Is it me (I'd hope not) but is this guy just out to cause trouble in the education system regardless? The guy is continually meddling/tweaking and generally fecking up the entire system to the point where new policies/ideas are being rolled out/mooted on an almost daily basis.
Today he was mooting the idea of children in schools 10 hours a day but when asked about how it would be funded he simply stated he's had a chat with the chancellor and they'd agreed to leave education funding without any cuts...so thats alright then? Really? So, no cuts but an extra 21 hours per child (roughly) for children in school and no funding? He had no idea as to the impact of what ten hours per day may have on a child or their families but instead simply said it would be a good thing, not only that but he didn't give a guarantee that homework would then be a thing of the past but instead placed that burden on the individual head teacher.
He even thinks 'lines' are a good thing, jeepers!
I don't want my children in school 10 hours a day, I don't want them going to school or attending a school from the age of two and so it goes on.
The man is nothing short of a bumbling Mr Bean lookalike on a bad day menace.
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He had no idea as to the impact of what ten hours per day may have on a child or their families but instead simply said it would be a good thing,
Go on, enlighten me. What will the impact be?
Poor chap can't do right for being accused of being wrong.
It's about time the liberalists who fucked up education were brought to book by someone strong enough to stand up to them.
Kids need to be taught discipline and to have standards. There is nothing wrong in my view them being in school for 10 hours - perhaps them may even learn something for a change!
Many parents have indicated in the past that a longer day in school for their kids would suit the parents - breakfast clubs and evening activities abound.
Maybe he is responding to the 'modern' lifestyle. When I was a kid, my mother didn't work so she could look after the 6 of us. Modern liberalistic views of womanhood now insist that women are allowed to go out to work without a thought for the consequences on their offspring. This translates to so many of the other problems facing society these days. Kids left to their own devices; the 'school run' causing so many accidents outside school gates; obesity, driven by kids being fobbed off with funds to buy a MacDo rather than being fed properly which, itself, leads to hyperaction, ensuing boredom and eventual lawlessness because of lack of supervision...
Well, you did ask!
Sex God
Mr Gove surely is certifiable ? At least by the standards of people who have common sense, tho perhaps not by the people who make up the rest of the Gov.
Without massive recruitment of extra Teachers how could they provide 10 hour per day of education ? Ah, hang on, did this Gov not say it was OK for untrained people to become Teachers ?
Answers simple then, anyone on the dole queue, qualified or not, into the classroom with you !! Here's your chalk, get on with it !! What ? Your Polish and can't speak English ? No problem, we want kids to have a second language, your just what we need.
John
Without massive recruitment of extra Teachers how could they provide 10 hour per day of education ? Ah, hang on, did this Gov not say it was OK for untrained people to become Teachers ?
Answers simple then, anyone on the dole queue, qualified or not, into the classroom with you !! Here's your chalk, get on with it !! What ? Your Polish and can't speak English ? No problem, we want kids to have a second language, your just what we need.
John
Gnv or should that be Draco?
How will keeping children in school for an extra 3 hours a day teach them any more discipline or standards? As for learning something, just about every exam result day if figures are to be believed children and students are achieving more by way of academic results than ever before?
Many parents have indicated in the past that a longer day in school for their kids would suit the parents - breakfast clubs and evening activities abound. and many others will say different, me for one and in any case it's not about what is best for the parents is it? Or is it?
When you was a 'kid' I would hazard a guess that rickets was still prominent and where school corporal punishment (posh name for beating children that often were not yours to beat) was the norm, 'never did me any harm' I hear you say, pah! those days are over (thankfully) and whilst I'm with you on discipline and standards it is for me in the early years of a childs life (up to school leaving age) the parents responsibility to teach/instill discipline/standards in their offspring. I for one won't be raising a hand to my children's head and would happily slaughter any adult that dared too.
Funny that various Govt officials want parents to become responsible for some of their children's actions but onthe other hand attempt by policy to cede parental power to the likes of schools via extended hours.
Kids left to their own devices; the 'school run' causing so many accidents outside school gates; obesity, driven by kids being fobbed off with funds to buy a MacDo rather than being fed properly which, itself, leads to hyperaction, ensuing boredom and eventual lawlessness because of lack of supervision...
