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Quote by Staggerlee_BB

As an ordained minister of the above I am offended by your lack of slackness when it comes to matters of the soul......shame on you all.....may Bob be with you
I'm also a pastafarian but that's another thing altogether

Then may you be Touched by His Noodly Appendage
Quote by awayman
How many people will hold thier hands up and admit to not knowing what Easter is for, I don't, what is the celebration ? I know Christmas Day is to celebrate the birth of Christ, I know that lent is about sacrifice kinda going on strike in sympathy with the 40 days and 40 nights Jesus is said to have spent in the Desert Mountains, but what happened to make Easter special ? Why do some want to impose the closure of shops on Aethiests, Jews, Sikhs, Rastafarians, Hindus and others, would those same people be happy if all shops had to close on Jewish or Hindu religious days of celebration ?

I'd like to impose the closure of businesses every Sunday, not just this one.
I'd like to force Asda to close at least one day every week - if they want to open on Sunday, let them close another day.
I'd like to reduce the hours pubs are open every Sunday.
Why?
Because we've become slaves to the idea that businesses must have no limits put on them. We've become slaves to the idea that the world will end if we can't shop at 3 o'clock in the morning. We've become slaves to the idea that if I want to buy a barbecued chicken at seven pm, I should be able to. And in the process hourly paid workers have to give up their free time to help me make the most of mine, for a wage far less than I earn.
Sorry but that is the biggest load of rubbish I have seen on here....well today anyway. lol
People are being given the CHOICE to shop, when and how they like.
Blimey there are so many who just hate business of any sort, and especially big business. I just watched a programme about India, sounds like your kind of place. :lol:
Quote by kentswingers777
How many people will hold thier hands up and admit to not knowing what Easter is for, I don't, what is the celebration ? I know Christmas Day is to celebrate the birth of Christ, I know that lent is about sacrifice kinda going on strike in sympathy with the 40 days and 40 nights Jesus is said to have spent in the Desert Mountains, but what happened to make Easter special ? Why do some want to impose the closure of shops on Aethiests, Jews, Sikhs, Rastafarians, Hindus and others, would those same people be happy if all shops had to close on Jewish or Hindu religious days of celebration ?

I'd like to impose the closure of businesses every Sunday, not just this one.
I'd like to force Asda to close at least one day every week - if they want to open on Sunday, let them close another day.
I'd like to reduce the hours pubs are open every Sunday.
Why?
Because we've become slaves to the idea that businesses must have no limits put on them. We've become slaves to the idea that the world will end if we can't shop at 3 o'clock in the morning. We've become slaves to the idea that if I want to buy a barbecued chicken at seven pm, I should be able to. And in the process hourly paid workers have to give up their free time to help me make the most of mine, for a wage far less than I earn.
Sorry but that is the biggest load of rubbish I have seen on here....well today anyway. lol
People are being given the CHOICE to shop, when and how they like.
Blimey there are so many who just hate business of any sort, and especially big business. I just watched a programme about India, sounds like your kind of place. :lol:
Long experience has taught me both sides of the farce of choice. Anyone can choose to eat at the Ritz, but if they have no money they have no real choice. Shops cannot open without staff, and many of those staff have less choice than I would like them to have as to whether they work at times when the rest of us are enjoying quality time.
India my kind of place? Hardly. But you need to remember I have a choice as to whether I want people like you to be allowed to turn my country into the kind of place you think would be best.
I wonder who long it will be before you will find shops opening on Good Friday and Easter Sunday due to the fact it might affend some other religion by having the shops closed. Alot of schools dont have christmas concerts, towns dont put up christmas decorations etc because it affends some other religion.
Quote by flower411
Seems to me that the same people arguing for "freedom of choice" are the same people who spout on about this being a Christian country with Christian values !!
Can`t have it both ways lol

