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General election - 6th May

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Well at last we know the date. I will probably skip voting this year, I'm fed up with the lot of them and where I live is a very safe seat for the incumbent anyway.
Political views are private of course, but do other people really think it makes a difference nowadays which party gets in?
Plim dunno
Personally, I think if you don't vote then you forfeit your right to comment/moan/complain/debate/whinge about anything which subsequently happens.
I see voting as both a right and a privilege and I use it.
Not in any long-term meaningful way. They are all the same - politicians.
No, I won't be voting - there's no point. Yes, my vote counts - approx 1/40,000,000th. So, no not any actual value at all. Even if I break it down to the local constituency that must be a couple of hundred thousand minimum. (I tried to find out how big my local consituency is but couldn't find anything). So 1/200,000th. Still bugger all. So my vote may count but it doesn't count for much and certainly won't change anything.
As someone once quoted - it doesn't matter who you vote for, the government still gets in.
And the month-long Party Political Broadcast on all channels is going to be horrendous. We KNOW that half of them of them are liars, cheats and thieves. And the rest just haven't been caught - yet. But we will be inflicted with their false promises, never-going-to-happen policies and the rest of the crap they think will convince us to vote for them.
I'm going to have to spend the next 4 weeks with the TV remote in hand just to avoid their verbal pollution or else go and find something less boring to do instead. (I'm sure there was a TV show along those lines. :gigglesmile
Quote by noladreams
Personally, I think if you don't vote then you forfeit your right to comment/moan/complain/debate/whinge about anything which subsequently happens.
I see voting as both a right and a privilege and I use it.

Yes, not unreasonable - but one problem is if you disagree with half of what they all say and not the other half, then you could be endorsing something you don't agree with which could go wrong. If you abstain from voting, you are in effect making a point that you don't agree with much of what they are proposing. Sadly, this can also be taken as being that you are just not interested.
Plim :sad:
Quote by noladreams
Personally, I think if you don't vote then you forfeit your right to comment/moan/complain/debate/whinge about anything which subsequently happens.
I see voting as both a right and a privilege and I use it.

So who do you vote for if you are offered 3 who have all been proved to be claiming expenses fraudulently or other unacceptabel behaviour? The best of a bad lot is surely still a bad lot?
Not being challenging here - just trying to follow the logic.
Quote by noladreams
Personally, I think if you don't vote then you forfeit your right to comment/moan/complain/debate/whinge about anything which subsequently happens.
I see voting as both a right and a privilege and I use it.

Bang on the money Nola.
Of course voting makes a difference.
It is time for a change from the same old Labour, we are seing this now with all the strikes. The unions know this will damage Labour right on top of an election.
I for one hope that the Tories tackle immigration like they say they will. I hope they change the human rights crap, which they say they will.
Also all this PC madness that is currently doing the rounds. Get rid of that useless Harman woman, the one who wants everything and everyone to be equal....well she has to earn her money somehow.
You are correct Nola, don't vote then don't " comment/moan/complain/debate/whinge about anything which subsequently happens ".
Quote by foxylady2209
Personally, I think if you don't vote then you forfeit your right to comment/moan/complain/debate/whinge about anything which subsequently happens.
I see voting as both a right and a privilege and I use it.

So who do you vote for if you are offered 3 who have all been proved to be claiming expenses fraudulently or other unacceptabel behaviour? The best of a bad lot is surely still a bad lot?
Not being challenging here - just trying to follow the logic.
Challenge away - I feel very strongly about the whole voting/not voting thing.
I am a bit of an election geek. I read all the manifestos, I actively seek out stuff about my local MP and/or candidates and I have been known to go to meetings in my local area.
I make the best decision I can, given all the information I can base that on beforehand.
My point is that I actively engage in the process of voting because I feel I should.
Quote by foxylady2209
Personally, I think if you don't vote then you forfeit your right to comment/moan/complain/debate/whinge about anything which subsequently happens.
I see voting as both a right and a privilege and I use it.

So who do you vote for if you are offered 3 who have all been proved to be claiming expenses fraudulently or other unacceptabel behaviour? The best of a bad lot is surely still a bad lot?
Not being challenging here - just trying to follow the logic.
Well you could vote for the..............
GREEN PARTY. lol
Quote by noladreams
Personally, I think if you don't vote then you forfeit your right to comment/moan/complain/debate/whinge about anything which subsequently happens.
I see voting as both a right and a privilege and I use it.

So who do you vote for if you are offered 3 who have all been proved to be claiming expenses fraudulently or other unacceptabel behaviour? The best of a bad lot is surely still a bad lot?
Not being challenging here - just trying to follow the logic.
Challenge away - I feel very strongly about the whole voting/not voting thing.
I am a bit of an election geek. I read all the manifestos, I actively seek out stuff about my local MP and/or candidates and I have been known to go to meetings in my local area.
I make the best decision I can, given all the information I can base that on beforehand.
My point is that I actively engage in the process of voting because I feel I should.
:thumbup: That's what demopcracy is all about. biggrin
I simply don't believe anyone with mp after their name - by default. So there is no point my reading any manifestos cos my sole thought would be 'yeah right'. How can anyone filter out the occasional truth from the morass of lies? Like I say, I feel (for me personally) that voting is a waste of my valuable time.
Maybe we need an 'abstention' option then - as I've seen in countries where voting is compulsory.
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Maybe we need an 'abstention' option then - as I've seen in countries where voting is compulsory.

Aaaahhh, now that I don't think I would have such a problem with that. At least it would mean people would actively engage in the voting process when casting their abstention.
Quote by noladreams
Maybe we need an 'abstention' option then - as I've seen in countries where voting is compulsory.

