The recent events om serious flooding in the UK (and elsewhere I guess) have left most people to belive it may be the cause of 'climate change' or however you might like to describe it.
The Daily Mail article is a fascinating alternative view.
I can quite see the sense in what is being written. Setting aside the political intonations, is it just possible that this is why the sudden change in serious flooding has taken place? I mean, we've always had significant rain.. haven't we?
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He is a hard working MP and only thinking of the people he represents, so it must be true 
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But as to the OPs post, I doubt it is the total reason for an increase of flooding but I do not doubt it is a factor all the same.
Many natural disasters are like man made disasters, ie a result of a number of contributing factors,
Global warming
Inadequate spend on flood defences
Climate change
The earths inability to cope with water removal due to the depletion of our forests
and probably a few other factors we haven't heard about yet.
Many natural disasters are like man made disasters, ie a result of a number of contributing factors,
Global warming
Inadequate spend on flood defences
Climate change
The earths inability to cope with water removal due to the depletion of our forests
and probably a few other factors we haven't heard about yet.
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The recent events om serious flooding in the UK (and elsewhere I guess) have left most people to belive it may be the cause of 'climate change' or however you might like to describe it.
The Daily Mail article is a fascinating alternative view.
I can quite see the sense in what is being written. Setting aside the political intonations, is it just possible that this is why the sudden change in serious flooding has taken place? I mean, we've always had significant rain.. haven't we?
Fascinating? For who? Utter drizzle morelike.
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i thought the reasons for the flooding were fairly obvious. The news channels keep telling us that over half the population has become obese, fact of the matter is that we are sinking under the extra weight.
I'm so sorry, is there any way to offset my carb footprint?
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i thought the reasons for the flooding were fairly obvious. The news channels keep telling us that over half the population has become obese, fact of the matter is that we are sinking under the extra weight.
I'm so sorry, is there any way to offset my carb footprint?
:lol: Sponsor a water pump?
So wettest month on record, tidal waves on their way, rain, rain, rain, the army called in to assist, river dredging finally being considered.
Too little, too late ?
Will the new measures work ?
It has been a long time since I suggested two schemes that would have assisted the problem before it became a problem.
Firstly the building of new reservoirs that could have stored the water long before it hid the flood plains and made sure that we wouldn't need hosepipe bans in the summer.
The formation of a civil emergency service that could assist in all major incidents such as water pumping, sandbagging, emergency evacuation, evacuee shelters, dredging etc.
My idea was similar to that of National Service, in fact it was to bring in National Service but not as a military force just as a organisation run on a military theme by way of organisation but trained in none combatant abilities such as using Green Goddess fire engines to pump water, or even the red engines being sold or scrapped at the end of their service, trained in first aid, sandbagging, evacuee camp construction and assistance, operating emergency lighting etc.
Too little, too late ?
Will the new measures work ?
It has been a long time since I suggested two schemes that would have assisted the problem before it became a problem.
Firstly the building of new reservoirs that could have stored the water long before it hid the flood plains and made sure that we wouldn't need hosepipe bans in the summer.
The formation of a civil emergency service that could assist in all major incidents such as water pumping, sandbagging, emergency evacuation, evacuee shelters, dredging etc.
My idea was similar to that of National Service, in fact it was to bring in National Service but not as a military force just as a organisation run on a military theme by way of organisation but trained in none combatant abilities such as using Green Goddess fire engines to pump water, or even the red engines being sold or scrapped at the end of their service, trained in first aid, sandbagging, evacuee camp construction and assistance, operating emergency lighting etc.
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I would imagine there could be many reasons for flooding, changing weather patterns for one, global warming, which of coarse has been on going for over 11 million years since the last ice age and has nothing what so ever to do with man.
But in my view one of the largest causes is urbanisation, the more tarmac, concrete, paving slabs we put down the worse it will become
Off coarse it does not help building on flood plains as well
But in my view one of the largest causes is urbanisation, the more tarmac, concrete, paving slabs we put down the worse it will become
Off coarse it does not help building on flood plains as well
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The recent events om serious flooding in the UK (and elsewhere I guess) have left most people to belive it may be the cause of 'climate change' or however you might like to describe it.