Seems it could quite be me you are quoting, who cares but....People have freedoms of choice and workers also have that same freedom of choice.
Seems we are here talking about the rights of shop staff who I presume are represented by one Union or another? People choose to work on a Sunday without any pressures from employers. Many staff prefer a day off in the week, but to work on a Sunday.
This may well be a Christian country, but Christian values are being eroded as we speak.
Check out tonights BBC programme with Nicky Campbell. If ya missed it then watch it again on BBC I Player....it holds the key.
When a person applys for a job they are told they could be expected to work on weekends or Bank Holidays. If they are against that then their CHOICE is not to accept that job, but in fact to find one that is better suited to their social habits.
There's choice for them.
Quote by kentswingers777
Seems to me that the same people arguing for "freedom of choice" are the same people who spout on about this being a Christian country with Christian values !!
Can`t have it both ways lol

Seems it could quite be me you are quoting, who cares but....People have freedoms of choice and workers also have that same freedom of choice.
Seems we are here talking about the rights of shop staff who I presume are represented by one Union or another? People choose to work on a Sunday without any pressures from employers. Many staff prefer a day off in the week, but to work on a Sunday.
This may well be a Christian country, but Christian values are being eroded as we speak.
Check out tonights BBC programme with Nicky Campbell. If ya missed it then watch it again on BBC I Player....it holds the key.
When a person applys for a job they are told they could be expected to work on weekends or Bank Holidays. If they are against that then their CHOICE is not to accept that job, but in fact to find one that is better suited to their social habits.
There's choice for them.
The majority of shop staff are un-unionized.
The rest of your post condemns you far more eloquently than I could.
Seems they are just your little opinions Away. Maybe you should actually ask the people who DO work on Sundays eh?
I know of seven people who work Bank holidays and like my Sister who had to work both Easter Sunday and Monday. All of them have no problem at all with working Sundays or Bank Holidays. Seven out of seven have no problem at all, so makes me wonder who is actually sticking up for who on this thread.
She thinks it is just part of what she does in her line of work as a carer. Obviously carers and the Police etc, come under a different set of guidelines to shop workers.
As for shop workers not belonging to a Union, do not know how you would know that?
I said it before and I say it again, why should shop assistants be treated differently to other Sunday workers, the gas men, RAC, Bar staff, Emergency Services, Chemists, Hospital staff, bus drivers, taxi drivers, Lorry drivers, airport staff, dockers, customs and excise and so many more people who need to work on Sundays, should shops have to close on Mondays too so that the fresh foods they need can be delivered on Mondays ready for Tuesday opening negating the need for them to be delivered on Sundays.
I really miss working today!
Your such a likkle fibber Phuckers. lol
Quote by Kaznkev
How many people will hold thier hands up and admit to not knowing what Easter is for, I don't, what is the celebration ? I know Christmas Day is to celebrate the birth of Christ, I know that lent is about sacrifice kinda going on strike in sympathy with the 40 days and 40 nights Jesus is said to have spent in the Desert Mountains, but what happened to make Easter special ? Why do some want to impose the closure of shops on Aethiests, Jews, Sikhs, Rastafarians, Hindus and others, would those same people be happy if all shops had to close on Jewish or Hindu religious days of celebration ?

I'd like to impose the closure of businesses every Sunday, not just this one.
I'd like to force Asda to close at least one day every week - if they want to open on Sunday, let them close another day.
I'd like to reduce the hours pubs are open every Sunday.
Why?
Because we've become slaves to the idea that businesses must have no limits put on them. We've become slaves to the idea that the world will end if we can't shop at 3 o'clock in the morning. We've become slaves to the idea that if I want to buy a barbecued chicken at seven pm, I should be able to. And in the process hourly paid workers have to give up their free time to help me make the most of mine, for a wage far less than I earn.
Sorry but that is the biggest load of rubbish I have seen on here....well today anyway. lol
People are being given the CHOICE to shop, when and how they like.
Blimey there are so many who just hate business of any sort, and especially big business. I just watched a programme about India, sounds like your kind of place. :lol:
Long experience has taught me both sides of the farce of choice. Anyone can choose to eat at the Ritz, but if they have no money they have no real choice. Shops cannot open without staff, and many of those staff have less choice than I would like them to have as to whether they work at times when the rest of us are enjoying quality time.
India my kind of place? Hardly. But you need to remember I have a choice as to whether I want people like you to be allowed to turn my country into the kind of place you think would be best.
Choice has been used as a stick to beat the working classes for generations, usually coupled with the idea of the deserving poor.
if you need to work to eat,to keep a roof over your head you are vulnerable to exploitation, a just society would recognise this and protect those for whom economics removes choice.
the India reference is obviously y too deep for me,as that is an underegulated country where you can see in some cases where the unfettered pursuit of the profit motive leads
What a silly comment.
As a business man IF one of my staff do not like the working conditions I provide, they do have a choice............they can fuckoff out of the door. I would pay them what is owing and open the door for them.
We certainly treat our staff well hence why not one has left in over 12 years of trading.
Why do you seem to hate employers so much? There are a few on here that have the same attitudes towards business and employers.
You seem to have a grudge to bare against employers? Maybe I am wrong but it is not the first time you have said something similar.
Not all employers are tossers who exploit their workers, most are looking to make a few bob that is true, but without employers nobody would have any work. We all know where that would lead..........benefits.
Maybe staff should be thankful they have work, which provides money, which in turn provides many other things. Employess DO have a choice........the choice to work or not and if they do not like their job then instead of moaning about it, do something about it!!
I am grateful that the people who work at my firm do not have the attitudes that some do, In fact I do find that comment as an employer rather offensive.
Quote by kentswingers777
How many people will hold thier hands up and admit to not knowing what Easter is for, I don't, what is the celebration ? I know Christmas Day is to celebrate the birth of Christ, I know that lent is about sacrifice kinda going on strike in sympathy with the 40 days and 40 nights Jesus is said to have spent in the Desert Mountains, but what happened to make Easter special ? Why do some want to impose the closure of shops on Aethiests, Jews, Sikhs, Rastafarians, Hindus and others, would those same people be happy if all shops had to close on Jewish or Hindu religious days of celebration ?

I'd like to impose the closure of businesses every Sunday, not just this one.
I'd like to force Asda to close at least one day every week - if they want to open on Sunday, let them close another day.
I'd like to reduce the hours pubs are open every Sunday.
Why?
Because we've become slaves to the idea that businesses must have no limits put on them. We've become slaves to the idea that the world will end if we can't shop at 3 o'clock in the morning. We've become slaves to the idea that if I want to buy a barbecued chicken at seven pm, I should be able to. And in the process hourly paid workers have to give up their free time to help me make the most of mine, for a wage far less than I earn.
Sorry but that is the biggest load of rubbish I have seen on here....well today anyway. lol
People are being given the CHOICE to shop, when and how they like.
Blimey there are so many who just hate business of any sort, and especially big business. I just watched a programme about India, sounds like your kind of place. :lol:
Long experience has taught me both sides of the farce of choice. Anyone can choose to eat at the Ritz, but if they have no money they have no real choice. Shops cannot open without staff, and many of those staff have less choice than I would like them to have as to whether they work at times when the rest of us are enjoying quality time.
India my kind of place? Hardly. But you need to remember I have a choice as to whether I want people like you to be allowed to turn my country into the kind of place you think would be best.
Choice has been used as a stick to beat the working classes for generations, usually coupled with the idea of the deserving poor.
if you need to work to eat,to keep a roof over your head you are vulnerable to exploitation, a just society would recognise this and protect those for whom economics removes choice.
the India reference is obviously y too deep for me,as that is an underegulated country where you can see in some cases where the unfettered pursuit of the profit motive leads
What a silly comment.
As a business man IF one of my staff do not like the working conditions I provide, they do have a choice............they can fuckoff out of the door. I would pay them what is owing and open the door for them.
We certainly treat our staff well hence why not one has left in over 12 years of trading.
Why do you seem to hate employers so much? There are a few on here that have the same attitudes towards business and employers.
You seem to have a grudge to bare against employers? Maybe I am wrong but it is not the first time you have said something similar.
Not all employers are tossers who exploit their workers, most are looking to make a few bob that is true, but without employers nobody would have any work. We all know where that would lead..........benefits.
Maybe staff should be thankful they have work, which provides money, which in turn provides many other things. Employess DO have a choice........the choice to work or not and if they do not like their job then instead of moaning about it, do something about it!!
I am grateful that the people who work at my firm do not have the attitudes that some do, In fact I do find that comment as an employer rather offensive.
All employers exploit workers. They have to. It's part of being an employer. Or, as my old mates the Levellers put it (the seventeenth century ones, not the dog on a string crusty fiddly diddly band I quite like) 'All their wealth is by our sweat'. Or to put it another way, have a look at the labour theory of value.
Of course, under capitalism, the group that often feels most oppressed are the small employers who often do some work themselves as well as being the employer. Marx used the phrase petit bourgeoisie to distinguish these small scale employers from their full time equivalents. And,as the twentieth century shows, the petit bourgeoisie are the core support for extremist political groups like the NAzi Party, because of their perception that they are more oppressed than anyone else.
Quote by Kaznkev
kenty where did i say that all employers are bad or exploitative?i am a supporter of the fair trade and co operative movements.i firmly believe in trade not aid and have been raving to all about this company since last week

my point was that to argue that anyone is free to work or not to work,and that therefore no one is forced to work hours they do not wish too is to ignore the economic realities of life for many.
Over the last century protection was given to people,in legislation on hours,saftey and so tho the "right" to shop seems to be the only thing that we a better or happier country for spending our leisure time as consumers?Or do we loose sight of things more valuable than a new barbecue or pair of shoes?
instead of assuming i hate employers,consider that i might know many people who are employers(its not all tin baths and whippets up here you know),who do not believe in the current 24/7 culture either.

" Choice has been used as a stick to beat the working classes for generations, usually coupled with the idea of the deserving poor ".
If you was not including every employer in that statement, then you should be more specific.
I made the assumption of you disliking employers mainly on the basis of some of your past comments.
You obviously do not like the idea of employees working every day including Sundays, but then you are not an employer. To shop is not all that matters to many, but the choice of shopping when the consumer wants takes precedence over many other things....and rightly so.
Are you really saying it is not all " tin baths and whippets "? I thought up t North it was all Corrie and mushy peas and kiss me quick hats?
Bottom line here is very simples.....IF an employee does not like the working conditions their employer offers them, then find something that does and stop fecking moaning about it.
There are employment laws now which protect staff in many levels of employment, I do not see any laws being broken by having to work weekends...........Can't stand the heat springs to mind. But as I have already stated I know of not one employee who does not want to work on a Sunday, so why the usual suspects want to stick up for them when in fact they do not need anyone sticking up for them, baffles me greatly.
I do not and never have wanted to work on a Sunday,but if I'm offered overtime I will and do....because I can't afford not to...I'd suggest that most other people who work Sundays (unless contracted to do so) are in a similar situation
i quiet like and am grateful for sunday opening means i don`t have to have time off to do anything out side of the normal
bluewater: wedding gifts suits holidays and so on all out side of my working hours big thanks guys
employing the older generation at B&Q is a master stroke of genius they all love the fact their working again
some have great level of experience like the old guy in plumbing at our local one
this guy saved me a fortune with some of his little tricks prob cost the local plumber a nice little earner or two though
he for one is happy to be employed at his age likes to work on sundays
and gets out of an otherwise pointless day at home on his own i asked him today wink
in fact its more helpful on a sunday with the oldies than having some attitude grunt at you during the week lol
i might ask him if browns dip into his pension has forced his employment or he just wants to work
Quote by Staggerlee_BB
I do not and never have wanted to work on a Sunday,but if I'm offered overtime I will and do....because I can't afford not to...I'd suggest that most other people who work Sundays (unless contracted to do so) are in a similar situation

Ah so you will work on a Sunday for extra bunce as it suits you, but won't do it for your employer? Or have I got that wrong?
I bet you would make a great shop steward.
Quote by kentswingers777
I do not and never have wanted to work on a Sunday,but if I'm offered overtime I will and do....because I can't afford not to...I'd suggest that most other people who work Sundays (unless contracted to do so) are in a similar situation

Ah so you will work on a Sunday for extra bunce as it suits you, but won't do it for your employer? Or have I got that wrong?
I bet you would make a great shop steward.
Is that some kind of bad thing in your world Kenty?
Quote by kentswingers777
I do not and never have wanted to work on a Sunday,but if I'm offered overtime I will and do....because I can't afford not to...I'd suggest that most other people who work Sundays (unless contracted to do so) are in a similar situation