Obesity appears a common problem across the spectrum and isn't confined to just children and can you substantiate your claim that obesity in children is caused by the fobbing off of children by way of feeding them a mickeyD's?
Children across the decades have been left to their own devices, it's nothing new, the school run and accidents outside of school gates? *smiling* I get that bit but there would still be a 'school run' regardless of what time they finish, in fact I's hazard a guess and say it would be more-so on an evening cos at usual home times it's still just about light, with the extended hours it would mean dark and many parents wouldn't want their children trapping home in it.
Children's boredom leads to eventual lawlessness? In the minority maybe, 'appen it's always been the case, I'd say there is more now to amuse a child than there ever has been, recreation grounds full of nifty slides/swings other such stuff, skateboard parks, home entertainment, computers, swimming, cycle paths of which little existed in yonder years.
Lack of supervision? with growing school class sizes and a recent baby boom methinks the already over stretched teacher and their ability to supervise will be even more tested, hardly a good recipe for a child is that.
After-school activities, cross country, football, swimming, hockey, IT and whatever...great is all that but I want it under my jurisdiction and to be my children/family decision as to what they want to do, not one forced upon them by the state.
Also, Children should be children, cooping them up in school for longer than the average working day is not the way forward, 50 hours a week at school isn't actually fifty hours given they're up an hour before they go to school and an amount of time to get home. A day at school/readying themselves for school will hover closer to 55hours, add in a good 10 hrs min a night sleep makes that around 125 hrs out of a week of 168 hrs, remind me where the 'family' experience will fit in? the same 'family' that good ol Cameron and his bunch of munkeys keep extolling the virtues of.
You did indeed ask and I'm so very glad you did.
How will keeping children in school for an extra 3 hours a day teach them any more discipline or standards? As for learning something, just about every exam result day if figures are to be believed children and students are achieving more by way of academic results than ever before?
Many parents have indicated in the past that a longer day in school for their kids would suit the parents - breakfast clubs and evening activities abound. and many others will say different, me for one and in any case it's not about what is best for the parents is it? Or is it?
When you was a 'kid' I would hazard a guess that rickets was still prominent and where school corporal punishment (posh name for beating children that often were not yours to beat) was the norm, 'never did me any harm' I hear you say, pah! those days are over (thankfully) and whilst I'm with you on discipline and standards it is for me in the early years of a childs life (up to school leaving age) the parents responsibility to teach/instill discipline/standards in their offspring. I for one won't be raising a hand to my children's head and would happily slaughter any adult that dared too.
Funny that various Govt officials want parents to become responsible for some of their children's actions but onthe other hand attempt by policy to cede parental power to the likes of schools via extended hours.
Kids left to their own devices; the 'school run' causing so many accidents outside school gates; obesity, driven by kids being fobbed off with funds to buy a MacDo rather than being fed properly which, itself, leads to hyperaction, ensuing boredom and eventual lawlessness because of lack of supervision...
Obesity appears a common problem across the spectrum and isn't confined to just children and can you substantiate your claim that obesity in children is caused by the fobbing off of children by way of feeding them a mickeyD's?
Children across the decades have been left to their own devices, it's nothing new, the school run and accidents outside of school gates? *smiling* I get that bit but there would still be a 'school run' regardless of what time they finish, in fact I's hazard a guess and say it would be more-so on an evening cos at usual home times it's still just about light, with the extended hours it would mean dark and many parents wouldn't want their children trapping home in it.
Children's boredom leads to eventual lawlessness? In the minority maybe, 'appen it's always been the case, I'd say there is more now to amuse a child than there ever has been, recreation grounds full of nifty slides/swings other such stuff, skateboard parks, home entertainment, computers, swimming, cycle paths of which little existed in yonder years.
Lack of supervision? with growing school class sizes and a recent baby boom methinks the already over stretched teacher and their ability to supervise will be even more tested, hardly a good recipe for a child is that.
After-school activities, cross country, football, swimming, hockey, IT and whatever...great is all that but I want it under my jurisdiction and to be my children/family decision as to what they want to do, not one forced upon them by the state.
