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Just to start a discussion - please, please don't turn it into a slanging match.
What does equality look like to you?
For me - in a more or less ideal world:
Equality is not about treating everyone the same. It is about treating everyone appropriately.
It is about ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to support themselves and their families and then the opportunity to work towards their dreams. It is about giving those that need it a single hand-up to independence or a life-time of support - or something in between, whichever is needed.
Any thoughts?
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Just to start a discussion - please, please don't turn it into a slanging match.
What does equality look like to you?
For me - in a more or less ideal world:
Equality is not about treating everyone the same. It is about treating everyone appropriately.
It is about ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to support themselves and their families and then the opportunity to work towards their dreams. It is about giving those that need it a single hand-up to independence or a life-time of support - or something in between, whichever is needed.
Any thoughts?

The highlighted bit Foxy I do not agree with. For me equality is giving everyone the same opportunities in life. I am unsure as to what you mean by the word ' appropriately '.
Unfortunately equality will never happen I believe as there will always be people who differentiate between men and women, and age etc. I believe wholeheartedly in equality between the sexes. There is certainly not enough women in high powered positions and certainly not enough women MP's. There are also jobs that pay less for women even though the job is the same.
Equality is a socialist pipedream and a utopian place that can never reached as long as the population of this planet has such a diverse set of ideals. No two countries are alike and millions are crippled with absolute poverty whilst others think they are poor and throw away half of what they can eat away. Politics, religion and entrenched culture differences mean that there will never be equality in our lifetime.
The closest thing to equality is fairness and to achieve that you can only judge people by their standards and not your own.
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Just to start a discussion - please, please don't turn it into a slanging match.
What does equality look like to you?
For me - in a more or less ideal world:
Equality is not about treating everyone the same. It is about treating everyone appropriately.
It is about ensuring that everyone has the opportunity to support themselves and their families and then the opportunity to work towards their dreams. It is about giving those that need it a single hand-up to independence or a life-time of support - or something in between, whichever is needed.
Any thoughts?

For me, Yes the world might be a little more ideal if that were the way we were, shame we never learnt from the insects we study, like ants smile
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For me equality is giving everyone the same opportunities in life.

starting at what point ?
Utopia is always a dream and never attainable, but nice to think about or aim for, sadly each persons utopia is almost certainly different.
Ignoring the whole world, just our country, would be a start and, though equality in what ?
In law, or education, in opportunities, in benefits, in pay, in pensions to name a few .....as some one will always find something where in-equalities exist be they actual, gross or perceived.
Not sure about "appropriately" either, though treating people you encounter fairly and equally where ever possible is something we try, sometimes with success and others less so, is always a nice starting point.
for me...equality is simple...it means every one has equal opportunities in life.....be they black or white..be they male or female...be they straight or gay...be they rich or poor... and no matter what religion they have.
Maybe utopia...but doesn't mean we can't strive towards it.

above was my fav part of red nose day.....and please listen to the words closely !!!
Is there such a thing as equality. Dont think so, maybe between classes and peer groups perhaps but in life .. no such thing.
for me equality is a fairy tale like the bible .. a dream for left wing socialist who arent doing as well in life as they hoped .. so spout nonsense to make them feel good about it.
Why would any rich person strive towards being equal with the underclasses .. that in a nutshell is why it doesnt exist .. the rich will always be rich and the rest wont .. unequality more like lol
J
Not everyone who is rich is as selfish as that.
Of course being "rich" has different meanings for different people.
Just to clarify - a few examples of inappropriate but equal.
Free school meals for all children - not necessary (and therefore a waste of our resources) for many as their families can afford to pay for lunch.
Providing sanitary towels in men's toilets - or alternatively refusing to supply them in the ladies cos men don't need them. (Ok silly example but you get the point.)
Not providing signers in schools, workplace learning or in the courts. If you are deaf your access to learning or a fair trial is compromised or removed entirely if a signer cannot be found. Very few deaf people could afford their own so one has to be provided.
Another word for appropriate has already been used - fairness.
I am fully aware that full equality (like so many deals) is not possible or expected. Is that a reason not to strive towards it?
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I am fully aware that full equality (like so many deals) is not possible or expected. Is that a reason not to strive towards it?

Of course it is not but as far as I was aware, we have been striving towards equality since the Equal Franchise Act 1928 which gave all women over the age of 21 were given the same voting rights as men. Since that day we have been striving towards equality and it has come a damn long way since those days.
Is there a personnel motive for this thread Foxy?
I am all for equality between the sexes where possible, and that women get the same opportunities as men but equality can never be achieved between the sexes in everything. A woman in general can never achieve equality in sport as an example. Most sports men are more powerful and faster like say football so a woman in general could never be an equal to a man.
If you pitched the mens US open champion against the woman's champion over 5 sets, the woman equivalent would not have a chance, so equality in some things simply cannot happen.
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which will inevitably mean that we treat people in different and unequal ways.

If not only because we are different and unequal :thumbup:
So all that for the conclusion that we knew already...........Men are by far the better sex. lol
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So all that for the conclusion that we knew already...........Men are by far the better sex. lol

And women by far the fairer...
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So all that for the conclusion that we knew already...........Men are by far the better sex. lol

And women by far the fairer...
Depends which one you choose wink
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Is there a personnel motive for this thread Foxy?

Of course there is. Every single thread is posted for a personal motive by the OP. My motive was to open discussion on what people see as equality - as stated in the original posting. Odd question.
My point was, and remains, that treating people exactly the same doesn't work because we are different. Treating people differently but 'appropriately to their needs' gives everyone equal access to opportunities.
I'm fine with people having differing view on what defines equality. It certainly makes for an interesting discussion.
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Is there a personnel motive for this thread Foxy?

Of course there is. Every single thread is posted for a personal motive by the OP. My motive was to open discussion on what people see as equality - as stated in the original posting. Odd question.
My point was, and remains, that treating people exactly the same doesn't work because we are different. Treating people differently but 'appropriately to their needs' gives everyone equal access to opportunities.
I'm fine with people having differing view on what defines equality. It certainly makes for an interesting discussion.
That is the object of the exercise.:thumbup:
Equality is all about giving people a fair chance and to be treated fairly. It isn't about treating everyone the same as that would be absurd, but equality is all about recognising a persons needs and ensuring those needs are met albeit in different ways.
Equality is about offering the same opportunities to everyone, regardless of any differences. However, that doesn't mean we are all equal.
Equality does not, and never will, exist.
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Equality is about offering the same opportunities to everyone, regardless of any differences. However, that doesn't mean we are all equal.
Equality does not, and never will, exist.

Well said Freckle.