Aaaahhh, now that I don't think I would have such a problem with that. At least it would mean people would actively engage in the voting process when casting their abstention.
In a way we already have it. They have to record the amount of spoiled papers.
My son found this. It introduces the policies without reference to the parties and you choose what matters to you. Then it tells you which party they are for.

I'll give it a go when I have time to read through them. (Still got the problem that I basically don't beleive they will carry them out - but hey ho).
I shall spoil my ballot paper....unless there is a B.N.P. or UKip candidate then I shall vote to keep them out
What a shame.. people deciding not to vote.
There are so many MP's not seeking re-election this time round which leaves the field wide open. You CAN make a difference!!
It is essential that people exercise their vote and vote wisely.
For my part, I have found out that I can still vote in UK Parliamentary elections on my last UK residence for up to 15 years so I shall be making my mark. Both V and I will be in the UK on election day and we feel it really important to exercise our right to vote.
I trust others with less distance to travel to their polling station will follow this example!
So many reasons to vote or at least to not vote for a reason.
I will vote and it will be for a candidate I dont know personally and dont trust. He happens to be a Tory but I will do it to help ensure the BNP dont get a toe hold in my little bit of kent.
Quote by Kaznkev
people died so that i can vote,its an affront to their memory not to use it,even tho i live somewhere they could stick a blue Rosette on a sheep and it would get elected.
in fact looking at some of our previous mps, i think they did!

I feel that they died to give me the CHOICE. If you are forced to vote regardless of the unsuitability of all candidates, it is no better than being forced NOT to vote. It artificially validates a system that doesn't necessarily work.
I still maintain there is no point voting for 'best of a bad lot'. It is a false validation.
Quote by foxylady2209
I'm going to have to spend the next 4 weeks with the TV remote in hand just to avoid their verbal pollution or else go and find something less boring to do instead. (I'm sure there was a TV show along those lines. :gigglesmile

Why Dont You it was called :-)
Of course its nonsense that people can't be bothered to vote.
Its everyone's right to vote and they should use it.
There's no excuse. Its a case of getting off your arse and doing it.
Quote by Kaznkev
people died so that i can vote,its an affront to their memory not to use it,even tho i live somewhere they could stick a blue Rosette on a sheep and it would get elected.
in fact looking at some of our previous mps, i think they did!

you could always move to virtually any other constituency in the North East where you can stick a red rosette on a donkey and they do get elected!!! wink
Quote by Max777
people died so that i can vote,its an affront to their memory not to use it,even tho i live somewhere they could stick a blue Rosette on a sheep and it would get elected.
in fact looking at some of our previous mps, i think they did!

you could always move to virtually any other constituency in the North East where you can stick a red rosette on a donkey and they do get elected!!! wink
i always wondered why the donkey had a red tail on pin the tail on the donkey :doh:
Hang on!
lp
I believe that what is called a 'spoiled voting paper' should be registered as a legitimate comment. A point of fact that should not be ignored.
perhaps an: ABSTAINEE/OBJECTER box could be ticked.
lp
You hang on trollop! poke
Quote by TheLovelyOne
Maybe we need an 'abstention' option then - as I've seen in countries where voting is compulsory.
Quote by TheLovelyOne
You hang on trollop! poke
Maybe we need an 'abstention' option then - as I've seen in countries where voting is compulsory.
yeah but, no but...
lp
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I believe that what is called a 'spoiled voting paper' should be registered as a legitimate comment. A point of fact that should not be ignored.
perhaps an: ABSTAINEE/OBJECTER box could be ticked.
lp

like he said.....as i said earlier i shall spoil my ballot paper
What can I say ?
One party promises to remove human rights legislation ?
It was this country that was instrumental in forming that same legislation, which is now incorporated in European law and cannot be arbitrarily removed without leaving the EU.
That same party also says it will "do something about immigration". Immigration from EU member countries cannot be controlled, neither can emigration: Others can come and you can go , and the government cannot affect that.
The unions are fighting for their members, which the supposedly labour government is not. The Rail, Maritime and Transport union is not part of the labour party and does not contribute to that party (more a lib/dem sort of union....don't know, don't care and what day is it).
A nice article in Spiked:
Voting has nothing to do with democracy,well its my legal right to decide whether to vote or about the expenses i was disgusted with the parliament during credit crunch instead of them uniting to help the nation they did the opposite,for that ill not be wasting my energy
Oh and when there was a report of the 14 British soldiers killed on the plane in Afghan nearly 90% of them walked out of parliament just after qestion time,they have proven to be selfish why should i care about voting!
Quote by Jewlnmart
Maybe we need an 'abstention' option then - as I've seen in countries where voting is compulsory.

Aaaahhh, now that I don't think I would have such a problem with that. At least it would mean people would actively engage in the voting process when casting their abstention.
In a way we already have it. They have to record the amount of spoiled papers.
Great point by TheLovelyOne :thumbup:
- latter comment would need to be fully publicised if it was to mean anything - but I might just do that this time!
Plim wink
Quote by foxylady2209
people died so that i can vote,its an affront to their memory not to use it,even tho i live somewhere they could stick a blue Rosette on a sheep and it would get elected.
in fact looking at some of our previous mps, i think they did!

I feel that they died to give me the CHOICE. If you are forced to vote regardless of the unsuitability of all candidates, it is no better than being forced NOT to vote. It artificially validates a system that doesn't necessarily work.
I still maintain there is no point voting for 'best of a bad lot'. It is a false validation.
Agreed, Foxy.
Plim :thumbup: