Fuel discounts for remote areas being considered

19 Jan 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009

Thats not what I was saying. If your house cost is 50k less you save on mortgage repayments, swings and roundabouts.

Quote by tweeky
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.

Sorry, I may have miss-read. Where is there choice though? My thoughts were, if they are struggling with fuel cost's, how could they find the extra 50k to move where the fuel is cheaper?
It may not be swings and round abouts, it might be they have less money perhaps, if they have a rural job then they probably earn far less.
For people who live and work in the remote rural parts of the UK. I would happily subsidise there fuel cost's. For those who live in a rural area and work in cities, then that is a choice they have made!
Doubt very much any policy will differentiate between the two and even if it does I STILL dont want to subsidize the fuel.
FF subsidized Bristol transport rotflmao

Where? I get a taxi when I go to town with two or more people cu then the taxi is only about £2 more expensive and well worth the extra costs for the convenience. First bus have a monopoly here and charge stupid prices, even Bristol city council is aiming to get a competitor in within two years to try and decrease First bus's prices.

19 Jan 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009

The first cuts should be city-transport subsidies, like Bristol, London and most major UK cities. Why should tax-payers who don't live in the city have to pay for city dwellers to get around on the cheap? Hypocritical, to say the least.
And what about the unemployed that live in the cities? Should they be kicked out of their homes so that more productive working rural folk can move in? And single parents - complete waste of valuable city accommodation. Kick them out as well! Is this roughly how you would want your final solution to look?

Forest ..the subsidies for public transport in the city are extremly small when compared to the subsidies given to rural public transport services !!!
Unemployed people that can't pay their morgage..city or rural dwellers are kicked out !!
Fact is we need the produce that comes from rural areas....such as the meat, milk, and wheat. Equally we also need the goods made in ( your own words ) the stinky city, and industrial areas. We would have no car to put the petrol in, if it was not for the industrial zones.
Do we still make cars here? Its a serious question, as I dont know
yes we do....I have recently just done some work myself down at the BMW .. Mini factory in oxfordshire....there is a massive Toyota plant in Derby...Numerous plants where cars are made in the UK.....the biggest regret is that most are foreign owned companies.

19 Jan 2011

Quote by tweeky

Thats not what I was saying. If your house cost is 50k less you save on mortgage repayments, swings and roundabouts.

Quote by tweeky
If you choose to live in a remote area then you should pay the same fuel price as everyone else. Its a choice, so you know fuel is going to cost more when you live rurally.

Sorry, I may have miss-read. Where is there choice though? My thoughts were, if they are struggling with fuel cost's, how could they find the extra 50k to move where the fuel is cheaper?
It may not be swings and round abouts, it might be they have less money perhaps, if they have a rural job then they probably earn far less.
For people who live and work in the remote rural parts of the UK. I would happily subsidise there fuel cost's. For those who live in a rural area and work in cities, then that is a choice they have made!
Doubt very much any policy will differentiate between the two and even if it does I STILL dont want to subsidize the fuel.
FF subsidized Bristol transport rotflmao

Where? I get a taxi when I go to town with two or more people cu then the taxi is only about £2 more expensive and well worth the extra costs for the convenience. First bus have a monopoly here and charge stupid prices, even Bristol city council is aiming to get a competitor in within two years to try and decrease First bus's prices.
I think we already are!
Danny Alexander, the Treasury Chief Secretary, said this week that ministers will "take steps to relieve the burden of fuel costs in the most remote communities".
A pilot scheme cutting fuel duty by 5p per litre is underway in the Hebrides and the Isles of Scilly.

19 Jan 2011

Quote by deancannock
Do we still make cars here? Its a serious question, as I dont know

yes we do....I have recently just done some work myself down at the BMW .. Mini factory in oxfordshire....there is a massive Toyota plant in Derby...Numerous plants where cars are made in the UK.....the biggest regret is that most are foreign owned companies.
Ah, sadley our motorcycle industry is going the same way, I believe Triumph is still UK owned.
We do however have several very strong caravan munufacturers in this country. One very good one, leading the wold in manufacturing and construction techneac, in Bristol. I am lucky enough to visit the bristol based caravan manufaturer 3 or 4 times a year. Cost's me a bloody fortune to fill up the 2.8 turbo diesel 4X4 and travel to Bristol mind you, if only I lived some where more remote I could get help with that lol

19 Jan 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
Danny Alexander, the Treasury Chief Secretary, said this week that ministers will "take steps to relieve the burden of fuel costs in the most remote communities".
A pilot scheme cutting fuel duty by 5p per litre is underway in the Hebrides and the Isles of Scilly.

