You really can't afford to relax for a second, and it can only get worse – even if we have a change of government next week (please, God?), we won't be having a change of civil service, will we?
Politicians only think they make the decisions.
In actual fact they spend most of their time justifying what government departments have already decided to do
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Scary read! Makes you think.
I was in a shop recently where the cashier asked the guy in front of me for his name and address as he had bought a tv top set (something like that). I would have refused, without question he gave the information requested that the cashier wrote on a writing pad that she shoved behind the till afterwards. So much for data protection
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My son bought a second hand tv for his games console. Week later he had a tv licensing letter stating the make/model of the tv he bought! He hasn't given his name an address to anyone in the charity shop! (On reading the letter - I didn't know that if you have a mobile phone that can get iplayer on you need a licence! I wouldn't have thought of it!)
The information that agencies have on us is unbelievable! I've seen some of what's written by agency staff and I wasn't impressed! You don't always know which agency has info on you...the info I used to get was sent to us asking for further info on young people by name. These emails were sent to random projects that THEY thought would come across these young people.
I was in a shop recently where the cashier asked the guy in front of me for his name and address as he had bought a tv top set (something like that). I would have refused, without question he gave the information requested that the cashier wrote on a writing pad that she shoved behind the till afterwards. So much for data protection
:? :? My son bought a second hand tv for his games console. Week later he had a tv licensing letter stating the make/model of the tv he bought! He hasn't given his name an address to anyone in the charity shop! (On reading the letter - I didn't know that if you have a mobile phone that can get iplayer on you need a licence! I wouldn't have thought of it!)
The information that agencies have on us is unbelievable! I've seen some of what's written by agency staff and I wasn't impressed! You don't always know which agency has info on you...the info I used to get was sent to us asking for further info on young people by name. These emails were sent to random projects that THEY thought would come across these young people.
Sex God
Quote by anais
Scary read! Makes you think.
I was in a shop recently where the cashier asked the guy in front of me for his name and address as he had bought a tv top set (something like that). I would have refused, without question he gave the information requested that the cashier wrote on a writing pad that she shoved behind the till afterwards. So much for data protection
It's a legal requirement under the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1967. ;)
:lol:several thousand kids go missing from home each year, and can't easily be found.
i think you can make yourself ill by taking this too seriously. like the guy in the story, he made himself a victim, and suffered accordingly.
but we have had medical records, tv and car licensing, bills and passports. all of which already make up the bulk of the data about you.
its just a lot more data, rather than detail these days.
i think you can make yourself ill by taking this too seriously. like the guy in the story, he made himself a victim, and suffered accordingly.
but we have had medical records, tv and car licensing, bills and passports. all of which already make up the bulk of the data about you.
its just a lot more data, rather than detail these days.
Clearly the story on the link was not likely to be a true one, rather an example of what the writer believed would happen. Yes, there is now great concern about what agencies hold about us - probably the worst part is that you cannot effectively appeal against a lot of it, even if you are "lucky enough" to find out in the first place!
Plim :sad:
Plim :sad:
You may never find out.
Disclosures made under the enhanced crb check or the vetting and safeguarding scheme will not be revealed to you !
Speaking of the local law...they log the numbers of cars noted in any carparks/laybys where "sexual activity" takes place.
The first you will know is likely to be if/when you need to be "checked"....
Disclosures made under the enhanced crb check or the vetting and safeguarding scheme will not be revealed to you !
Speaking of the local law...they log the numbers of cars noted in any carparks/laybys where "sexual activity" takes place.
The first you will know is likely to be if/when you need to be "checked"....
Cheers Mr K - I didn't realise that! Would rather do without a tv than give my name and addie...Im such an awkward moo at times :?
JTS - the police do the same at Demonstrations - think some go on the terrorist list when all they maybe doing is attending a peaceful protest.
I know a taxi driver that picks up a working girl every day - home to train station - train station to home! He had a letter left on his car windscreen telling him that his car reg has been noted :? :?
:?JTS - the police do the same at Demonstrations - think some go on the terrorist list when all they maybe doing is attending a peaceful protest.
I know a taxi driver that picks up a working girl every day - home to train station - train station to home! He had a letter left on his car windscreen telling him that his car reg has been noted :? :?
