to me.
I too was bought up calling them Alsations. It doesn't alter the fact that it's a misnomer.
Over and out.
Witchy.
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Kenty, GSD's are my dog of choice.
I feel no need to elaborate on how many I've owned, how long for, and similarly don't give a flying fuck whether your surname is Woodhouse, you taught the dog whisperer everything he knew, or you are, in fact, a German Shepherd in a dress.
I took a tiny bit from your post, rather than quoting you in your entirity in order to simply shed a little enlightenment, rather than single you out in a "you're wrong manner." But you, rather than saying, "oh, I never knew that"- or maybe even googling "alsation misnomer" and getting on with it had to attempt one upmanship.
Call them what you like. Hell, call your next bitch Witchy- makes no odds to me.
I too was bought up calling them Alsations. It doesn't alter the fact that it's a misnomer.
Over and out.
Witchy.
Dangerous Dog.
Well thank goodness for that.
Maybe your manner of " enlightenment " could have been written in a manner that was more humour than trying to make a point.
I am fully aware of your point, more aware than you obviously realised.
I prefere to call them Alsations, and will continue to do so.
I bet you read my link too.....hope it was of some interest.
Now Witchy for the name of my next Alsation, does not sit too well with me.
Maybe a name like "vomhausjames", who happens to be...well Google it. :wink:
I have a Staffie cross Boxer and she at nearly five is the nicest dog I've ever known and my mom was a dog breeder. Her personality is second to none, she barks a lot but I've seen her run away from cats. And she is more loyal and trustworthy than any Hunan I have ever known. I've had her since she was a puppy and she loves me like I love her. That is how it should be.
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Kenty, GSD's are my dog of choice.
I feel no need to elaborate on how many I've owned, how long for, and similarly don't give a flying fuck whether your surname is Woodhouse, you taught the dog whisperer everything he knew, or you are, in fact, a German Shepherd in a dress.
I took a tiny bit from your post, rather than quoting you in your entirity in order to simply shed a little enlightenment, rather than single you out in a "you're wrong manner." But you, rather than saying, "oh, I never knew that"- or maybe even googling "alsation misnomer" and getting on with it had to attempt one upmanship.
Call them what you like. Hell, call your next bitch Witchy- makes no odds to me.
I too was bought up calling them Alsations. It doesn't alter the fact that it's a misnomer.
Over and out.
Witchy.
Dangerous Dog.
Well thank goodness for that.
Maybe your manner of " enlightenment " could have been written in a manner that was more humour than trying to make a point.
I am fully aware of your point, more aware than you obviously realised.
I prefere to call them Alsations, and will continue to do so.
I bet you read my link too.....hope it was of some interest.
Now Witchy for the name of my next Alsation, does not sit too well with me.
Maybe a name like "vomhausjames", who happens to be...well Google it. :wink:
I read the link........and doesn't it say what Witchy says? It is a German Shepard Dog (a GSD)
You prefer to call them Alsatian Wolf Dogs but they were only renamed after WW1 to drop the "German" name...........and even this was dropped to shorten it to Alsatian
Dave_Notts
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Kenty, GSD's are my dog of choice.
I feel no need to elaborate on how many I've owned, how long for, and similarly don't give a flying fuck whether your surname is Woodhouse, you taught the dog whisperer everything he knew, or you are, in fact, a German Shepherd in a dress.
I took a tiny bit from your post, rather than quoting you in your entirity in order to simply shed a little enlightenment, rather than single you out in a "you're wrong manner." But you, rather than saying, "oh, I never knew that"- or maybe even googling "alsation misnomer" and getting on with it had to attempt one upmanship.
Call them what you like. Hell, call your next bitch Witchy- makes no odds to me.
I too was bought up calling them Alsations. It doesn't alter the fact that it's a misnomer.
Over and out.
Witchy.
Dangerous Dog.
misnomer or not, the word Alsation and its canine definition are included in dictionaries so it must be regarded as acceptable terminology, so I'm not really sure what point is trying to be proved here?.
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misnomer or not, the word Alsation and its canine definition are included in dictionaries so it must be regarded as acceptable terminology, so I'm not really sure what point is trying to be proved here?.
Witchy pointed out it was a misnomer, that was the point. Kenty has now been going on about proving witchy right with his links.......so the question needs to be is what is Kentys point. I was interested in this because of two things and these are:
One: I didn't know what a misnomer was so had to look it up. Two: I didn't know an Alsation was not different to a GSD
It may be in a dictionary but does it detract from being a misnomer?
