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Quote by VoyeurJ
I couldnt myself ... clearest indicator you need to sort life out if you are in the queue there. Another freebie to keep the jobless whingers out of work ... give them nothing and they will find work .. and pay tax on benefits like working people too .. too easy i think and needs to change or they will bring the country to ruin ..

Ignoring your comments regarding 'jobless whingers' what of those in the queue that have a job(s) but who still struggle to feed themselves/their family due to the already ridiculously stupid high cost of living? or the grossly insufficient minimum wage that some find themselves on?
Jobs to unemployment ratio (ok so it was last year)

Not enough jobs to go round by a country mile.
Food banks, loathe the idea of them, would avoid using one if at all possible but when the chips are down and you're looking at the open mouth's of your children and deafened by the sound of their rumbling belly then thank feck for a foodbank
There go any of us but for the grace of god.
Norman Tebbit has admitted people are being forced to use food banks because they are wrongly being denied benefits.
The Tory grandee, 83, recently sparked anger by suggesting ­claimants took emergency handouts to save money which they then spent on junk food.
But he said he was eating “humble pie” after seeing a food bank in action.
Writing on his blog, he went on: “I was impressed with the quality and dedication of the people working there.
There was a systematic approach to uncovering the deeper problems which had brought people to the point where they simply did not have enough money to buy adequate food.
Some had fallen foul of the bureaucratic processes of welfare support, leaving them waiting for, or even denied, the cash support to which they were entitled.”

Lord Tebbit, who once urged the jobless to get on their bikes and find work, had previously attacked the huge growth in food banks which handed out more than a million parcels last year.
They cannot really be looking into the needs of people in the UK because nobody has helped the Hamaz family get supplies from a foodbank, at least it has not been reported that they get any food from the local food bank, this could be that the area they live in doesn't have one, it being so upmarket.
If anybody deserved such help they must be high on the list of "needy"
quote .....

GROWING ANGER AS HAMZA'S FAMILY ARE STILL LIVING OFF STATE
There was growing anger last night that Abu Hamza’s family are continuing to be bankrolled by the British public.
As the hate preacher was convicted of 11 terror offences in the U.S., it emerged his wife and children are still being housed at an extortionate cost in one of the most upmarket areas of the country.
It is thought the family have cost taxpayers more than £3million in benefits and social housing, as well as legal fees for Hamza and his sons.
Hamza’s second wife Najat Mostafa, 55, with whom he has seven children, lives in a five-bedroom council house in Shepherd’s Bush, West London – an area popular with bankers and City lawyers.
Last night, neighbours said they were ‘sickened’ the family were continuing to benefit from state handouts.
Hamza, 58, has nine children – seven sons and two daughters.
His eldest son Mohamed Mostafa, 32, was jailed for his part in planning to blow up churches in Yemen on Christmas Day 1998.
He was jailed again in 2008, along with his brother Hamza Kamel, now 27, for their part in a £1?million luxury car scam.
Hamza’s fifth son Imran Mostafa, 20, was jailed for 11 years in 2012 for armed robbery.
Another son, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was jailed in February for 12 years for conspiracy to kidnap and conspiracy to commit false imprisonment.

Maybe it is time we returned to our earlier system of law where lawbreakers were declared Outlaws, as in living outside the law, being outside the law meant that not only did they disregard the laws of the Nation but that they were not protected by the same laws, if you assaulted an outlaw nobody cared, the authorities did nothing because you were an outlaw.
Perhaps a little extreme but elements of that made sense, these days with prisoners sueing the authorities because they couldn't go outside during a hurricane or because the heating system failed in their cell you have to wonder who is being helped by the law and who is the victim of it.
With law abiding families being penalised for having an extra bedroom because their Son died and being encouraged to move into a smaller house would it be so wrong to move this family into cheaper accommodation up North ? we cannot afford the bill of trying to get them kicked out of the UK that is for sure.
good idea
lets forcible re-locate them to Stoke-On-Trent, who (to quote the City Council at the RHS Flower Show) are that forgotten city between Birmingham and Manchester
wink
A good idea, house rents in Stoke on Trent are amongst the cheapest in the UK and there is adequate housing meaning that local people would not be put out by the allocation to them, I am sure you could probably get someone here who is more deserving of a nicer property to voluntarily re-locate to London in a house swap too.
please tell me that some of these comments are not for real!
Relocating? At whose cost? Why should families leave their neighbourhood, families and friends?
And as for foodbanks. Oh come on. What sort of society do we have that they are needed? As for vouchers, well they were used for refugees and they were a rip off. No change given, generally expensive corner shops only, and what a social stigma 'look at me, I'm poor and needy'.
If we all said 'raise taxes' and shot the tories (or sent them to australia) we could have a decent society again.
Quote by capricornten
please tell me that some of these comments are not for real!

Absolutely 100% good idea in my book.
Relocating? At whose cost? Why should families leave their neighbourhood, families and friends?
I think the cost is immaterial, who cares if it costs £100 million, not you obviously.
The Hamaz family live in a London house worth £1.2 million bearing in mind that a 2 bedroom flat in the area costs an average of £1500 per month to rent I hate to think what the state is paying for a 5 bedroom house of that value.
Here in Stoke on Trent where someone suggested they should be relocated to, an idea I wholeheartedly agree with a 2 bedroom flat can be readily obtained for around £320 per month, a fifth of the cost of housing the brood in London.
What ties do they have to London other than the terrorist cells they are in contact with, who I am sure they will keep in contact with wherever they are, will it make it more difficult for them to keep in contact with their father imprisoned for life in the USA for terrorist activities, I don't think so.
Will it be a hardship for the family, who cares, let them sod off back to their own country they are not British Citizens.
Hamza, 58, has nine children – seven sons and two daughters.
His eldest son Mohamed Mostafa, 32, was jailed for his part in planning to blow up churches in Yemen on Christmas Day 1998.
He was jailed again in 2008, along with his brother Hamza Kamel, now 27, for their part in a £12million luxury car scam.
Hamza’s fifth son Imran Mostafa, 20, was jailed for 11 years in 2012 for armed robbery.
Another son, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was jailed in February for 12 years for conspiracy to kidnap and conspiracy to commit false imprisonment.

And as for foodbanks. Oh come on. What sort of society do we have that they are needed? As for vouchers, well they were used for refugees and they were a rip off. No change given, generally expensive corner shops only, and what a social stigma 'look at me, I'm poor and needy'.
You may be happy to support this terrorist families human rights and stand up to support them so they cannot be re-housed but I will not. This man recruited people to kill British Soldiers, he preached a hatred for Britain and British Soldiers, supporting his rights is your choice but I think your supporting terrorism and the killing of British Soldiers in what you are doing.
If we all said 'raise taxes' and shot the tories (or sent them to australia) we could have a decent society again.
So we have never had a situation under Labour where hard working people were on the breadline and had to receive financial help just to live ? don't answer I will answer for you, yes we have had employed people granted supplementary benefit because their wages were too low to live to a standard the Government said was suitable.
Quote by capricornten
Relocating? At whose cost? Why should families leave their neighbourhood, families and friends?

This happens already I'm afraid. 600 houses in Cranbrook, a new town just outside Exeter, have been bought as social housing for families from Birmingham.
Quote by MidsCouple24

And as for foodbanks. Oh come on. What sort of society do we have that they are needed? As for vouchers, well they were used for refugees and they were a rip off. No change given, generally expensive corner shops only, and what a social stigma 'look at me, I'm poor and needy'.
You may be happy to support this terrorist families human rights and stand up to support them so they cannot be re-housed but I will not. This man recruited people to kill British Soldiers, he preached a hatred for Britain and British Soldiers, supporting his rights is your choice but I think your supporting terrorism and the killing of British Soldiers in what you are doing.
If we all said 'raise taxes' and shot the tories (or sent them to australia) we could have a decent society again.
So we have never had a situation under Labour where hard working people were on the breadline and had to receive financial help just to live ? don't answer I will answer for you, yes we have had employed people granted supplementary benefit because their wages were too low to live to a standard the Government said was suitable.

Mids, how do you make the connection between abuse of foodbanks and terrorism? Its quite plain if you are going to follow the path of terrorism that you wouldn't want to draw atention to yourself!
read my tongue in cheek comment further up about the Hamaz family needing our foodbanks, since they get every other benefit we have to offer, keep up man, keep up.
Quote by Trevaunance
Relocating? At whose cost? Why should families leave their neighbourhood, families and friends?

This happens already I'm afraid. 600 houses in Cranbrook, a new town just outside Exeter, have been bought as social housing for families from Birmingham.
It also happened many years ago when 3 "New Towns" were created, Milton Keynes was built to house many of the unemployed people of London, the powers that be decided that these people had 2 big problems, bad housing or on housing waiting lists and no job, the problem they thought could be solved by giving them good housing in MK then creating the jobs in the area so they could find work, for many people the idea worked very well.
The same was done with the people in the same boat in Birmingham with the creation of Telford new town and the people of Manchester with the creation Skelmersdale new town.
Quote by deancannock
100% those in need......benefits have been cut to such an extent...people affected by bedroom tax....people don't go begging to food banks for food unless they have to. There are loads of people now on zero hours jobs. Good for government as keeps them off unemployment figures.....
It is wrong that people are allowed to fall through the welfare net, and have to use this facility in this day and age.

