A London Council have announced that the private landlords are charging so much for property rent that they can no longer afford to put people up in thier properties and have asked a Stoke on Trent Housing Authority to house 500 families to ease thier problem.
There is a waiting list for council houses in Stoke as there is in all areas, we do have many houses for rent by private landlords but many of them will not take on DSS clients so it would be down to the Private Housing Authorities to help out, but why should they, they are here to help needing cases in the area, what about the people looking for work in Stoke on Trent, do they want another 500 families being dumped here to make the job market more competative, what about the DSS payments to those families and the housing benefit paid by the council, why should Stoke have to foot that bill out of it's financial budget.
Why haven't the London Councils addressed the problem and built more houses.
I am sure other councils have been or will be approached by the London Council to help them and if they succeed in passing thier problems on other London Councils will see it as a solution to thier problems and start dumping thier unwanted around the rest of the Country.
What about the families, there must be a reason they are living where they are, no consideration seems to be being given to them about sending them 200 miles from where they want to be.
It is just wrong.
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Sex God
I see no one seems to have mentioned the 150 families that moved last summer from Birmingham to Exeter and East Devon for exactly the same reason?
Or the 50 families that moved from Plymouth and west Cornwall to Exeter in December last year for exactly the same reason?.
I think it's a bit naive not to realise that this is going on a lot more than perhaps you think it may be.
Or the 50 families that moved from Plymouth and west Cornwall to Exeter in December last year for exactly the same reason?.
I think it's a bit naive not to realise that this is going on a lot more than perhaps you think it may be.
Quote by Trevaunance
I see no one seems to have mentioned the 150 families that moved last summer from Birmingham to Exeter and East Devon for exactly the same reason?
Or the 50 families that moved from Plymouth and west Cornwall to Exeter in December last year for exactly the same reason?.
I think it's a bit naive not to realise that this is going on a lot more than perhaps you think it may be.
well your argument has not got a " london " attached to it.
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your constant moaning about london mids is getting tiresome. :sleeping:
can you blame them for sending them to the capital of the uk that is stoke on trent
fancy popping down for the jubilee or the Olympics mids?
Your constant supporting of anything London Councils do is getting tiresome :yawn:
Somewhere along you got upset because one person (me) doesn't think that Britain revolves around your City, that is just my opinion and I am entitled to say it without your sarcastic and offensive comments. If you got past your "oh it's him that hates London" attitude you would see that I state my belief that it is wrong to move people away from the place they chose to live.
In this case it is London but as others have said it is happening elsewhere, now I know that Milton Keynes was developed for the overspill of London, Telford was developed for the overspill of Birmingham and Skelmersdale was developed for the overspill of Liverpool and Manchester but this was a thought out plan, take people with crappy housing, no jobs and no prospects and offer them a chance of a nice home in a town where job creation is a priority, it certainly worked in Milton Keynes and Telford. But just shifting people because the house they are renting costs too much to rent and moving them to a part of the Country where housing is the same standard, jobs are hard to find and they are hundreds of miles from thier families is wrong for them and for the area they are moving them to.
Just because it is a London Council it doesn't make it right, they have to have the same morals as every other council despite what you think. Are you actually saying that you agree with this forced moving of people, will you object if your council say they want the Land your property is located on to do something with, slap a compulsory purchase order on you and move you to Manchester ? or would you consider that wrong ?
I would suggest you get over your dislike for me and support the people of your City against forced moves like this in the way I support them and the way I support the unemployed of Stoke having a further burden of 500 more unemployed families dropped into thier search for vacancies.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Your constant supporting of anything London Councils do is getting tiresome :yawn:
have i? can you point me in that direction please mids. i support my city, as it is the capital. it is also the home of the democratically elected parliament. it is home to the queen and home to the Olympics. but is that down to london councils
Quote by MidsCouple24
Somewhere along you got upset because one person (me) doesn't think that Britain revolves around your City, that is just my opinion and I am entitled to say it without your sarcastic and offensive comments. If you got past your "oh it's him that hates London" attitude you would see that I state my belief that it is wrong to move people away from the place they chose to live.
i am sorry mids i did not get upset with what you said, just your dislike of the uk's capital city. sorry but my commenst in my opinion are not sarcastic but based on facts of what you have written about london in past comments, usually negative ones. also nothing i have said in my opinion is offensive and if what i have said to you, that you do find offensive you are very thin skinned.