Is there any current climate change at all, where is the evidence for this?
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Is there any current climate change at all, where is the evidence for this?
Climate change is measured over millenia, not decades.
There isn't any argument that climate change is happening, the argument is based on whether that the human populace is contributing to it. Note how I said contributing not causing.
Its only the likes of the media and others trying to get their 15 minutes of fame that refer to "us" causing it. Climatologists state contributing to. But hey-ho anything for a sensationalist headline!
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Is there any current climate change at all, where is the evidence for this?
Climate change is measured over millenia, not decades.
There isn't any argument that climate change is happening, the argument is based on whether that the human populace is contributing to it. Note how I said contributing not causing.
Its only the likes of the media and others trying to get their 15 minutes of fame that refer to "us" causing it. Climatologists state contributing to. But hey-ho anything for a sensationalist headline!
I agree, climate change is measured of long periods of time as I said above
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which of coarse has been on going for over 11 million years since the last ice age
I think that it is important to point out we have not warmed in several years as the Media would like to portray otherwise to us. Of coarse it is not just the Media, successive governments like to play on this one also as they would like to use this as a vehicle to tax us with. Further to that many climatologists find there funding through these very governments. They dont all agree as some would tell us
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Last ice age was 40,000 years ago.
I was quoting numbers I read most often, can say I am an expert in this area
During the last 2.6 million years or so in the Quaternary period, ice ages, also called glacial ages, were times of extreme cooling of the Earth's climate where ice sheets and other types of glacier expanded to cover large areas of land. Between ice ages there were warmer interglacial periods and we are now living during such a time.
There have been many ice ages during the last 2.6 million years but when people talk about the Ice Age, they are often referring to the most recent glacial period, which peaked about 21,000 years ago and ended about 11,500 years ago.
What causes ice ages is not completely understood. The composition of the atmosphere, changes in the position of our planet around the Sun, and changes in ocean currents are some of the important factors that control the climate.
The world's most recent glacial period began about 110,000 years ago and ended around 12,500 years ago. The maximum extent of this glacial period was the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) and it occurred around 20,000 years ago.
The Pleistocene Epoch is typically defined as the time period that began about 1.8 million years ago and lasted until about 11,700 years ago. The most recent Ice Age occurred then, as glaciers covered huge parts of the planet Earth.
It is not just our Government that has failed to prepare for flooding.
The Romans are just as guilty and someone should do something about the supposedly great Emperors who have failed to prepare ...........
Italy says it will unblock 2m euros ( ) in emergency funding to save the ancient city of Pompeii, after flooding caused walls to collapse.
You would have thought that a few thousand years was ample time to prepare, luckily though only some old walls and buildings were damaged and nothing new
The Romans are just as guilty and someone should do something about the supposedly great Emperors who have failed to prepare ...........
Italy says it will unblock 2m euros ( ) in emergency funding to save the ancient city of Pompeii, after flooding caused walls to collapse.
You would have thought that a few thousand years was ample time to prepare, luckily though only some old walls and buildings were damaged and nothing new
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Last ice age was 40,000 years ago.
I was quoting numbers I read most often, can say I am an expert in this area
During the last 2.6 million years or so in the Quaternary period, ice ages, also called glacial ages, were times of extreme cooling of the Earth's climate where ice sheets and other types of glacier expanded to cover large areas of land. Between ice ages there were warmer interglacial periods and we are now living during such a time.
There have been many ice ages during the last 2.6 million years but when people talk about the Ice Age, they are often referring to the most recent glacial period, which peaked about 21,000 years ago and ended about 11,500 years ago.
What causes ice ages is not completely understood. The composition of the atmosphere, changes in the position of our planet around the Sun, and changes in ocean currents are some of the important factors that control the climate.
The world's most recent glacial period began about 110,000 years ago and ended around 12,500 years ago. The maximum extent of this glacial period was the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) and it occurred around 20,000 years ago.