Ah so you will work on a Sunday for extra bunce as it suits you, but won't do it for your employer? Or have I got that wrong?
I bet you would make a great shop steward.
I don't know why you work kenty but I work for money.....and yes I probably would
P.S. I'm only offered overtime when it suits my employer ...I can't just choose to work on a Sunday
Quote by awayman
I do not and never have wanted to work on a Sunday,but if I'm offered overtime I will and do....because I can't afford not to...I'd suggest that most other people who work Sundays (unless contracted to do so) are in a similar situation

Ah so you will work on a Sunday for extra bunce as it suits you, but won't do it for your employer? Or have I got that wrong?
I bet you would make a great shop steward.
Is that some kind of bad thing in your world Kenty?
Yep.
As I have never joined a union, and have turned down jobs in the past where you HAD to join to get the job. I cannot stand unions.
BA staff at the moment who are striking, are working for a company that is losing millions of pounds, yet their union will not recognise that fact when calling them out on strike.
I would like to see BA just say bollocks to this crap, the company is going under and you can all piss off down to the job centre. But the union big wig tossers will still have their plush jobs earning a damn site more than most of the people they represent.
Bob Crow would be better off being run over by one of his trains, what a typical evil little Hitler, that I thought we had seen the last of in the heady days of strike after strike in the 70's.
I bet there are many and probably some on here that would love to go back to those days of holding not only the employer to ransom, but the general public....just as they are now.
Power to the unions eh?
Shame Thatcher was not about as she smashed the unions and that madman Scargill, and she would do the same today. Thank God her policies stopped the union madness that we had back then. At least now members have to vote to strike unlike in the bad old days, where some militant tosser shop steward would just yell..............EVERYBODY OUT !!
Seems we could well be heading back to those times......ya have been warned.
And history shows us that "that madman Scargill" was right in almost if not all he said that Thatcher would do to British industry
Still voted consistently Britain.s second greatest PM.........so there. lol
Quote by Kaznkev
I do not and never have wanted to work on a Sunday,but if I'm offered overtime I will and do....because I can't afford not to...I'd suggest that most other people who work Sundays (unless contracted to do so) are in a similar situation

Ah so you will work on a Sunday for extra bunce as it suits you, but won't do it for your employer? Or have I got that wrong?
I bet you would make a great shop steward.
Is that some kind of bad thing in your world Kenty?
of course it is Away,he believes a good boss is someone who has the right to tell employees to fuck off if they dont like their working conditions
It is called choices for the reasons I have explained above, and of which you chose to ignore.
Your whole attitude leads me to believe you despise business and in particular employers. Still am not bothered really what you say...I am an employer and you are not so would not expect for a second for you to understand the difference.
Quote by kentswingers777
Still voted consistently Britain.s second greatest PM.........so there. lol

Tony Blair was elected 3 times democracy has it's flaws
Yeah that is very true Staggs.
Quote by kentswingers777
I do not and never have wanted to work on a Sunday,but if I'm offered overtime I will and do....because I can't afford not to...I'd suggest that most other people who work Sundays (unless contracted to do so) are in a similar situation

Ah so you will work on a Sunday for extra bunce as it suits you, but won't do it for your employer? Or have I got that wrong?
I bet you would make a great shop steward.
Is that some kind of bad thing in your world Kenty?
of course it is Away,he believes a good boss is someone who has the right to tell employees to fuck off if they dont like their working conditions
It is called choices for the reasons I have explained above, and of which you chose to ignore.
Your whole attitude leads me to believe you despise business and in particular employers. Still am not bothered really what you say...I am an employer and you are not so would not expect for a second for you to understand the difference.
Ah, choices. So you must have the choices you want, but the choice to despise bad employers and hate the prophets of false choices, the lie that says you can choose to work and where you work (as enabled by that thing of joy, the restart interview), must be deprecated.
I don't get it Kenty. You're persuading no-one. You rant and froth on here like the Mayor of Mugsborough, as if it matters that you offend and piss off people. Stand for parliament. Stand for the local council. But why do it here? The nly thing that's supposed to raise people's blood pressure here is the prospect of good sex, not bad political arguments recycled from the Littlejohn column.
Quote by awayman
I do not and never have wanted to work on a Sunday,but if I'm offered overtime I will and do....because I can't afford not to...I'd suggest that most other people who work Sundays (unless contracted to do so) are in a similar situation

Ah so you will work on a Sunday for extra bunce as it suits you, but won't do it for your employer? Or have I got that wrong?
I bet you would make a great shop steward.
Is that some kind of bad thing in your world Kenty?
of course it is Away,he believes a good boss is someone who has the right to tell employees to fuck off if they dont like their working conditions
It is called choices for the reasons I have explained above, and of which you chose to ignore.
Your whole attitude leads me to believe you despise business and in particular employers. Still am not bothered really what you say...I am an employer and you are not so would not expect for a second for you to understand the difference.
Ah, choices. So you must have the choices you want, but the choice to despise bad employers and hate the prophets of false choices, the lie that says you can choose to work and where you work (as enabled by that thing of joy, the restart interview), must be deprecated.
I don't get it Kenty. You're persuading no-one. You rant and froth on here like the Mayor of Mugsborough, as if it matters that you offend and piss off people. Stand for parliament. Stand for the local council. But why do it here? The nly thing that's supposed to raise people's blood pressure here is the prospect of good sex, not bad political arguments recycled from the Littlejohn column.
Then may I suggest Sir that you do not partake in any of it?
But you have too have your say which is your entitlement, as it is mine.
It seems you want to be able to have your say, but do not like others to have the same options.
You do not like what I write then may I respectfully say.........keep out!
Happy Easter from a good employer. lol
Quote by kentswingers777
I do not and never have wanted to work on a Sunday,but if I'm offered overtime I will and do....because I can't afford not to...I'd suggest that most other people who work Sundays (unless contracted to do so) are in a similar situation

Ah so you will work on a Sunday for extra bunce as it suits you, but won't do it for your employer? Or have I got that wrong?
I bet you would make a great shop steward.
Is that some kind of bad thing in your world Kenty?
of course it is Away,he believes a good boss is someone who has the right to tell employees to fuck off if they dont like their working conditions
It is called choices for the reasons I have explained above, and of which you chose to ignore.
Your whole attitude leads me to believe you despise business and in particular employers. Still am not bothered really what you say...I am an employer and you are not so would not expect for a second for you to understand the difference.
Ah, choices. So you must have the choices you want, but the choice to despise bad employers and hate the prophets of false choices, the lie that says you can choose to work and where you work (as enabled by that thing of joy, the restart interview), must be deprecated.
I don't get it Kenty. You're persuading no-one. You rant and froth on here like the Mayor of Mugsborough, as if it matters that you offend and piss off people. Stand for parliament. Stand for the local council. But why do it here? The nly thing that's supposed to raise people's blood pressure here is the prospect of good sex, not bad political arguments recycled from the Littlejohn column.
Then may I suggest Sir that you do not partake in any of it?
But you have too have your say which is your entitlement, as it is mine.
It seems you want to be able to have your say, but do not like others to have the same options.
You do not like what I write then may I respectfully say.........keep out!
Happy Easter from a good employer. lol
Catch yourself on Kenty...
I'll argue with you all day - it's like lobbing dynamite in a fish pond....
Why would I possibly want to argue with someone who is wrong as often as you are? lol
I never can get my head around people who put themselves down for discussion by writing something as you do, then moan like a badger with a sore arse about what I write....being all nonsense apparently.:shock:
For someone who seems to moan about what is written in the forums, you certainly could have fooled me.:grin:
Quote by Mr-Powers
Some have commented on why shopworkers should have to work on Sundays, why not, bus drivers do, nurses, newsagents, bar staff, railway staff, airport workers, gas repair men, taxi drivers, the AA, thousands of people, how can you stock up on your Sunday paper ?
Many people like to go out for Sunday lunch or to attractions, the cinema, Alton Towers, fat chance if we say that nobody should have to work on a Sunday. Ok some people are lucky and don't have to work on Sundays, lucky them but thanks to all those who do turn up for work on Sundays and are there when I need them.

No just one particular Sunday, Easter Sunday...thats just one Sunday of the year when the country won't collapse if the shops are shut, after that it can be buisiness as usual.
But to a non religious person, what is the difference between Easter Sunday and and other Sunday? Is it not just another Sunday? Or am I missing some thing....Hang on dont answer that.