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In this case it is London but as others have said it is happening elsewhere, now I know that Milton Keynes was developed for the overspill of London, Telford was developed for the overspill of Birmingham and Skelmersdale was developed for the overspill of Liverpool and Manchester but this was a thought out plan, take people with crappy housing, no jobs and no prospects and offer them a chance of a nice home in a town where job creation is a priority, it certainly worked in Milton Keynes and Telford. But just shifting people because the house they are renting costs too much to rent and moving them to a part of the Country where housing is the same standard, jobs are hard to find and they are hundreds of miles from thier families is wrong for them and for the area they are moving them to.
yes it is happening elsewhere mids but as usual you only think it is happening in london, as has been now pointed out to you, there are many other places you COULD have mentioned but you did not. i think london has taken on around 1.5 million immigrants in the last 15 years. did londoners ask for this? its life mids. you think things are easier in london? :doh:
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Just because it is a London Council it doesn't make it right, they have to have the same morals as every other council despite what you think. Are you actually saying that you agree with this forced moving of people, will you object if your council say they want the Land your property is located on to do something with, slap a compulsory purchase order on you and move you to Manchester ? or would you consider that wrong ?
just a london council again mids? i do not support london councils at the best of time, can you show me where i have please. i love what london is, a cosmopolitan city, where it all happens.
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I would suggest you get over your dislike for me and support the people of your City against forced moves like this in the way I support them and the way I support the unemployed of Stoke having a further burden of 500 more unemployed families dropped into thier search for vacancies.
i think you are now being somewhat paranoid mids. dislike for you? what because i do not agree with your constant banging on about london? i do not dislike you for that at all mids, what i do dislike is your lack of knowledge about what your personnel feelings are towards our capital city.
500 peeple dropped into stoke mids? have you any idea how many peeple have been dropped on london in the last two years mids? a few more than the measley few you are going on about.
i rather like you mids actually but i would ask for you to write in a better color than purple. :thumbup:
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Your constant supporting of anything London Councils do is getting tiresome :yawn:
have i? can you point me in that direction please mids. i support my city, as it is the capital. it is also the home of the democratically elected parliament. it is home to the queen and home to the Olympics. but is that down to london councils
And that answers my whole point, it is what London COUNCILS do that I have voiced all my objections, not what the people do, not what the Queen does, thier implementation of parking prices outside peoples homes, the implementation of charges on the people who pay them council tax to drive round parts of their own City, the kicking out of people they consider too expensive to keep.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Somewhere along you got upset because one person (me) doesn't think that Britain revolves around your City, that is just my opinion and I am entitled to say it without your sarcastic and offensive comments. If you got past your "oh it's him that hates London" attitude you would see that I state my belief that it is wrong to move people away from the place they chose to live.
i am sorry mids i did not get upset with what you said, just your dislike of the uk's capital city. sorry but my commenst in my opinion are not sarcastic but based on facts of what you have written about london in past comments, usually negative ones. also nothing i have said in my opinion is offensive and if what i have said to you, that you do find offensive you are very thin skinned.
Quote by MidsCouple24
In this case it is London but as others have said it is happening elsewhere, now I know that Milton Keynes was developed for the overspill of London, Telford was developed for the overspill of Birmingham and Skelmersdale was developed for the overspill of Liverpool and Manchester but this was a thought out plan, take people with crappy housing, no jobs and no prospects and offer them a chance of a nice home in a town where job creation is a priority, it certainly worked in Milton Keynes and Telford. But just shifting people because the house they are renting costs too much to rent and moving them to a part of the Country where housing is the same standard, jobs are hard to find and they are hundreds of miles from thier families is wrong for them and for the area they are moving them to.
yes it is happening elsewhere mids but as usual you only think it is happening in london, as has been now pointed out to you, there are many other places you COULD have mentioned but you did not. i think london has taken on around 1.5 million immigrants in the last 15 years. did londoners ask for this? its life mids. you think things are easier in london? :doh:
I freely admit I have not heard of it happening elsewhere, that in itself is not surprising, It was on LOCAL radio here in Stoke on Trent that I heard about it yesterday as it was Stoke on Trent the London council in question had asked to take on the 500 families. I do not get the local news for Birmingham here or London or Devon.