The Pleistocene Epoch is typically defined as the time period that began about 1.8 million years ago and lasted until about 11,700 years ago. The most recent Ice Age occurred then, as glaciers covered huge parts of the planet Earth.
Thanks for pointing out my small error of 19,000 years and yours of 10,980,000 years.
Its good to learn new facts and be enlightened!
Maybe the accuracy of our orbit is not quite spot on, maybe over such a long period we move a little bit further away for a period of time causing an ice age or just dramatic drop in temperature, I would imagine this would take many years to reach crisis point and correct itself over a long period as the orbit changes and the planet warms again. Maybe 
Anyway, £100 million to prepare for future problems, I consider that very cheap and very affordable by the Nation, after all it is not so long ago we gave Pakistan more than £700 million to help them improve their Education system.
Anyway, £100 million to prepare for future problems, I consider that very cheap and very affordable by the Nation, after all it is not so long ago we gave Pakistan more than £700 million to help them improve their Education system.
Sex God
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Thanks for pointing out my small error of 19,000 years and yours of 10,980,000 years.
Its good to learn new facts and be enlightened!
*Note to self: Coffee and keyboards do not mix well! Sex God
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Anyway, £100 million to prepare for future problems, I consider that very cheap and very affordable by the Nation,
I'm not sure where you get the figure of £100M from or what it would fund, but in principal I agree that it is an affordable amount.
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Anyway, £100 million to prepare for future problems, I consider that very cheap and very affordable by the Nation,
I'm not sure where you get the figure of £100M from or what it would fund, but in principal I agree that it is an affordable amount.
It's all over today's news Trev, though it is a bit of a wish list.
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Anyway, £100 million to prepare for future problems, I consider that very cheap and very affordable by the Nation,
I'm not sure where you get the figure of £100M from or what it would fund, but in principal I agree that it is an affordable amount.
I am quoting a statement on BBC News yesterday (6 o clock news) that the sum had been pledged by the coalition government in power to be used for future prevention, questions were asked by the report about where the money was to come from but this was not stated by the government at this time, In the North some villagers who have suffered devastation by flooding worried that the money would all or mostly go to Somerset as this was the area mentioned in the statement but no details about it's distribution were announced.
I think more information will be forthcoming over the next week or so as questions are put to the Government by the opposition and media about the sum of money.
Again personally speaking I think the figure seems very low, considering it is being spoken about as a long term investment and will be used over the coming years to dredge rivers raise the height of one particular road and the building of some form of dam around one particular village.
This from the BBC News site
5 March 2014 Last updated at 08:09
Somerset Levels Flood Action Plan: The future Continue reading the More than two months on from some of the worst flooding ever seen in Somerset, a draft 20-year flood action plan is being prepared to hand to environment secretary Owen Paterson.
And this today
The government has today sought to get back on the front foot over its handling of the recent floods, after facing a barrage of criticism from affected communities, green groups, and the opposition.
Standing in for Environment Secretary Owen Paterson who was rushed to hospital overnight for emergency eye surgery, Communities Secretary Eric Pickles announced new £130m funding to repair damaged flood defences and outlined plans to 42 new flood defence schemes that will be completed during this parliament.
The report however does go on to say
He said as a result the government would make available an additional £130m for flood defence repairs and maintenance, with £30m distributed this year and a £100m provided next year. The funding exceeds the £100m promised by the Prime Minister yesterday and will be accompanied by changes to the Bellwin scheme, which determines when local authorities can access additional funding to cover flood-related costs. "It is clear that the Bellwin scheme needs further reform, an opportunity which was missed under the last administration," said Pickles. "We will be undertaking a full review of the Bellwin scheme in due course, while ensuring that councils continue to have the right incentives to stop flooding happening in the first place."
Pickles also announced further details on the government's pipeline of new flood defence schemes, confirming that 42 new schemes will be delivered in 2014 and 2015, including projects to protect homes in Salford, Clacton and Willerby. And he confirmed plans for a new six year programme of flood protection projects would be announced by the autumn, confirming "record levels of capital investment in improving defences" that would rise to £400m a year by the end of the decade.