Whats to stop fuel stations adding it to the price? Especially remote ones that are more likely to be privately owned. Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see them at least add some of it back on to the fuel price for extra profit. Happened to me when Labour cut VAT to 15% the auction house I buy from put their commission up from 17.5% to 20%. Glad Ive not bought at auction for some time seeing that the total cost is 40% due to the Torys 20% VAT.

20 Jan 2011

Quote by tweeky

Danny Alexander, the Treasury Chief Secretary, said this week that ministers will "take steps to relieve the burden of fuel costs in the most remote communities".
A pilot scheme cutting fuel duty by 5p per litre is underway in the Hebrides and the Isles of Scilly.

Whats to stop fuel stations adding it to the price? Especially remote ones that are more likely to be privately owned. Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see them at least add some of it back on to the fuel price for extra profit. Happened to me when Labour cut VAT to 15% the auction house I buy from put their commission up from 17.5% to 20%. Glad Ive not bought at auction for some time seeing that the total cost is 40% due to the Torys 20% VAT.
A very valid point

23 Jan 2011

ermm dont forget nissan at Sunderland (i know another foreign owned firm) but at least employment for the north east!

23 Jan 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
These are the type of people I would like to see benefit from this
Coalition ministers have said they want to look at targeted cuts in duty for drivers in remote parts of Britain.
Average fuel prices approaching for a litre of petrol have put the Coalition under intense pressure to act.
Fuel prices in rural areas can be even higher, with some petrol stations in northern Scotland charging as much as per litre.
Danny Alexander, the Treasury Chief Secretary, said this week that ministers will "take steps to relieve the burden of fuel costs in the most remote communities".
A pilot scheme cutting fuel duty by 5p per litre is underway in the Hebrides and the Isles of Scilly.
Ministers hope to extend the duty cut to more rural areas, but that would require the approval of the European Commission, which enforces European competition law.
From here

Is that the same Isles of Scilly who in many cases don't have cars on them 'cos they're so small or a different Isles of Scilly ??.....there's a well designed experiment then

23 Jan 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
These are the type of people I would like to see benefit from this
Coalition ministers have said they want to look at targeted cuts in duty for drivers in remote parts of Britain.
Average fuel prices approaching for a litre of petrol have put the Coalition under intense pressure to act.
Fuel prices in rural areas can be even higher, with some petrol stations in northern Scotland charging as much as per litre.
Danny Alexander, the Treasury Chief Secretary, said this week that ministers will "take steps to relieve the burden of fuel costs in the most remote communities".
A pilot scheme cutting fuel duty by 5p per litre is underway in the Hebrides and the Isles of Scilly.
Ministers hope to extend the duty cut to more rural areas, but that would require the approval of the European Commission, which enforces European competition law.
From here

Is that the same Isles of Scilly who in many cases don't have cars on them 'cos they're so small or a different Isles of Scilly ??.....there's a well designed experiment then
What do you imagine powers the farm vehicle then?

23 Jan 2011

So what happened in here are we all suffering post traumatic stress or has our sense of humour failed for some other reason......you really honestly don't see a certain irony in the choice Blue ??

23 Jan 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
So what happened in here are we all suffering post traumatic stress or has our sense of humour failed for some other reason......you really honestly don't see a certain irony in the choice Blue ??

23 Jan 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
These are the type of people I would like to see benefit from this
Coalition ministers have said they want to look at targeted cuts in duty for drivers in remote parts of Britain.
Average fuel prices approaching for a litre of petrol have put the Coalition under intense pressure to act.
Fuel prices in rural areas can be even higher, with some petrol stations in northern Scotland charging as much as per litre.
Danny Alexander, the Treasury Chief Secretary, said this week that ministers will "take steps to relieve the burden of fuel costs in the most remote communities".
A pilot scheme cutting fuel duty by 5p per litre is underway in the Hebrides and the Isles of Scilly.
Ministers hope to extend the duty cut to more rural areas, but that would require the approval of the European Commission, which enforces European competition law.
From here

Is that the same Isles of Scilly who in many cases don't have cars on them 'cos they're so small or a different Isles of Scilly ??.....there's a well designed experiment then
What do you imagine powers the farm vehicle then?
Agricultural diesel which already attracts a much lower rate of duty so is unlikely to be included in any pilot scheme as this. dunno

23 Jan 2011

Quote by ForestFunsters
Yeah, and the millions of starving Africans should all move to Macclesfield.