Quote by MidsCouple24
Just because it is a London Council it doesn't make it right, they have to have the same morals as every other council despite what you think. Are you actually saying that you agree with this forced moving of people, will you object if your council say they want the Land your property is located on to do something with, slap a compulsory purchase order on you and move you to Manchester ? or would you consider that wrong ?
just a london council again mids? i do not support london councils at the best of time, can you show me where i have please. i love what london is, a cosmopolitan city, where it all happens.
See there you go, It IS a s London Council, I cannot help that, but because it is a London Council you back them, you do not say that Stoke Council are right to object to this approach to one of thier housing associations without them being consulted.
Quote by MidsCouple24
I would suggest you get over your dislike for me and support the people of your City against forced moves like this in the way I support them and the way I support the unemployed of Stoke having a further burden of 500 more unemployed families dropped into thier search for vacancies.
i think you are now being somewhat paranoid mids. dislike for you? what because i do not agree with your constant banging on about london? i do not dislike you for that at all mids, what i do dislike is your lack of knowledge about what your personnel feelings are towards our capital city.
I have nothing against our capital City, I have things against the councils of that city ripping off it's more wealthy inhabitants and victimising it's less wealthy inhabitants as all my posts have proved, my objection to thier parking fees, my objection to thier conjestion fees, my objection to thier forced removal of poorer families who are on housing benefit.
The abosolute only thing I have a problem with regards our capital is why it it often considered the ONLY option for certain aspects of Britains amenities ie that the bulk of the Olympics MUST be built in London, other Countries realise that the best place to hold the Olympics is in the best location in thier Country, ie Australian Olympics - Sydney not the capital Melbourne, Brazil Olympics Rio not Brassilia, Spain chose Barcelona not Madrid, in fact very few Countries actually use thier Capital City. The building of the new National Football ground was the same, the offer of land, financing, rail links, air links and road links of the Birmingham/Coventry offer were totally rejected and the building delayed while funds were raised to build it in London again ignoring all the advantages that the other deal had to offer not least that the money was ready and waiting and planning permission had been given.
500 peeple dropped into stoke mids? have you any idea how many peeple have been dropped on london in the last two years mids? a few more than the measley few you are going on about.
No I do not have any idea how many people have been forced into London The local Stoke on Trent Radio Station have not reported on this and I cannot recieve London Local Stations here. please show me some evidence of this and show me which Councils forced them to move to London and why. Oh and it is not 500 people it is 500 families which under current estimates would be around 2000 people based on the average sized family.
i rather like you mids actually but i would ask for you to write in a better color than purple. :thumbup:
ah right so this is only a proposal? i thought it had happened, sorry mids. but as a side note this HAS happened.
it has nothing to do with " social cleansing " as some would have us believe, but the fact that london is actually full up to bursting.
and you think london is a great place mids?
it is full, there are no houses left, so the obvious thing to do is to move peeple where there is a shorter waiting list or properties available. i cannot see to much wrong with that to be honest. you can only fit so many beans into a tin, otherwise they all spill out over the top and make a rather nasty mess on the work top.
nobody is forced to go to london mids, but are possibly( and i use the word possibly in a liberal sense ) being forced to stoke on trent. well some peeple have to live there mids.
:rotflmao:
but as an aside mids, how would you like this to be happening in your city?
" Today’s research, is focused on London where the waiting list increased by 60% between 2002 and 2010 to 362,000. It shows that at least 11% of social housing lets in London were given to foreign nationals. In the boroughs of Ealing and Haringey half of all social housing lets went to foreign nationals ".
and your moaning about 500 peeple. my word mids i would have thought you would have wanted to spread things around a bit.
how selfish.
it has nothing to do with " social cleansing " as some would have us believe, but the fact that london is actually full up to bursting.
and you think london is a great place mids?
it is full, there are no houses left, so the obvious thing to do is to move peeple where there is a shorter waiting list or properties available. i cannot see to much wrong with that to be honest. you can only fit so many beans into a tin, otherwise they all spill out over the top and make a rather nasty mess on the work top.
nobody is forced to go to london mids, but are possibly( and i use the word possibly in a liberal sense ) being forced to stoke on trent. well some peeple have to live there mids.
:rotflmao:but as an aside mids, how would you like this to be happening in your city?
" Today’s research, is focused on London where the waiting list increased by 60% between 2002 and 2010 to 362,000. It shows that at least 11% of social housing lets in London were given to foreign nationals. In the boroughs of Ealing and Haringey half of all social housing lets went to foreign nationals ".
and your moaning about 500 peeple. my word mids i would have thought you would have wanted to spread things around a bit.
how selfish. 