Also, Children should be children, cooping them up in school for longer than the average working day is not the way forward, 50 hours a week at school isn't actually fifty hours given they're up an hour before they go to school and an amount of time to get home. A day at school/readying themselves for school will hover closer to 55hours, add in a good 10 hrs min a night sleep makes that around 125 hrs out of a week of 168 hrs, remind me where the 'family' experience will fit in? the same 'family' that good ol Cameron and his bunch of munkeys keep extolling the virtues of.
You did indeed ask and I'm so very glad you did.
The man wants state schools to be like private schools - presumably with classes of 15 cherry picked children or is that not what he means by 'more like private schools'.
I wonder if he has actually seen children at the end of a normal school day, never mind a 10 hour day.
He is a buffoon, locked into his own view of education based on his privileged schooling.
I wonder if he has actually seen children at the end of a normal school day, never mind a 10 hour day.
He is a buffoon, locked into his own view of education based on his privileged schooling.
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The man wants state schools to be like private schools - presumably with classes of 15 cherry picked children or is that not what he means by 'more like private schools'.
I wonder if he has actually seen children at the end of a normal school day, never mind a 10 hour day.
He is a buffoon, locked into his own view of education based on his privileged schooling.
Oh dear.
You should actually read up on people you intend to slag off before doing so.
He did not have a privileged upbringing at all. He is from very humble beginnings.
Michael Gove is who he is today as a result of his own capability. His admission to Oxford was on his own merit.
And if you care to dig deeper, his upbringing after adoption at the tender age of 4 months was in a caring Scottish Labour supporting family.
I think you misjudge him.
Sex God
Considering the appalling levels to which our education system has dropped I think that an aggressive intervention is more than welcome.
Quote by GnV
The man wants state schools to be like private schools - presumably with classes of 15 cherry picked children or is that not what he means by 'more like private schools'.
I wonder if he has actually seen children at the end of a normal school day, never mind a 10 hour day.
He is a buffoon, locked into his own view of education based on his privileged schooling.
I think you misjudge him.
What a guy!
Quote by GnV
The man wants state schools to be like private schools - presumably with classes of 15 cherry picked children or is that not what he means by 'more like private schools'.
I wonder if he has actually seen children at the end of a normal school day, never mind a 10 hour day.
He is a buffoon, locked into his own view of education based on his privileged schooling.
Oh dear.
You should actually read up on people you intend to slag off before doing so.
He did not have a privileged upbringing at all. He is from very humble beginnings.
Michael Gove is who he is today as a result of his own capability. His admission to Oxford was on his own merit.
And if you care to dig deeper, his upbringing after adoption at the tender age of 4 months was in a caring Scottish Labour supporting family.
I think you misjudge him.
At no point did I mention his background - I did say he had a privileged education. Maybe you should read what is written?
PS I did say he was a buffoon?
Listened to him on Desert Island Disks, yes he had a different upbringing, not necessarily difficult as his adopted parents did a good job bringing him up . . . . but as a politian he has a chip on his shoulder, all his peers went to Eton or Harrow and he didn't, he has an attitude that he made it on his own merit everyone else can, easier done when you have supportive parents/adoptive parents.
But back to the subject, he isn't suggesting that pupils are taught for 50hrs per week. According to the BBC web site he is suggesting he wanted schools to be able to stay open longer for nine or 10 hour days. This would allow more time for after-school activities or to provide a place for children to do their homework. Which actually seems reasonable, although I have no idea how you could do it without additional resources / funding.
. . . but he's still a buffoon
But back to the subject, he isn't suggesting that pupils are taught for 50hrs per week. According to the BBC web site he is suggesting he wanted schools to be able to stay open longer for nine or 10 hour days. This would allow more time for after-school activities or to provide a place for children to do their homework. Which actually seems reasonable, although I have no idea how you could do it without additional resources / funding.
. . . but he's still a buffoon
Master of Sex
I don't really ever get involved in political banter and such on here..but for this one, all I have to say is I work at one of those insanely expensive private schools- let's call it "somewhere in Dulwich".. and trust me, even there where activities, clubs, after school care are in abundance, the staff are still overworked, minimally paid, and under appreciated by their SMTs. It's not an "ideal" template to follow. TAs especially! New found respect for them, they are doing so much for your kids than the class teachers themselves, especially in Early Years. And I do feel sorry for all those kids at pick up time, they are beyond shattered and sleepy and fed up. They are home by 5/ and in bed by 7-8. Back again the next day at 8 for Breakfast club!etc...