Funsters,
As many local residents know to their cost, the fuel prices in Macclesfield are traditionally higher than those in the surrounding areas, both rural and urban.
Currently the local 'cartel' all seem to be charging £133.9 for Derv whilst the traditional 'we'll charge what we want as we have a captive/desparate market' Motorway services station on the M56 yesterday was charging £131.2
On the subject of the pilot scheme of cutting fuel duty by 5p per litre, it's interesting to note that one of the pilot areas being pushed is in Scotland oh and which coalition gorvernment minister (we'll give you a clue in that Harriet Harman apologiesed for callling him a 'ginger rodent' last year) happens to be the local MP for that area ?

23 Jan 2011

Quote by foxylady2209
These are the type of people I would like to see benefit from this
Coalition ministers have said they want to look at targeted cuts in duty for drivers in remote parts of Britain.
Average fuel prices approaching for a litre of petrol have put the Coalition under intense pressure to act.
Fuel prices in rural areas can be even higher, with some petrol stations in northern Scotland charging as much as per litre.
Danny Alexander, the Treasury Chief Secretary, said this week that ministers will "take steps to relieve the burden of fuel costs in the most remote communities".
A pilot scheme cutting fuel duty by 5p per litre is underway in the Hebrides and the Isles of Scilly.
Ministers hope to extend the duty cut to more rural areas, but that would require the approval of the European Commission, which enforces European competition law.
From here

Is that the same Isles of Scilly who in many cases don't have cars on them 'cos they're so small or a different Isles of Scilly ??.....there's a well designed experiment then
What do you imagine powers the farm vehicle then?
Agricultural diesel which already attracts a much lower rate of duty so is unlikely to be included in any pilot scheme as this. dunno

The idea is to help people in very remote areas, these areas ar remote and many have cars.
If a farm vehicle travel over an amount of miles a year on the road it is no longer permitted to use red diesel, rather must pay higher duty
8.8 Vehicles used between different parts of the land
A vehicle in this category must:
(a) be used only for purposes relating to agriculture, horticulture or forestry,
(b) be used on public roads only in passing between different areas of land occupied by the same person,
(c) not travel a distance on public roads in passing between two such areas that exceeds 1.5 kilometres, and
(d) have a nil licence (as defined in Section 62 of the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994) in force in respect
There are many farm vehicles that are not eligible for reduced fuel duty

23 Jan 2011

It's an attempt to shore up the Tory vote in rural areas ffs!.....it's so bloody obvious that a sign would make it more bloody discreet

23 Jan 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
It's an attempt to shore up the Tory vote in rural areas ffs!.....it's so bloody obvious that a sign would make it more bloody discreet

Possibly

Is that wrong?

23 Jan 2011

Wrong ?? predictable definitely. Wrong that's for you to decide .....I have always understood however that buying votes is illegal

23 Jan 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Wrong ?? predictable definitely. Wrong that's for you to decide .....I have always understood however that buying votes is illegal

Perhaps my cup is half full!
Those lovely Tory chaps are just caring for those struggling in remote rural settings, comforting that our government cares

23 Jan 2011

It is a little acknowledged fact that unless in a vacuum all cups are always full....often with hot air but full nonetheless

23 Jan 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
It is a little acknowledged fact that unless in a vacuum all cups are always full....often with hot air but full nonetheless

:thumbup:

23 Jan 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Wrong ?? predictable definitely. Wrong that's for you to decide .....I have always understood however that buying votes is illegal

No more so than the Labour candidate filling in the postal votes of pensioners in Edgbaston perhaps?
I wonder where the X was placed....

23 Jan 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
Sounds like a sensible idea to me
What do people here feel?

window dressing for the great unwashed to believe in. fuel will continue to get more expensive. there will be no reduction in food costs or energies for the the rural areas or the poor. politicians will make noises because they are frightened of the potential future lynch mob.
if the people do not demonstrate or protest, there will be no lessoning in the pace of rise in the cost of living. agree with the particular issue or not, protest and demonstration are a check and balance on the ruling elite even if only temporarily.