For example, my name is Dave.......just because someone changes my name to pratt and then calls it me for the next 80 years it will always be a misnomer of my name, even if it became common use and ended up in a dictionary.
Dave_Notts
I am not getting into an arguement over what some people call one breed of dog ffs.
Witchy was just trying to be a bit clever, I realise that one but....I have forgotten more about that breed of dog than most people know about them.
GSD or Alsation.....people know exactly what ya are talking about...so what???
Witchy was just trying to be a bit clever, I realise that one but....I have forgotten more about that breed of dog than most people know about them.
GSD or Alsation.....people know exactly what ya are talking about...so what???
Dave hit the nail on the head. FFS, I even chose not to quote Kent directly to make it clear it wasn't a dig- just a snippet of information.
Two people at least now know something they didn't before, which was my purpose. There's a general misconception that "Alsations" are the short haired type popular when I was little, and that GSD's are the longer haired breed more popular now. A surprising amount of people think they're two different breeds.
I was being helpful- Kenty chose to respond in a condescending manner and tiresome one-upmanship.
PS- I have mayo on my chips too, am I Belgian? :shock:
Two people at least now know something they didn't before, which was my purpose. There's a general misconception that "Alsations" are the short haired type popular when I was little, and that GSD's are the longer haired breed more popular now. A surprising amount of people think they're two different breeds.
I was being helpful- Kenty chose to respond in a condescending manner and tiresome one-upmanship.
PS- I have mayo on my chips too, am I Belgian? :shock:
And back to the point...
I've been trying to find a reference to something I read a while back- but I can't, so this is just conjecture...
Anyone remember a case a while ago when a baby was mauled to death by his grandparents two dogs in Wales? They were a Staffie, and a Jack Russell. The article I read alleged that the post mortem results showed the majority of the wounds on the baby were inflicted by the Jack Russell- not what you'd necessarily expect.
Where temperament is concerned, dog breeds can usually be put into one of two categories based upon how they are likely to react to a stressful situation; "fight or flight." Terriers, for example, are usually fighters. Retrievers will usually run & hide. There are, however, always exceptions to the rule, but it's a useful guide to a dog's natural, instinctive demeanor. As a tot, I had a Jack Russell whos whiskers you could have put in pony tails & he would have just licked you. I've met downright aggressive Golden Retrievers. It's just a rule of thumb, and inevitably a lot of how a dog ends up reacting is down to it's owners.
Dog owners need educating. Every dog is potentially dangerous around small children, it's the extent of the damage that differs.
I've been trying to find a reference to something I read a while back- but I can't, so this is just conjecture...
Anyone remember a case a while ago when a baby was mauled to death by his grandparents two dogs in Wales? They were a Staffie, and a Jack Russell. The article I read alleged that the post mortem results showed the majority of the wounds on the baby were inflicted by the Jack Russell- not what you'd necessarily expect.
Where temperament is concerned, dog breeds can usually be put into one of two categories based upon how they are likely to react to a stressful situation; "fight or flight." Terriers, for example, are usually fighters. Retrievers will usually run & hide. There are, however, always exceptions to the rule, but it's a useful guide to a dog's natural, instinctive demeanor. As a tot, I had a Jack Russell whos whiskers you could have put in pony tails & he would have just licked you. I've met downright aggressive Golden Retrievers. It's just a rule of thumb, and inevitably a lot of how a dog ends up reacting is down to it's owners.
Dog owners need educating. Every dog is potentially dangerous around small children, it's the extent of the damage that differs.
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misnomer or not, the word Alsation and its canine definition are included in dictionaries so it must be regarded as acceptable terminology, so I'm not really sure what point is trying to be proved here?.
Witchy pointed out it was a misnomer, that was the point. Kenty has now been going on about proving witchy right with his links.......so the question needs to be is what is Kentys point. I was interested in this because of two things and these are:
One: I didn't know what a misnomer was so had to look it up. Two: I didn't know an Alsation was not different to a GSD
It may be in a dictionary but does it detract from being a misnomer?
For example, my name is Dave.......just because someone changes my name to pratt and then calls it me for the next 80 years it will always be a misnomer of my name, even if it became common use and ended up in a dictionary.
Dave_Notts
Dave
If you have looked up the word misnomer, then you will know that calling an Alsation an Alsation is NOT in fact a misnomer. The word misnomer is defined thus:
An error in naming a person or place
Application of a wrong name
A name wrongly or unsuitably applied to a person or an object.