OK lets just get some reality in here. The Spectator (not known for its support of the Tories) says: " But Labour needs to check its facts. The first food bank was set up in Salisbury in 2000, long before those nasty Tories got anywhere near the economy and benefits system. In 2007/08, 22 food banks launched and fed 13,800. Those numbers rose steadily: in 2009/10, before the general election had even taken place, 40,900 people received emergency help from food banks" So it was Labour that created this phenomenon despite instructing Jobcentres that they didn't exist! One reason more people using them now is that Welfare offices are directing people TO the Foodbanks! That Spectator article is at:

So dean plays his usual Leftie slogan reciting self so lets dismantle a few myths:
Benefits have been 'Capped' not cut. And I think £26k a year for doing sod all is pretty generous. Especially as when I worked I did 60 hours a week and got less....
The 'Bedroom Tax' (aka Spare room Subsidy) was created by Labour when they reduced the Housing Benefit paid to private tenants to the level 'of need' rather than actual rent paid. This Government has just extended that to the public sector tenants to make the system equal and fair to all receiving Housing Benefit. They also created exceptions for EVERYONE (Public & Private) regarding carers, disabled and service families unlike Labour. If you don't claim benefit you don't pay 'The Bedroom Tax'.... D'UH!
People do go 'begging to food banks' even if they don't need to because its free food. Do grow up Dean! Reality check?
Ah yes 'Zero Hours Contracts'. Those evil things created out of the blue (sic) in May 2010 by the Tories!! except they weren't were they Dean? They existed and grew exponentially all during Labour's years in power so why are they so evil now? Some people are grateful for them because they allow them to get off the dole and into work in a flexible way that suits THEM. people used to work 'Part Time'. they now work' Zero Hours'. And it also allows people to have two jobs if they wish. Oh and dare I mention Labour councils are the biggest issuers of 'Zero Hours Contracts'? Oops ...
No doubt we will also hear about 'Tax Cuts for the Rich' when their tax has actually been increased! For 13 years Labour's top tax rate was 40p in the £ because they were 'intensely relaxed about wealth'. Then in April 2010 they increased it to 50p in the £ knowing they would not be in power to implement it. Osbourne had to wear it for a while as legislation needed amending to create the 45p in the £ we now have. Higher than at any point in Labour's 13 years!
I do agree it is wrong for anyone to fall through our welfare safety net and we must do more to make sure a) those in need get support and b) those who don't get shifted off.
Anyone who thinks that cuts to public services will be over any time soon is somewhat deluded. The tax take in this country is already well above where it should be and it is inconceivable that the majority of working people would countenance yet more tax take from their income. Labour has done a great job of spinning the doom and gloom mantra of depressingly negative stories and brainwashing their natural voting base.
The reality however is different. Many low paid workers now don't pay any tax at all. Britains Economy is the strongest in Europe and we have more people in full time work than at any time in history - despite (or because of?) the influx of a huge number of Eastern European immigrants.
The reality of the new world that we now live in is that we are no longer sheltered from the global economy and an unskilled worker in England is only worth the same as an unskilled worker anywhere else in the world. Our country is in a mess because we spend far too much money supporting people who can't or won't look after themselves.
My opinion is that in our lifetime the state pension, NHS and social housing support will change beyond recognition because the country will not be able to afford it.
I second that view TH.
The UK is f*cked. Huge amounts of tax receipts but yet, as reported today, an 87 year old, married for 60 years is banged up by Manchester Police for 7 hours without food for doing no more than supplying a patch to assist his severely disabled wife suffering considerable pain from arthritis.
It then takes them 2 months to tell him that he will face no charges!!!
What a despicable country.
What despicable people treat their elderly in such a way? Courts that sit in secret and the criminal who beats old ladies about the head with a pistol is allowed to walk free from a Prison to be unlawfully at large and the Police can't be bothered to post their details because it might 'harm his human rights'.
People ask me when I will be returning to live in the UK. The answer is NEVER. I cannot think right now of a single reason which draws me to the land where I was born. Indeed, I am ashamed to admit that I am English (oh shit, I can't say that now can I).
'We're all in it together' except of course if you are politician, social services worker, banker, policier and so on and so on.
but the ordinary hard working people of England are shat on time and time again. It's time for the revolution but sadly, no-one listens.
Rant over.
Quote by GnV
I second that view TH.
The UK is f*cked. Huge amounts of tax receipts but yet, as reported today, an 87 year old, married for 60 years is banged up by Manchester Police for 7 hours without food for doing no more than supplying a patch to assist his severely disabled wife suffering considerable pain from arthritis.
It then takes them 2 months to tell him that he will face no charges!!!
What a despicable country.