23 Jan 2011

Quote by gulsonroad30664
Sounds like a sensible idea to me
What do people here feel?

window dressing for the great unwashed to believe in. fuel will continue to get more expensive. there will be no reduction in food costs or energies for the the rural areas or the poor. politicians will make noises because they are frightened of the potential future lynch mob.
if the people do not demonstrate or protest, there will be no lessoning in the pace of rise in the cost of living. agree with the particular issue or not, protest and demonstration are a check and balance on the ruling elite even if only temporarily.
Provided its within the law I fully support such actions

24 Jan 2011

BT told to cut cost of rural broadband by up to 15pc

24 Jan 2011

Mr Handley told the Yorkshire Post the FFA was compelled to take the stance due to so many farmers being driven out of business by unmanageable fuel costs

24 Jan 2011

Quote by GnV
Wrong ?? predictable definitely. Wrong that's for you to decide .....I have always understood however that buying votes is illegal

No more so than the Labour candidate filling in the postal votes of pensioners in Edgbaston perhaps?
I wonder where the X was placed....
Indeed not ....but you know, if you want to see moral bankruptcy look to Westminster.

24 Jan 2011

Quote by Bluefish2009
Mr Handley told the Yorkshire Post the FFA was compelled to take the stance due to so many farmers being driven out of business by unmanageable fuel costs

See, and I would have gone for Supermarkets and large corporate farms cutting prices...I suspect Mr Handley is the owner such a farm and merely wishes to cut his costs even further to allow him to put some more small farmers out of business...I suspect Mr Handley is talking out of his arse....I shall now go and attempt to confirm my suspicions......
I'm Back, I looked,
It seems Mr Handley has just about the average size dairy herd on his farm....and is a seasoned campaigner on the issue of fuel prices...I still however suspect him of talking out of his arse

24 Jan 2011

Quote by Staggerlee_BB
Mr Handley told the Yorkshire Post the FFA was compelled to take the stance due to so many farmers being driven out of business by unmanageable fuel costs

See, and I would have gone for Supermarkets and large corporate farms cutting prices...I suspect Mr Handley is the owner such a farm and merely wishes to cut his costs even further to allow him to put some more small farmers out of business...I suspect Mr Handley is talking out of his arse....I shall now go and attempt to confirm my suspicions......
I'm Back, I looked,
It seems Mr Handley has just about the average size dairy herd on his farm....and is a seasoned campaigner on the issue of fuel prices...I still however suspect him of talking out of his arse
Nice to see you put a positive spin on some thing for a change :crazy:

6 Feb 2011

the price of oil at a hundred dollars a barrel is not based on supply/demand pricing at present. the demand/consumption of oil is presently below supply and the current high price is nearly 50% higher than it would be because of speculation from cheaply available money from central banks. this money/credit which is available at .5 or zero % is being invested in energies and comodities driving fuel and food higher. these energy and commodity assets are safer than paper but this bubble will also burst after a spike.
the reactions of the tunisians, egyptians, yemeni's, jordanians, et all, of peoples living on very low wages and with high unemployment cannot survive these increased costs of food and fuel. where they had subsidies for basic living, they are being removed by i.m.f. dictate for loans.
the student protests against fees rising 200% as part of the austerity measures is just the beginning and the puppets in westminster know it.
forget getting any relief from our? government. how many times do you need telling. you are going to get austerity while the monied class gets bonuses and will tell you they earned/deserve it. value is being transfered from the 95% to the 5%. you are being robbed.

6 Feb 2011

Quote by gulsonroad30664
the price of oil at a hundred dollars a barrel is not based on supply/demand pricing at present. the demand/consumption of oil is presently below supply and the current high price is nearly 50% higher than it would be because of speculation from cheaply available money from central banks. this money/credit which is available at .5 or zero % is being invested in energies and comodities driving fuel and food higher. these energy and commodity assets are safer than paper but this bubble will also burst after a spike.
the reactions of the tunisians, egyptians, yemeni's, jordanians, et all, of peoples living on very low wages and with high unemployment cannot survive these increased costs of food and fuel. where they had subsidies for basic living, they are being removed by i.m.f. dictate for loans.
the student protests against fees rising 200% as part of the austerity measures is just the beginning and the puppets in westminster know it.
forget getting any relief from our? government. how many times do you need telling. you are going to get austerity while the monied class gets bonuses and will tell you they earned/deserve it. value is being transfered from the 95% to the 5%. you are being robbed.

So what do you suggest we do? dunno

Would you support fuel discounts for remote areas?