The name was changed quite deliberatley and for a specific reason, just as the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha changed its name. Do we refer to the House of Windsor as a misnomer?
Sex God
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And back to the point...
I've been trying to find a reference to something I read a while back- but I can't, so this is just conjecture...
Anyone remember a case a while ago when a baby was mauled to death by his grandparents two dogs in Wales? They were a Staffie, and a Jack Russell. The article I read alleged that the post mortem results showed the majority of the wounds on the baby were inflicted by the Jack Russell- not what you'd necessarily expect.
Where temperament is concerned, dog breeds can usually be put into one of two categories based upon how they are likely to react to a stressful situation; "fight or flight." Terriers, for example, are usually fighters. Retrievers will usually run & hide. There are, however, always exceptions to the rule, but it's a useful guide to a dog's natural, instinctive demeanor. As a tot, I had a Jack Russell whos whiskers you could have put in pony tails & he would have just licked you. I've met downright aggressive Golden Retrievers. It's just a rule of thumb, and inevitably a lot of how a dog ends up reacting is down to it's owners.
Dog owners need educating. Every dog is potentially dangerous around small children, it's the extent of the damage that differs.
I think this has said it all, we agree 100%
Max, a google search on the history of GSDs brings up a number of sites. They all say it is a misnomer of the breed.
I can understand what you are trying to say but I can't get my head around it I am afraid. English grammar has never been my strong point and this is why I was following this closely as I am learning from it........in fact two things.
I would call the house of Windsor a misnomer as their name is Saxe-Coburg and Gotha originally. Or shouldn't a misnomer be used this way if something is changed.
Where are the bloody teachers when you need them. I bet they are on holiday again
Dave_Notts
I can understand what you are trying to say but I can't get my head around it I am afraid. English grammar has never been my strong point and this is why I was following this closely as I am learning from it........in fact two things.
I would call the house of Windsor a misnomer as their name is Saxe-Coburg and Gotha originally. Or shouldn't a misnomer be used this way if something is changed
.Where are the bloody teachers when you need them. I bet they are on holiday again
Dave_Notts
I can see the sticking point- and am just as unsure. However, with the dogs, the name has been officially changed back to the correct one, so while it may/may not have been a misnomer in 1976, it is now.
Another interesting factoid- the Great Dane isn't Danish, it's German too.
>>craves Schnitzel & Schwarzwaldcreme<<
Another interesting factoid- the Great Dane isn't Danish, it's German too.
>>craves Schnitzel & Schwarzwaldcreme<<
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I can see the sticking point- and am just as unsure. However, with the dogs, the name has been officially changed back to the correct one, so while it may/may not have been a misnomer in 1976, it is now.
Thats why Kenty calls it an Alsatian. He is stuck in the seventies. And I was wondering about his photos.....this explains it
Dave_Notts
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I can see the sticking point- and am just as unsure. However, with the dogs, the name has been officially changed back to the correct one, so while it may/may not have been a misnomer in 1976, it is now.
Thats why Kenty calls it an Alsatian. He is stuck in the seventies. And I was wondering about his photos.....this explains it
Dave_Notts
Davey your analogies sometimes, can be sooooooooooooo childishly boring.
What I call the breed is immaterial! If I want to call them the fuck breed, who cares?
It won't change the world for me because some people think to call them Alsations is soooo terribly wrong....Oh ya....they are GSD'S...Doh I never heard of that before. :sad:
But I will not bore you with MY history of the breed, and my association with them, don't want to baffle you too much. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I can see the sticking point- and am just as unsure. However, with the dogs, the name has been officially changed back to the correct one, so while it may/may not have been a misnomer in 1976, it is now.
Thats why Kenty calls it an Alsatian. He is stuck in the seventies. And I was wondering about his photos.....this explains it
Dave_Notts
Davey your analogies sometimes, can be sooooooooooooo childishly boring.
What I call the breed is immaterial! If I want to call them the fuck breed, who cares?
It won't change the world for me because some people think to call them Alsations is soooo terribly wrong....Oh ya....they are GSD'S...Doh I never heard of that before. :sad:
But I will not bore you with MY history of the breed, and my association with them, don't want to baffle you too much. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The Alsace is a region that has been disputed by the Germans and the French for centuries. Both have had sovereignty of the region, which was given to the French after WW2. I'm guessing that the German Sheppard was called Alsation to make the breed appear more French and less German after the war.