I also agree with TH who makes a very valid point or three.
And yes the UK WAS fucked. Not IS fucked my friend. Not any more. We are now driving ourselves out of the New Labour experiment that seriously fucked over this country. And if you want to go on about bent politicians Labour had the only MPs put in prison and yet lecture the Tories on being 'Toffs' Well rather a Toff than a thieving scumbag.
The terrible case you mention isn't a national problem its a Police problem. Something I have aired before and for which I got severely flamed! Our Police are no longer crime fighters. They are 'Social enablers' playing the 'Elf & Safety' game of excuses. PC used to mean Police Constable. Someone who respected you, saluted you and was respected greatly in return. Now PC means Political Correctness and all that expense, paperwork, delay, lies and failures that brings. A copper is not someone to fear now he / she is a Social Worker who will happily arrest someone beating f**ck out of a burglar and then assist the burglar in his 'com pen say shun' claim lodged by the Police aided coffin follower lawyers who pay coppers for private data. Police Forces spend more on 'PR' consultants and advertising than they do on new equipment. They care more for their public image than nailing the scumbags who terrorise neighbourhoods unchecked. And of course if you are a copper these days you can run a Union on purely race grounds where a white man isn't welcome to join. But try banning a black man from a Union and you will get arrested!
My great uncle was a copper. A Chief Inspector when he was killed and apparently a very brave one as he won the GC and Police medals. In those days people like him were rightly respected and even loved. Nowadays I, and many 'old school' people like me, despise everything about the Police. And two words say it all: Police Federation.
So GnV ...please don't run down my (and your) country in total when its really a Liberal Leftie minority still beavering away trying to destroy every value and standard that once made us the greatest nation on earth ...
Quote by Too Hot
Anyone who thinks that cuts to public services will be over any time soon is somewhat deluded. The tax take in this country is already well above where it should be and it is inconceivable that the majority of working people would countenance yet more tax take from their income. Labour has done a great job of spinning the doom and gloom mantra of depressingly negative stories and brainwashing their natural voting base.
The reality however is different. Many low paid workers now don't pay any tax at all. Britains Economy is the strongest in Europe and we have more people in full time work than at any time in history - despite (or because of?) the influx of a huge number of Eastern European immigrants.
The reality of the new world that we now live in is that we are no longer sheltered from the global economy and an unskilled worker in England is only worth the same as an unskilled worker anywhere else in the world. Our country is in a mess because we spend far too much money supporting people who can't or won't look after themselves.
My opinion is that in our lifetime the state pension, NHS and social housing support will change beyond recognition because the country will not be able to afford it.

I also agree with most of this with the exception of that I highlighted in Red and agree with it in part.
We waste an incredible amount on people who won't help themselves but I am proud that we can at least try to take care of those that can't.
I watch the adverts to "Give just £3 a month to help ............." some deserving causes and some that are appalling, £2 a month to India and Pakistan for eye surgery, what are India and Pakistan doing about their problem, they are not poor nations when taken globally, Great Ormond Children's Hospital, this is something our Government should be financing for the excellent work they do, the RSPCA, RSPCC as well, Guide Dogs for the Blind ? little Tommy won't eat today because this Nation thinks giving £750 million to Pakistan for their Education is more important than deserving causes at home, that China and Vietnam deserves our financial help before those I just named.
I said before and still think, food banks are a good thing but they are abused, many people use them not to improve their lives but so they can save money for other things such as ciggerettes, alcohol and drugs not so that they have money to improve their families ability to get work or live a healthier life as was highlighted on the programme "Benefits Street" where the couple that used the food bank got a taxi to the place, smoked and drank and were only destitute because benefits had been stopped after they defrauded the system earning £1500 on the side, work they stopped doing as soon as their benefits stopped.
Can't disagree with anything you said there MidsCouple ...
the other side to benefit street....but this wouldn't make good television would it....poor man ( ex army ) dying of starvation in a flat with no electricity