Sex God
So if there are too few houses, is the other side of the coin that there are too many people ??
Or dare we go there ???
J & S
Or dare we go there ???
J & S
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So if there are too few houses, is the other side of the coin that there are too many people ??
well i would think that they go hand in hand
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Or dare we go there ???
J & S
why should we not go there? there are to many peeple wanting to come to london, or are in london and to few places to live. i shall refer you to my beans comment above.
there are other places that peeple may not want to go to. if a city or council have places to rent why should councils that have a huge waiting list, not at leest look at moving them from an over crowded city, to one that is not so over crowded. with 6 million plus let into the country in the last ten years as an estimate, where is everyone going to live
seems mr bliar and co did not think of that when they left the doors open. now we are only starting to pay the price in inner cities. this is the tip of a very big iceberg.
Sex God
One important factor seems to have been missed in all the ego pushing, chest puffing and media hype:
Newham Council in East London said it was writing to more than 1,000 housing associations around the country – including one in Stoke-on-Trent 160 miles away – to try to find accommodation for families applying under the new rules.
So nothing is set in stone. Nobody is being forced out of their home, in fact it's likely to be migrants attempting to settle as it applies only to new applicants. Only 1 out of more than 1000 housing associations is in stoke.
Oh, and let's not forget that the one housing association contacted in stoke, Brighter Futures Housing Association, has already said no because it doesn't have the capacity.
Sensationalism at it's finest!
Newham Council in East London said it was writing to more than 1,000 housing associations around the country – including one in Stoke-on-Trent 160 miles away – to try to find accommodation for families applying under the new rules.
So nothing is set in stone. Nobody is being forced out of their home, in fact it's likely to be migrants attempting to settle as it applies only to new applicants. Only 1 out of more than 1000 housing associations is in stoke.
Oh, and let's not forget that the one housing association contacted in stoke, Brighter Futures Housing Association, has already said no because it doesn't have the capacity.
Sensationalism at it's finest!
Sex God
Quote by Geordiecpl2001
So if there are too few houses, is the other side of the coin that there are too many people ??
Or dare we go there ???
J & S
oh walking on eggshells and broken glass i think i'll give this one a rain check
Not enough housing in London, why not, why haven't the councils there built more, they are our leaders, our capital, those to whom we look for inspiration and leadership, why have they used the land to build Olympic facilities instead. this is the place that decides immigration policy, surely they knew that a situation like this was arrising.
Why are we letting people migrate here to recieve housing benefits because they are not working ? an immigrant is someone who wants to come and live in this country, and we are saying yea ok you dont need to work of course we will give you money, dont worry about housing we will get you a house, not sure where yet but dont worry we will sort that out.
This is not Asylum Seeking this is immigration and we can say to applicants, thanks but no thanks you have nothing to offer in return. Here is the government freely admitting that British Subjects cannot be housed because they are allowing immigrants to take houses, can this be real ? Britain the laughing stock of the world and the giver of benefits to anyone who asks.
Are we to have 2 immigration policies now, one to let them in the country but another to refuse them immigration into London ?
Would that work, what is to stop an immigrant shipping out to Devon or Stoke then going back to London, getting a home and claiming housing benefit for it again, I mean if they really want to live in London how can we really stop them under current ruling ?
Why are we letting people migrate here to recieve housing benefits because they are not working ? an immigrant is someone who wants to come and live in this country, and we are saying yea ok you dont need to work of course we will give you money, dont worry about housing we will get you a house, not sure where yet but dont worry we will sort that out.
This is not Asylum Seeking this is immigration and we can say to applicants, thanks but no thanks you have nothing to offer in return. Here is the government freely admitting that British Subjects cannot be housed because they are allowing immigrants to take houses, can this be real ? Britain the laughing stock of the world and the giver of benefits to anyone who asks.
Are we to have 2 immigration policies now, one to let them in the country but another to refuse them immigration into London ?
Would that work, what is to stop an immigrant shipping out to Devon or Stoke then going back to London, getting a home and claiming housing benefit for it again, I mean if they really want to live in London how can we really stop them under current ruling ?
So most immigrants want to live in London, fair enough, London hasn't got the space so ship them around the country, fair enough, result ...... more immigrants can arrive in London.
Why should someone be allowed to migrate to the UK .....
Because they are qualified in a trade for which we have a shortage of locally trained applicants
Because they wish to invest in Britain
Because they have been offered a job and accommodation
Because they have an ability to steal and want to steal from British people
Because they think coming here and traffiking some women is a good way to earn money
Because they are experienced in making elicit Vodka and think it would be easier to make it in this country rather than try and import it without customs finding it
Because they dont want to work and we are the only people willing to pay them if they dont
Because they would like a nice house, cant afford one so want us to provide and pay for one for them
Because credit card fraud isnt as profitable in thier own country
So what are the actual rules for entry into this country, being from an EU country and having the right to work anywhere in the EU is a good thing but it should not give people the right to NOT work in any country and to claim the benefits that Country offers.
How to solve the problem, give them less benefits that France does and set up a camp near to the docks, call it sinkgatte or something like that and watch them leave in thier droves.
Why should someone be allowed to migrate to the UK .....
Because they are qualified in a trade for which we have a shortage of locally trained applicants
Because they wish to invest in Britain
Because they have been offered a job and accommodation
Because they have an ability to steal and want to steal from British people
Because they think coming here and traffiking some women is a good way to earn money
Because they are experienced in making elicit Vodka and think it would be easier to make it in this country rather than try and import it without customs finding it
Because they dont want to work and we are the only people willing to pay them if they dont
Because they would like a nice house, cant afford one so want us to provide and pay for one for them
Because credit card fraud isnt as profitable in thier own country
So what are the actual rules for entry into this country, being from an EU country and having the right to work anywhere in the EU is a good thing but it should not give people the right to NOT work in any country and to claim the benefits that Country offers.
How to solve the problem, give them less benefits that France does and set up a camp near to the docks, call it sinkgatte or something like that and watch them leave in thier droves.
Sex God
Or maybe they have come here to settle down with their other half who is British.
Ain't love grand
Ain't love grand
Sex God
Quote by Trevaunance
Or maybe they have come here to settle down with their other half who is British.
Ain't love grand
:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
sheer quality
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Or maybe they have come here to settle down with their other half who is British.
Ain't love grand
:laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove::laughabove:
sheer quality
That is ok if they can provide themselves with an occupation and accommodation if not then they are not needed and thier spouse can go and join them in thier country of residence
love blossoms everywhere not just in the UK Quote by MidsCouple24
love blossoms everywhere not just in the UK
yes but it seems they all want to come to the uk, even those who go to those " dodgy colleges ".
that said when they do come to the uk, they all seem to end up in london boroughs. no wonder councils want to ship them out. i wonder if my council would let me go to virginia water in surrey?
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
That is ok if they can provide themselves with an occupation and accommodation if not then they are not needed and thier spouse can go and join them in thier country of residence
And if they get sacked from their job after they have become a resident should they then return to their country of birth?
Sex God
its been going on for years between councils
one rather posh council re-housed a few problem families localy for what ever reasons :uhoh:
it only become a problem for our council when the local paper was tipped off
one rather posh council re-housed a few problem families localy for what ever reasons :uhoh:
it only become a problem for our council when the local paper was tipped off
Quote by MidsCouple24
A London Council have announced that the private landlords are charging so much for property rent that they can no longer afford to put people up in thier properties and have asked a Stoke on Trent Housing Authority to house 500 families to ease thier problem.
There is a waiting list for council houses in Stoke as there is in all areas, we do have many houses for rent by private landlords but many of them will not take on DSS clients so it would be down to the Private Housing Authorities to help out, but why should they, they are here to help needing cases in the area, what about the people looking for work in Stoke on Trent, do they want another 500 families being dumped here to make the job market more competative, what about the DSS payments to those families and the housing benefit paid by the council, why should Stoke have to foot that bill out of it's financial budget.
Why haven't the London Councils addressed the problem and built more houses.
I am sure other councils have been or will be approached by the London Council to help them and if they succeed in passing thier problems on other London Councils will see it as a solution to thier problems and start dumping thier unwanted around the rest of the Country.
What about the families, there must be a reason they are living where they are, no consideration seems to be being given to them about sending them 200 miles from where they want to be.
It is just wrong.
This has been going on for years, it's called Social Dumping. Residents, normally poorer more vulnerable members of society are dumped from expensive areas into invariably deprived,cheaper areas exacerbating the problems of that already deprived area. All this does is put more pressure on the local services and support services, causing animosity,anger and with the influx.
Sex God
It's how Leeds,Barnsley and Sheffield created Dewsbury