So state schools want to mimic private schools? Besides the kids, who's going to compensate the already worn out staff?
Luckily I am a contractor there so I am not a total slave to them in the week.
So state schools want to mimic private schools? Besides the kids, who's going to compensate the already worn out staff?
Luckily I am a contractor there so I am not a total slave to them in the week.
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and trust me, even there where activities, clubs, after school care are in abundance,
To say nothing of all those out of school activity clubs such as Swimming, Athletics, Dance Classe, Football, and such like that will most likely struggle or fail due to dwindling or non existent children in them
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So state schools want to mimic private schools? Besides the kids, who's going to compensate the already worn out staff?
That would require thought/planning and a good amount of money, something Gove seems unable to do or offer.
From my own limited experience of having 5 children, the majority of secondary schools i have been involved with open early for students to get breakfast and run homework clubs every day after but only till 4pm.
My sons brand new secondary school in which there are only 70 puils has an *unofficial* operiod 7, which is not compulsory but the students all stay for this lesson, its enrichment, they have fun, or can do their homework. the teachers remain unpaid for this period of the day and because its a new school they do so because of their dedication.
Personally for this to be rolled out nationwide, in every single school primary and secondary is unfeasible, the teachers wont stand for it and the teaching unions will be inundated with complaints from staff.
Leave it as it is, if individual schools think their pupils will benefit from breakfast clubs or after school homework clubs then let them decide. Fookin politicians make me sick anyway - rant over
My sons brand new secondary school in which there are only 70 puils has an *unofficial* operiod 7, which is not compulsory but the students all stay for this lesson, its enrichment, they have fun, or can do their homework. the teachers remain unpaid for this period of the day and because its a new school they do so because of their dedication.
Personally for this to be rolled out nationwide, in every single school primary and secondary is unfeasible, the teachers wont stand for it and the teaching unions will be inundated with complaints from staff.
Leave it as it is, if individual schools think their pupils will benefit from breakfast clubs or after school homework clubs then let them decide. Fookin politicians make me sick anyway - rant over
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and trust me, even there where activities, clubs, after school care are in abundance,
To say nothing of all those out of school activity clubs such as Swimming, Athletics, Dance Classe, Football, and such like that will most likely struggle or fail due to dwindling or non existent children in them
Quote by M1ssVery
So state schools want to mimic private schools? Besides the kids, who's going to compensate the already worn out staff?
That would require thought/planning and a good amount of money, something Gove seems unable to do or offer.
He's the Secretary of State. The minutiae of making it happen is not his job.
His job is to facilitate it through legislation
Sex God
Quote by GnV
and trust me, even there where activities, clubs, after school care are in abundance,
To say nothing of all those out of school activity clubs such as Swimming, Athletics, Dance Classe, Football, and such like that will most likely struggle or fail due to dwindling or non existent children in them
Quote by M1ssVery
So state schools want to mimic private schools? Besides the kids, who's going to compensate the already worn out staff?
That would require thought/planning and a good amount of money, something Gove seems unable to do or offer.
He's the Secretary of State. The minutiae of making it happen is not his job.
His job is to facilitate it through legislation
No !! His job is to have a workable idea, fully funded, with proven goals, which have backing from those who have to deliver said goals !!!
Mr Gove rolling out of bed one morning with a "whim" or an "idea" is just not the same thing at all.
John
Sex God
He might be Secretary of State for Education, however whilst he has loads of ideas he should learn to keep his mouth shut until he's actually thought them through and at least has an idea from his fellow Ministers and Officials as to whether they can be delivered.
Granted he can spout all he wants, but he's only safe until the next re-shuffle and/or Election.
In the interim he's just spouting more sound bites that probably will never be delivered, just like any one can do down the pub, park, etc.
Overall, he's a buffoon............though as SoS a potentially dangerous one.
Granted he can spout all he wants, but he's only safe until the next re-shuffle and/or Election.
In the interim he's just spouting more sound bites that probably will never be delivered, just like any one can do down the pub, park, etc.
Overall, he's a buffoon............though as SoS a potentially dangerous one.