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I know a taxi driver that picks up a working girl every day - home to train station - train station to home! He had a letter left on his car windscreen telling him that his car reg has been noted
I always thought it was the numbers on the trains that the train spotters are supposed to note. Must have changed in recent times
Dave_Notts
As the 'authoritys' can already find out anything about anyone at the click of a mouse and we all know they can then why all the bitching and moaning about carrying a National ID card?
It is the Norm in most other countrys so why not here?
ID cards (c/w full face picture) should be free, electronically checkable in the same way as Passports are and carried by everyone in the UK.
There is nothing to fear about carrying an ID card, except being found out.
It is the Norm in most other countrys so why not here?
ID cards (c/w full face picture) should be free, electronically checkable in the same way as Passports are and carried by everyone in the UK.
There is nothing to fear about carrying an ID card, except being found out.
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There is a very grey area of law around wether the polices actions are legal,should you be asked to identify yourself you are under no obligation to do so unless they believe you are committing a crime.
The police and Criminal Evidence act allows arrest for so many reasons, that refusing to give your name (which you can do) just gives them another reason to arrest you.
Quote by Kaznkev
There is a very grey area of law around wether the polices actions are legal,should you be asked to identify yourself you are under no obligation to do so unless they believe you are committing a crime.
The police and Criminal Evidence act allows arrest for so many reasons, that refusing to give your name (which you can do) just gives them another reason to arrest you.
Indeed,which is an appalling state of affairs and why i descibed it as a grey course suing for wrongful arrest after the fact isn't really the ideal option.
As I recall an offence must have been committed, even an none-arrestable offence. An non-arrestable offence becomes an arrestable offence if a summons can not be delivered. If a person does not give there name a summons can not be delivered, therefore any offence or suspected offence becomes arrestable. The simple with holding of your name is not a reason to arrest someone.
Travis
The general rule to remember is that you never have to give your name and address to the police prior to arrest, subject to the following 3 exceptions:
1. where the police reasonably suspect you of a non-arrestable offence, and require your name and address for the service of a summons (Section 25 Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE));
2. where you are the driver of a vehicle;
3. where the police say they suspect you of “anti-social behaviour.
So: In a carpark at night......
If you do decide to give the police your name and address, they may still arrest you if they reasonably believe that the details you have given are not true. This is where they may ask you for some form of identification. There is no obligation to provide the police with ID, and the police can make various checks to establish this
Driving a Vehicle
The police can demand your name, address and date of birth where you are driving a vehicle on a road. They can also demand these details if they have reason to suspect that you have committed a driving offence or been the driver of a vehicle which has been involved in an accident. You commit an offence by refusing to give your details in this situation, and the police can arrest you for this under Section 25 PACE.
Section 50 Police Reform Act 2002
A recent development in police attempts to gain activists’ details is the use of Section 50 of the Police Reform Act 2002. This makes it an offence to refuse to give your name and address to a police officer, where the officer reasonably suspects that you have engaged in “anti-social behaviour”.
“Anti-social behaviour” is defined as behaviour that has caused harassment, alarm or distress to other people. Section 50 carries no specific power of arrest, but if you refuse to give your name and address, then the police can say that they suspect you of committing a non-arrestable offence and Section 25 PACE applies.
The use by the police of this power will at some stage be challenged in court, as it was not designed to deal with political protest but with anti-social behaviour, for example by youths on housing estates. However, police forces are increasingly using the power, and you should be aware that they could arrest you if you refuse to give details
The recent use of section 59, Police Reform Act, to deter anti-social behaviour by seizure of a vehicle involved in same is also of concern.
Locally, the police use the simple ploy of sending letters to the vehicle keeper. Lately they send same to the HOUSEHOLDER of the address where the vehicle is registered. As you can imagine...this has caused considerable trouble....at least one divorce is pending and one instant dismissal.
Sex God
Not quite on subject but some interesting information here
Sex God
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Not quite on subject but some interesting information here
Why do terrorists have to photograph anything, when they have google earth and streetmap? Someone has already done it for them.
Dave_Notts
Yes, very true, in fact I suspect you could find building plans and layouts on-line some where if you really wanted to.