However, critics were quick to note that the new funding commitment provides no increase on long term spending plans, despite Labour's recent pledge to increase flood defence spending if elected and former Chief Scientist Sir David King's warning that the UK may have to spend £1bn a year on flood management by the end of the decade to tackle escalating climate change risks. Pickles statement notably avoided any mention of climate change, only obliquely referring to the "lessons to learn" regarding "the resilience of our nation as a whole in the 21st century".
The government and the opposition also clashed once again about the extent to which flood defence spending has been cut during this parliament. Pickles asserted that "over this Parliament, this government will be investing more than , compared to in the previous five years under the last government".
However, the government has consistently been accused of spinning the numbers on flood defence spending and shifting the time periods it chooses to compare to argue that flood defence spending has increased. Shadow Environment Secretary Maria Eagle again accused the government of overseeing cuts in real terms flood spending. "The government was caught out by these floods and it took far too long for ministers to recognise the seriousness of the situation," she told Parliament. "The funding is welcome. But let us be clear this is simply restoring for just over one year the reduction in annual spending on flood protection that has taken place under this government.
The government's own figures show that government reduced from £670m in 2010/11 to £573m in 2011/12. The budget has remained at a similar level for the past two years. Reversing that cut over for just over one year is a complete admission by the government that it got this wrong."
Sex God
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Anyway, £100 million to prepare for future problems, I consider that very cheap and very affordable by the Nation,
I'm not sure where you get the figure of £100M from or what it would fund, but in principal I agree that it is an affordable amount.
It's all over today's news Trev, though it is a bit of a wish list.
Oh the news! Horribly depressing stuff, hence why I haven't switched it on all day
Anyway I've had a peek now and assume this is what we are discussing?
Sex God
Quote by MidsCouple24
Anyway, £100 million to prepare for future problems, I consider that very cheap and very affordable by the Nation,
I'm not sure where you get the figure of £100M from or what it would fund, but in principal I agree that it is an affordable amount.
I think more information will be forthcoming over the next week or so as questions are put to the Government by the opposition and media about the sum of money.
How right you are. The first thing they need to announce is where the remaining 80% of the money is coming from!
As for the guys up north, I really don't think they will get any money from the 'Somerset levels flood action plan'
Sex God
Quote by Rogue_Trader
Last ice age was 40,000 years ago.
I was quoting numbers I read most often, can say I am an expert in this area
During the last 2.6 million years or so in the Quaternary period, ice ages, also called glacial ages, were times of extreme cooling of the Earth's climate where ice sheets and other types of glacier expanded to cover large areas of land. Between ice ages there were warmer interglacial periods and we are now living during such a time.
There have been many ice ages during the last 2.6 million years but when people talk about the Ice Age, they are often referring to the most recent glacial period, which peaked about 21,000 years ago and ended about 11,500 years ago.
What causes ice ages is not completely understood. The composition of the atmosphere, changes in the position of our planet around the Sun, and changes in ocean currents are some of the important factors that control the climate.
The world's most recent glacial period began about 110,000 years ago and ended around 12,500 years ago. The maximum extent of this glacial period was the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) and it occurred around 20,000 years ago.
The Pleistocene Epoch is typically defined as the time period that began about 1.8 million years ago and lasted until about 11,700 years ago. The most recent Ice Age occurred then, as glaciers covered huge parts of the planet Earth.
Thanks for pointing out my small error of 19,000 years and yours of 10,980,000 years.
Its good to learn new facts and be enlightened!
Well my memory is not what it was, was a long time ago
As for the guys up north, I really don't think they will get any money from the 'Somerset levels flood action plan' icon_
My bad way of relating what was said in the news report, the Northerners were basically saying that they hoped they would not be forgot since the main talk seems to be solely about Somerset with little mention of themselves and the money being discussed seemingly being allocated to only one area though this may not be true it is causing some concern.
My bad way of relating what was said in the news report, the Northerners were basically saying that they hoped they would not be forgot since the main talk seems to be solely about Somerset with little mention of themselves and the money being discussed seemingly being allocated to only one area though this may not be true it is causing some concern.