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I can see the sticking point- and am just as unsure. However, with the dogs, the name has been officially changed back to the correct one, so while it may/may not have been a misnomer in 1976, it is now.
Thats why Kenty calls it an Alsatian. He is stuck in the seventies. And I was wondering about his photos.....this explains it
Dave_Notts
Davey your analogies sometimes, can be sooooooooooooo childishly boring.
What I call the breed is immaterial! If I want to call them the fuck breed, who cares?
It won't change the world for me because some people think to call them Alsations is soooo terribly wrong....Oh ya....they are GSD'S...Doh I never heard of that before. :sad:
But I will not bore you with MY history of the breed, and my association with them, don't want to baffle you too much. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The Alsace is a region that has been disputed by the Germans and the French for centuries. Both have had sovereignty of the region, which was given to the French after WW2. I'm guessing that the German Sheppard was called Alsation to make the breed appear more French and less German after the war.
This is a very good link Brighton, that says all anyone really needs to know.
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I can see the sticking point- and am just as unsure. However, with the dogs, the name has been officially changed back to the correct one, so while it may/may not have been a misnomer in 1976, it is now.
Thats why Kenty calls it an Alsatian. He is stuck in the seventies. And I was wondering about his photos.....this explains it
Dave_Notts
Davey your analogies sometimes, can be sooooooooooooo childishly boring.
What I call the breed is immaterial! If I want to call them the fuck breed, who cares?
It won't change the world for me because some people think to call them Alsations is soooo terribly wrong....Oh ya....they are GSD'S...Doh I never heard of that before. :sad:
But I will not bore you with MY history of the breed, and my association with them, don't want to baffle you too much. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The Alsace is a region that has been disputed by the Germans and the French for centuries. Both have had sovereignty of the region, which was given to the French after WW2. I'm guessing that the German Sheppard was called Alsation to make the breed appear more French and less German after the war.
This is a very good link Brighton, that says all anyone really needs to know.
I found this one which said it was a misnomer :lol: You may breed them, keep them, study them and love them but you implied someone was wrong and I can't see nothing in the links you have supplied as anything but showing the individual was correct......or am I missing something here.
Thus we had for many years the misnomer of the breed brought about by national hostilities.
Dave_Notts
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I can see the sticking point- and am just as unsure. However, with the dogs, the name has been officially changed back to the correct one, so while it may/may not have been a misnomer in 1976, it is now.
Thats why Kenty calls it an Alsatian. He is stuck in the seventies. And I was wondering about his photos.....this explains it
Dave_Notts
Davey your analogies sometimes, can be sooooooooooooo childishly boring.
What I call the breed is immaterial! If I want to call them the fuck breed, who cares?
It won't change the world for me because some people think to call them Alsations is soooo terribly wrong....Oh ya....they are GSD'S...Doh I never heard of that before. :sad:
But I will not bore you with MY history of the breed, and my association with them, don't want to baffle you too much. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
The Alsace is a region that has been disputed by the Germans and the French for centuries. Both have had sovereignty of the region, which was given to the French after WW2. I'm guessing that the German Sheppard was called Alsation to make the breed appear more French and less German after the war.
This is a very good link Brighton, that says all anyone really needs to know.
I found this one which said it was a misnomer :lol: You may breed them, keep them, study them and love them but you implied someone was wrong and I can't see nothing in the links you have supplied as anything but showing the individual was correct......or am I missing something here.
Thus we had for many years the misnomer of the breed brought about by national hostilities.
Dave_Notts
Davey I never said she was wrong at all.
I am fully aware about the correct name for them. Brits of which I am one CAN call them Alsations. If people are not clever enough to understand there is NO difference in the name of the breed based purely on the length of the dogs coat,that is not my fault.
The person who pointed it out was trying at humour by using it as a misnomer, that's fine, but I was fully aware about the history of the dog, and the PROPER name for it.
I never said she was wrong, only trying to be a smart arsey. :lol:
If I said to most people what is an Alsation, they would know instantly. Now IF you said that in Germany or the USA, they may well not know. But here we also refere to them as Alsations. On all the puppies I have bred, on their Kennel club documents it obviously says GSD's, so that IS their historic name.
Hope that clears things up.
Sex God
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:crazy: I am a poodle. :crazy:
Possibly, but are you sure?
I am sure some kind helpfull person will soon put you straight if your not
